29% of USA: “Quake is Divine Retribution Against Japan”
- Categories: Japan, News
- Date: Mar 27, 2011 03:47 JST
- Tags: Christianity, Earthquakes, Mass Media, Religion, Statistics, USA
A poll of Americans reveals 38% consider the recent earthquake and tsunami a “sign from God” and a further 29% believe such disasters are actually divine punishment from God.
The report in question, based a random sample of 1,000 Americans and conducted by the Public Religion Research Institute, a secular research body concerned with religion and public policy:
Nearly 6-in-10 (59%) white evangelicals also believe that natural disasters are a sign from God. Only about one-third of Catholics (31%) and white mainline Protestants (34%) believe natural disasters are a sign from God.
A majority (53%) of white evangelicals believe that God punishes nations for the sins of its citizens–a view held by just 1-in-5 white mainline Protestants and Catholics.
The revelation that Ishihara is only as crazy as the average evangelical Christian is somehow less than surprising.
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>based a random sample of 1,000 Americans
>conducted by the Public Religion Research Institute
Random my ass.
"..Religion"
There's your answer. Sadly, as a Catholic myself, I'm extremely disappointed on the fact that even in this modern era, there are still unevolved religious idiots out here and there who still believe that every countries who got hit by a huge disaster signify that the people living there are sinful. Hell, back when my state got attacked by the Greg Storm in 1996, people actually screamed out that the disaster happened because we held an event where people dressed up their pet cats and dogs.
"Dogs and cats living together -- mass hysteria!"
Perhaps the just failed to read the part of the bible where Jesus himself says (paraphrase)"Just because something bad happened to people DOESN'T mean they were/are somehow more evil than you."(see Luke 13:1-5)
Im with u a 100% on that
(Deut. 5:9) You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me...
Not trying to be an atheist, but the Bible contradicts itself in this concept at least
Also, Ezekiel 18:20 NLT
"The person who sins is the one who will die. The child will not be punished for the parent’s sins, and the parent will not be punished for the child’s sins. Righteous people will be rewarded for their own righteous behavior, and wicked people will be punished for their own wickedness."
"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able, and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God."
-Epicurus
There is no God but what we create, how long will this lie take to come out?
Pray to Charlie Sheen or Chuck Norris - at least they are tangible.
Charlie Sheen bless Japan.
"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able, and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God."
-Epicurus
"Who quoted that guy must of forsaken sex then."
Sigh... Really? Americans are that stupid?
Sigh... Really? Are you that stupid to actually think this poll is a good representation of how the general American publics feel?
What a load of shit. Please don't include most Americans in this discussion. I can assure you the actual percentage of Americans that are represented by such a survey is so small it would be statistically insignificant. America as a whole is sick at what happened to Japan and sponsor everything our country could do to help.
Even if I'm not as pious as other fanatics, I'm sure no religion should ever deem "death" as "divine punishment" from a holy figure.
When something bad happens to "those other people", it's God's "punishment". When bad things happen to them, God is merely "testing" them. So very convenient.
you should read the old testament... god is kind of a dick
anon@5:53
you should live in the old testament, you'd understand his actions.
that is if he could live long enough to understand them
that is if he can read.
@06:04
Your statement could be interpreted in two possible ways:
A: One could not understand, unless they lived in the old testament
B: One could understand without living in the old testament, but you are distracting him from the point.
In the case of interpretation A, you don't either which makes your response a non-argument. In the case of B, you fail to produce the presumed proof, opting for a completely irrelevant point. Either way, a textbook example of the "red herring" logical fallacy.
Now that I think of it, there is another possible interpretation: you are full of shit.
anon@8:12
i guess you're in social studies class and just learned about the red herring technique. perhaps, it was on your word-a-day calendar, and you felt the need to use it.
the point is, i am always forthcoming about my opinions and intentions. trying to dissect sentences with the intend to find a small fallacy with another's logic is your small way of disproving someone's arguement.
now, to enlighten you a little, assuming this wasn't a one time visitor, when you read the ancient text in the holy bible, or watch documenturies on the discovery channel, you learn their values and what they consider important. we value our names less and our lives more today(exceptions exist). in the old times in jerusalem and the middle east, they cared more about their names and standing with god, and less about people's lives.
they did care about survival, but another man's life was up for grabs at the drop of a hat. the order to kill was normal and there wasn't much hesitation in the act. they were just more brutal times, then. since things are in heaven as they are on earth, justice from heaven reflected values of the past.
with the birth of jesus christ, so came another age. god's word was written and people were no longer given the honor of seeing him work in person. people were charged with walking by faith in god according to his word. he no longer performs miraculous signs to the masses to prove his existance. our ancestors failed to keep his memory alive, and now today's children are confused about the facts. people who believe/teach the word are granted miracles through prayer.
he will work through willing servants to get the word out and make believers, and in turn, they will be given riches in heaven, according to his standards, not ours.
sorry guys, i didn't mean to ramble, but ole' anon wanted to hear some wisdom.
