Yunomi “Ultimate Plagiarist”

I LOL'd at some pics. Like wtf, she traced a balloon?

Really at this point nothing is original anymore. Even if a source can't be cited, there is one somewhere, vaguely tied to this piece of work. And any single piece could easily have one or hundreds of sources, and at some point feasibly listing all of them outpaces the effort to the piece in the first place. The real problem is when the artist does not acknowledge that this is occurring and being a dick about it.

Whats wrong with using references?
True some do look traced, but the ones where they are comparing real photos with the art... she's just using them as reference. No artist goes without using them.

Imagine if 2ch did something useful.

Imagine if they turned their anal retentive bitching onto human dna and genetic engineering.

Instead of nitpicking over drawings they'd turn their "find a flaw in anything anal retentive" gaze on fixing/enhancing the human genome.

Their obsessive compulsive tendancies would remove all of the genes for hereditary diseases out of our dna and all women would either be gigantic breasted beauties or you'd have women that could age to 900 and still look loli...2ch could go either way on that.

But instead of doing something good for the human race they'd search for the latest picture of "moe seiyuu x" riding a train and try to find that exact train and the seat she sat on so they can whack it to having their hand that close to the ass of their goddess of the week.

There is nothing wrong with using references, you can't really copyright poses.

Almost all good artists will tell you to use good references if you want to become a good artist, very few artists can draw perfectly without references. Most artists use references all the time people are just becoming more aware of it now with the internet.

Thanks to these articles teaching me that poses are something you can apparently claim ownership to, I went out and copyrighted the "V" peace sign you make with your fingers.

By my calculations, Japanese girls alone will make me the richest person on earth in roughly seven months.

Some of these seem like they really are based on the photo(s), but others are really pushing it.

I'm sure that for almost any drawn image of characters in some kind of pose, you could find a photo online depicting someone in a similar pose.

Using a photo of a bag or a guitar is pretty standard for reference. And those aren't photos limited to just a stock photo site. You could get them from the manufacturer, any store that sells them, or a number of other sources.

Good, if those images and poses weren't common in publicity for the past 40 YEARS I'd be dissapoint, but as they aren't i couldn't care less.

you have to admit some of these poses are pretty damn common though.

2ch is going overboard. theres a difference between tracing, and referencing.

whats the problem?
she did create something new out of it.
similiar to a collagé.

Some of them are obvious traces. But a lot of them barely even resemble the so called "evidence" shown. So different, that I doubt that they are even related at all, just slight resemblance by coincidence.

Nooo! SPICE won't be the same for me anymore.

stuff like the bike and window and bags are one thing but the rest

It certainly is amazing how she was somehow able to "plagiarize" one pose from three different source photographs if you scour through thousands of images of an arm your eventually bound to find one that matches up if you resize and rotate it the right way. Its just really sad 2ch is willing to ruin someones career over such petty bullshit, but what do I know I'm just a filthy American thief that has no right to enjoy their culture that is currently one of their only worthwhile exports. Fuck those sexual frustrated pricks at 2ch!

I as an artist, am utterly disgusted.

Some of these are just common positions. The link between her works and the stuff she supposedly traced is minimal at best. Go back to profiling your waifus days 2ch.

this is retarded, come on! Ok maybe she trace some image. But for cry out loud, if you search hard enough there will be images that similar to each other. Those people sure have lot of free time.

OMG PLAGIARIST! THEY JUST COPIED THAT PERSON!!1!

not Hikki-chan! XD

Some of these are ridiculously tenuous connections.

Some of these pictures are really simmonsed but not all of them. Why can't she draw people in embryo pose? That pose is not copyrighted, and not even special. 2ch overdid it again.

At least SOMEONE likes Turn A Gundam enough to trace off it.

2ch likes to cry a lot about plagiarism. No matter what an artists designs, unless it's abstract art, there will be other instances of the elements incorporated somewhere else. Think about it; how many pictures have you seen where there's a man and a woman hugging? If someone draws that kind of scenery, of course you'll be able to find a photo/other image of it somewhere which looks like your drawing. And every art work these days is made up of a combination of different works; there is hardly any original artwork left in this world.

The detectives of 2ch strike again! Too bad, I like that art.

Come one, plagiarism! I have seen some of the poses from the pics posted here hundred of times before.

Also, 2ch’s investigations? lol give me a break, those who did this have way too much time on their hands.

You know its common practice to imitate posture. She took it overboard but there's nothing wrong with that.

if this is plagiarist
then isint it REALLY hard to be original?

The only thing 2ch is good for.

