A Canadian man has been convicted of possessing child pornography on the basis of some 2,000 sexually provocative drawings. Courts heard that “to call them cartoons is to trivialize them.”
As part of a 2009 crackdown on underage pornography circulated on the internet, Canadian police launched a nationwide campaign, executing 70 search warrants, which resulted in 57 arrests.
Ottawa police searched the computer of a 27-year-old man, finding 1,974 images they considered child pornography – 1,971 of which were drawings.
Courts later found him guilty, and he has just been sentenced.
A state prosecutor condemned him as a vile child pornographer on the basis of the illustrations – “To call them cartoons is to trivialize them.”
However, a court-ordered psychiatric evaluation was forced to concede he could not be considered a paedophile.
He has been sentenced to a 90-day prison sentence, to be served on weekends, and will be on probation for 3 years as well as being listed as a registered sex offender for the next 20 years.
He was also ordered not have unattended contact with children under 14, and to submit a sample of his DNA to the state.
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Google is watching you, so behave.
Google chrome is a spyware system so advanced that the internet police in you country is watching your moves right now!
No, they are not. The fact is that Google Chrome sends NOTHING back that other people cannot get through other browsers, like even Firefox.
“To call them cartoons is to trivialize them.” And to call them child pornography is overreacting. Poor guy fell victim to idiocy of law.
It is soooo wrong.They have just given things rights like humans have.If possesing loli art is CP, then what about this stuff in sex shops?If someone buy dildo and use it should he/she be treaten like rapist because he/she fucked it without its agreement and what about sellers and manufacturers?
So what if some poor guy had about 2000 pics on his PC?He should put it like that:
"You know may be I'm downloading this pictures then take my hard drive and crush it with hammer and it makes me feel good.I feel like I have just cleaned world even if it's just a little bit.And whats more important there no such law that prohibits this."
And if those f*ckers still insist on fact that regardless of a reason he had it and looked at it then they should go to jail too because they looked at and studied every one of this pics.
PS:sorry for my bad english its not my language :D
This is actually getting really scary. Someone could have their entire life ruined by the state because of what kind of art they have in their house?
The problem here is that 3 of them weren't drawings...
It makes it a lot harder to defend loli drawings when they're mixed in with real pictures, since it gives people an excuse to draw a relation between the two.
...no pun intended.
tho those three pics can be proven as a accidnet then again, listening to reason is not something countries like this do.
And if those three were just various 17 year olds just hanging around looking sexy? Which makes it more odd since the last I heard the aoc was 14 in Canada.
I am all for lolis but if the dude did have pictures of real child porn then that will make me lose all sympathy for the guy.
if you've ever visited 4chan, and haven't gotten a new computer, or at least a new HDD/fresh windows install (format is not enough). chances are you too are in possession of child pornography, since it doesn't matter if you actually saw it, a web page downloads all the thumbnails when you open it, meaning its in your possession even if you don't know its there.
So 1,971 fictional victims he violated on the internet in Canada?
I remember the days when being considered a paedophile meant you had been, or were currently engaged with, sexual intercourse with an individual under the legal age of consent.
Honestly, though; this is getting ri-god-damn-diculous. The moment the governments reign the real perverts into line, they go right on ahead in stamping out the figurative perverts as well.
That's it; if not even Canada is safe anymore, I'm moving to Point Nemo.
I guess you're not in line with the plan to chemically castrate any new parents so they aren't able to enjoy potentially sexually abusing their kids then? It's not mandatory - you can still have your kids taken away and be registered as a sex offender if you choose to keep the ability to have sex...
They haven't reigned anyone into line. The fact is that pedosexuals are STILL having sex with children all over the world, usually with the parents knowledge or consent.
They are just trying to make it APPEAR that pedosexuality is a 'deviant' sexuality so that they have a 'boogie man' to scare society with, in order to make them give up their rights.
Loli is illegal in Canada? It's still legal in the US right?
No. And hasn't been in a long long time. Just like you can get busted for having a pic of a kid, fully dressed, on your PC is soem retard thinks it's porn.
WRONG! Read the latest United States Code on the subject. The fact is that lolicon artwork is L E G A L in the United States, unless you are talking about obscenity laws which NO ONE cares about, not even usually the police, because everyone knows that one challenge to those laws and NULL AND VOID!
Those obscenity laws are BLATANTLY unconstitutional, and even the COPS know it, which is why you rarely see them using it except when someone is pleading guilty to a 'lesser charge'.
