A Canadian man has been convicted of possessing child pornography on the basis of some 2,000 sexually provocative drawings. Courts heard that “to call them cartoons is to trivialize them.”
As part of a 2009 crackdown on underage pornography circulated on the internet, Canadian police launched a nationwide campaign, executing 70 search warrants, which resulted in 57 arrests.
Ottawa police searched the computer of a 27-year-old man, finding 1,974 images they considered child pornography – 1,971 of which were drawings.
Courts later found him guilty, and he has just been sentenced.
A state prosecutor condemned him as a vile child pornographer on the basis of the illustrations – “To call them cartoons is to trivialize them.”
However, a court-ordered psychiatric evaluation was forced to concede he could not be considered a paedophile.
He has been sentenced to a 90-day prison sentence, to be served on weekends, and will be on probation for 3 years as well as being listed as a registered sex offender for the next 20 years.
He was also ordered not have unattended contact with children under 14, and to submit a sample of his DNA to the state.
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Should've hid his porn on an external. Better off throwing it out the window - in the worse case scenario - than having to go to court.
I guess if he did own those few pictures of actual child pornography, that probably increased the bias multiple-fold.
Pretty sad that lolicon has to be tagged into it wholesale.
Why aren't the judges themselves jailed? After all, aren't THEY the ones who see child pornography in those drawn images with their sick imagination???
good point
Well, the sad part is, Prosecution is seen as a bit of a game on top of serving justice. The more you prosecute/judge against crime, the more gravy points you get, hence the higher chance of moving up the Prosecutor/Judge rankings.
I'm guessing that overzealousness is just getting in the way of a true dialog of why equating cartoon lolicon is not the same as real life child porn.
I have to agree on the strictest and most absolute prosecution of child porn. If that guy really has the images of child pornography, tag him with a fine. If he's propagating/creating it, tag him with jail. Just sad that entertainment media like videogames and anime/manga/erotica stuff gets hedged in. Because as far as the prosecution goes, it's just a small speedbump to getting a notch under their belts.
childpornographers should be the detectives that go through the images to see if they are in fact kiddy porn. they could sate their bizarre tastes and perform a community service.
i would call it "pedo-loli protection act." or the LPPA.
Shippoyasha
19:28
just so you know child porn is anyone under the age of 18 in a sexual depiction, the kid could be fully clothed, but if its provocative in any way, its called co by the government.
whos to say those 3 "cp" images were actually cp.
This arresting speed is incresing rapidly. I am quite worried.
Drawings lead to jailtime. Mankind is seriously fucked up. We deserve to die out.
They are crazy, is pure DRAW for fuck god sake!
They're the nuts here!
In my defence:
Dea audience. How can you think this image is of a HUMAN child? Does humans have GIGANTIC EYES THAT EATS UP HALF OF THE HEIR OWN HEAD? Are children really so easy to get? Does children fall in love like the stories tells? For all we know they might actually be ALIENS! You cannot pass sentence on someone who have nude images of aliens. What law does that violate?
What? You say it's still a "child"? Oh hey. I got a kitty in my bedroom. Naked. Rawr. Kill me.
Thank you for your time.
thats stupid, if the drawing looks like a 5 year old, naked semi naked, covering, dildo, tentacle rape, dpesnt matter if it has big eyes or have cat ears its fuckinnnggggg child porn.
Cheeezzzzzzzzz,i wonder whats next, not calling the game manhunt a violent game cause it doesnt involve real humans, thats fucking stupid.
Face it, lolicons, its not normal.
Yeah, well, the difference is that you don't arrest someone for murder because they played the game Manhunt.
Normal or not, nobody is actually hurt by what goes on in a drawing, or by looking at that drawing, so all that's left is people who can't stand that other people are even LOOKING at the stuff. There's no real evidence that looking at drawn images is going to make someone lose their mind and assault a real kid. The only thing there is people's disgust reflexes. "Ew that's gross! You're sick! You must be dangerous!"
It's convicting someone for what they THINK, not what they actually DO. So face it, moral busybodies, it's harmless, no matter how icky it makes you feel.
@Darkrockslizer - its not illegal to "view" the images - its illegal to "possess" the images. So its ok to be over at your friends house viewing is loli collection - just don't be around when he/she gets busted.
Yeah, it's funny. Everywhere there's a censorship law there is someone sanctioned by the state to look at the offending material to see if it must be censored. We're unworthy, of course. It's a joke, but it doesn't make me laugh.
Of course it's (thought) sex.
With aliens & dot matrix pigment blips assembled in some sort of non random pattern which when ultimately accumulated results in what a lot of English speaking people call a cartoon.
Hey, cutting out paper dolls from notebook paper is not children either, nor is the ash molds of dying victims under Pompeii's lava & ash or the black shadow outlines on concrete walls of Hiroshima A bomb incinerated victims children either.
"Considered CP". It's easy to take a few teen porn pics, label the characters underage, and convict away.
The lack of context and the fact they only found 3 of them makes me very doubtful of weather there was anything, other than loli art.
On top of that, they could have just pulled whatever junk got staged from (likely) 4chan visits or w/e.
What they found was probably pulled from long staged browser cache. Single visit to 4chan can get you lots of stuff you don't care about.
A person actually interested in child abuse don't have just /three/ pics.
It's like going to ebay, seeing a seller with 3000 good commetns, and basing the opinion on 2 negatives ...
Good defence.
well if prosecution is seen as agame and the participants can move up in the ranking i hope they leveld up for this ridiculus case
In Australia, anything that's in the browser cache is deemed inadmissible.
