Final Fantasy XIV “Nothing But Copy-Paste”

Yes, because EverQuest had such good zone design. That was why people hugged the zone borders or spammed /loc to navigate zones, rather than use landmarks.

You do realize that all these screenshots are from the same area of the game right?

Who the hell cares what SE says? If the players think something sucks, then SE can scream their lungs out and no one will care, the players will still quit the game and stop paying.
In WoW's case the players accept that every human keep and every orc hut look the same because it fits their imagination about how walking around in WC3 would be, but quite apparently SE's attempt to cut corners wont fly with most their potential players.

Tbh, I think most of the potential player base doesn't care about this at all. There are some major issues, and those people will care about. This is neither a major issue nor something anyone outside a few 2chan trolls care about.

Actually, just to clarify a couple things...

Jap was the term used during WWII, mostly by military people who were fighting against the japanese. Although it was a shortening of the word Japan, it wasn't used in a flattering way, ever.

Nigger isn't a derivation of Niger, it's a mutilation of the word Negros, which simply means black.

That said, have a nice argument!

jap is a racist term? jesus...

jap is how the rest of the world shortens the country name JAPAN

you see it allot when country names are shortened to 3 letters, either because of space requirements, or because of general laziness.

Japanese = jap

i fail to see how this is a derogatory term.

and so im clear, i thought you were staying on topic and you were complaining about them generalizing all of the eastern mmos as the same crap over and over. which sadly, they tend to be. and i went into describing everquest and its expansions so everyone knew that that is how you support an mmo and this is an 11 year old one, and mmo's of today still find it hard to give support like that.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

Typically, Korean MMO's usually fall into it. So, I'd blame them for the stereotypes if anything.

Also, "Jap" is a derogatory term. Similar to the derivation of Niger => Nigger. Don't say it to strangers in Japan.

i live in america, and i am white, just so you know where i'm coming from. i read the wiki to this point

"In the United States, Japanese Americans have come to find the term controversial or offensive"

and i stopped because it wasn't worth going any further. people in america are so fucking stupid with what they find offensive that i just want to shout it right in there fucking faces.

look at the evolution of what is "acceptable" to call black people. or even midgets and dwarfs, there is a physical difference between the two and the two words describe the differences, but they want to be called little people.

now lets go back to the topic, it wasn't pointing out the content in the games initially, its the support they give the games.

most games from eastern countries die off fast, barely getting support, but lets go ff 11, sense its release in 2002, it has had 4 expansions... im sorry, but i cant figure out what they add. the first one was pre bundled,and the rest i cant find back covers for and i cant exactly what they add. and the wiki i found only says things in a "you have to be into the ff11 world to decipher any of this" way.

if anyone can tell me how many zones, how many quests, and how many advancement options are available with each i would love to know. because i know with everquest a new expansions comes out around the time it takes raid guilds to clear the endgame content. and also, can you tell what levels the expansions were made for? recent eq ones are made for end game group, mainly because they made level 1-70 a cake walk so you get to end game content faster. and the vast amounts of content they already have.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jap

Anyways, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

Just to stay on topic, usually if someone talks about Eastern MMO's, they generally refer to Korean ones. There are really only a handful of Japanese ones I can name in comparison.

As for content, I'm a very, very casual gamer, so I wouldn't know which MMO's have more content than the aforementioned Everquest. But it's old, so I guess that plays in its favor.

I cannot think of any Japanese person who would consider Jap a good term to be called. Even if it was an acceptable term (which it isn't, and we Americans don't commonly use it) it's in how you say it. Even a basic word like Jew can be mean in the context it's said.

I hate PC, and people being "offended" about every little thing. Still, you wouldn't want people to come and scream horrible things about you in your face, would you? I am totally for people saying whatever, but it doesn't mean that what they are saying is great and proper.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigger

Read further.

Also, someone else should respond. Preferably someone who plays MMO's regularly.

/sigh

Niger => Negro => Black => Nigger.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigger

Also, I've never played FF11. So if that's the point of comparison, I think it's better for someone else to respond.

Like someone who actually played it...

/facepalm

Just to be nice I'll explain what I was referring to.

I wasn't referring to the incessant, arbitrary, geographical dichotomy made by gamers who feel a need to constantly dictate their opinion to others on why this or that is the best along with opinionated/factual proof for why they feel that way.

No. I was referring to the use of "Jap", which is considered a racist term by the Japanese. Hence, my reply.

Learn to critically think and comprehend before you submit a detailed response.

@Sychone If WoW would be like this, nobody would have played it.

@Darkrockslizer WoW is like this. Every Inn & blacksmith uses the same building inside & out. Every cave from the starter zones until you hit northrend uses the same layout.

@Alidan

That's kind of unfair, to compare a game with half a million expansions to one just being released, obviously there won't be anywhere near the same amount of content.

I'm sure if you go back you'll find plenty of places in West Karana that looks like a copy/paste of East Karana (or maybe not, considering the zone is mostly flat land with nothing on it).

OMG AM I THE ONLY ONE THAT NOTICED THIS ? THE CHARACTER IN THE LAST PICTURES HAS A CUTE FREAKING TAIL !!!!! zomg witch with cat tail moe-meter off teh chart, screw the background the characters are the most important :D

Final Fantasy ended after 7.
nothing new here, move along.

@Schrooby
FFXV will be inverted. You will spend half the game walking in an linear path and the second half walking back to the start. It all looks different from the other way I swear.