They're just seasoned dungeon crawlers in Saudi-Arabia.
If D&D has taught me anything, it's to kill the casters first.
WRONG! Read this:
http://www.myfoxdc.com/dpp/news/local/101909_man_caught_making_coffee_naked_faces_charges
Humanity has laws which BLATANTLY fuck us over.
There is no future for reason...
WRONG AGAIN! That law was NOT CHALLENGED in that case, and it is still on appeal to the Supreme Court, where it WILL be thrown out.
We WILL see about THAT!
But seriously can you even imagine how much headache that guy had because some stupid trespassing bitch saw him in his own house at 6:00am? Legal fees, good reputation ruined, it's been a long time since I read about that but if recall correctly he even got fired from work and lost or was about to lose custody of his daughter because of that shit.
Even though he said that he doesn't usually walk around at home naked, especially if his daughter and/or other people are there. He was alone in his house and just making coffee very early in the morning when he turned the light on... Since it's dark outside obviously trespassing criminals will be able to see him clearly... Fuck this world and it's retards.
Almost as bad as getting the death sentence for sorcery in the Saudi Arabia...
Note to self, remove all hentai from harddrive before moving to Ottawa next year...
This is an excerpt from a paper discussing virtual child porn, link: http://ro.uow.edu.au/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1199&context=artspapers [http://ro.uow.edu.au/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1199&context=artspapers]
`The Canadian Supreme Court, on the other hand, has been more conservative than the
U.S. Supreme Court and has accepted the legitimacy of virtual child pornography only for
purely private use. That is, an individual can create and record any fantasies s/he likes but if
these fantasies include persons under the age of 18, then the individual cannot publish or
disseminate them without committing an offence.`
So as long as you keep your loli drawing hobby a secret its technicaly legal :P
Were I the artist of the pictures, I would want the guy's lawyer to call me up. I would testify the girls in the drawings were 18. lol of course I can't even draw stick people so that wont come up.
This is just getting ridiculous. Note to self: Hide my Dance in the Vampire Bund manga.
So, if I draw loli manga then give it to someone in America and Canada. Then I can send them to prison... Hmmm... Interesting. I shall call it Prison Note.
They are basically saying the rights of a real child are as important as a drawing's. Now that's trivial.
Let's face it. He didn't hurt anyone, and they have no proof he hurt anyone. I hate to beat a dead horse, but the only thing he has been convicted of is thought crimes.
This denial of lolicon not being child pornography isn't working . A couple of more cases like this and people might get head out of their asses .
wtf......i.....don't even *face palm*
Hehehe all you kiddyfuckers are going to jail! all you kiddy fuckers are going to jail!
Yup, and all you reatrds that post this kind of thing, and just elft a trail, will be back traced for being on such horrible sites and targeted as well. Welcome to the club troll.
*Sigh* looks like they need more excuses to arrest people. People in canada must be very bored
A sex offender?! Really?! They're just drawings. Calling them cartoons isn't being trivial, it's being real.
I agree. It's time for people to get angry and loud with the courts over this, but unfortunately when you put children and sex in the same sentence, for most people their brains drip out of their heads like they never even had one.
It's time to realize that since children are BORN with FULLY-FUNCTIONAL genitals outside of reproduction, they are supposed to be having sex from birth or soon afterwards.
Since there is no 'forcefield' between adults and children's genitalia, it's also kinda obvious that children and adults are SUPPOSED to be having sex together.
This is NOT about protecting children in the slightest. This is about asshat adults who think that they have the right to tell children what they do with their own bodies, which they do NOT in the slightest, since children are not welded to their hips.
If you want to prevent children from being forced into sex against their will? Bust their IGNORANCE as soon as possible, as I did with my children, and tell them what the fuck sex is!
You're a sick monster. People should only be having sex after they enter puberty.
If I knew your identity, I'd petition to have your children taken away from you.
Actually, can anyone help me find out who this guy is?
Firstly, you're probably right. If 'natural = right', that is. When children enter puberty, they should be having sex.
However, having a differing mindset hardly makes one a 'sick monster', and I see no justification for such condemnation.
Keep in mind that he DID have actual child porn, and that he had 2000 images of (admittedly fictional) girls being beaten and raped.
Also keep in mind that this man was actually discovered and targeted by police.
Just keep your head down, don't download too many rape doujins, and no one will care if you have Dance in the Vampire Bund or Kodomo no Jikan.
... OR you could download whatever you want, and encrypt the files. Your choice.
