“What Will Befall Manga If One Piece, Naruto & Bleach End?”
- Categories: Manga, News
- Date: Sep 10, 2010 21:46 JST
- Tags: Bleach, Ken Akamatsu, Kodansha, Naruto, One Piece, Shonen Jump, Shueisha
Top mangaka Ken Akamatsu has stated his misgivings about the reliance of the manga industry on the shonen holy trinity of One Piece, Naruto and Bleach, and what would befall publishers if these series were to conclude.
After describing some of the worsening financial results posted by top manga publishers, he describes his uneasiness about the situation:
It’s all pretty dire, although manga won’t drop dead just yet.
However, they are relying on the bubble-like sales of a few titles – we have to wonder what would happen if in 3 years this bubble were to pop.
For example, will Jump’s One Piece, Naruto and Bleach continue for 3 years? We can’t really predict what will happen to them (and even if the publisher wants to continue them, the authors aren’t always able to).
The recent conclusion of the hugely popular Full Metal Alchemist brings this issue sharply into focus – not all series can be expected to continue indefinitely (Naruto in particular appears to have an eventual ending planned), and blockbuster successors for those which conclude have so far been conspicuously absent.
Other mangaka have complained the industry is not developing new talent – a particularly precarious state of affairs when considered in conjunction with reliance on a few blockbuster titles which could end with no replacement in sight.









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Blech and Narushit need to end already. One Piece won't end for another 10-20 years; they're starting Part 2 now after over 10 years lol.
I'll give my two cents on the so called Big 3.
Starting off with Naruto, well I was one of those people who was incredibly annoyed seeing how much spotlight this anime received. An anime about ninjas, who do nothing ninja like? Well, I took the time to watch it. The first few episodes were incredibly bland, though it picked up like what was it, 20, 30 episodes in maybe? It got interesting, but then it went to fillers... So I skipped 100 episodes, litterally 100 episodes, and it got back to the plot, after the short span of plot, I skipped another 100 episodes which led me to Shippuden. This is bad story telling. And even the main plots were simple at best. Though I'll admit entertaining, but it didn't live up to the hype, an wasn't very memorable.
Bleach: Well Started off okay, had some simple fillers, pretty bland, it kicked off much like Naruto, a bit faster, kept me hooked for about 50 episodes, then drowned me in fillers. Got back on track and then in the middle of the main plot it took a 30 episode filler break.... granted that was close to two years ago, and now I've heared they are still where I left off.
One Piece: Well I can't comment much, I won't auto say this is bad, I will however say the few random episodes that I have seen have been bad. And the art style didn't appeal to me. And I can give this excuse if I wish. OP isn't the only original art style out there. Look at Kaiji, Claymore, Katanagatari. All incredibly unique art design in my oppinion. Though to me OP's looks childesh, maybe thats why people who have never read or seen it say that? But again, I won't say it's terrible, because I havent seen it.
All in all, the Big 3 have some good points, but if you condense the big 3 into a 100 episodes, instead of Never ending, with more crap episodes then good ones, it's going to develop hate. And as long as the big 3 exist far better animes, with much more developed plot, or unique art, or even somethig we possibly havent seen before will be overshadowed. The big 3 are not terrible, they just are simply not great, and far better titles exist. Try broadening your horizens a little, and you will find the reasons why the big 3 are detested and loved at he same time. Disliked by the usual bland, and might I add predictible plot. But enjoyed because of the action, and in terms of DBZ The epic screaming power ups that make you feel like you just jizzed becase of how epic it is, feeling it gives out. But in the end I hope they die, and something original comes out, that won't release fillers, and will simply pause, and then put out epicness. Example of such an anime is Darker Than Black.
On Manga, I actually hardly read manga... unless I have the book in hand, so if you feel like telling me to read the manga's send me your collection :3 and I will. Other wise the above was anime wise only.
Well I still haven't seen a worthy manga currently in WSJ which can replace One Piece, Bleach, Naruto and even HXH (when not in hiatus lol). I mean what did we get, Psyren? That shit's a piece of crap. We got Bakuman which is descent but I doubt it'll be long term. Gintama yoyo's and same with Reborn which is worse than Gintama by a large degree. Honestly I'd be afraid if Jump and Shuisha can't find another hit cause when those three go (especially One Piece) they're going to have to fill a hole both in WSJ and financially.