Rember that even nudeist pics that arent sexual in the slighest can be considered CP. I shit a brick when I relized some of the nudist vids I have contain underaged girls, and had no idea they were even there (I mean come on, vid of hot nudist milf where a kid is seen for 2 secs and its cp)
Guess that makes the Meaning of Life cp as well D=
No, they cannot be considered CP. The fact is that there has NEVER been a case where that happened because:
1. Even up in Canada, nude pictures of children who are not in obviously sexual positions (legs spread open, fingers holding open pussy) are legal.
2. Canada has nude beaches and they don't want to get on the case of a parent who is going to get a LOT of outrage heaped on the law by the common man!
Nudist videos/pics are only considered CP by the hysterical people. You don't see the police going after nudists or site admins removing nudist content (example: isohunt). You only see a couple of hysterical people expressing their disgust.
What's funny about this is that due to the very strong public opinion, I can't view pictures obviously taken for a fapping purpose without feeling disgusted, even though it's 100% certain that no one is getting hurt. It's interesting how much power strangers' opinions have over you.
To call the canadian laws dumb is to trivialize them.
to call them stupid is to trivialize stupidity.
To equate drawings to real child pornography that required the abuse of a child to create, trivializes said abuse.
Should have encrypted. A broken HDD can still be recovered, and it makes you very suspicious. A 50GB unallocated partition?
"I was planning to install (insert name of uncommon OS here) but I never really got around doing it."
TrueCrypt is your friend.
I'd rather be falsely accused of mass murder and assassinations and be convicted as a serial killer hit-man for hire rather than let these f*ckers take another low hit at anime and hentai...
Damn the old ways...I hope anime-wise individuals take the places of these old bastards in the government, judicial and justice system, and even in EQ and UNICEF so we won't have sh*t like this happening ever again...
man you are stupid, havent you noticed that anime its turning more and more sexual, that characters are moire and mroe younger, more and more fan service, and bad and i mean baddd baddd stories?
Shit virgins has finally took control of anime, and that sucks.
And when people on sancom talk bad about others on how typical anime is (sexual, fan service, and the like), you're simply told "it can't be helped."
That Satu, is because it can't be helped.
Do you really think the new generation would really care about people's well being?
or just view it on the net! PROXY! TOR!
Yeah, that's it, I'm buying a large magnets to screw my discs in an emergency.
Doesn't work nearly as well as you'd like any more. The shielding is better than it once was and they'll still be able to recover a lot. Thermite is your friend.
It's like a witch hunt.
Tho for some reason its the men who are targetted this time. I wonder if they catch a woman "lolicon". Are they gonna persecute her for her preferences or gonna shrug it off since she is a woman?
Don't quote me on this but I remember seeing an article about a woman who kissed a child who wasn't hers and let him touch her breasts and got sentenced to something like 90 years.
yeah what if it is shota? what you do than femnazi?!
masturbate, perhaps
The loliban is named loliban for a reason. Shota is still fine, so the femnazis can continue to enjoy it.
Shit... he gets 90 days for dat much of loli manga?
With my archive, I don't think I'm gonna see daylight ever again... =(
With my hentai and anime archive that I've been collecting since I was 13 from various doujin sites/shops and from the ones I bought from Comiket and got scanned from my handler in Japan, It's enough to put me away for several lifetimes...
But I would rather give up my life for the cause of anime and hentai than go to jail...
They can keep their ignorance and bend their own laws into their twisted whims and self-righteous hypocrisy with these baseless accusations...
I will keep my rationality...And my hentai...
And take it with me to the grave and beyond...
That is...Unless I can find a successor...
To call that law just is to trivialize justice.
brilliant
Purely political and not at all having, containing, or indicative of good sense or reason?
I think I posted this last time someone was arrested for this sort of "crime":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_panic
That is the EPITOME of what this is about, even about 'child molesters' and people who are actually having sex with children.
This is ALL about having a 'boogie man' in order to make people give up their rights and to have someone to 'bash upon'.
40 years ago? It was the homosexuals.
20 years+ before that? People having sex outside of marriage.
In the future, after pedosexuality is exposed as the NORMAL sexuality it is? I am very sure that they will try to make up ANOTHER boogie man for society.
Hopefully, they will also start EXECUTING SUMMARILY people who do that!
Cops are getting too lazy to go after the real predators and so they resort to this... easier to deal with I guess....
And to liken drawings of kids to real acts of CP is to trivialize the victims.
amen
I don't think I've ever upgraded a comment so hard on this site.
I'm gonna need a new mouse from hitting the left key too much.
Some of the victims, to play Devil's Advocate, should be trivialized. They are just whining about sexual encounters with adults that, if they didn't want them, they could have EASILY told the adult in question "Leave me the FUCK alone or I'm telling Mommy/Daddy/another adult!"
The real issue is that these people are WILLINGLY going into the sexual encounters. Then, their parents find out about them, go into 'outrage mode' and starting calling for people's heads or (if the child says that they liked the encounters) threaten the child with bodily harm or death!
It's time to realize that pedosexuality is a NORMAL sexuality, bring it out into the open, and legalize it. INCLUDING having sex with children, as long as that is done out in the open.
The last time I heard, you could NOT force a woman in a public bar into sex unless the asshats in the bar with you allowed you to!
The same thing would apply with pedosexuals (and even other adults), who if they weren't worthy of the trust of being left alone with the children somewhere.... wouldn't be left alone with them!
I'm pretty sure there's a train leaving the local station where you live soon. Do us all a favor and be under it.
And call all of your NAMBLA friends and have them join you.
And not the Marlon Brando lookalikes, those guys are cool.
Canada the home of hockey, bacon and stupidity...................................."to call them cartoons is to trivialized them", well for one they are consider cartoons and two any "Reasonable" individual will know there not real.............or sad part the psychiatrist said, "He could not be deemed a pedophile" yet he is marked one for 20 years and has DNA was taken, fucking Canada >__>
dude fuck you and your racist ass country...
Don't forget pancakes and beer =D
And maple syrup!
