The US subsidiary of top Japanese bookstore Kinokuniya has stopped all sales of popular anime pin-up magazines, saying it thinks the innocent pictures of anime girls they are famous for may contain “illegal and inappropriate content” – or in other words, that it thinks they might be considered child porn in the US.
The store has cancelled the subscriptions of all customers subscribed to the magazines, which includes fan favourites Megami and Nyan-Type.
Earlier this month subscribers of Megami Magazine through Kinokuniya Bookstores of America received this rather distressing letter from the popular Japanese book retailer:
July 7th, 2010
(subscriber name/address redacted)
Dear Subscriber,
Thank you very much for using the Kinokuniya magazine subscription services.
We are writing this letter to inform you that we no longer handle subscriptions to Megami magazine since it has recently come to our attention that the magazine may contain inappropriate contents which may not comply with applicable local, state, and/or federal regulations.
It is our policy to take a cautious approach in conducting our business in full compliance with any applicable local, state, and/or federal regulations. In keeping with this policy, we will cancel your subscription to this publication.
Please accept the enclosed refund check for the portion of the subscription remaining.
Thanks again for your continuous patronage to our business.
Should you have any questions or concern regarding this matter, please contact me below.
Sincerely,
(name redacted)
Kinokuniya Bookstores of America Co., LTD.
A follow-up call to the store revealed that five moe-style magazines were currently affected by the ban: Megami, Megami Deluxe, Nyan Type, Dengeki Hime, and Dengeki Moeoh.
None of these titles carry explicit nudity or sexual content – only doe-eyed anime maidens in great profusion.
The store contact avoided giving any precise reasons or specific content which led to the sudden ban, and was quick to offer reassurances that magazines already previously sold by their store and available for subscription over the last decade were not ever “illegal” in any respect.
When it was pointed out that other anime and manga sellers in the US still offer these magazines for sale or subscription, the contact apologized and explained that this was a “precautionary measure… due to certain recent events and changes” – a possible allusion to the Handley case.
A search of the web reveals that non-subscribing direct buyers will also find that the store no longer carried their monthly dose of moe pin-up goodness on their shelves.
Whether US Customs was an issue or not was not clarified (although other retailers have long shipped them without issue), but the contact admitted there had been customer complaints regarding the content of the magazines.
Meanwhile, Megami, Nyan-Type and other anime pin-up magazine subscriptions still remain available through less spineless retailers, both in the US and beyond.
Anime fans opposed to rampant censorship with no basis in law are advised not to support so craven a company as Kinokuniya in future.
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wouldn't happen if there weren't so many loli characters in anime
It dosen't matter...People are uncomfortable with this (mostly feminazis and moralfags) just have their own 'dirty little secret' that they have to convince themselves that this is more evil than their own f*cked up selves...
DFC, Loli, or even Loli-looking characters in anime...As long as Moralfags and Feminazis exist...No, as long as people with insecurities and paranoia exist, sh*t like this will always happen...
That's why the new generation must be exposed to anime (and eventually Hentai) at a young age so they will grow up to love and adore it instead of being paranoid f*cks...
And when puberty hits, you know they add the 'sex' tag to Pokemon and Naruto when they browse search sites~
Thus, the initiation into anime will be complete for the youngbloods...And they will grow up to become Elites...
In order for society to progress, the old ways must be destroyed and replaced by the new...
In this case, doom to the old folks and their draconic thinking and long-live the young anime fans and otakus...
agreed.
Their 'insecurity' is that they wish to be able to brainwash, threaten and even physically force their children into being celibate, which they have NO right to do.
Children are NOT the slaves of adults and adults are NOT supposed to keep them from doing anything. That is how children learn: by doing things that are 'dangerous' and might end up with them being hurt, emotionally or physically, and learning to deal with that.
They would do better to LEGALIZE pedosexuality and yes, even sleeping with children, and tell children that there is no such thing as an 'always and forever' love except in the movies.
whatever, i'll just go to borders.
What is the point then shopping there anymore.
Wow i used to just shop there too! wow i cant believe it. I would go there just to buy those magazines.
Wow i think they will loose alot of business if they do this.
i would travel almost 2 hr to get a whole bunch of those magazines just for the cute extras and now they do this wow.
I just cant believe that.
Freedom of expression just went out the window.
America isnt great anymore.
It used to be a good wold but now everything must end.
To many people complain.
Americans complain too much.
Look at the job situation.
Look at stocks? Will we make it out of recession?
Look at all the issues we even Goverment forgot Hurricane Katrina.
Look at Family torn apart by the US.
America is truly torn.