Plus to those saying it'll be better if we don't have "repetitive and redundant" long manga. Well guess what, these long ass manga bring in more dough than any other manga especially short ones can ever dream of. Financially they are a greater asset even though some originality is sacrificed (though in alot of cases short mangas can also be pretty unoriginal and repetitive).
fairy tail is still out and bakuman etcc
He's a bit bitter that Negima isn't considered any of the big few.
The industry will survive.
Bleach should have ended after Rukia was saved, everything after that is absolute trash. Way to milk a series there, buddy.
They're not trash, you're just an asshole.
hahaha, asshole? Oh let me guess, you have [pictures of them on your walls and you watch it with your lil sister after school?
Get over it this shit should of ended a LONG ass time ago.
Fuck you!
Actually it became much more interesting with the inner hollow thing. Much better than before her rescue. That being said, it should wrap up.
Screw bleach! Make Yoruichi have her own series that's why people watch that show!
If Yoruichi was the only reason people watched the show then no one would like it.
As a Yoruichi Fan Boy, I must agree with you. lol :D
LONG OVERDUE. End this repetitive shit. and yes i watched them and yes they were great at first then after like 200 episodes i was just fuck this god end it please.
END THIS RETARDED RETRED OVERHYPED OVERRATED CRAP!!
lol agreed. they are overhyped. and yes WAYYYYY too long. Just end it. your dignity is LONG gone and you cant keep beating a dead horse.
Well you can but then your just an asshole.
Yes because whatever comes after will be so much better. That's part of the problem here numbnuts. You either do a DBZ type manga that sells, or you don't seem to sell. Sad as that is.
What? there are plans for these manga titles to end eventually? I mean I've never read or watched either of them, but it sure would be weird if they all disappeared all of a sudden. Wait, I meant to say refreshing not weird.
It's funny, the longest running series is the one never mentioned. Instead, it's always about those three. And who really gives a crap about those three, anyway?
Ken Akmatsu should shut his fucking trap and worry about his own manga. He's milked Negima for all it's worth and killed Love Hina, by continuing the series long after it should have originally ended.
I still love Negima and buy the LE sets, so it's awwwwwwwwwwwwwright.
On a more serious note though, I never did get into Bleach, Naruto or One Piece as seriously, the one failing of epic manga and Anime is that they alienate new comers and usually cater to already existing fans.
eichiiro oda, the author/mangaka of one piece, is actually considered a savior of the manga industry..
he(or someone) figured that people like supporting a certain figure for a very long time and thus creating income to his works and also while doing so, lifting up other mangakas and giving them also a time in the spotlight.
also, his creativeness is top notch. avoiding big amounts of fillers with shear genius that the mangakas of bleach and naruto just can't keep up with.
out of those other 3, i think Gintama is the 4th one in the race. it has the biggest possibility of being really long because of it not having a really direct plot. plus it is also very very very GOOD!!!
after that, bakuman has a huge potential but it shouldn't last more than 10 years.
fairy tail also has some possible long term life. it just needs to get away from that kiddy theme and maybe step it up a notch to a PG16 theme. Its just so bouncy and dull right now.. X_X
The mangaka of Fairy Tail usually draws kiddy theme stuff.. look at Groove Adventure Rave. Tho... I like both of those works. But that's just me, a person with a wide taste in manga.
peace and harmony shall prevail...!!!
I'm just gonna fap to the picture for the article instead of caring
Have fun dude lol
considering that all 3 titles are written on such a low level that a retarded chimp would feel insulted by reading it, the loss of all 3 would mean an improvement in the IQ of the human race...
> implying the big three will ever end
meh
if they stop they stop. the industry isn't just those 3, albeit those 3 are not read by me in any form.
however, enjoy. there's always more
man if only rurouni kenshin anime follows exactly the manga, i will watch it over and over again
and sigh akamatsu was really running out of ideas so instead he just rambles again about something
Even those 3 titles end, nothing will happen. Readers will just go to another title in their liking.
Otaku might have to *GASP* READ SOMETHING NEW!!!!
I hope they never end;
although if 2012 is the apocalypse I hope I see the ending of Naruto till then ...
LOL whya re you worrying about naruto bleach one piece?
when we have tons of infinite hentai mangas games and anime coming our way?