And Tim Hortons.
We try to overlook that one.
Bacon and maple syrup is still King though. ^^
So how exactly were they conducting this search? Did they have a reason to go threw his computer or probably reason to suspect him? Or was it just a random chance that they search his computer?
Why won't they start sending gays to prison?
Because being gay isn't a crime? I don't even know why I'm dignifying this with a response.
Umm, I think everyone overlooked the actual intent of this guy's post. I believe he is trying to liken the two, and emphasize the contrast of the laws regarding the two. As in, looking at revealing pictures of the same sex is alright, but looking at revealing pictures of younger people of any sex is a crime.
this is getting ridiculous and i predict that is going to get much worse.
Yep, nothing more than a political ploy to gain more votes. Pick on people who can't fight back.
This is the same country that didn't say ''try to lose weight'' but instead said ''Okey, all fat people will get TWO airplane seats because it's their right.''
I watched a documentary on air plane crashes, and this one small propeller passenger plan crashed on take off, cause people on the flight were too fat. As in the plane was too heavy.
The pilot made pre-flight calculations for the total weight but the average weight he used for the passengers was too low. And so a plane went down..
That is why for SMALL planes they ask people what they weight or weigh them BEFORE they get on the plane. With a 747 or larger plane? Not really going to matter, because they dramatically OVERestimate the weight of the average person. They take the average person as being 250 pounds, if I remember correctly from what I read an ex-pilot on Topix stated.
So basically... I "trivialize" murder/ terrorism / genocide with my bloody monday manga. My gosh... i should get the death penalty before ANYONE gets hurt!
I should get the electric chair. I confess to having murdered thousands of persons in years playing Metal Gear games...
They being made by polygons is a moot point.
Indeed...I've been an avid fan of BERSERK and Claymore and I've seen kids read them in Barnes & Nobles without a care in the world from their parents...
It's the small minority of insecure, illogical, hick-ignorant pieces of sh*t that I don't know how the f*ck they think that threaten anime as a whole by associating it with all kinds of sh*t...
And the impudent whelps running the news networks are not helping either...
The sooner the old generation die along with their paranoia, witch-hunts, hysteria, and draconically illogical and irrational way of thinking, the better...
We need more anime-oriented people in the higher-ups of every country in the world as well as in their police administrations, judicial justice systems, and hell, maybe even in every religious sect just to be sure...
Believe me, there are people in the new generation that are the same as the old.
The future belongs to those of us who embrace progress and understanding. For a long time the backward retards of society have been able to gather en masse becoming an impediment to the human elite, those with greater intellect, creativity and more advanced and rational morality.
A group of apes can subdue the smartest one ape amongst them, if they gather themselves up. But once that ape becomes a man with a shotgun, the apes go down quickly, they submit. That is the way of the fundamental laws of this world, you defy the law of gravity and jump of a building, you hit the pavement and you become a bloody pulp.
No politician, nor democracy, no population can defy the physical laws. IF the laws permit, as they seem to do, higher states of existence, and if as has been shown throughout history power can concentrate, and it tends to do just that. Then causality takes its course, and inevitability sets in.
The human condition is not something that will remain unchanged forever, and those that are willing to embrace change of their bodies and minds(who tend to be high iq, highly creative, and far more tolerant and open in most areas), towards a higher state of existence will be able gain the upper hand.
The law is nothing more than a piece of paper backed by force, when a group of people such as the founders of the united states exceed the strength of the current authority, they have free pass. Their ways are free to become the law, irrespective of what the previous establishment or even the majority desires.
Posthuman beings are unlikely to side with backwards superstitious retarded hicks(the last generation to die of aging, that's the fate THIS WORLD DESTINED FOR THEM. THE SELF-INFLICTED DEATH PENALTY. They delayed antiaging research, they will pay the price.).
Just as all the irrational animals came under the dominion of something greater, man, so to will the unenhanced irrational masses come to fall under the dominion of that which is greater still.
We or those that come after us, are likely to be the last generation that ages. Once aging is controlled, all the blessings of decades upon decades of technological progress will be ours. With aging controlled humans will be able to physically attain bodies decades younger, even teenage bodies or younger if they so which.
Stupidity isn't learned behavior, Xuchilbara.... it's inherited.
"1974 images of child pornography. All but three were drawings featuring children"
Pretty sure he was arrested for the 1974 REAL child porn images and not the 3 drawings...
Read more: http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Cartoon+images+from+innocent/3330409/story.html#ixzz0v3uPUztL [http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Cartoon images from innocent/3330409/story.html#ixzz0v3uPUztL]
you fail sir
You mean for the 3 "real" ones and not the nearly 2000 drawings.
have you read the sub-title of the article...?
"Child-porn stash almost entirely animé drawings"
In Soviet Russia...
"... all but three were drawings... "
This is from your links.
learn to read tard. Seriously. "All BUT three were drawings" Means they were ALL drawings except for three of them.
derp
“to call them cartoons is to trivialize them.”
To call them abusive is to trivialize actual abuse. Fuck you.
You've got the point, my man.
“To call them cartoons is to trivialize them.”
HERPADERP.
If it was the Dojinshi from Japan like from Comiket, that stuff should never leave Japan as it is like asking to be put in jail. So which ones did he have on his computer?
To them, it probably doesn't matter. Lolis are children to them, lol.
In which case, could it be argued that people who've never harmed a real child in their lives.... and probably wouldn't want to anyway.... are lonely and just happened to want to adopt a loli manga? o_0
All it takes is a nominal charge for adoption, and you can take them home. Hell, as the years go by they grow to be better and better (unlike real children, who there are no guarantees on). ^^
I starting to hate the direction of loli = child porn and how the case is handle that the accuse can hardly win or appeal
I'm glad I live in a country which values freedom of speech and expression and knows the difference between fiction and reality.