And to just take one more thing away from what people love to do in their life .
Just to censor everything?
They can spend time on small BS but not the real issues facing america thats just to hard.
That's a shame. I shop at the Kinokuniya on 6th avenue occasionally when I'm in New York on business. I usually get something to eat upstairs while I'm reading, or more often, listening to whatever music I bought.
And yet yearly subscriptions are on sale at another US retailer.
http://store.animebooks.com/megamimagazine.html
I will never understand how this is even child porn.... well at least you'll just have to rely on the internet ^^
Right in one. The last time that the police came to my door years ago(and it was more about my support for pedosexual right and legalization of that!) I stood up, was honest with them, didn't back down.... they went away like dogs with their tails tucked between their legs, because I knew the laws, had a printed out copy of the latest laws, and showed them the EXACT LINE that said that lolicon stuff was not illegal AND the Supreme Court decision that said that.
They tried bullshitting me with "BY COPA!" and as soon as I whipped out those papers when they said that..... "Have a nice day sir, goodbye!" and they drove off!
URL please...
How are you going to say that the US sucks? At least OUR porn is NOT censored. We have the freedom to enjoy what we want. I agree that this act is foolish, but it won't be upheld, as anime is NOT child porn. But to say that the country with the MOST FREEDOM sucks because they stopped selling anime at one location is totally ignorant.
yea, not censored but Japan is the one doing the best porn atm. nuff said
They're shitting their pants with paranoia and yet a retailer like Best Buy is busy selling 'Strike Witches'.
Grow some balls.
srsly, I'd guess ppl advocating censorship (and applying in this case) are just afraid they'd end up getting addicted for the stuff or are afraid to admit they need psychiatric treatment because they are sick enough to get real children if they start seeing lolicon... pitiful..
They should've just slapped a bullshit label on the cover and say that all characters depicted in the magazine are 18 years or older.
i will never again spend a cent on kinokuniya's overpriced shit. it's a relief in a way. what's next? artbooks?
This world is getting more and more absurd as time goes by..
I should go kill myself already than to be under the rule of stupid people like feminazis and moralfags..
No, better to KILL THE FEMNAZIS AND MORALFAGS, or expose them for what they are as I have. I've shown my friends this stuff, and even the ones who were FORCIBLY RAPED as children say that these asshats are going way too far. They are just basically ENCOURAGING pedosexuals to go out and forcibly rape children, because it is getting so you are damned if you and damned if you don't..... and doing feels GOOD according to a lot of child forcible rapists!
Has anyone here read Lost Girls from Alan Moore? Its actually drawn child pornography and it can even be considered doujin since its not about his original characters. Its not problem of only japan related products.
retards nation.. worrying about loli manga & magazine...which hardly does any real harm...
Comparing with,
the club and dance floor have real underage teens humping each other and taking drugs etc...
logic defying country...
ROFL there are only like 4 stores in the entire US. Of course they're going to stop selling the stuff. Why get put out of business with something that's only 0.001% of your business.
Hmm I have not actually had chance to experience having a mailed publication arrive mutliated. One thing is for sure though, if it had happened to me, the company would be expected to immediately reimbursement for each instance the item arrived mangled.
Not that it is there fault, but, failure to deliver intact goods is the problem of the source.
Go and sue their fucking laws, yo. No Megami Magazine, no otaku's live!!
Well this is America:
you've the freedom but not the rights.
WTF!!! They are censoring my life style, but anime and manga are NOT the problem, the problem is the burocrats who are pushed by the american comics, to stop imports. ¡¡¡Viva La Internet!!!
"Under the holdings announced today, no one will be subject to prosecution for the sale or exposure of obscene materials unless these materials depict or describe patently offensive 'hard core' sexual conduct"
--Supreme Court Chief Justice Warren Burger, majority opinion, Miller vs. California 1973
Man, Megami content must have changed a lot since the last time I looked at it.
Damn... I accualy shopped at kinos =<
if there was ever a time to start a movement to stop this shit so innocent people don't get fucked, now would be a pretty good time...
Frankly, if I was ever arrested for having lolicon manga? I'm the WORST NIGHTMARE of the cops, because I am someone who is very intelligent and is totally willing to challenge these and other laws in a court of law, all the way to the Supreme Court.
Die in obscurity or have your name live on in infamy... Not a hard choice, is it?
Child porn, pedophile, people seem to enjoy using these terms flippantly and I really wish they wouldn't.
Child porn was legal at one time in the United States. It should have stayed that way.
So was pedosexuality. It should have stayed that way as well.
