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Epic Games has dismissed the 3DS as being unable to run its widely used Epic engine, whilst the 3DS has been unfavourably compared to the iPod Touch, making Nintendo’s upcoming handheld look increasingly underspecced and overpriced.

Epic Games have said they do not think the 3DS can manage the Unreal engine:

No, it’s below our [minimum specifications], from what we can tell. We don’t have a 3DS, so there’s no way for us to verify that, but everything we’ve been led to believe is that it’s below our min-spec. You couldn’t do a game that looks like [Epic Citadel] on it, for example.

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Like I said, we really don’t know enough about it to make a formal comment, but I think if they considered that our engine would be good on it, they would have probably talked to us about it.

The Unreal engine is used widely on modern console and PC games, and a new version compatible with Apple’s iOS has already impressed many in the form of the “Epic Citadel” technical demo:

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Compare to the graphics offered on the 3DS.

Modern smartphones and tablet computers now look an increasingly viable mobile gaming platform -
one which conveniently sidesteps the resistance of gamers to mobile gaming devices not reliant on physical media.

Others have pointed out that, aside from its much hyped 3D display, the 3DS is even lagging an equivalent iPod offering from Apple:

CPU
iPod: Apple A4 1GHz
3DS: ARM11 266MHz x 2

Memory
iPod: 256MB
3DS: 64MB

Storage
iPod: 8GB, 32GB, 64GB
3DS: None (2GB card included)

Price
iPod: 20,900 yen
3DS: 25,000 yen

Fortunately for Nintendo, Apple’s hatred for games is only rivalled by their hatred for porn – although Google’s highly successful Android smartphone platform is another story.


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    Comment by Anonymous
    16:08 10/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    You cant compare a Gameing Handheld to a phone "THEY ARE TWO DIFFRENT THINGS!!!!!"

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:24 10/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Stuuupid FIL-thy humans... Don't you know that it's the games that make the machine sell? NOT the graphics? Or 3D capabilties? Sheesh..

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    Comment by CLC
    15:50 10/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    lol, engines.. whocares about that?
    i certainly dont want realism in my handheld games

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    Comment by Icy-nee-san
    14:28 10/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Oh Artefact, your so good at twisting words that you should be a politician or something

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:40 10/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    It's Nintendo,duh.

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:42 10/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Truly apples and oranges.

    What good is a "tech demo" that isn't an actual game? Go ahead and watch your purty tech demo while I play actual games that are fun. No one is buying a 3DS to watch tech demos.

    Auto win.

    Comment by Anonymous
    19:38 10/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Speaking about apples and oranges...

    The article is talking about the technical capabilities (ie which one can do better graphics), while you are talking about fun gameplay.

    Auto fail.

    Comment by Anonymous
    19:01 10/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    yer all overanalizing shit. emphasis on anal.

    this is how its gonna go.

    whichever one has "homebrew" will be king!

    PS1, PS2, 360, gameboy(all) till nds and psp(mostly, so far, so many damn FW)

    its just how it was, it is, and it will be.

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    Comment by GodOfSpeed
    18:59 10/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    So what? The 3DS has tons of games that will outmatch iPhone's games completely.

    Why do people want to compare the specs of the 3DS and iPhone? It's useless if iPhone games are crap anyway.

    Apple think they have more games than the PSP and NDS and they can talk shit about Sony and Nintendo, but the all gamers know that iPhone games suck, at least 95% of them suck.

    Comment by Anonymous
    18:49 10/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    There's no Love Plus on any Apple product, so fuck you, Apple and Epic Games.

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:42 10/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Here's what I figure:

    Apple's iTouch/iPhone needs the kind of power it has, as far as hardware is concerned, because it has to multitask. All the time. Applications, browsing, etc. The 3DS doesn't need as much because it's a dedicated gaming handheld: it's only working when you power it on, and during this time it is using everything it has to do what? Run the game software.

    Also, you ever tried gaming on a touchscreen by itself? Unless we're talking tilt controls or simple tapping, I got one word for you. Mushy. You're better off syncing a PS3 controller to the iPod using Bluetooth, and honestly, who the hell's gonna do that with such a tiny-ass screen? What're you gonna do, lay it on a table? Buy an iPad? Because that's WAY over $300.

    So, yeah. iTouches/iPhones CAN game...but you're probably better off with a dedicated handheld.

    Comment by Anonymous
    18:27 10/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Who the fuck cares about Unreal Engine?

    Comment by Anonymous
    18:41 10/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Only 266MHz at this time and age? Very disappointing Nintendo...

    Comment by Anonymous
    18:48 10/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Since when do graphics matter?

    Comment by Anonymous
    18:46 10/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Whatever. Apple is run by nazis and wannabe-ninjas. So let the 3DS have some problems with Unreal-Engine. It will still eat Apple's heart out.

