This is “Child Pornography” in Sweden…


Sweden’s dubious status as an enlightened nation is being further cast into doubt by the publication of some of the images it has been attempting to lock people up for possessing.

The original case revolved around the child pornography conviction of a Swedish manga translator, based on 2D artwork found on his computer.

His punishment was later reduced on appeal and he escaped prison altogether, but the court still insisted the art constituted child pornography.

The court refuses to make public the actual images it regards as “child pornography” so it is impossible to know how they are applying the criteria, but 10 of the initial set the child pornography prosecution was based on (including the merely “suggestive” banana picture) were subsequently judged as non-pornographic and released to those scrutinising the case.

The images in question:


But for a partly successful appeal, possessing or viewing any of these could have resulted in a prison sentence.

However, so tasteful are these loli nudes that they are barely a step away from the sort of fine art any gallery be desperate to hang on its walls:


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    Comment by Moeru
    11:19 26/03/2011 # ! Quality (+1.0)

    Speaking of Sweden, I read somewhere that Sweden is one of the most liberal countries when it comes naturism.

    So looking at 2D images of unknown age is illegal but having people of all ages gathering a nude beach is fine?

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    Comment by Achiuakuna
    12:58 26/03/2011 # ! Quality (+0.8)

    Liberals only legalize things they like. It's a myth that left-leaning countries are more free than right-leaning ones. They just dislike and ban different stuff.

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    Comment by LoliconSuspect
    16:36 26/03/2011 # ! Good (+0.4)

    Liberalism is about freedom. It's not some US "liberal" democrats left-wing shit.

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    Comment by Achiuakuna
    00:16 27/03/2011 # ! Good (+0.6)

    Yeah, because ideologies alone are just soooo amazing. Communism is supposed to make everyone happy and fascism is supposed to create a world with no hypocrisy or lies. Look at how those two turned out.

    Ideologies have no point if the government doesn't carry it out the way it's intended.

    Comment by Anonymous
    19:18 26/03/2011 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    I.E. Don't bash the ideology, just the people/government who claim to such a label and do the opposite. Conservatives would never allow 2DCP or nude beaches either anyway, nothing "conservative" about the two.

    Comment by Anonymous
    16:18 26/03/2011 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    "They just dislike and ban different stuff." I think right-leaning and pretty much any form of government does that.

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:29 27/03/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    which means that this Sweden's "leftism" is bullshit

    Comment by Anonymous
    22:18 26/03/2011 # ! Good (+0.6)

    it is. We have a lot of retarded people in power over here and it keeps getting worse.

    A few years back there was an official group taking care of "anti-racism" questions that attacked an icecream company for having a liqorice icecream called "nogger black", since their original icecreams are called "nogger". Apparently "nogger black" was racism.

    Comment by Anonymous
    07:30 27/03/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    The "Nogger Black" thing got laughed at by most people here in Sweden. It also turned out that the group that started the "Nogger Black" thing, "Centrum mot Rasism" (centre against racism), had ulterior motives.

    They were supposed to do a ton of stuff, like write reports to the government, collect statistics, hold events, and in general do stuff that decreased racism, and in the return they had gotten millions of government funding for years.

    Unfortunately, they hadn't done any of the things they were supposed to do. It turned out the only thing they had done was to rent a really flashy and expensive office space for their HQ, pay high salaries to the handful of "workers" for years, and paid for these "workers" lunches and expensive conference trips.

    So, when someone on the outside started to take a closer look at what the government actually got for all those millions and tried to find something tangible that the group had actually done the group panicked. Like little schoolboys that forgot to do their homework, they got creative in and invented the whole Nogger Black thing, as their "the dog ate it" excuse.

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:01 28/03/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    Nothing new. I can remember a few candy names here changes because of appearing racist.

    Comment by Anonymous
    15:07 26/03/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    Where did you hear that? We have some group of women which tries to get it allowed to bath without a bikini at public baths but they have failed miserably.

    Sweden - The country where women covering their whole body in a burqa or a niqāb is a sign of integration and integrity and where showing of certain harmless body parts is seens as tasteless, xenophobic and harmful.

    Comment by Anonymous
    23:11 26/03/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    Anon, your facts are wrong.

    Burqa or a niqāb are illegal to wear in public. We justified this morally with "You should not be allowed to hide your face".

    Because of the amount of people being impossible to identify. The police had some disturbing cases of stealing from med disguised as women too. They had to go.