Which country will that be in the near future, i forsee alot of countries turning out like this. I'm looking to move as Canada is pissing me off recently.
where is that?!?! Shangri-la??
Not in the anglo-saxonian countries I presume?
There's no such thing as freedom of speech.
there is no such thing as freedom in the first place -_-
you have just hurt mr William Wallace's feelings.
Please do tell the name of such a haven.
Pacific Ocean
Outer Haven or Japan
north corea :P (as long as it is not said out loud)
The Netherlands.
Japan.
These are the only two countries in the civilised world that I know of, and in both cases there are conditions. In the Netherlands it can't be too realistic, and in Japan it can't have pubic hair or genitals, although in both cases actual prosecutions are rare.
The funny thing is, in RCMP's press conference for this "Project Salvo", they stated:
[“These on-line images and videos contain real victims—real children being sexually abused,” added Chief Constable Derek Egan, Saanich Police. “These arrests are important for many reasons-the partnership aspect, the number of arrests and the message that it sends. We will not be deterred from protecting children and making the Internet a safer place for everyone.” ] - http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/ncecc-cncee/20090326-eng.htm
...What happened to "these online images and video contain real victims-real children being sexually abused" ?
I mean, if he was actually charged for the 3 REAL cp. Yes, I believe he deserves it. If he is being prodded for the 1900+ drawings, then what a douche this government is being.
On the other hand however, I have an odd suspicion that the media is playing around to generate even more headlines and heat. "Man arrested for 3 photos of CP" or "Man arrested for cartoon drawings." I'm not sure what to believe.
I don't think he "deserves it" if he only had three.
He could have had them for any reasons - it could have simply been his children without clothes ('CP'...), or it could have been real CP but ones that were planted amongst the loli-files he had downloaded. As long as we don't know the circumstances, we don't know whether he deserves to be punished or not.
I guess those three pics were completely harmless or he would've been charged for them.
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Didn't US have a similar case not too long ago?
Yes, there was one. China has had a bit, The Filipines had something, I seem to remember another one in Europe... Oceania...
Hmmm... I guess we should stay the fuck away from the Earth then.
I don't like lolicon material, but if that's the way they are being treated, I may be next... So I guess I'd better put my support against censorship and retrograde political thinking.
I admit to have a fixation towards BDSM.
I'm avoiding the UK for now.
No one cares about the fixation, lol. Also, simply avoiding the laws is easy enough. Most lolicons should be able to go completely untouched by laws like this throughout their lives.
But I live in the Philippines nobody gets to Jail by possessing nude loli drawing or picture. Maybe having a sex with a 14 years old and below, that's a different matter.
cause this is the philippines the government doesnt care much about the people except when it comes to themselves its a different case?... this could be a possibility well once they want to do something... it might lead to this then i dont know what cause one would think how the hell would the law enforcement work anyway
@Altair
http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/11/20/philippines-life-sentence-for-loli-manga/
http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/04/15/philippines-bans-loli-hentai-is-child-pornography/
Yeah, it was a guy importing loli manga though.
But I'm stuck in Sweden! You do I do? D:
You forgot Australia, stay away from there too
Around 2000? Pitiful. I have at least 8000.
8000?? HA! i have over 9000
WHAT 9000?!?!
I was certain anon would take the bite. :D
Over 9000?? Pfff, I have over 15532!! And in Poland NOONE gonna sue me for them, hell, even if it would be banned(which won't happen in some next 20-30 years) some $$ to locals I would be untouchable in this case.
BTW, ppl imprisoned child rapes can be castrated, and that's why there are low child rapes numbers in Poland, which leads to no media CP boom, which leads to no loli ban. Easy as pie
Over 9000!?!
doesn't anyone else wonder if the other pictures were even bad?
you forgot one...... wait i think you know it too you american racist trash... and you think that this hasn't happened were you live... as if.. This why i wouldn't wont a american flag on my backpack when i travel the world... ill be kill the first place i go, even if was the good old USA...
I'm not sure I understood everything you said, but I'm fairly sure it's considered normal not to carry around your national flag with you when you travel abroad.
I'm not sure I understood everything you said, but I'm fairly sure it's considered normal not to carry around your national flag with you when you travel abroad.
Canadian here. It's time to get rid of Stephen Harper (our messed up Prime Minister) and start destroying the Westminister System (British style political system) in our country. It's the only way to legalize lolicon in Canada.
P.S. No American style presidential system please.
I would much rather have Harper as PM than Jack Layton or that retard Ignatieff. Though in this particular case I doubt it would have made any difference what political party was in power.
You do know that British style politics in Ottawa is killing Canada from the inside. Getting rid of the Westminster system is at least helping Canada a little. As long as we don't adopt the American system.
I support none of the above. I miss Chretien and the way he used to give chokeholds to protesters!
I concur. I loved the way he talked english. The man was an icon.
Francophones claim he sounds just as retarded when attemping to speak in French.
At least he's got a killer chokehold.
Almost Vader-level.
I'm going to get jailed for my loli mangas? :<
where you from lol chances are we might get jailed and meet in a british prison if so see you then. so much loli manga hate in england
Oh wow. I predict that in near future dawning children will have more rights and be more protected than real ones. In fact, the future is now.
They take away the human rights of real people and give them to imaginary people.
well in this case my answer would be...
2D loli = WIN, they are lovable and even fapable
3D real life child = FAIL, anoying as fuck, they smell, they cry, and you go to jail... DO NOT WANT!!!
that should settle it
Fixed
Loli Manga is not Child Porn!
Stop ruining my dreams as an Otaku!
You stupid Loli Manga haters! >:O
The higher-ups running the country are a bunch of insecure, paranoid, and ignorant fools who have unclean souls...