Honestly, this doesn't look like she traced. Yeah there is a lot of similarities, but honestly? Come the fuck on, people have looked at other people for ages and drew what they saw. Using stuff for reference like that is hardly new. Any painter, any sculptor, they always had a model.

Everything I see is so fucking common for what people pose for shit, I don't see any of this "It's all traced" shit. It looks like some home guardians got uppity and bored and did what people do when they try and find hidden messages in music; They catch some form of resemblance to shit and go crazy with it.

This shit is some straight up retarded conspiracy shit. It doesn't fucking matter what you draw, it could be the most random fucking pose ever, and there is bound to be an image or 2, or 500 fucking million of it on the internet already. I could understand if maybe this was totally ripping on some manga or something (like simmons) but this shit is just the most random shit. She drew a basic bike design ! oh shit ! omg, she drew a fucking basic bag design ! OMFG. HOLY SHIT! She drew a person playing guitar in a chair in perhaps one of the most common positions to sit in when playing a guitar. And no, the guitars aren't even the same. The general body outline is similar, as semi hallow bodies tend to have similar shapes, however they are far from a perfect match/trace.

Fucking crazy tinfoil hat trolls.

She apologized for thesep lagirisms.
That is all.Dismiss.

I'm divided by this one. In some cases they're trying to prove the same link to multiple existing photos in the same way. In other cases she's drawn objects that exist in real life (such as a guitar and bag) and you can't very well cry wolf because the end product looks realistic.

At the same time, others are more clear0cut and give weight to what would otherwise be pretty tenuous links.

a lot of these smack of "you keep using that word, but I do not think it means what you think it does."

People are forgetting that the 'real crime' isn't even entirely in the copyright issue with the stock images, but in the fact that this artist was tracing at all.

Some of these images do seem to be just 'drawing from reference', something every artist does, but some really are obvious traces.

Tracing is the kind of thing that may not seem like much to the normal person, but to other artists, it's insulting for someone to get famous when not putting in as much work as real artists have to.

i thought she will look like a fat women with lots of pimple on face.

There are a lot here that were referencing stockphotos, which is fine as it's reference but if they had the chance to explain it was from a reference, that would be great, but a lot were copied directly in a way that can't be looked over. The first Magnet example is a good case of ripping off art of someone else but the other cases are not valid as it could be seen as reference or inspiration. I am disappointed that she ripped off some artwork and photos so directly as I liked a lot of Dixie's work.

oh no. another artist drawing characters in generic poses. Some maybe be copies, but i mean come on, how many poses do you think a dog can be in? Do you want to see it on a unicycle next? Anyways not as bad as ssoulja boi

Some of these are just sad. Like, some I can agree she just stole. But the dog? No shit it was took from a photo!
Also some you can tell she just referenced. I'm not saying she didn't steal at all, but some of these are just people overreacting because she was caught and now they're trying ot find any more evidence to throw at her.

Gee, Picky...
Google Greg Lands and see what people can get away with...
I swear, you people need to chill out >.>

oh~
can i use her picture as an ads? i don't have any others skill other then tracing.

doh. even if an artist draw the same picture, the ratio between this picture would not be the same. in this case, it's pretty obvious that her picture is more the less 90% exactly the same which also proof of her existance of stealing people's work.

now otakus has option about art.Don't go judge something you have no idea about

Some people fail to see that a lot of pictures here were taken from stock photographies stores... You aren't supposed to use them for free, that's why the preview comes small and with a watermark.

YunomiP already apologized on her blog btw.

Sigh with the internet theses days you cant even create a pic that you can call on your own as an originally made illustrations

anyway

why so much hate towards Yunomi she already said sorry and she even brought down her illustrations

2ch is really starting to annoy me a bit

yes plagiarism is plagiarism but you dont have to rub it in deeper that that to just make a shit about and make the world notice so much it becomes a new world rule that limits freedom of speech

oh well old news is old news i Hope Yunomi learn from her mistakes and try to make it more original that 2ch cant bash around

they mostly look like references to me, honestly. o_o most of those poses are very generic, you can't pull out every single pose that seems slightly similar and say that all artists copied from each other. o_o

http://vocaloid-lovers.deviantart.com/blog/33957447/

Read c:

Some of these are just bullshit. 2ch really is shit sometimes.

2chan: people who dont have nothing to do in his lives.

2chan like to bitch about things don't they.....
just because someone has drawn or taken a photo of something that looks a little like what your doing does not mean that you copied them.

there are so many pics there that are down right stupid cos i bet there's thousands of pics all over the world just like it.

So... you're not allowed to look on things that exists IRL to influence your art?
Some of the Photo -> Art stuff I can see why people react, and the Art -> Plagiasied Art I can see.