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    Comment by Matetrix
    06:41 27/03/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    If you are talking about Sweden you got your facts wrong. I haven't seen a burqa in town myself but a few niqabs and they are perfectly fine to wear according to the law.
    Niqab meaning a full body covering except for the eyes so identifying them are impossible.

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:22 30/03/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    As a Swede who is "too" used to nude humans, most if not almost all of those images seriously piss me off in this context because there is nothing sexual about them, the chests look the fucking same as on boys and nobody has any issues with that. Some of the images are questionable, but that because of pose and such, and not because of nudity - for instance the first image. Actually, that one is the only one of these images I have any objections to.
    Would I want that image to be illegal? Fuck no. I would however look rather funny at someone who owns it though, and be less keen at letting any kids spend unsupervised time with that person, but that is about it.

    I am pretty sick and tired of this increasing sexualization of children that has been sweeping the world the past decade or so. Yes, prepubertal children are capable of having sexual emotions or feelings, that does not mean there is any reason to sexualize children - especially since they are ridiculously sexually immature and are not even a quarter as sexual as teenagers or adults.
    (By "children" in this post, I am mainly referring to prepubescent kids but even up to 14-17, as puberty starts early for some, late for some, so just because they have hit the age of consent does not necessarily mean they finished their puberty even though it is legal to have consensual sex with them.)

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    Comment by GodMan
    11:00 26/03/2011 # ! Quality (+1.0)

    You know I had to write an essay for college to argue about something, so I wrote about restricting freedom and included lolis in it too, professor supports me
    I feel sorry for that translator though T-T

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    Comment by Kyle8910
    20:54 26/03/2011 # ! Good (+0.6)

    I too wrote a paper about child pornography, but I knew they would have no idea what Loli was. I know many of you will not read this, but here are a few parts of it. Warning - Wall of text!

    Child Pornography Legality
    In the United States today, there are laws that have children as young as 10 being arrested and charged with sex crimes for things as simple as touching each other inappropriately. Teenagers are arrested and charged for sexual offenses for sending nude photos of themselves to each other. Thousands of people are labeled as Sex Offenders who would never rape anyone or molest a child. How can America allow such broad, sweeping legislation to make criminals out of so many? Examining the history of child pornography laws and policing dilemmas with them, reveals that they are ineffective because they lose sight of what needs protecting.

    The history of child pornography laws since 1977 has been influenced by unproven or strait-out false claims. The belief in a massive child pornography business began in the United States, England, and Scandinavia in the late 1970s (Rossen & Schuijer, 1992). The Netherlands in 1984 openly sold child pornography in porn shops. News reports about child abuse were considered small incidents and exceedingly rare. The Vrij Nederland newspaper often held undisguised classified ads for child pornography. In July 1984, this all changed. The police raided many porn shops and confiscated “eight cubic meters of child pornography.” It was also reported that 50% of their business came from child pornography sales. Both of these figures were found to be inaccurate. An organization called Defense for Children International (DCI) recognized by the United Nations continued to spread information about this theme. They claimed an annual profit of five billion dollars from child pornography business. They sometimes stated that it was 10 billion. A study done in 1986 by the United States Senate Commission on child pornography and pedophilia found that, “The most generous estimates of the value of foreign child pornography entering the United States — according to known seizure figures — would probably not exceed $5 million” (Rossen & Schuijer, 1992, para. 7).

    The study of boy prostitution done by Robin Lloyd in 1976 influenced much of this action. In his book, For Money or Love: Boy Prostitution in America, Lloyd claimed that 300,000 boys were involved in child pornography (Lloyd, 1976; Ost, 2009, p.159). Lloyd offered no evidence for this figure and he later admitted, “It was a working hypothesis which he had suggested to a number of experts to test their reactions” (Rossen & Schuijer, 1992, The Origin of the Myths, para. 1).

    This study began Judianne Densen-Gerber’s campaign against child pornography. Judianne Densen-Gerber was the director of Odyssey House, a chain of residential treatment clinics for drug addicts. She used Lloyd’s figures to generate her own. She deduced that if 300,000 boys were involved in child pornography, then 600,000 children would be the total (Ost, 2009, p.159). 1977 saw a major increase of news reports about child pornography, thus it became a topic of national interest.