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    Comment by PrinceHeir
    12:11 10/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    lol unreal engine was shit to begin with, it would be cool if developers can get a engine as cheap as unreal but more versatile and powerful.

    iphone games? no thanks..

    Comment by Anonymous
    11:41 10/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    AND NOTHING OF VALUE WAS LOST

    Comment by Anonymous
    11:56 10/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Nice epic demo, I look forward to playing Unreal Engine games on the iPod Touch for 5 minutes between charges.

    Comment by Anonymous
    12:06 10/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    I'd rather not fry my ear after playing a game then immediately having to make a call. Sorry, Epic, but you have to stay making PC and console games.

    Comment by Anonymous
    12:30 10/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    OMG! Nintendo's new device isn't made for hardcore graphics-oriented games! Nintendo sucks.

    GET OVER IT. Nintendo's DS dominates the handheld market and it's graphics are shit, because it offers the games the casual-gamer majority want to play, not the games the hardcore-gamer minority play. And that's perfectly fine.

    Comment by Anonymous
    07:02 11/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    No, the problem is that Ninendo uses hardware that is much cheaper and yet it prices it higher than a higher spec device. You know, just like Apple's desktop and laptop computers. It's kind of ironic.

    Comment by Anonymous
    13:36 10/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    I don't bout you guys. I buy a phone to use as a phone, and a portable system specially if by nintendo to strictly play games. That's all to it. Stop comparin them together.

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    Comment by Barbarian of Gor
    13:45 10/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    So, they'll not be able to run a...10 year old engine...? But they'll sell it at the price of a "Netbook" that'd have a mega bigger screen that COULD?

    I imagine "Failboat" on the level of "Virtua Boy" aka "My Eyes! They Bleeeeedddddd!"

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    Comment by Anonymous
    13:31 10/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    As long, we have the powerful hardware without buttons, everything is great since we just want to show you our crappy games with "beautiful graphics"?

    This just shows more how new games tend to suck..

    Comment by Anonymous
    12:34 10/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    What's all this fuss about Unreal engine? Why are so many game devs so lazy these days that they have to use engine created by another studio?

    GOOD developers make their own. Then they tailor it to whatever platform they will use to make up for its flaws or advantage. If Epic can't run their oh-so-great engine, fuck them. Other studios who used to rely on Unreal engine need to grow the fuck up and make their own shit.

    Comment by Rashid
    02:58 11/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    u know how difficult is create a proper engine? time, money, resources, etc.

    sadly game market is in a corner where only graphics matters. that's why lazy devs prefer to buy/license engines

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:50 11/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    The Zune HD which has a tegra costs less then the 3DS even though it has several gigs of flash storage.
    The Tegra 1 chipset is only $25 in volume quantities.

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:01 11/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    They're developers themselves. 'Difficult' isn't a really good excuse when we're talking about quality. It's about as arrogant as when Motomu Toriyama said that FFXIII can't have townz because they're 'difficult' to make when other RPGs with much lesser budget has all the elements it lost.

    When you don't create your own shit, you won't know its workings inside out, and so you can't fit it to your needs when you need to, such as converting to different platforms. It's that simple.

    Capcom had the right idea by making their own engine(MT Frame). Probably why Resident Evil Revelations is being made on the 3DS with graphics that looks really close to current console's quality.

    Comment by Anonymous
    12:30 10/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    fuck you epic games, we dont need western developer for handheld console.
    3DS can run MT framework flawlessly anyway, so i dont fucking care about unreal engine.

    Comment by Anonymous
    13:15 10/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    It can't run the Unreal engine? Oh god. OH GOD! Oh geez, oh MAN! Nintendo is doomed I tell you! DOOOOOOOOOMMMMEEEDDD!

    Comment by Anonymous
    13:17 10/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    the hell??
    ARM11 266MHz 2x is Nokia N95's processor @__@
    it already lagged on my N95, so i wonder.. did they made a tweak over that ARM11 processor for 3DS???

    Comment by Anonymous
    13:32 10/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    You forgot, that Symbian OS sucks. Well the new ones anyways.

    Comment by Anonymous
    07:37 11/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Yeah, it sucks so much that the new phones can record and play 720p videos better than any other phone, run Flash, and handle 32 million polygons per second. With an ARM11 chip.

    Comment by Anonymous
    21:22 10/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    The 3DS has a long battery life philosophy in its design choices. The iPhone does not.

    Comment by Anonymous
    22:04 10/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    you, sir, are either a fan-boy or an utterly misinformed idiot

    Comment by Anonymous
    22:03 10/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Nintendo has a long story of underpowered, flawed but succesful and profitable hardware. why they stop ?
    especially when you have legion of fanboys chanting that the wii has been intendedly made low spec so you can enjoy the gameplay more xD

    Comment by Anonymous
    23:24 11/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Remember how everyone thought the orignal DS was gonna tank, compared to the superior processing power of the PSP? Remember how that didn't really happen, and UMD went nowhere?