It would have been better if all of this sexual NON-morality hadn't been codified into laws. It was NOT about protecting children, it was about having a good 'straw man' to terrify the stupid and meek of society with, in order to get them to give up their rights out of a fear for their children, which I really HATE that most adults automatically are willing to give up even THEIR RIGHT TO EXIST if you use the "HARM TO CHILDREN!" call to arms.
Most adults are stupid. I just wish I realized that sooner in life.
You have to wonder about a nation's priorities when they spend all this energy in this persecution of nickel and dime shit but can't do shit about an environmental disaster of epic proportions or let corrupt corporations steal billions from the people.
Or defend the right to carry guns and show incredibly violent shows on TV while their youths accidentally gun each other down when drunkass dad forgets to lock the gun cabinet.
Or panic about anime pinup mags while they see no problem with MTV practically popularizing teen pregnancy with their stupid "16 and Pregnant" shows.
The U.S. right to carry guns was originally intended to keep the government from pushing its citizens around.
that pic is so hawt
Okay, so who the fuck hired that Sweedish guy as the new boss?
Looking at how things are going it won't be long until the government revives the Spanish Inquisition.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOObody expects the Spanish Inquisition!
Yay! Yay Castillan white trash! You still owe us Filipinos 50% of your total national resources!
And thus the censorship cascades goes on.
I AM DISAPPOINT.
this ih a book
I checked my local Kinokunia this Friday, and it was indeed devoid of the magazines listed, although it still had Megami Creator. Furthermore, it still stocked Takamichi Love Works. Go figure.
There are plenty of outlets for ordering the magazines Kinokuniya USA cut. Are we to call the Comic Book Legal Defense Fund before we start ordering? I've seen MEGAMI before. No loli in the the issues I saw. The contents are pretty random.
And WWII winners just keeps getting bigger heads! Yay! the world is dooooooomed! Fuck society! what's wrong with a little skin!?! Americans really are thick faced underhanded idiots.....
here go some stupid ass american bashing how original.
not!!
We're not bashing America...We're bashing the paranoid idiots living inside her...
My family migrated here from Ireland and I love the food and the scenery...
I just don't like the impudent fools writing laws about freedom that they can't keep...
Alright! This has gone far enough! I can't believe this loli manga scare is starting to have this big of an impact. For Christ sake, someone do something about this already! The characters AREN'T REAL!
Huh, the site posted my comment... apparently straight to NULL this morning. It never appeared.
Anyway, it's hard to solidly take a side on this. It makes perfect sense for them to stop carrying it in the USA, because any vagueness or wiggle room to misinterpret the law could ruin them if someone decides to take them to task.
Of course, artistic expression shouldn't be stifled, neither should freedom of expression of any ideas.
However... I've "read" (where there's text to read? haha) some of these, and they DO sexualize gradeschoolers a LOT, which would be illegal in the US if real, even if clothed. As an anime fan, I'd love to see this stuff cut down to 1/10th what it is now because just as anime started to get some mainstream acceptance, and people realized it's not all tentacle rape, BAM - even worse. Now otaku are typecast as pedophiles. Isn't that lovely? So while I wouldn't censor them, I also wouldn't mourn the loss of about... 95% of mainstream loli ero content that's out there.
No one cares that people are PEDOSEXUALS! (Time for you to realize that they are NORMAL!)
They just don't want pedosexuals going out and forcing children into sexual encounters.... which, by the way, only happens because it is illegal for pedosexuals to sexually proposition children out in the open.
That's a creative rationalization there... No one cares? More like if someone kind of suspects someone else, they're ruined, since everyone has it in their head that not being disgusted by kids is the same as being a rapist. You'd have better luck being outed as a Nazi in most places.
And you think the answer is to legalize sexually propositioning children... why am I even replying?
go suck dick american haters
die!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well this stinks. I didn't have any subscriptions with them, but there is a kinokuniya near where I live. I didn't like it because of their inflated prices, but this adds another reason not to go there. Book Off ftw!
YAY, COMUNISM!!
Why are people worried? They will get the picture when sales start to go down. Yes, it is that simple. A company starts doing something that you do not like, DON'T SHOP THERE.
As soon as enough people do this they will get the picture (or go out of business - and someone else can come in and start er up)
True...In the end, it's money before morals...
Thank the Old Ones for that...
we cant deny that magazines like megami carry very risk material, and i myself disleked so many loli pin ups, i prefer well developed girls. but the contents was so that they were labeled here "pedo mags" so it's not surprise
I love my country, there is no damned moralfags, I can read my Lolimanga where I want and whenever I want whitout fear.
USAfags can suck my dick and swallow my cum cuz you are a bunch of douchebags whitout balls to be men that fight for their freedom.