That's why they try to play "Hero" to feel good knowing in the end of their life's thread they will be reborn as a f*cking microbe in a cow's ass for threatening anime and associating it with all kinds of blatant, evident-less and illogically irrational accusations...
Ugh...I lost my appetite knowing the fools running a country can just accuse you of something like this without doing their homework...
No, they are usually pedosexuals THEMSELVES who are using their 'hatred of pedosexuality' to cover up the fact that they are going out and forcibly raping/blacmailing children into sex!
Seriously, remember the judges who got caught in 2000 who were giving out HARSH sentences to pedosexuals..... only to find out that they were having sex with 6 year olds and YOUNGER down in Arizona somewhere!
It's simply time to realize that pedosexuality and yes, even having sex with children, as long as they are WILLING participants is? N O R M A L! What does that spell? NORMAL!
I agree that pedosexuality is normal, just like any other sexuality. However, children are too young to be consenting...
poor loli's
"He was also ordered not have unattended contact with children under 14, and to submit a sample of his DNA to the state."
Like he interested in real girls in the first place.
Stupid law and justice system bastards.
Go punish people who plays violent games that cuts people from limbs to limbs for murder, go punish people who breaks traffic law in games, go punish those people who burns down house and town in strategy game for arson, go punish people who destroyed a civilization in games for crime against humanity.
All of them are idiots who could not separate fantasy from reality.
I'd do them a deal - you send me a loli, and I'll send her back with a sample of my DNA.
lol
better not get caught
dont forget the ones that conquerd the whole universe
millions of dead people
Poor Bastard.....What will they do next.....
Wow, people are becoming increasingly stupid at an incredible pace.
“to call them cartoons is to trivialize them.”
This quote made me hit my head against the wall.
It's like saying I am a zoophiliac for having pictures of cats on my computer.
I lost faith in the justice system ever since the whole "Rapelay" incident a couple of years ago...
We can only stay strong and hope that these old and ignorant morons will perish with their paranoia...
I wish there was an "Outer Heaven" for anime and hentai fans...
Every country is just so messed up with their rules that they twist and bend...
It's...Disgusting...
Yeah! Not to mention that people can kill each other in real-life as long as there is no violence in cartoons and comic books.
And in many countries murders, rapists, alcoholics, bandits and mafia members (who often are mixed with politicians) have more rights than normal folks.
What is this world coming to?!
I guess if the world doesn't end in 2013, it's only going to get worse with these ignorant and paranoid f*ckers running the country and arresting anyone just to get a bloody raise in their rank and feel good that they 'saved' innocent people from the bad guys...
2012 21th of decembre
"We will forsake our countries. We will leave our motherlands behind us and become one with this earth. We have no nation, no philosophy, no ideology.
We fap when we need it, fapping not for country, not for the government, but for ourselves. We need no reason to fap. We fap because it is needed.
We will be the salvation for those with no other recourse. We are otakus without borders, our purpose defined by the era we live in.
We will sometimes have to sell ourselves and services. If the times demand it, we'll be revolutionaries, criminals. And yes, we may all be retardely judged straight to pedos.
But what better place for us is than this?
It is our only home.
Our heaven and our hell.
This is Hentai Heaven."
Outer Heaven? I heard that in Metal Gear Peace Walker it's Big Boss Base I think.
That's just fucking sick!
It will not be long before saying "Hi" will be considered sexual harassment and looking at a person under 21 years old will become child abuse.
It's even more fucked-up compared to articles such as this one:
http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2010/03/14/islamic-child-marriages-legal-in-canada/
(I guess it's about the same Canada...)
The world is going insane!
>:-[
So remember kids, always encrypt your illegal porn and hide it somewhere!
Encryption is illegal in Britfagland...
Even so, it's a lesser crime than owning 'child porn'... and also easier to justify.
I don't know.
You fail to cough up those encryption keys, that's 25 years already...
"Honestly, I don't remember the key anymore sir!"
Actually, it's only 2 years for not revealing your keys, except in the case of suspected terrorist offences or national security-related matters. Plus, you can't be regisitered as a sex offender either. So on balance, it's probably worth it.
A challenge to that law illegalizing encryption would have that law thrown out immediately. Seriously, the asshats pass these laws KNOWING that usually people will not have the 'resources' or 'iron balls' like I have to challenge these things.
Illegalize encryption? Hah, like the government doesnt use crypto as well.
Canada sucks anyway...
They pulled this stunt in the US as well, they probably got the idea from us.
...And yet more abuse of the sex offender's list.
i'm pretty sure if he had 0 pictures of CP instead of 3 he could get out of it with a good defense but those 3 screw him over and take away a lot of what he can say in his defense, of course it depends on the circumstances which none of us know but the media is know to blow things out of proportion
Its been a well known fact that Canada is shit for quite some time already.
They've got one of the most dangerous insecure and unstable systems going on regarding this kind of things.
You could easily be arrest any day of the week for nothing, minding your own business? Bam, government at your door for some retarded shit.
A lot of countries have retarded laws, some act like retards, Canada however has retarded laws and applies them very well like in this case.
I feel for you Canadian taxpayers, look at what your money is wasted.
I WOULD DEFEND THIS THING IN COURT
OR DIE TRYING
All you guys are doing is posting snide comments. How do we actually do something that'll change our world?
Yeah, accepting kira as your god may help.
no haruhi is god
UH..... kill every single person that doesn't realize that pedosexuality is a NORMAL sexuality that has been around since man evolved on this planet?
That's really beginning to be the ONLY thing that I think is going to stop this crap: sane people like myself and my friends (who are not all pedosexuals but realize that it is normal) wiping out the churches and the people who think that children 'need their protection' from sex.
That would be counter-productive. The abuse of power is the problem here, not faulty mindsets. Best thing to do is to either fight the laws, or move to countries that don't have them.