    A member of the House of Representatives named John Conyers Jr. aided Densen-Gerber’s claims in court when she stated that her 600,000 children claim is likely twice that because Robin Lloyd’s discoveries could not accurately count all involved. According to Rossen and Schuijer (1992), Conyers reasoned that “American had not only one million runaways but another one million school drop outs.” Thus, he multiplied the statistic again to represent two million children. The law that passed that day was 401 for, zero against (Rossen & Schuijer, 1992).

    In 1986 the Meese Commission, initiated by the Reagan administration, concluded that child prostitution "have become highly organized, multi-million dollar industries that operate on a nationwide scale" (Rossen & Schuijer, 1992, The Spread of Rumors, para. 1). This conclusion came from previous studies that were also proven untrue. Even though studies from 1980 refuted all the evidence that claims child pornography was a mass market, the same statistics were used in the United States Senate, the United States Supreme Court, a Commission of the American Justice Department, the United Nations, and the Council of Europe (Rossen & Schuijer, 1992).
    This trend of over exaggerating the problem continues today. John Walsh of ABC ‘s Nightline, better known for the television show America’s Most Wanted, stated that 100,000 level three sex offenders are missing in America (“Big Registry,” 2010). The show To Catch a Predator hosted by Chris Hansen on NBC claimed there were 50,000 Internet predators online at any given time. Both of these claims are based on nothing and guesswork.

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    Comment by Atzumo Kayami
    08:26 27/03/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    Holy wall of text batman!!

    Comment by Anonymous
    04:31 28/03/2011 # ! Neutral (0)


    Comment by Anonymous
    09:34 27/03/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    There is also an assumption that child pornography is even a problem in the first place. It is not, anymore than adult pornography is.

    Comment by Anonymous
    22:41 29/04/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Go to google image search, set safe search to OFF, type in FAMILY NUDIST or TEEN NUDIST or CHILD NUDIST or NUDIST PAGEANT VIDEOS.

    Viola - millions of under 18 naked people. Just like in David Hamilton, Jock Sturges & Sally Mann photo books & films. Just like the scores & scores of aged 16 & 17 year old models in 1950s thru 1970s USA Playboy & Penthouse. Traci Lords at age 15 & 16 in Hustler, OUI, Genesis, Club, Penthouse in the 1980s. The hundreds of 15, 16 & 17 year olds in UK Mayfair/Mens World, German & Italian Playboy, Spanish Penthouse in the 1980s thru 2000s. All purchased by tens of millions of normal red-blooded men. These models & actresses ain't traumatized or commiting suicide.

    They'd been screwing & sucking for "free" otherwise if they hadn't modeled.

    Tens of millions of under 18's & their parents go to nude beaches or are Naturists on the lawn in Europe & Russia. All displaing their bodies to countless pot-bellied balding middle-aged men.

    Porn is just photons which once existed striking silver halide crystals deposited on ground up trees. Nothing more.

    Comment by Anonymous
    13:13 28/03/2011 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Depends. For drawings, it's mostly prejudice. Photography, though, is a problem. Not having maturity to take a life changing decision, exposure could later lead to acute embarrassment, trauma and, in extreme cases, suicide.

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:09 25/05/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    Um, it totally is. If it's not animated, how do you suppose it's made? Through sexual abuse. You know? It totally is a huge fucking problem.

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    Comment by gau
    16:50 26/03/2011 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    people always argue that there's a difference between porn and art form... there's an australian photographer encountered the same problem (forgot his name), even though the mother was present and had her consent during the photoshoot... i think the difference is at the audience not the artist itself

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:09 30/03/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    I have to agree.

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    Comment by TC-man
    10:48 26/03/2011 # ! Quality (+1.0)

    So this is the new witch-hunt of the 21st century!? Drawing with "2D children" made by Japanese are pedo materials, but when they are made by Europeans are arts (e.g.last pic of a Couture Thomas' painting)? So ridiculous it's racist. Go after the real pedophiles who harm/hurt real children next time, okay!

    Comment by Char
    14:54 26/03/2011 # ! Good (+0.6)

    These people behind the witch hunts are not members of the 21st century they only just recently got into the 19th century.

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:37 27/03/2011 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    Hit the nail on the head, Negotiator. That is basically the truth, the people who are so against 2D 'child pornography' and even actual child pornography are still stuck in the 19th century for the most part.

    Comment by Anonymous
    16:19 26/03/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    actually it wouldn't have been a problem in the 19th century as girls were married FAR earlier than today. Basically it was like the arab world today only in the 20th century child protection laws were put in place. Which BTW wasn't really only to protect the children but more on economic reasons for needing more higher educated workers because of higher requirements of machinery which made it neccessary to avoid early marriage and child labor.