I can't help wonder when Case Closed will end...
Even Superman and Batman had to end, but they were reborn. Why cant mangaka do that?
Now that I think about it, isn't this like the rebirth system in Disgaea where you become more powerful if you send them back to level 1?
That would be JoJo's Bizarre Adventure. Well, I suppose that would actually be more of a mantle passing like with the Flash or Green Lantern.
moar like, what would happen if one piece ended,
bai manga industry
As if the only good Manga out there is One Piece, Naruto and Bleach?
I remember a similar question was asked when Dragon Ball ended...Weekly Jump is still around, isn't it?
Naruto and Bleach appear to be ending but One Piece looks to be going on for a long time. So Weekly Jump will still have One Piece, I'm pretty certain that there will be a new hit series in that publication to replace Naruto and Bleach.
i am always availiable so no worries...
In my eyes One Piece is the only "Holy Trinity".
I dont get the point author wanted to say.
What will happen when those three ends? new manga series will appear, thats all, world wont stop spinning jeez...
nothing. It will be a blessing to finally have those end so that the authors have better chances to make other mangas
THE TRUTH is... if anybody is still willing to listen here... SHOUNEN MANGA is in utter decline...
that spells doom for all otakudom.
Good bye otaku...
decline? 20 years ago the market could hold only ONE popular shonen at a time (whit 2 maybe 3 runners ups) now there are 3 (and like a dozens runners ups and hopefuls) and HAVE YOU SEEN THE SALES FIGURES OF ONE PIECE???!!!
Cure Narutard,
save the world.
i always wonder why they're still alive up to this day.
they were good few seasons ago but they're now very tedious :|
Naruto - i love it, still anime recently is getting boring, not all fillers are interesting, movies are shit, and, what's the most important because of all that filler shit i sometimes forget what it's all about. It's getting a bit stupid sometimes and Naruto should grow up a bit more. Maybe I'm just too old...
Still, i still love it.
One Piece - at first i didn't like it because of the art. But i was bored and started watching it and i still am. This is really good. I'll never get bored.
Bleach - when i started watching it it was really really interesting. But later those all fillers... When only it's becoming interesting they tell you to watch some stupid fillers without any meaning, not funny and boooring. It would be really interesting if not those fillers. But that's not all to it. Because of the fillers the actual plot is becoming too long and eventually boring. I mean really, the fights are longer than even DB. And the chars are sometimes too shallow, because of the crappy story there is no concentration on the inside of chars. Only shallow comedy, with the same gags over and over. Still, i watch it, hoping to see them getting to meritum eventually.
I would like to have more shorter but good mangas. I don't like to say good bye to the chars i love but it's sometimes better.
I doubt that Kishimoto or Oda would create another manga, similar to Naruto or OP. Remember Toriyama, when he finally finished DB, he never ever wanted to create such thing anymore and started making some short mangas, which didn't become so popular. It's not actually that easy to create a completely new story, without repeating the story from previous manga. Kishimoto for example created many mangas before, all of them having similar accents, which actually created idea for Naruto. So it's not that he sat one evening and created a story that lasts until today. He was creating the story for his whole life. So people, don't count too much on them. They will create something for sure but i seriously doubt it will be a long title, rather a better quality, more thoughts maybe...
I wasn't talking much about bleach because I'm gradually losing respect for the series. Damn editors. They should read Genshiken or something...
First of all i strongly believe that for a shonen to be considerede huge and popular it MUST have both a manga and a long running weekly TV show
I dont think that the market as it is right now can hold more than 3 of these simultaneously, but certainly there are several other shows and mangas waiting in the shadows that "could" occupy a place in the case one of the trinity where to end (Bleach is in serious deeeeep shit right now both the manga and TV is sucking major balls)
Honestly other than One Piece, the others should have ended years ago. Oda has the only manga that's been good the whole time. Why Naruto and Bleach still exist is beyond me? They both ran out of ideas more than 2 years ago. Naruto isnt even in most the issues now and the story isnt good unless Susuke's there. The new characters in the recent chap look like filler characters. Bleach never had a story but amazing art. Go to Soul Society and save Rukia and nothing happened between them, no romances, Orihime is a sex symbol and Ichigo is too stupid to notice her? The only chick he knew that could fight was abandoned a few chap in and only now reshowing up years later? Why does anyone support those mangas? My guess is that since they are in the same mag as One Piece, they get bought and thats it. If One Piece was by itself the other 2 would die. Ken's my boy, I hope he's doing well? Minus Ace's arc, there has been no bad One Piece chap minus arcs. Oda is SS rank status or god teir Bang status! Ken would be A rank with the Fairy Tail mangaka and there isnt much else good. Claymore every once in a while, Bakumen, Air Gear...What else is worth reading?