But most of the photo-infulence it's "WOW POSES, WOW BUNNY, WOW BALLON, WOW BIKE" and such makes me just want to say Pathetic to those who whine.

This is ridiculously amusing. Surely the 2ch denizens are so darn dumb i mean, it's all stock poses in the human modeling book. What's wrong with that? This kind of article really kills creativity.

I see how 2ch and sankaku is alike

The usage fee of the photograph used for the illustration was not paid.

There is damage of the company which sells the photograph and profits had been obtained with the illustration using it.

I call bullshit, 2ch.

Sorry, but half these don't cut it for plagiarism. A couple are pretty clear-cut cases of using images for REFERENCE, and the rest are very likely coincidence. At most, two of those smacked of immediate duplication, and if they're from a commercial archive with the ability to reproduce them for use, she might have the rights.

Nothing makes it more clear-cut than 19, frankly. 2ch shows "evidence" that she "traced" from two different subjects. Bwuh? That's impossible, unless she's using a pretty common pose (some might even say iconic), like the adult representation of the fetal position. Something I've seen in dozens of movies and TV shows, usually with the woman naked. I bet if I were to flip and rotate the shot of Summer Glau in Firefly to 19, it'd match up pretty well too.

Number 6-7? Freaking petty. Not a major issue, to my mind. Again, it's a reference.

The most hilarious bit is number 35's bike. Yeah, the background is obvious and the pose is as well, but harping on the bike is just STUPID. Rei Hiroe "copies" actual guns in Black Lagoon, but is he plagiarizing by using real guns? Nope, he's being more authentic.

Look, I'm not ENTIRELY defending this broad, but calling her worse than Simmons is idiotic.

For the most part I can't find myself caring too much. Using a wide variety of references is okay for artists. Encouraged, in fact, because it helps the artist develop their skills. The funny bit is the worse than Simmons comment. Hell. No. Simmons took a bunch of images and poses from ONE source, traced them, and from what little I read of the story, actually leeched STORY elements from Bleach.

wtf!?

The material maker is angry about yunomi.

Hey you guys miss the points.
The problem is the photo Yunomi used has right and she didn't pay only a few money. Much worse, the rights belongs to photographers or product maker so the person using there resorce has to add a footnote to acknowledge where the original rights belongs but she added a footnote "all rights reserved" (all rights belongs to me). Yes, she is a plagiarist.

Doesn't really look like plagarism to me,more like she referenced them and tried to make new works using her own style.That's more like daring creativity.

GOOD LORD! YOU FREAKS OF NATURE!

This is nitpicking of the n-th degree.

So if say a less artistically inclined person transforms a style as a set of formulas and then modifies them and creates an image based on them ... is FUCKING COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT !?

Oh yeah, I'm so gonna go patent Riemann's integration of the 5th order tomorrow ... :D

I understand that these are traced not mathematically composed, but, for example I was working on a program whose purpose was to take a set of curve functions as input and parametrically modify them to create good trace lines in various manga styles.

I used it for some minor character artwork. It's called synthetization, and there's absolutely nothing illegal about extracting a pose from a picture (as long as the original artwork is not a stick figure itself).

Points to take away from this article and comments:

-We don't give two shits if Yunomi plagiarized or not. Originality died a long time ago.

-2ch retards don't have lives. It is perfectly acceptable to troll their opinions, regardless of whether or not we're rooting for an art thief or a saint.

Some of these, I don't know, I just don't buy it.

Drawing based on IRL photos....is that considered plagarism? What i see to be plagarism is if the artist copies another's drawings. Drawing based on photos is ok to me. And, as many before has mentioned, there are indeed some rather generic poses there...

She uses reference poses? Like 99.99% of every artist, ever?

SOMEONE ALERT THE MEDIA

Christ, nice to see 4chan's overseas counterpart now has their own Jessica Elwood, heh.

as long as she reference the other works. if not then we have a problem.

i dont support that, but there were a few of those that were just plain idiotice, there are a thousand of photos of people doing the same poses, its called public domain, now there are others where its evident

I dont see how this is plagarism.... Isnt it ok to draw from IRL pictures? Correct me if im wrong.

I don't believe these are traced, every artist uses references like this. I am a professional artist, myself and everyone I work with has a huge collection of reference for making your art look how you want it to look.

I see nothing wrong here.

I'm gonna willingly plagiarize J. Jonah Jameson for my message to 2ch on their need to whine about plagiarizing this and that.

"Shut up.. Get out.."

You can't really compare drwaings to actual photos and call it tracing. The reason why is because they are two completely different things. If she went for a more realistic style thus actually tracing the pohto I would agree. She however, just used those pictures as references.