    That's what this is reminding me of. Nintendo's handhelds have ALWAYS been weak (compare: Gameboy to Game Gear, Gameboy Color to Neo Geo Pocket), but the proof is in the pudding.

    I don't care if the 3DS doesn't run Unreal, because I don't need Unreal to play a good game. Haters are going to hate, I'm gonna go play games.

    Comment by Anonymous
    19:17 29/01/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    remember what people said with HD vs BluRay? they thought what happened with beta disks vs vhs was going to repeat. but it didn't. times change and people wants and needs change.

    Comment by Anonymous
    22:57 11/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    I don't even own an iPod Touch, but from looking at all the apps and games on there I'm... not particularly impressed. I mean the specs are good, but if I have the money for either a 64 gig or a 3DS and a Nano, I'm going with the latter. I am not saying that the iPod has awful games(some look good), but overall they don't capture my attention, and I was sold on the 3DS after they revealed a list of games. I know people that don't use an iPod for music even, i mean WTF? That isn't a part of this I just find it aggravating.

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    Comment by Mr. Dragon
    12:23 11/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    I wouldnt take anything coming from Epic a direct raival of nintendos to seariously, aswell the Iphone still dosent have anygmaes worth drolling over, i already see 5 I cant wait for on the 3ds,

    Kid ikarus
    Resident evil
    Metal gear solid
    Zelda and StarFox!

    And dont forget about the 3d with no glasses, its like magic!

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:03 30/01/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    Magic that only harm the user's eyes...thank you

    And you are only spouting with this the tiny fact of ditching more third party support and going only first?

    Sony won already.

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    Comment by Rape Nuts
    08:38 11/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Are people really stupid!? They NEVER said that they will never develop games for the 3DS. They just said that based on what they believe, the 3DS may not be powerful enough to handle the Unreal Engine. They also stated that they'll give it a test shot before making the final word.

    People overexaggerate the smallest of words when nothing was official. If graphics are really that important, then the first step is to look at the graphics full of words they probably misinterpret. In other words, know how to read.

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    Comment by Kuha
    10:42 11/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Neither the Wii can run Unreal Engine 3, nothing new.

    So this for me looks like major attention whoring... Talk bad about something popular everyone is talking about and instant news!

    Comment by Anonymous
    06:59 08/06/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    So, wait, if they love the iPhone Whatever so much, why not pay the triple premium contracting price to make games for that? If they want to waste time and money, then don't make games for a game company.

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:24 11/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Sure are a lot of nintendo fanbois on this thread. The 3DS has far inferior specs vs the ipod touch, yet it's more expensive. And Apple are not well known for low prices either. Yet it's okay for nintendo to overprice the 3DS just because of reputation? I guess if you're desperate for love plus, you'd pay anything.

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:34 13/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    And, from a marketing standpoint...this is bad?

    "Fanboi" or not, Nintendo knows its consumer base and will act accordingly. They're still a company, after all.

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:06 11/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Ipod CPU is also a custom ARM chipset

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:39 11/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    I just saw the video of this "epic citadel" in youtube and the graphics are awesome. I saw the ipad can have very nice details, but the controlls make me feel unconfortable. The iphone looks a little more easy to control, but apparently have a little lag in it.

    But now, we have only seen the citadel, nothing more than graphics in the enviroment (and the unreal engine is for make enviroment, not characters or gameplay), what about the gameplay? its gonna be a gameplay? the characters? its gonna have a story? it will have pvp? its gonna be like surf with the avatars in the xbox? Maybe im a little blind or something, but the graphics look almost like in wow and what will make it diferent from other games or what category it will fall? how much will cost at month? its free?. This is really earlier to said anything just for the enviroment.

    If they have the tecnology to make graphics like this why they havent make smaller the xbox or the play station? (smaller like the game cube or the wii at least) and make them more cheap?, why the next psp only untill now will have touch screen? it gonna be like an ipad or iphone? the psp3 its gonna have 3D? (wich will come in another 5 or 10 years?) Its gonna use glasses or the screen?, it will be like the 3DS when release? (touch screen, analog stick, 3D graphics with on/off slide). There are several questions if some one sits and start to think a little. If some one knows the answer of this and the others i forget, please response.

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:17 11/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Let me say it... 3DS is overpriced. 300USD for half an iPhone. There's no way to deny this, because it's true. Converting 25000 Yen to USD is 300. But the Nintendo fans say it's not true even when it's official.

    Comment by Anonymous
    23:55 10/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    End of the world. No rehashed FPS #12387 on the 3DS. Let me go get my hankie.

    Comment by Anonymous
    22:28 10/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Despite its "inferior specs", I'd bet that the 3DS will still get all the actual games, while 95% of the iPhone releases will continue to be glorified Flash games. Specs are only one part of the puzzle - you can't release high budget games for a system where the majority of the userbase expects them to cost like, $10 at most.








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