@Kyon
Welcome to the wonderful world of MMOs. Now go kill 10 of these bad guys.
Done? Good. Now go and kill the same guys and collect 12 of their eyes. You get roughly 1 eye per 3 kills. No, it doesn't make any fucking sense.
Done? Good. Now go back in the exact same area, and make your way fighting the same guys you were killing on the last two quests, all the way to the named NPC that randomly attacked you at least 5 times while you were doing the previous quests. Unless the named NPC is already dead because someone else was doing the same quest. Of course, it will respawn in 2 minutes. Unless some other player finds it first while you are busy fighting off the same god damn mobs you've been killing so far.

@Schrobby
Nope, spherical. Don't ask about FFXVI if you don't like abstract mathematics.

If you do, have some 3-sphere rotation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqfwPQvb7KA
Yes, this ^ figure simply rotates, it doesn't move or change shapes.

THAT, made me laugh. Good one.

if you have ever played an mmo, where you can sink months of you life into it easily, the backround is VERY important.

because if the level 1 hunting ground looked the same as the level 50... or the level 80... or the 90, you would get so fucking sick of the game that you would stop playing it.

take everquest. at least the 1-70 grind. you go from place to place and you never stay in one place to long to get sick of it, take places like city of mist, rss, wall of slaughter, and and most of the secrets of faydower zones.

by the time you get sick of a zone, a new one to hunt in has poped up, and unless you are top tier only fighting for aa exp, you will never get sick of fighting in the zones while you are still killing there for levels.

and i use everquest as an example because its been around for 11 years, still pulls enough of a profit to make it a commercially viable game,and i have spent the most time with it.

iv gotten a shadowknight up to level 82 with 1100aa, and im not the kind of player who powers through content as fast as humanly possible, so you know were im coming from that way.

No. FFXIV is just a significantly slower version of FFXIII, ie timewarped linear.

What will FF XV be? Cubist? ^_^

God, Why do they keep making it worse and worse

Now I am a MAJOR Final Fantasy fan boy, but even Im starting to break

gah!

@Anon 09:42

Reminds me of Wow...
No, I don't play it...

As someone who is playing open beta, I can tell you that the terrain absolutely does not look copy+pasted. I haven't heard any even mention anything like that. The pictures of the map that look the same are because it's the same city at different levels...

I see what you did there...

Finally Fucked XIV

Can I have my triangles in the next version? Preferably F-F-F ones.

Wow, this game, at first it looked so promising but now I don't even

You guys are doing it wrong. You gotta buy the Squeenix certified Pasocon set for $350+USD to be able to tell the difference of the background graphics. You fail.

BWAahahah this game suck balls!

Just wait for Blade&Soul

wow there is who really thinks you can play only 8h/week to this game XD nerds lol

Cutting costs?

Seriously? Square Enix? With the shit your producing nowadays SOMEONE DESPERATELY needs to get sacked.

Because fuck you, that's why.

That's also why there's an 8-hour-per-week limit on this game.

yeah, they should stop naming their games the same

i thought the first 3d mmo was Meridian 59.

The only difference between servers was where the player houses were placed and where people had placed boxes in deciet and hythloth to block off the mobs.

Well said.

Seriously, say what you will about WoW, but they do vary the landscape quite a bit. Architectural changes are pretty much limited to between races. Most MMOs are going to have to at least approach that standard to be viable, IMO.

no, you ant say wow, that was recent, go back to ultima online. i believe every server was different and if you wanted to or played enough you would know what server you were on just by looking around.

and if you want 3d, i do believe everquest was the first 3dmmo, and is the granddad of the modern mmo, and it has easily the most verity of any mmo, at the very least for its time. hell even the differences between grater faydark, lesser faydark, and kithicor, 3 full Forrest zones of the original game are distinct enough that you can tell which one you are in easily if you spend any amount of time in them.

and that is a standard of quality that was established 11 YEARS AGO, and ff14 appears to not even be capable of matching 11 year old quality standards.

Those are pictures of the same areas taken from different angles. I don't understand what the posted pictures are showing me... That isn't a copy it's the same place.

Unfortunately SE has a bad precedent in this lazy landscaping already. If you've played FFXI, you'll have to remember that no matter what race's lands you were in, all the outposts looked identical. It was easy to get lost because there were few unique landmarks. And South Gustaberg... need I say more about lazy landscaping?

I remember navigating around the game having no clue where I was going unless I checked my map (there was no minimap) every couple minutes because the roads were so long and meandering that they weren't worth travelling on.

How much can you really expect from a company that has that kind of history? They're slow to learn, and refuse to take hints from other more popular games.

do you still get lost after allot of play time there? i remember in everquest when i first started, was a real bitch, couldn't see shit, partially because of my monitor, partially because i was human and it was night.

but after a while, everything became second nature, and i knew almost every town like the back of my hand.

granted they all looked VASTLY different from each other, but its the getting lost sense that i'm interested in.

do you know how hard it is to a mile size map? im taking a guess that thats the biggest there are in this game, maybe larger.

correct me if im wrong, but everquest had a map that was close to 3-4 square miles big, or at least close to that, and there were 2 in the original game called the karanas, the original game had i believe 60-80 zones, and no 2 looked alike, and even to this day it still has some of the biggest zones in any mmo game.

now if you spend i'm assuming, 3-5 years on an mmo, the easiest part of EVERYTHING is making the fucking land. im talking from experience of 3d modeling and making landscapes, that that is by far the easiest thing to do in an mmo. the dungeons, they are harder but still easier than anything else.

there is no excuse to have the same landscape 4 times or a city 3 fucking times.