Much as I dislike OP it will be lasting quite a bit of time. as there isn't a definite time of closer.
Naruto is doing quite well in the manga but definitely should end soon. Madara -> other tailed host -> mysterious nemesis ->END
Bleach should've come to a close a while back ago BUT, I do like how Kubo shown how everyone grow up so far.
Sidenote: The only reason I dislike OP is due to the artwork otherwise the story is pretty good.
Quick Question...why is Yoruichi depicted as a white woman in the pic above? I don't get it... And Fairy Tail=Awesome. Its like Bleach Naruto Soul Eater and DBZ merged into one. Fucking epic...
Naruto was more popular than One Piece 7-8 years ago with the debut of the animated series and before the arrival of the fillers.
But then One Piece slowly began to catch up and to increase its fanbase.
One Piece, from the little I've seen and read, offers a richer story setting and more variety than the other two and the design is more unique.
As for the manga industry, it still is in better shade than the anime industry, despite its problems.
Eiichiro said himself that One Piece will continue from the "2 years after" chapter for at least ten years! And Tite wants to finish the current arc for Bleach which will take 6 months and after that he will run the last arc for another 2 years. So there's nothing dramatic to be concerned about. And there's Fairy Tail which doesn't seem to be ending soon and maybe also Nurarihyon. (The manga has advanced pretty well.) Is there anybody who has info about naruto?
Nothing of value will be lost and people will explore other, actually good, manga.
Bleach needs to end, Naruto I have no doubt will end soon but probably after Bleach & One Piece could probably continue though I don't know cause I don't currently read One Piece...
Excuse my use of the FRENCH language but I say it FUCKING ended when they crapped Gunnm:LO for being essentially "Non-PC"...
Manga industry will not die. There's plenty of good manga out there, just waiting to be discovered. And plenty of the newer series have quite the potential in them as well.
and here i thought this article was supposed to be about the future of manga. as in, what must be done to keep the industry alive. not about what is going to take these titles places once they end. (side note: i think its kinda funny that the mangaka that rehashed the same idea 3 times (to my knowledge) and all 3 were pretty successful, is worrying about the whats going to happen to the industry when a "cash cow" ends.)
Simple just ask kishi,kubo and oda to start another manga.Problem solved.
Ok time for a new character pool guys.... as we have developed lots of character tropes over the past decade... we will eventually come up with something...
*Fishes on his own character pool*
Ok....
-deadpan snarky samurai bridget
-otaku pilot vampire
-female maid bot.... uhh common already...
-female yamato nadeshiko otaku gunslinger... Gunslinging Nogizaka Haruka?
Ok were screwed!
the question here must be
What Will Befall Manga If One Piece End?
1 - One Piece (15,220,095 copies)
2 - Naruto (4,178,597 copies)
3 - Fairy Tail (3,616,942 copies)
4 - Fullmetal Alchemist (3,169,048 copies)
5 - Nodame Cantabile (3,029,300 copies)
they must change those generic manga like naruto/bleach or generic mangaka kishi/kubo,
even FMA & fairy tail are better than bleach now,
they must find a better mangaka that can compete
to one piece every year,and they wouldn't
worry about that bubble bursting
latest rankings now
top 1 one piece with 20M+ sales
top 2 naruto with 4M+ sales
I'm worried about the gap here and op always on top every year and raping other manga titles
and they must find another godlike mangaka s like toriyama/oda,who can make a manga for all ages even it's in shounen genre and who pleases all fans for all ages 10 to 50 years old every year and claiming tons of cash every year
bleach/naruto most of the fans are children,that can't even afford all manga volumes of their series
and the only manga that surpassed dragon ball is
one piece until now
and one piece is the only manga that reached
3 million+record sales per volume a record that surpass all manga/domestic books record
other manga can't even reach 2 million per volume even dragon ball
it's like this
top ranks
top 1 one piece
top 2 one piece
top 3 one piece
etc.
wtf they can't even recruit/find a mangaka that can compete equally to one piece
lol
one piece owned them,
even if you combine rank 2~4
naruto,fairy tail,fma,nodame,
they can't even reach op record or
surpassed it
yeah
Oda's one piece
make other mangaka cry in despair
other mangakas:for goodness sake Oda take a break,give us a chance to make money lol
What will happen? Perhaps a silver age of better writing and less bullshit.