Guess it's my turn to apologize on behalf of fucked thinking in the courts.
Still, it does manage to uphold what I have always said. Call yourself lolicon or whatever term floats your boat, but in a courtroom YOUR opinion is NOT the one that will be deciding YOUR fate.
If you need to fuck your hand while looking at 2d, don't complain when your choice of visual aids could have been better chosen.
Thing is, they label anything child porn these days.
I don't consider nude pictures of middle schoolers and high schoolers quite the same as pictures of people UNDER 13.
But in a courtroom, MY opinion isn't what matters.
Now you know another good reason for 3d.
Surprisingly, I can fuck the real thing safer than I can masturbate to pictures of it.
It's a weird world.
BOYCOTT CANADA!!
Isn't there ONE SANE Canadian government official who's honestly thinks 2D Loli characters aren't REAL KIDS and this whole thing is ASISINE!?
"Isn't there ONE SANE Canadian..."
TL;DR.
If they didn't then they wouldn't express that they did. It would get a negative response from the public. Government isn't the only problem, society is the problem as well. Laws are based on the morals and views of the majority of society. The problem is that the majority of people are idiots.
like they say
"protect THE KIDS" even if there fictional...
heh do they have evidence stating that these loli's are genuine (under aged) and not legal lolis?
of a nationwide campaign, only 70 searches and 57 arrests? seems kinda low to me.
then again, these type of crackdowns aren't really supposed to impact anything other than give the authorizes a sense of fulfillment in that they are actually doing something, and scaring otaku on the internet because of the stuff they have on their computers.
do some real work police. shit.
Can someone confirm if loli is legal in the UK?
It's illegal. Though people are trying to get it repealed.
Loli manga/anime and material with loli scheme are forbidden in Poland.
But the law can't affect those possesing loli material before the law was announced.Good that I have my won collection of anime loli manga/pictures 21GB. And I downloaded them 2 weeks before the law was changed ;P
Crap, didn't knew
THX for info(deletes whole lolicon collection)
Or you could use encryption, like TrueCrypt. Pick a strong password and no unauthorized person without a supercomputer can recover it.
This is why I don't download NC-17 pictures. :E If it's online, you could always visit it from the source.
Still gets downloaded and cached.
To call them cartoons is to call them what they are.
To compare them to CP is to trivialise *real* child abuse.
I wish I could just raise a fucking landmass out of the crust and found it as a nation where only people with common sense can gain citizenship.
You know, people who can tell the difference between a cartoon and a real child, with real problems, and REAL FEELINGS.
So he's one of the few tested, certified non-pedophiles, yet he's not allowed to be in unattended contact with children. Even if he wouldn't want to, that's needlessly punitive since it could land him back in court in a flash due to factors beyond his control.
...and a registered sex offender! For not doing anything to anyone! Am I to believe he had a 3-photo stash of CP? Bullshit - it probably just didn't have logos to trace it back to the site it was from so they went "unverified age - it's kids!"
What bullshit...
Hehehe all you kiddyfuckers are going to jail! all you kiddy fuckers are going to jail!
Yup, and all you reatrds that post this kind of thing, and just elft a trail, will be back traced for being on such horrible sites and targeted as well. Welcome to the club troll.
This denial of lolicon not being child pornography isn't working . A couple of more cases like this and people might get head out of their asses .
wtf......i.....don't even *face palm*
*Sigh* looks like they need more excuses to arrest people. People in canada must be very bored
A sex offender?! Really?! They're just drawings. Calling them cartoons isn't being trivial, it's being real.
I agree. It's time for people to get angry and loud with the courts over this, but unfortunately when you put children and sex in the same sentence, for most people their brains drip out of their heads like they never even had one.
It's time to realize that since children are BORN with FULLY-FUNCTIONAL genitals outside of reproduction, they are supposed to be having sex from birth or soon afterwards.
Since there is no 'forcefield' between adults and children's genitalia, it's also kinda obvious that children and adults are SUPPOSED to be having sex together.
This is NOT about protecting children in the slightest. This is about asshat adults who think that they have the right to tell children what they do with their own bodies, which they do NOT in the slightest, since children are not welded to their hips.
If you want to prevent children from being forced into sex against their will? Bust their IGNORANCE as soon as possible, as I did with my children, and tell them what the fuck sex is!
You're a sick monster. People should only be having sex after they enter puberty.
If I knew your identity, I'd petition to have your children taken away from you.
Actually, can anyone help me find out who this guy is?
Firstly, you're probably right. If 'natural = right', that is. When children enter puberty, they should be having sex.
However, having a differing mindset hardly makes one a 'sick monster', and I see no justification for such condemnation.
They are basically saying the rights of a real child are as important as a drawing's. Now that's trivial.
Let's face it. He didn't hurt anyone, and they have no proof he hurt anyone. I hate to beat a dead horse, but the only thing he has been convicted of is thought crimes.
So, if I draw loli manga then give it to someone in America and Canada. Then I can send them to prison... Hmmm... Interesting. I shall call it Prison Note.
This is just getting ridiculous. Note to self: Hide my Dance in the Vampire Bund manga.
Keep in mind that he DID have actual child porn, and that he had 2000 images of (admittedly fictional) girls being beaten and raped.
Also keep in mind that this man was actually discovered and targeted by police.
Just keep your head down, don't download too many rape doujins, and no one will care if you have Dance in the Vampire Bund or Kodomo no Jikan.