The 3 pictures of 'real CP' (albeit we don't know whether they REALLY are CP or just some lame pictures of naked children) could have simply been files planted amongst some loli images he had downloaded. Also, there's no way he would stop at 3 if he really wanted those pictures.
"[...]he had 2000 images of (admittedly fictional) girls being beaten and raped." Not so, good man. You're embellishing the available information. I've checked some sources, and I've seen no evidence that he had rape, bdsm, or any other themes considered hardcore. While those may be common themes, this man may have actively filtered them out, possibly leaving himself with nearly 2000 pictures of pure, innocent lolis playing in fields of sunflowers.
But what were the 'real pics' of? Evne here in the USA it can be considered CP if the chick is 17, compeltely dressed, but acting sexy or posed sexy.
keep in mind it was only 3 which could mean he was surfing the web and has cache could of picked up by accident, also the case "focused" on the loli and the psychiatric said he "couldn't be deemed a pedophile" which makes it clearer that the chance that the so call "real" CP he had on has system could of:-
A) be in has cache from website visits (4chan,imageboards,etc)
B) could of been has kids taking a bath *he was 27 can't rule out if he may or may not have children*
C)women who look young, *they exist*
D) just some kids in clothing or bikinis that they consider CP *can't rule that out*
you got to remember, that not every site is safe, visiting a site downloads all the images and data on that page onto your system and many image boards (a lot have assholes putting real kiddie porn up for the laughs), have idiots that upload real cp which can be saved in your cache and fuck you up, plus they said "considered child porn" not "actually" child porn among the three so we can not really deem that the so call pictures as legit, there was a case on sankaku about a guy who downloaded CP by accident on limewire when the file said "girls gone wild", the FBI kicked in has door a year later, even after he deleted the files, the info was still on has drive, plus seriously if he was a real pedo, why couldn't they deem him one and why only 3 images ? since when do pedophiles have only three images ?
You can get 3 real pics by going on 4chan once (stored in cache). I'd say it was probably out of his control. Otherwise, why settle at 3 pics?
Obscenity laws in the United States, the guy got caught guilty on obscenity laws. Slightly different from whats going on here. Far as I can remember.
Right in one. Contrary to what an earlier poster posted, there is NOT a federal law that says that lolicon artwork is illegal.
In fact, the NEWEST law passed after the last one was thrown out specifically exempted from the Protect Act drawn and 3DCG stuff UNLESS it was photographically indistinguishable from a real-life picture.
Even then, if you had 'making of' picture of it? You're off the hook.
does this mean we can arrest tolken and rowling for producing child porn too? i mean, hobbits can be argued to have a childlike stature... and hairy pothead and his happy friends are in some.. questionable situations too
Man fuck Canada
i mean im not that into lolicon(prepubescent lolis that is) but dont get me wrong i like lolis just as much as the next guy but this is an infringement on basic civil rights...
are we seriously going to do this again? have these people no decency? its evident that there is no limit to their cruelty, they'll steal 20 years of a mans life for drawings under the guise of justice....McCarthyism is alive and well in north america
wow that's just extreme waaay to extreme.
child pornography is wrong but loli is perfectly fine if someone was going to be a pedophile they would probally have closer to 50 or images of actually real ife kids under the age of 18 naked or sugestive secondly i know plenty of girls who are 20-25 that look like theyre some where between 16 and 18 so how do we know that the 3 pics that were considered cp wasnt just pics of people over the age of 18 that simply look really young
The laws are getting more and more fucked everyday. Loli and Shota can't be considered illegal under CP laws because it doesn't affect any children whatsoever and there is no child abuse involved.
Plus, half of the people who determine that this stuff is illegal probably don't even watch Anime to begin with. For instance, say I have Bleach Hentai fan-art of Yachiru or Toshiro, A person who has never watched bleach would consider them CP because Yachiru and Toshiro both look to be about 10, but they are really 55 years old according to the actual storyline, So in fact their logic is thrown out the window because they don't understand anime like most anime fans do.
just my 2c
CANADA, WE SO POLITE
So let me get this straight, if it looks
so.. its okay to marry an 8 year old, but if you have drawn cartoons of an 8 year old (who looks nothing like an 8 year old) than you are charged with the same sentence of molesting a child.
MAKES PERFECT SENSE!
I'm sure they could have saved at least more one child if they used their resources for that instead.
How fucked up the world can get? O_O
Let's take a closer look at it: Why was the law created in the first place? Yes, to protect the children from abuse, because in theory, with no demand, there would be no supply. Nothing wrong with that.