Reread the 10th plague of Egypt.
Some would say "God" is evil or an evil "God" and your talking about recent monotheistic gods who are supposed to be just, in fact lots of gods inflicted wrath as if they were the "Devil" whether there was a hell or not, especially conveniently on a nation's enemy.
All that fucking matters is that these fucking bastards deserve to fucking die!!
Who decides on who should die!!? Fucking me, that's fucking who!!
These retarded little fucks are disgusting in their very being.
just you wait God.. just you fucking wait..
No, because irony doesn't mean "an amusing coincidence," which is what that would be.
It would be ironic if it turned out everyone they polled was an atheist on the basis that it would be the exact opposite of what would be expected.
Is it not ironic that the US is hit by a shitload of natural disasters every year.
Everything is God's will...
Katrina, the oil spill, finance crisis, Justin Bieber, apartheid, Nazism, the earthquakes...
>Justin Bieber
Pretty sure that falls under "divine punishment"
@HouseLife
stop with your worthless conjectures kid.
a conjecture that is not testable is merely a meaningless conjecture.
you can believe it if you wish, but your conjectures are in no way the 'truth'.
False. That being would have to be more complex than the universe itself, which means it would have to contain more matter/energy than it, which is physically impossible to exist within our universe. And anything that exists outside our universe is beyond our ability to detect, which means that you wouldn't know about it.
Either a "god" does not exist, or it exists, but the stories you've made up about it are completely unrelated to it's existence.
As for the rest of your pseudo-science bullshit, I assume false until you give me a respectable peer-reviewed source.
Unless you're Bill O'Reilly. Then God made the Sun and Moon, and makes it raise the tides.
Science stopped in the mid 18th century for Conservatives, apparently.
"fact that the moon was closer than it has been for something on the order of 50 years recently"
Just wanted to point out that this is wrong, the "super moon" was still two weeks away. At the time of the quake, the moon was on average a little farther away from the planet than usual.
The effect on the tides may be negligible, but I wasn't talking about the tides. The plates sit atop molten lava, and that is in constant motion. We don't fully understand gravity yet, but anyone with a brain can recognize that if one liquid can be affected by the mass of a celestial body, then MAYBE another liquid could as well? It's not like it has to be affected that much for it to be a determining factor.
Seismologists may have predicted the size of this, but they didn't know when. Perhaps then it's not a coincidence that the moon's proximity and this occurrence coincided. The reason they can't say for sure is because they have no way of measuring it, and they've said as much. Honestly my sense tell me it has something to do with it. There are multiple factors of course, but discounting the moon is the mark of ignorance. Ancient civilizations mastered many things and predicted things via the motion of the moon and the stars. They weren't wrong. We pretend we're more intelligent because we have all these special bits of equipment that can detect things, yet we as a culture have forgotten how utterly connected everything is with everything else. Something they knew well. It's because of that in part that I think we're so blatantly ignorant about so much.
It's probably just a coincidence. It's hard to believe that the Moon's gravity has an effect on solid substances like it has on water masses. Of course some occurs, but it is greatly minimized by friction and the sheer mass of the continental plates.
Besides, seismologists had predicted this particular quake for several years. They knew roughly where, but not when. In which case it's obvious that they didn't count in the Moon's position when making their calculations and the calculations were on the mark.
I agree.....but then again people say that Obama is Satan incarnate. And Justin Beiber is the Anti-Christ....LOLz
As for "natural disasters" falling under "divine punishment"; that is just plain stupidity. People (Americans) forget that over 50% of out cars and electronics come from Japan (Playstation, Nintendo Wii/ Gameboy / DS/ 3-DS, Computers, Laptops, cellphones, etc)
So yeah. It just shows you how stupid most Americans are. :(
A lot of them are just extraordinarily ignorant... I LOL'd big time when I saw the the white evangelical stats, sounds just about right.
Think you can pretty much sum it up them up with three terms: scared, pissed off at the world, and ignorant.
29% of USA: “Quake is Divine Retribution Against Japan”
Ya, and just about 30% of the country are right-wing Republicans too, coincidence? That's probably the base of the Republican party (cough... Tea Party) right there.
Dr. House imitator it's time for your happy pills
Not to burst your bubble, but scientists have deemed the increased effect of the moon on Earth's tides due to being closer as negligible.