You can get 3 real pics by going on 4chan once (stored in cache). I'd say it was probably out of his control. Otherwise, why settle at 3 pics?
keep in mind it was only 3 which could mean he was surfing the web and has cache could of picked up by accident, also the case "focused" on the loli and the psychiatric said he "couldn't be deemed a pedophile" which makes it clearer that the chance that the so call "real" CP he had on has system could of:-
A) be in has cache from website visits (4chan,imageboards,etc)
B) could of been has kids taking a bath *he was 27 can't rule out if he may or may not have children*
C)women who look young, *they exist*
D) just some kids in clothing or bikinis that they consider CP *can't rule that out*
you got to remember, that not every site is safe, visiting a site downloads all the images and data on that page onto your system and many image boards (a lot have assholes putting real kiddie porn up for the laughs), have idiots that upload real cp which can be saved in your cache and fuck you up, plus they said "considered child porn" not "actually" child porn among the three so we can not really deem that the so call pictures as legit, there was a case on sankaku about a guy who downloaded CP by accident on limewire when the file said "girls gone wild", the FBI kicked in has door a year later, even after he deleted the files, the info was still on has drive, plus seriously if he was a real pedo, why couldn't they deem him one and why only 3 images ? since when do pedophiles have only three images ?
"[...]he had 2000 images of (admittedly fictional) girls being beaten and raped." Not so, good man. You're embellishing the available information. I've checked some sources, and I've seen no evidence that he had rape, bdsm, or any other themes considered hardcore. While those may be common themes, this man may have actively filtered them out, possibly leaving himself with nearly 2000 pictures of pure, innocent lolis playing in fields of sunflowers.
... OR you could download whatever you want, and encrypt the files. Your choice.
The 3 pictures of 'real CP' (albeit we don't know whether they REALLY are CP or just some lame pictures of naked children) could have simply been files planted amongst some loli images he had downloaded. Also, there's no way he would stop at 3 if he really wanted those pictures.
But what were the 'real pics' of? Evne here in the USA it can be considered CP if the chick is 17, compeltely dressed, but acting sexy or posed sexy.
Were I the artist of the pictures, I would want the guy's lawyer to call me up. I would testify the girls in the drawings were 18. lol of course I can't even draw stick people so that wont come up.
I am all for lolis but if the dude did have pictures of real child porn then that will make me lose all sympathy for the guy.
So 1,971 fictional victims he violated on the internet in Canada?
The problem here is that 3 of them weren't drawings...
It makes it a lot harder to defend loli drawings when they're mixed in with real pictures, since it gives people an excuse to draw a relation between the two.
...no pun intended.
tho those three pics can be proven as a accidnet then again, listening to reason is not something countries like this do.
And if those three were just various 17 year olds just hanging around looking sexy? Which makes it more odd since the last I heard the aoc was 14 in Canada.
Google is watching you, so behave.
Google chrome is a spyware system so advanced that the internet police in you country is watching your moves right now!
No, they are not. The fact is that Google Chrome sends NOTHING back that other people cannot get through other browsers, like even Firefox.
“To call them cartoons is to trivialize them.” And to call them child pornography is overreacting. Poor guy fell victim to idiocy of law.
This is actually getting really scary. Someone could have their entire life ruined by the state because of what kind of art they have in their house?
It is soooo wrong.They have just given things rights like humans have.If possesing loli art is CP, then what about this stuff in sex shops?If someone buy dildo and use it should he/she be treaten like rapist because he/she fucked it without its agreement and what about sellers and manufacturers?
So what if some poor guy had about 2000 pics on his PC?He should put it like that:
"You know may be I'm downloading this pictures then take my hard drive and crush it with hammer and it makes me feel good.I feel like I have just cleaned world even if it's just a little bit.And whats more important there no such law that prohibits this."
And if those f*ckers still insist on fact that regardless of a reason he had it and looked at it then they should go to jail too because they looked at and studied every one of this pics.
PS:sorry for my bad english its not my language :D
I remember the days when being considered a paedophile meant you had been, or were currently engaged with, sexual intercourse with an individual under the legal age of consent.
Honestly, though; this is getting ri-god-damn-diculous. The moment the governments reign the real perverts into line, they go right on ahead in stamping out the figurative perverts as well.
That's it; if not even Canada is safe anymore, I'm moving to Point Nemo.
They haven't reigned anyone into line. The fact is that pedosexuals are STILL having sex with children all over the world, usually with the parents knowledge or consent.
They are just trying to make it APPEAR that pedosexuality is a 'deviant' sexuality so that they have a 'boogie man' to scare society with, in order to make them give up their rights.
I guess you're not in line with the plan to chemically castrate any new parents so they aren't able to enjoy potentially sexually abusing their kids then? It's not mandatory - you can still have your kids taken away and be registered as a sex offender if you choose to keep the ability to have sex...
Loli is illegal in Canada? It's still legal in the US right?
No. And hasn't been in a long long time. Just like you can get busted for having a pic of a kid, fully dressed, on your PC is soem retard thinks it's porn.
WRONG! Read the latest United States Code on the subject. The fact is that lolicon artwork is L E G A L in the United States, unless you are talking about obscenity laws which NO ONE cares about, not even usually the police, because everyone knows that one challenge to those laws and NULL AND VOID!
Those obscenity laws are BLATANTLY unconstitutional, and even the COPS know it, which is why you rarely see them using it except when someone is pleading guilty to a 'lesser charge'.
WRONG! Read this:
http://www.myfoxdc.com/dpp/news/local/101909_man_caught_making_coffee_naked_faces_charges
Humanity has laws which BLATANTLY fuck us over.
There is no future for reason...
WRONG AGAIN! That law was NOT CHALLENGED in that case, and it is still on appeal to the Supreme Court, where it WILL be thrown out.
We WILL see about THAT!
But seriously can you even imagine how much headache that guy had because some stupid trespassing bitch saw him in his own house at 6:00am? Legal fees, good reputation ruined, it's been a long time since I read about that but if recall correctly he even got fired from work and lost or was about to lose custody of his daughter because of that shit.