    Comment by Anonymous
    16:28 26/03/2011 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Do people miss the part where it says that those pictures are actually decided non-pornographic by the court?

    Comment by Anonymous
    16:31 26/03/2011 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Ah. Yes. Yes I did.

    Comment by Envoy Loves You
    16:09 26/03/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    That's what I said some time back.

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:18 17/06/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    "the real pedophiles". Yes, because "real" pedophiles are the ones who hurt children, right? Just like "real" men are the ones who beat women, right? And "real" gays are the ones who rape other men, amirite?

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:19 17/06/2012 # ! Neutral (0)


    "the real pedophiles". Yes, because "real" pedophiles are the ones who hurt children, right? Just like "real" men are the ones who beat women, right? And "real" gays are the ones who rape other men, amirite? Die in hell bigot.

    Comment by Anonymous

    they're both unsavory
    just the loli artists cant draw for dick

    Comment by Anonymous
    13:31 26/03/2011 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    Bet you love to draw for dick.

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:07 27/03/2011 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    your fishing for pedophiles now? you are what you eat, therefore......

    Comment by Anonymous
    12:39 27/03/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    more like fishing for cat food

    Comment by Anonymous
    13:42 26/03/2011 # ! Drivel (-0.8)

    *reels in pedophile and throws him in the bucket*

    Comment by Anonymous
    22:22 29/04/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    Yeah it's like the "self-hating Jew" syndrome...
    whenever you point your finger at others you have 3 fingers pointing back at you.

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    Comment by The REAL Lamberto
    11:04 26/03/2011 # ! Quality (+0.9)

    Sweden's censorship laws are just as stupid as Australia's Classification Board rules. The Aussie's Board banned Mortal Kombat yet they rated a spanking game for Wii called We Dare a PG?!

    Well at least in Sweden, they don't have a idiotic politician like Ishihara, hopefully.

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    Comment by Tremere
    12:31 26/03/2011 # ! Quality (+1.0)

    Hide your Hideyoshi.

    Comment by Anonymous
    12:55 26/03/2011 # ! Quality (+1.0)

    In Sweden the age of consent is 14, but CP and loli are forbidden? What logic is that?
    I mad.

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    Comment by shiroki
    13:27 26/03/2011 # ! Quality (+1.0)

    They encouraging people to go out and get some real loli action.

    Comment by Anonymous
    23:04 26/03/2011 # ! Good (+0.6)

    You might notice that the guy was FREED at higher instance. And media just laughted their asses off at the lawmen.
    Unlike america, we have professionals in court; not random ppl as a jury). Thus there is an elitist culture about these people in lower court, comparable to Jocks.

    So don't take those people serious. I mean, PLEASE.

    Tell me any low-instance court that is not stuck up and dumb? Wanna go have a ruling in Texas or Saudi Arabia? yeewah.

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    Comment by rantingprophet
    13:14 26/03/2011 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    so what artists should all do is write a little footnote at the bottom, "We consent," or something like that

    Comment by Anonymous
    14:56 26/03/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    it's 15, not 14, just being nitpicky, sorry :P

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    Comment by Astray Flame
    14:25 26/03/2011 # ! Neutral (-0.2)

    Adding to what shiroki said, it also lowers the chance of a nation having a declining birth rate, so that they won't be like Japan, but more like America back during the baby boom.

    Comment by Anonymous

    Where the hell do you live that 15 year olds look ANYTHING like the children in those pics?

    Comment by Anonymous
    16:39 26/03/2011 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    Well, Canada's age of consent is 16, but photos and images representing underaged persons are also illegal.
    You can fuck with a 16y old just don't film it.

    Comment by Anonymous
    18:20 26/03/2011 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    In the UK you're actually allowed to film it for your own private enjoyment as long as you are living together. That's probably the only bit of common sense in the whole sorry mess of our "protecting the children" legislation.

    Comment by Anonymous
    12:12 19/06/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    From what I've been able to gather, the main reason that anything pornographic in Canada requires you to be 18, while age of consent is 16, is because we're too close to the US. They'd have to change all the labels to sell their porn to us (Oh No!), which would cost them a lot, which in turn would cause there to be companies that would simply not bother to ship anything up here. Or at least charge us 5$ more for everything to offset the 10 cent reprinting cost.