Almost every artist uses references. It's actually part of the proces - pictures, models, a mirror. How else would you draw something that looks real?

You can never be truly original. Aside from the sci-fi (works of fiction) and humanly imposible poses you can prety much find pictures of almost every pose out there.You just need time.

Really? A person sitting in a chair, a couple riding a bike, two girls kissing, people hugging each other...you can't seriously say that drawing any of those is tracing especially when even the angles of some pictures are completely different.

Some artist even use real photos as basic layers to make the texture of the skin look more realistic.

Oh and those sites that let you use stock photos for which you have to pay actually have a big watermark right across the picture which you can't really remove if you don't pay.

Using photographic or artistic reference does not equal plagiarism. Animals, guitars, bikes, scenic backgrounds... these are all things that are difficult to draw accurately without reference. Try drawing something simply from your memory/imagination and see how great it turns out... I'll bet you it'll end up looking like shit.

lols man, secondly though if she bought the images rather than tracing them she has used them as reference image and some get altered here and there. thats what Photo librays are for same with nude model books which are a collection of various models. Its not plagirism.

Also those photos minus the Gotei can easily been used as reference image.

Ironic how there's a post about somebody else plagiarizing on Sankaku Complex.

What the! there's about a lot of different body poses and animal angle images, which can be use for references, how come they're calling it plagiarism!

Plagiarism is stealing the original image and changing the original content, without the consent of the original owner.

I've been doing a lot of photography and I even let my models pose in those angles and they're calling it plagiarism!
What! are different body poses copyrighted too?! WTF!

References and Plagiarism are totally different.

But I'm really amaze on how 2ch found these images, because some of these may be plagiarism especially the background image below.

But still 2ch shouldn't mix reference/coincidental images and plagiarism.

Watch as the weeaboos defend a Japanese artist while berating a western one for doing the exact same thing.

she is an artist. ever hear of appropriation? art school 101. so she used some images...so what. Her drawing turned some boring as fuck photos into something that someone could actually call art. deal with it.

who the hell would pay for a photo of two girls kissing with headphones.

you are all torrenting freaks who hardly every pay for shit, to judge this artist is complete shit.

There is nothing wrong here... its just a reference!

And people really expect that an artist should know how a bike looks like with all of the details and everything? ? Nobody knows that! Unless the person work designing bikes. . .

Actually it doesn't matter if she used real pics as source of inspiration. Once it's drawn it's a completely different and new thing. So yeah, she used that landscape as the base for her drawing. As if landscapes were rare to see.

Seriously, she's not using the images as her own, she's creating new things out of existing images. If we go by the logic that this is plagiarism then WORSHIP plagiarism. I wouldn't be defending her if she had used parts of other drawings though.

RIAA style: you have copied this [insert content here] to your brain so you are infringing copyright. (actually I am infringing copyright since I got the example from a comment at TF but I slightly changed it. Just for the lulz).

...So using real life poses as a reference to draw characters is wrong? It's not 2D copying at all; it's natural. Humans move in different ways. Knock it off 2ch, this isn't detective work at all.

Are we to complain when were all guilty of piracy here?

simmonizing was much worse because they were exact scenes from bleach.

yes it is bad, but at this point it's hardly surprising. most if not all artists use references/traces to some degree, it's just a matter of how much and how well you conceal it from the public that matters.

even top artists like Tony and ishikei probably do it aswell.

No one should be accused of plagiarism when he makes 3D into 2D.
2D > 3D

Referencing FTW? Been done since the dawn of taking portraits of others.

There's always a big issue regarding tracing over the net.

From how I understand this topic, referencing or tracing is fine as long as you put effort into changing the details and composition that you make it into another piece of art and what you can call it as your own.

The exception is, don't copy the main concept of the image you are referencing or it'll be just another pic that imitates someone else's work.

On Yumino's case, some were OK like the 2 girls with headsets since she made it into something more artistic and different look but most were just blatant trace that hardly varies with the original.

And besides, I think that the Yagami Light/Golgo one is an intentional parody, rather than plagiarism.

Tracing? I don't know 2ch was a hive of retards.

They seems more like reference. Fucking NEET retards.

I don't really care. And that's how artists work - they look and something and draw it.

This is just another proof that 2ch can't do any useful work only things no one cares about...

lol half of those aren't even real, photoshop was used to alter the 'original' images so that they matched the drawings

Still, a good laugh.

Stupid news is stupid. Things like these are acceptable in the illustration industry. Heck some professional artists have done worse.

Google "Greg Land swipes" and you'll see how professional Marvel artist Greg Land literally plagiarized from FELLOW artists. Now that's some bad shit.

And this Yumino isn't even a high profile artist...