Ah BTW you can vote - on this comment but you still will be a Douchebag.
Enjoy the land of freedom... freedom to be a Faggot.
Excuse me, but I challenge these things everytime they come up and I live in the United States.
FYI, this is not a US Customs issue.
US Customs normally can't tell the
difference between a copy of a
Fashion magazine and a Megami magazine
unless (1) the documentation mention it or
(2) US customs just happens to randomly
select your shipment for examination.
Again, nothing is illegal by federal law unless it has ACTUAL CHILDREN IN IT! The law was changed quite a long time ago to EXEMPT 3DCG lolicon and drawn/manga/doujin lolicon.
These people are relying on an old and outdated interpretation of the law. Now, you might get in trouble under local obscenity laws... BUT WAIT! Challenge them, automatically thrown out, because they are ILLEGAL BY ROTE JUDGMENT! Seriously, all of the 'obscenity' laws would immediately be thrown out of court if someone challenged them on the basis of First Amendment freedom, because the definition of 'obscenity' is so fucking variable that there IS NO CONSENSUS ON IT!
Why do people keep on bringing up the Handley case? The guy was basically SCARED SHITLESS by the prosecutors and pleaded guilty to something that WASN'T EVEN REALLY A CRIME!
The law in question that they were charging him under was GROSSLY unconstitutional and they KNEW IT!
It's the equivalent of passing a law saying that adults cannot sleep together, arresting two adults who do that, and then terrifying them into taking a plea bargain and yelling "THIS JUSTIFIES THIS LAW! IT IS LEGAL!"
Sorry, but no, it ain't!
Another case of extreme moral hysteria. This world sucks more and more.
Only the US kinokuniya stopped the sales right?This doesn't apply to the other kinokuniya around the world right?Outside of US they didn't stop the sales right?
Australia still has them as far as I know and someone else said Singapore. And of course, the Kinokuniyas in Japan.
I heard there are two Kinokuniyas (or more?) in the US, though. Is this magazine drop in both or just one? That's what I'm curious about.
Australia still has them as far as I know and someone else said Singapore.Oh so these countries still has them?
Every global plague started somewhere, then spread.
ah screw it
wake me up when the feminazis and political idiots stop being total shitheads
goodnight
Wake me up when the real feminists stop acting like worthless do-nothing slugs and start doing something productive to counter the said feminazi idiots.
I hope you don't have plans to ever wake up then.
This actually started at the NYC store about a month or so after the other local "new" Japanese bookstore closed (which also sold those magazines). At first we were told that those magazines were no longer going to be put on the shelves and that if we wanted them we would have to subscribe to them.
Would someone please think of the fully clothed virtual children?
Eh, I could give it a whirl.
...What are they fully clothed in?
Well, ya got me.... I'm actually thinking of the fully-clothed fictional children. My thoughts are just.... not.... all that clean or pure.
seifuku. dresses. yukata. things that little japanese kids wear. in short, cute things.
Feels good, man.
First "one manga"(scanlations)...
now even magazines on paper...
next thing you know even manga volumes will disappear... when will it end?!?!? T_T
It is the end. The beginning of the end.
You know what they say about shit like this: "I didn't stop them earlier because it had nothing to do with me. Then they came to me, and there's no one left to stop them".
I BLAME THE JEWS! THE JEWS!!!
The end, and Japan is heaven. Visa, anyone?
Since most of you are completely ignorant of the law:
"Federal law prohibits the distribution of obscenity through the facilities of interstate or foreign commerce. More specifically, it is a crime to use the mail to send or receive obscene materials, to import obscenity, to ship or receive obscenity by a common carrier, or to transport obscene materials across state lines for sale or distribution, including by computer. See 18 U.S.C. sections 1461, 1462, and 1465. It is also illegal to broadcast obscene materials, or engage in the business of selling obscene materials that have traveled through interstate or foreign commerce. See 18 U.S.C. sections 1464, 1466. "
and
"There are also federal laws making it a serious crime to distribute obscenity toward minors. Federal law prohibits a person from using the mail, or any of the means of interstate commerce, including a computer, to knowingly transfer obscene materials to someone the person knows is under 16 years of age. See 18 U.S.C. section 1470. For example, it would be a crime to knowingly email an obscene picture to a 15 year-old."