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    Comment by Jash
    14:36 26/03/2011 # ! Quality (+0.8)

    We also have Azumanga Daioh as MA 15+ (Next is R 18+)
    Australia needs a new rating system with less idiots.

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    Comment by The REAL Lamberto
    14:52 26/03/2011 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Really? If that's true, then Aussie's rating system is an even bigger joke than I thought.


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    Comment by Jash
    16:34 26/03/2011 # ! Neutral (0)


    Btw I am Australian.

    Comment by Anonymous
    20:42 26/03/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    Even after following that link I refuse to accept that this is genuine and not someone trolling... <_<

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    Comment by Jash
    09:20 27/03/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    Sorry anon but I cant believe that a link to a actual Australian store website that shows the rating is trolling or fake in any way, but if you want a little bit of detail:

    only one episode is rated MA but it makes the whole series seem as it is MA, the episode is ep 4, the pool episode, the reason it is MA is because of Kimura being a pedophile, He dosen't even do anything he just wants to observe them in the pool. so it really doesn't deserve a MA rating but for some reason it has one.

    Also I just found out this it is MA 15+ because: "Adult themes, Coarse language, Low level violence, Sexual references"
    another link to the actual madman website which distributes anime (slowly -.-) to Australia.

    Comment by Anonymous
    15:01 26/03/2011 # ! Good (+0.8)

    No, but we have a government filled with idiotic politicans who's only main concern seems to be to demand new legislation for surveiling the population (for no apparent reason than the 'fear of terrorists'), being the world's charity board number #1 and using the mainstream media to successfully harrass anyone who questions the status quo. Sweden is somewhat becoming a banana republic, highly due to the fact that no matter what you vote on (left/right) they all practically have the same set of values (left) with only slight variations. The politicans in Sweden is a joke.

    Meh, I hate my country.

    Comment by Anonymous
    08:05 27/03/2011 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    The problem is that no politician dares to touch the child porn laws to make them more liberal. It's a political suicide that easily can be spun by the opposition to give some really really bad press.
    The whole case was pretty much ridiculed by both right and leftists newspapers, columns, debates, and similar here in Sweden, pretty much everyone in Sweden agreed that the CP law in it's current form was stupid and to broad, since there was no victim there should not be a crime either. The only one disagreeing was the justice minister, who thought that the pictures was a crime to "children in general". How books like Lolita (which is legal in Sweden) were not a crime against the same children she never gave a answer to.

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:33 26/03/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    well, at least you've got some really pretty sights there.

    Comment by Anonymous
    18:23 26/03/2011 # ! Good (+0.6)

    Not to sound rascist... well, maybe a bit. But after the influx of people originating from other countries the sights are getting worse.

    Comment by Anonymous
    23:06 26/03/2011 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    1/10 of our population is immigrants.
    1/5 of those have jobs.
    1/10 of first said are criminals.

    And people ask why we are so racist. Heh.

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    Comment by Saten
    10:04 27/03/2011 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    My ass is illegal.

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    Comment by Renzo
    02:20 27/03/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    Is there also criminals in Native Sweden ?

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    Comment by Tsukasa3
    07:14 28/03/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    You are going a little bit to far. But to be honest I don't like it either. This crime case is very ridiculous.

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    Comment by Tokeijikaku
    13:27 26/03/2011 # ! Good (+0.4)

    Yes we have, we have Beatrice Ask, a moralcunt minister of justice, pushing most of this. She's the living embodiment of parental paranoia.

    Comment by Anonymous
    22:15 26/03/2011 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    Our censorship laws arent actually that bad, but its gradually getting worse with all the trash people we have, idiocy is the most common state of mind in this country and i hope i can find a country better suited somewhere on this planet.

    Our politicians are mostly corrupt fuckups that should be shot in a back-alley, then again its an occupation like any other i suppose. Only in it for the money, or so it seems.

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:11 27/03/2011 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    Sounds like almost every country ever.

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:26 27/03/2011 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    which proves there isn't just a few banana republics, but rather a whole banana planet

    Comment by Anonymous

    ehhh maybe you don't masturbate while watching these photos, maybe you have a girlfriend and you're not a wacko (i hope so like many your-positive-commenting-friends). But some men have a problem with this. But you don't understand and you will not understand it. Am I right? For you of cuz not. Just enjoyed by watching these photos, bro. But just look out for your girlfriend - she is entering a room!

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