Let's see, Akamatsu said moe and harems are dead, now he's saying that shounens are dying... Hmm, perhaps he wants to position a certain moe/harem + shounen combination manga as a successor?
When those series' ends and the Manga industry starts going on a slump, they are just going to blame the West for the decline as usual.
Personally, if I were in control of Bleach it would end soon. End it after he kills this last and 'final' boss.
Meh, I'm sure people asked the same thing when Dragon Ball ended. Another series will be elevated to "god-like" status when any one of those end, most likely the top selling manga for Weekly Shonen Jump. Looking at comic rankings, the most likely replacements for "best manga series lol!" would be: Nurarihyon no Mago (if its recent popularity continues after the anime is over), Psyren, Bakuman, or Beelzebub. Then again, there are manga that have lasted for years and continuously sold well despite being not a part of Weekly Shonen Jump's elite, and a few not even serialized in Weekly Shonen Jump (Hajime no Ippo, Gintama, Detective Conan).
Or worse, what would happen if those series NEVER conclude, rot from lack of original ideas, and start to smell.
Why yes I am bitter about the company Rumiko Takahashi worked for not letting her end Ranma or Inuyasha, why do you ask?
InuYasha did end, and Ranma didn't actually 'end' because Takahashi sucks at writing comedy endings.
Yep they both ended (kinda sucky endings especially Ranma, but endings nonetheless) the Ranma ending was totally anticlimactic, finally something good was gonna happen and blam! interrupted, end, goodbye, and in Inuyasha THEY DIDNT KILL NARAKU!!! FUUUUUCCCKKK!!!!!! and Inuyasha didnt get to have "puppies" whit Kagome, or Sesshomaru whit the little girl (wich got uber-hot after afew years)
Damn you Yoshihiro Togashi get to work already
We can dream...but remember DQ is important and shit lol.
God forbid we deny the world insipid shonen battle manga. People might actually be forced to read something worthwhile.
the top three? more like fillers (though bleach and one piece are WAY better of than naruto's "how many ep/chapters to the next fight" but if (more like when) they finally end, maybe people (the majority) will try to look for non-fillerish mangas
I hope they end soon. A monopoly is never good for any industry. Especially a monopoly of ideas.
I refuse to believe that "the holy trinity" is the best in fantasy storylines that the industry has to offer. Surely they can think of something fresh and successful? The more reliant they are on these bland super series the more readers will turn up their noses at the monotony. Adapt or die manga industry!
Toriko will be the most popular manga.
Developing new talents must = to supplying more money to them.
Bah, Hajime no Ippo, Berserk, Freesia(ended), Gantz are all really nice manga which have a lot of depth to them.
The just don't have the advertising to back them up becuase western culture believes cartoons and comics are for children, bah shove Battle Royale down their gullet then get them to say comics are for children.
Shakespears works don't hold a light to it, let alone Edgar allen poe, post-modern writing crap, yeah he was ahead of his time, in a bad way,
More Freezas. That is your solution.
Bleach: Who the hell is going to top Aizen? Who, exactly?
Naruto: I got one problem: too much making Naruto the Orange Jumpsuit ninja Jesus (well, at least he has black on it, but still)
One Piece: Crazy Awesome. They save all of the emotional moments for when it's actually called for? Ace and Whitebeard dying? Justified.
Conclusion: One Piece can make long work. Naruto could if they stop the Messiah stuff. Bleach would just be annoying if they did kept going.
Simple answer, they dont have to "top" Aizen cause Aizen is not dead, (be prepared for a huuuuge comeback)
Naruto could get really good if they forward a few more years after the ninja war and actually start working real relationships among the characters, (and make Naruto Hokage for crying out louD!)