But tell me, exactly how many innocent children's lives were destroyed during drawing of the loli stuff? Yea, NONE... So what the F*? Would you arrest an actor for imitating a murder? Looks like you should. I just can't wait for the news about somebody beeing sentenced because he dared to TALK! about nasty things like that. Seems like we are not so far from it now.
>because he dared to TALK! about nasty things like that
I think a lot of countries ban every medial form of loli, including written, spoken(audiobook) and maybe even an interpretive dance performed by adults who "move" like children. Mime child porn with adult actors behaving like children? This is going to be fuuuun~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ir8BO4-7DkM
If would love to know if a judge would deem above clip child pornography if it would have been drawn in anime style.
What would interest me is how all those anti-virtual cp laws would handle a case of a guy who paid an artist to draw virtual child pornography but never got to see it.
Putting actual loli manga and all aside. Eroge nowadays from time to time has characters that are really loli looking even if they aren't under the age of 18. Take for example, Rinrin from Koihime. That shouldn't be illegal given that you know how all eroge nowadays have the whole, "ALL CHARACTERS IN THIS PRODUCT IS OVER THE AGE OF 18" etc?
Canada fails as usual.
Yet again, as soon as this guy appeals the ruling, it will be thrown out. There are NUMEROUS reasons why this law even in Canada is illegal and against their version of the American Constitution.
This is so wrong.
This pretty much makes all hentai (manga or anime) a crime. Most hentai is basically school schenarios, but since they just base a drawn character's age by "looks" any hentai could be counted.
Is there an actual law saying "Japanese hentai is illegal"? If there isn't they might as well make one so that it's at least clear that none of the manga/anime is subject to interpretation... and while they are at it, they might as well ban all manga/anime completely because very often you get inappropriate touching/pushing in manga/anime that _could_ be viewed as sexual... Especially since most anime is about (or at least include) teenagers.
This is just fucking insane.
By thier fucking logic all Japanese men are pedos who should go to jail. I bet a huge % of them read/watch hentai and all of them watch anime (it would be pretty hard to avoid it completely there even if you wanted to).
fuck... just imagine... a person could go to jail without having done anyone harm and without even knowing he was breaking the law... 1984 is starting to sound like utopia... at least you'd know what was forbidden...
I wonder how long until an otaku demands to be recognized for his relationship to a stuffed pillow of his favorite character--all based on the Canadian notion that 'Calling them cartoons trivializes them'. Canada may be opening a Pandora's box of recognition that it (and most of us) just don't want.
They would have a very hard time calling one person a sexual offender solely on the notion of a cartoon, and not allowing someone calling his pillow fantasy of (an over-21 figure, of course) an anime figure as his wife/girlfriend. And... really... do you want to eat dinner at the Olive Garden next to THAT?
As a Canadian, I am deeply worried for my safety.
“To call them cartoons is to trivialize them.”
Soo... then what are they? Photos? I think legal systems the world over need a reality check.
Canadian here. It's time to get rid of Stephen Harper (our messed up Prime Minister) and start destroying the Westminister System (British style political system) in our country. It's the only way to legalize lolicon in Canada.
P.S. No American style presidential system please.
I would much rather have Harper as PM than Jack Layton or that retard Ignatieff. Though in this particular case I doubt it would have made any difference what political party was in power.
I support none of the above. I miss Chretien and the way he used to give chokeholds to protesters!
I concur. I loved the way he talked english. The man was an icon.
Francophones claim he sounds just as retarded when attemping to speak in French.
At least he's got a killer chokehold.
Almost Vader-level.
You do know that British style politics in Ottawa is killing Canada from the inside. Getting rid of the Westminster system is at least helping Canada a little. As long as we don't adopt the American system.
I'm going to get jailed for my loli mangas? :<
where you from lol chances are we might get jailed and meet in a british prison if so see you then. so much loli manga hate in england
Oh wow. I predict that in near future dawning children will have more rights and be more protected than real ones. In fact, the future is now.
They take away the human rights of real people and give them to imaginary people.
you forgot one...... wait i think you know it too you american racist trash... and you think that this hasn't happened were you live... as if.. This why i wouldn't wont a american flag on my backpack when i travel the world... ill be kill the first place i go, even if was the good old USA...
I'm not sure I understood everything you said, but I'm fairly sure it's considered normal not to carry around your national flag with you when you travel abroad.