The thing is, everything happens under the knowledge of higher spirit. The problem is the word 'God' is too unconsciously and connotatively assigned to 'a bearded dickhead in the sky.'
God isn't a human wizard, it's a power beyond that of human emotional logic. It does not think like a human in terms of vengeance and punishment. All religions agree to that when they're not being stupid.
Considering it's being proven time and time again these days that humans affect the electromagnetic field of the planet by our presence and actions, and that we are in fact all 'children of god' in the sense that we all are part of god based on most religions' perceptions, then yes, it's our own will subconsciously that this occur.
We could pay attention to the fact that the moon was closer than it has been for something on the order of 50 years recently, and considering the moon is what affects our tides, you can also easily imagine the rest of the planet would feel some gravitational pull greater than it usually does. So the tectonic plates probably felt a greater 'celestial pull' and therefore the circumstances aligned to give us a giant quake in a place that has been known for centuries as one of the worst places for quakes on the planet.
So by that logic, 'divine will' can fit, as the will of the celestial bodies was to come closer to earth and cause great gravitational force.
The latest development in the philosophy of religion:
The Problem of Bieber- how could an omnibenevolent, omnipotent, and omniscient deity allow the existence of Justin Bieber?
Kyon went on vacation.
God is NOT omnibenevolent, he is just (not the same thing at all).
God is not. And that's all, if you know what I mean.
Either god is not omnipotent, or it is malicious. Or *gasp*, it doesn't really exist.
"God is NOT omnibenevolent, he is just" Actually he is supposed to be both, cause he's a "holy" "all-loving" god of "justice".
@ Yoshii-kun: ROTFL! XD
Translator's Note: Just means smiting down infidels and Other People.
So they're claiming their "God" is a murderer...
How rich
No.
29% of people from some religious sect we've probably never heard of believe that God still smites people, even after the new testament said otherwise (Gets into the whole "Jesus died for our sins" bit, which means no more smiting till judgement day).
Probably the same special kind of people who don't put roofs on their houses because they believe God should be able to pee on whoever he wants to pee on.
and im sure that 29 percent is not probably well reputated religions like Catholic, Christianity, or Buddism etc.
Americans have so many different races, and thus so many Gods XD
so which God have punished them? LOL
"..and thus so many Gods"
Yep, and one those religion is called Biebermania.. *shudders
God must have wanted a pool when he started the Great Flood then.
I'm guessing that's 30% of "all" americans, not some sect. American's are really very religious.
While SOME Americans are "really very religious", I highly doubt you would find a true 30% that really believed this shit... I mean, look at the website... "Public Religion Research"... that sounds legit...
Wow ok KEY WORD here is evangelicals. NOT 29% of the US thinks this way.
99% of the US feels bad this has happened. the other 1% are former WW2 vets/older generations/or bat ass crazies like evangelicals.
umm, most americans don't give a rip about religion.
wrong so wrong about Americans..we aren't all religious nut cars I'm not religious noir do i wish ill upon the Japanese..totally wrong..we have been sending donations.aid etc,.,.to Japan ..we have had telethons to raise money to help the japan but i guess as always people want us to be the bad guys it really sucks.. because we are first to respond i aide when crap happens on this planey ..before you judge all americans upon false poll get to know what to hell your doing first!!
@06:31
That's the point of synonyms, they are interchangeable.
*ducks*
change religious to stupid and you are 100% correct.
Well, according to their own texts, this is hardly the first time He's committed mass-murder through floods.
I'd say it has more to do with 80% of people are pure idiots and never have a thought of their own.
if the surveyed the same people about the quake in japan asking if they thought it was divine retribution, i doubt even 5% would answer yes
You can't really call something like "god" a murderer. If I create something then it is my choice to fuck around with it in any way I like. Just saying.
then I would like to ask how they think of Katrina
He would have to be one, if their is no such thing as free will. So they cover it up as "you can't comprehend his magical work~" when in reality people are just dying and suffering for no special reason. If the devil was able to cause "natural" nature destruction, then the devil would have (too) much power, so they pin it on god, cause there no way it's just randomness!
sounds a lot like...
http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/nontheism/atheism/evil.html
lol god want more otakus MORE... man, what a disaster XD
fucken americans 100% fat and stupid
Hey stupid,
how does 29 percent of 1000 people being idiots make Americans 100 percent fat and stupid..??
He's just spewing hate because he's mad that he's actually fat and stupid. :'D
I'm American! :D I'm Naked, Clueless, and feeling goooooood!
you fuck us Americans when you cry fur help huh? lots of America haters here ..OVER A CRAP ASS FAKE POLL!