One Piece is perfect as it is, cant wait for Luffy to go and kick the admirals asses (especially akainu) and for Zoro to fight Mihawk (if the fight at all whit him being his pupil now at all, or maybe the already fougt? Zoro IS missing an eye)
If manga dies, I lol.
Im surprised that katekyo hitman reborn and history's strongest disciple arent being talked about here. I see their potential to replace bleach. I doubt anything can replace naruto and OP. People gotta stop hating on naru just cuz its popular.
TBH the fans of both naru and op have quieted down notcibly. Well compared to 3 years ago.
Other manga I find to replace one of the tri would be berserk, hunter x hunter and negima.
As an OP fan I just hope it lasts longer but not at the expense of Eichiro oda's time just cause publishers want to keep it going.
Reborn is a fucking mess and Strongest disciple is boring and unbelievably repetitive. Even if Bleach is getting outright retarded with it's plotlines, it's still more entertaining than either of those series, IMO.
Also, people weren't hating Naruto because it was popular, they were hating it because the giant plot-reveal turned out to be pretty stupid and the whole series was getting emo in a bad way.
but i like reborn and kenichi. power up system is different and for kenichi its more on the moves he uses =3. yea they are repetitive. How is reborn a mess I found it quite easy to understand? than again I do read bleach and naru and still like them.
The giant twists of naruto arent that bad. If it was not part of the tri than i bet people wouldnt have bitched so much. Also its only emo cuz it is targeted for children so they can understand that hope and justice will prevail. this sounds cheesy but in reality naruto and bleach lean more towards the 15-16 and below range.
haha so true, cause i'm also one of the XD
but you know in the weekly rankings its does quite well most of the time, its gone above bleach a few times, but i guess considering bleach from a few weeks back its not that hard.
Reborn = the most repeatative shounen shit. Messy plot device. Only yaoi girl dig this shit.
Nah.. people were hating Naruto and Bleach because of all the mainstreaming of it. I lost major interest in Naruto and Bleach once it BLEW outta proportions when it became mainstream and ALL the teens were like "Ooooooh, I'm a BIG~ anime/manga fan only because I read/watch only Bleach/Naruto/Fruits Basket." (lol Fruits Basket for the shojo scene, because was a major title for all fangirls back then..) You CAN NOT base your "love for anime" just because you ONLY like one title.
I'll have to try to read Bleach.
The anime sucks big donkey.
"oh, the higher ups say its time to take a break so we'll now go to this totally irrelivant arc that no one cares about for 20 episodes........
I'll still read Gantz, Fairy Tail and Air Gear so i'm cool with that
But i will sure miss Bleach, and I know One Piece wont end soon...
Hmmm..Fairy Tail just isn't good enough to be the successor of the Big3. Psyren, Gintama and other shonen manga published weekly are just not getting enough attention in the western world. Once the Big3 end, more people will look into the lesser mangas and see they're good as well.
Strange how people that don't read these are commenting.
Bleach seems really close to ending, I reckon 2 months max unless they somehow reveal another villain. Naruto is wrapping up, looks like it has another two years left. One Piece just hit its timeskip which would be about halfway through the story (similar to Naruto) I'm assuming so it looks like its going to go on for another 10-15 years.
You do know BLEACH has 2 other arcs after this one planned, right?? Kubo said on an interview..
He said something like @a little arc, and then a big one...
But knowing Kubo the little arc will be stretched LOL
yeah i'm sure his little arcs are like 50 ch....
Then people would just read something else like Fairy Tail, Wakusei no Samidare, 20th Century Boys, etc. Thankfully manga hasn't fallen into the same ultra rarified niche as moe anime. There's plenty out there to replace whatever stops.
"What would befall..."
The average quality of manga would go up. By a lot.
Because that would totally make up for all the other crappy manga out there.
they'll go the American way where they will fight the same villains over and over again - if it works in America...
or moe - it's the same principle - if you have no story to begin with you can repeat it indefinitely
As if someone who reads Naruto would care about a story, they would read it even if it would repeat indefinitely
He's only talking about one publisher...There's still a bunch of others who don't sell jump manga, and they're not relying on the "big three".
In any case:
http://mobile.twitter.com/krnerdnews/status/22223295987
Light novels, anyone? Doesn't look like the "big three" are doing all that well, anyway, and aren't saving anyone.