Even though he said that he doesn't usually walk around at home naked, especially if his daughter and/or other people are there. He was alone in his house and just making coffee very early in the morning when he turned the light on... Since it's dark outside obviously trespassing criminals will be able to see him clearly... Fuck this world and it's retards.
Almost as bad as getting the death sentence for sorcery in the Saudi Arabia...
They're just seasoned dungeon crawlers in Saudi-Arabia.
If D&D has taught me anything, it's to kill the casters first.
This is an excerpt from a paper discussing virtual child porn, link: http://ro.uow.edu.au/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1199&context=artspapers
`The Canadian Supreme Court, on the other hand, has been more conservative than the
U.S. Supreme Court and has accepted the legitimacy of virtual child pornography only for
purely private use. That is, an individual can create and record any fantasies s/he likes but if
these fantasies include persons under the age of 18, then the individual cannot publish or
disseminate them without committing an offence.`
So as long as you keep your loli drawing hobby a secret its technicaly legal :P
Note to self, remove all hentai from harddrive before moving to Ottawa next year...
Yet again, as soon as this guy appeals the ruling, it will be thrown out. There are NUMEROUS reasons why this law even in Canada is illegal and against their version of the American Constitution.
Canada fails as usual.
This is so wrong.
This pretty much makes all hentai (manga or anime) a crime. Most hentai is basically school schenarios, but since they just base a drawn character's age by "looks" any hentai could be counted.
Is there an actual law saying "Japanese hentai is illegal"? If there isn't they might as well make one so that it's at least clear that none of the manga/anime is subject to interpretation... and while they are at it, they might as well ban all manga/anime completely because very often you get inappropriate touching/pushing in manga/anime that _could_ be viewed as sexual... Especially since most anime is about (or at least include) teenagers.
This is just fucking insane.
By thier fucking logic all Japanese men are pedos who should go to jail. I bet a huge % of them read/watch hentai and all of them watch anime (it would be pretty hard to avoid it completely there even if you wanted to).
fuck... just imagine... a person could go to jail without having done anyone harm and without even knowing he was breaking the law... 1984 is starting to sound like utopia... at least you'd know what was forbidden...
“To call them cartoons is to trivialize them.”
Soo... then what are they? Photos? I think legal systems the world over need a reality check.
As a Canadian, I am deeply worried for my safety.
I wonder how long until an otaku demands to be recognized for his relationship to a stuffed pillow of his favorite character--all based on the Canadian notion that 'Calling them cartoons trivializes them'. Canada may be opening a Pandora's box of recognition that it (and most of us) just don't want.
They would have a very hard time calling one person a sexual offender solely on the notion of a cartoon, and not allowing someone calling his pillow fantasy of (an over-21 figure, of course) an anime figure as his wife/girlfriend. And... really... do you want to eat dinner at the Olive Garden next to THAT?
Putting actual loli manga and all aside. Eroge nowadays from time to time has characters that are really loli looking even if they aren't under the age of 18. Take for example, Rinrin from Koihime. That shouldn't be illegal given that you know how all eroge nowadays have the whole, "ALL CHARACTERS IN THIS PRODUCT IS OVER THE AGE OF 18" etc?
wow that's just extreme waaay to extreme.
Man fuck Canada
i mean im not that into lolicon(prepubescent lolis that is) but dont get me wrong i like lolis just as much as the next guy but this is an infringement on basic civil rights...
are we seriously going to do this again? have these people no decency? its evident that there is no limit to their cruelty, they'll steal 20 years of a mans life for drawings under the guise of justice....McCarthyism is alive and well in north america
Obscenity laws in the United States, the guy got caught guilty on obscenity laws. Slightly different from whats going on here. Far as I can remember.
Right in one. Contrary to what an earlier poster posted, there is NOT a federal law that says that lolicon artwork is illegal.
In fact, the NEWEST law passed after the last one was thrown out specifically exempted from the Protect Act drawn and 3DCG stuff UNLESS it was photographically indistinguishable from a real-life picture.
Even then, if you had 'making of' picture of it? You're off the hook.
does this mean we can arrest tolken and rowling for producing child porn too? i mean, hobbits can be argued to have a childlike stature... and hairy pothead and his happy friends are in some.. questionable situations too
I'm sure they could have saved at least more one child if they used their resources for that instead.
How fucked up the world can get? O_O
Let's take a closer look at it: Why was the law created in the first place? Yes, to protect the children from abuse, because in theory, with no demand, there would be no supply. Nothing wrong with that.
But tell me, exactly how many innocent children's lives were destroyed during drawing of the loli stuff? Yea, NONE... So what the F*? Would you arrest an actor for imitating a murder? Looks like you should. I just can't wait for the news about somebody beeing sentenced because he dared to TALK! about nasty things like that. Seems like we are not so far from it now.
>because he dared to TALK! about nasty things like that
I think a lot of countries ban every medial form of loli, including written, spoken(audiobook) and maybe even an interpretive dance performed by adults who "move" like children. Mime child porn with adult actors behaving like children? This is going to be fuuuun~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ir8BO4-7DkM
If would love to know if a judge would deem above clip child pornography if it would have been drawn in anime style.
What would interest me is how all those anti-virtual cp laws would handle a case of a guy who paid an artist to draw virtual child pornography but never got to see it.
so.. its okay to marry an 8 year old, but if you have drawn cartoons of an 8 year old (who looks nothing like an 8 year old) than you are charged with the same sentence of molesting a child.
MAKES PERFECT SENSE!
child pornography is wrong but loli is perfectly fine if someone was going to be a pedophile they would probally have closer to 50 or images of actually real ife kids under the age of 18 naked or sugestive secondly i know plenty of girls who are 20-25 that look like theyre some where between 16 and 18 so how do we know that the 3 pics that were considered cp wasnt just pics of people over the age of 18 that simply look really young