I'm not sure I understood everything you said, but I'm fairly sure it's considered normal not to carry around your national flag with you when you travel abroad.
Around 2000? Pitiful. I have at least 8000.
8000?? HA! i have over 9000
Over 9000?? Pfff, I have over 15532!! And in Poland NOONE gonna sue me for them, hell, even if it would be banned(which won't happen in some next 20-30 years) some $$ to locals I would be untouchable in this case.
BTW, ppl imprisoned child rapes can be castrated, and that's why there are low child rapes numbers in Poland, which leads to no media CP boom, which leads to no loli ban. Easy as pie
Over 9000!?!
WHAT 9000?!?!
I was certain anon would take the bite. :D
doesn't anyone else wonder if the other pictures were even bad?
Poor Bastard.....What will they do next.....
Wow, people are becoming increasingly stupid at an incredible pace.
“to call them cartoons is to trivialize them.”
This quote made me hit my head against the wall.
It's like saying I am a zoophiliac for having pictures of cats on my computer.
I lost faith in the justice system ever since the whole "Rapelay" incident a couple of years ago...
We can only stay strong and hope that these old and ignorant morons will perish with their paranoia...
I wish there was an "Outer Heaven" for anime and hentai fans...
Every country is just so messed up with their rules that they twist and bend...
It's...Disgusting...
Yeah! Not to mention that people can kill each other in real-life as long as there is no violence in cartoons and comic books.
And in many countries murders, rapists, alcoholics, bandits and mafia members (who often are mixed with politicians) have more rights than normal folks.
What is this world coming to?!
2012 21th of decembre
I guess if the world doesn't end in 2013, it's only going to get worse with these ignorant and paranoid f*ckers running the country and arresting anyone just to get a bloody raise in their rank and feel good that they 'saved' innocent people from the bad guys...
Outer Heaven? I heard that in Metal Gear Peace Walker it's Big Boss Base I think.
"We will forsake our countries. We will leave our motherlands behind us and become one with this earth. We have no nation, no philosophy, no ideology.
We fap when we need it, fapping not for country, not for the government, but for ourselves. We need no reason to fap. We fap because it is needed.
We will be the salvation for those with no other recourse. We are otakus without borders, our purpose defined by the era we live in.
We will sometimes have to sell ourselves and services. If the times demand it, we'll be revolutionaries, criminals. And yes, we may all be retardely judged straight to pedos.
But what better place for us is than this?
It is our only home.
Our heaven and our hell.
This is Hentai Heaven."
"He was also ordered not have unattended contact with children under 14, and to submit a sample of his DNA to the state."
Like he interested in real girls in the first place.
Stupid law and justice system bastards.
Go punish people who plays violent games that cuts people from limbs to limbs for murder, go punish people who breaks traffic law in games, go punish those people who burns down house and town in strategy game for arson, go punish people who destroyed a civilization in games for crime against humanity.
All of them are idiots who could not separate fantasy from reality.
I'd do them a deal - you send me a loli, and I'll send her back with a sample of my DNA.
lol
better not get caught
dont forget the ones that conquerd the whole universe
millions of dead people
poor loli's
well in this case my answer would be...
2D loli = WIN, they are lovable and even fapable
3D real life child = FAIL, anoying as fuck, they smell, they cry, and you go to jail... DO NOT WANT!!!
that should settle it
Fixed
Loli Manga is not Child Porn!
Stop ruining my dreams as an Otaku!
You stupid Loli Manga haters! >:O
The higher-ups running the country are a bunch of insecure, paranoid, and ignorant fools who have unclean souls...
That's why they try to play "Hero" to feel good knowing in the end of their life's thread they will be reborn as a f*cking microbe in a cow's ass for threatening anime and associating it with all kinds of blatant, evident-less and illogically irrational accusations...
Ugh...I lost my appetite knowing the fools running a country can just accuse you of something like this without doing their homework...
No, they are usually pedosexuals THEMSELVES who are using their 'hatred of pedosexuality' to cover up the fact that they are going out and forcibly raping/blacmailing children into sex!
Seriously, remember the judges who got caught in 2000 who were giving out HARSH sentences to pedosexuals..... only to find out that they were having sex with 6 year olds and YOUNGER down in Arizona somewhere!
It's simply time to realize that pedosexuality and yes, even having sex with children, as long as they are WILLING participants is? N O R M A L! What does that spell? NORMAL!
I agree that pedosexuality is normal, just like any other sexuality. However, children are too young to be consenting...