and
"The U.S. Supreme Court established the test that judges and juries use to determine whether material is obscene. The test was developed in three major cases: Miller v. California, 413 U.S. 15, 24-25 (1973); Smith v. United States, 431 U.S. 291, 300-02, 309 (1977); and Pope v. Illinois, 481 U.S. 497, 500-01 (1987). The resulting three-pronged test to adjudicate obscenity is as follows:
Whether the average person, applying contemporary adult community standards, would find that the work, taken as a whole, appeals to the prurient interest (i.e., an erotic, lascivious, abnormal, unhealthy, degrading, shameful, or morbid interest in nudity, sex, or excretion); and
Whether the average person, applying contemporary adult community standards, would find that the work depicts or describes, in a patently offensive way, sexual conduct (i.e., ultimate sexual acts, normal or perverted, actual or simulated, masturbation, excretory functions, lewd exhibition of the genitals, or sado-masochistic sexual abuse); and
Whether a reasonable person would find that the work, taken as a whole, lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value."
Federal Obscenity Law is determined by local community, not national, standards as established by Miller v California.
OK Now how old are the girls in those magazines? Huh what was that they aren't real? They don't have an age? You mean to tell me this picture was dawn less than a year ago? Huh so by looking at a picture of a drawn wrinkled woman that was drawn less than 18 years ago its child porn right because that's the only real way to determine the age of a drawing. The law is and always will be bull shit on this. Its like Australia if a girl has a DFC shes going to be a minor for the rest of her life. I hate America and all its moralists and good doers that only ruin the great country we once had.
OK I'm done with my rage carry on.
And those obscenity laws would be overturned today for being WAAAAAAAY too broad and vague. The fact is that the Constitution does NOT say that something that is 'obscene' (which is in the eye of the beholder, and I say if you don't like something, don't look!) can be banned.
The First Amendment is ABSOLUTELY, and artwork is part of the First Amendment, it is SPECIFICALLY MENTIONED!
It doesn't matter if a piece of artwork is pornographic, has children in it or NOT! Anything DRAWN or NOT A PHOTO is not allowed to be banned.
Actually, if the First Amendment was STRICTLY adhered to? Child pornography (the real, photographic shit) wouldn't be allowed to be banned or made illegal either, except where a child can be proven to have been physically forced into making it.
I feel sad feel the company. Clearly they are worried about the 'sue' obsessed nature of the US and the fact the US sees sex in a puritanical light.
This might just be a blip on the radar, and it might also just be the beginning.
Some times it takes a bit to get the ball rolling on repercussions.
Personally I find yanking the mags to be entirely unexplainable, as there are numerous better targets if they are truly worried about the attitudes of imagery that is commonplace with anime and manga. Especially anime and manga that is about as far as it gets from even remotely 'questionable'.
Still, I see it all the time. The 'hysterical' in society think ALL anime and manga is sick. They simply ain't even interested in making any distinction.
i think, what make them worried is a fact, that some feminazis (or their comrade) lurking out there're ready to sue them anytime to satisfy the domination
They are afraid to be sued, so they break contracts. Quite counter productive if all subscribers would sue them now.
they SHOULD sue. (well, they'd better pick relatively clean megami as evidence. the one i bought recently had a few bath scenes...)
In my case, my copy of Dengeki G Festival from Kinokuniya (Malaysia) got several pages "detained" by our customs (by detained, they ripped out some of the pages). This not only limited to anime pin-up magazine, even hobby magazine like Dengeki Hobby or Hobby Japan also was not spared. And this only happened to copy bought from Kinokuniya; parallel import from Amazon Japan either pass the customs unscathed, or the whole thing will be detained.
There were several occasions where entire tankobons I ordered got held up by the customs too. Good thing I had contacts in Singapore to get it from the Kinokuniya there instead.
Sue them for destruction of property.
Well if they counter-sue me, or kinokuniya for bringing illegal content to our country (yes, any pornographic material is banned in Malaysia, and our definition of pornography can include even scantily clad pictures), then for sure they will win.
We are catholic. But i believe it is a lot more lax and people friendly here. I havent seen draconic / ultra zealot christians so far.
i pity you malaysians.. and to think that we in the philippines are supposed to be catholic and above things like that.
*clutches megami protectively*
some Laws are just Lawls :D
What the shit.
this type of article keeps boiling my blood.
WHY THE HELL ARE MORALFAGS ATTACKING ANIME or "child porn cartoons" (as they see it)?
There as other REALLY BIG ISSUES TO TACKLE such as domestic violence and real SICK PORN to CRUSADE on...
If they are really damn serious about their world peace and shit they should just shoot themselves since the real world is just like this. short-sighted bigots.
You'll never see a man arrested, ridiculed, bullied, or exiled for extreme, explicit, obscene, vile, or depraved fictional content involving violence, even if it involves a child.
You'll never see a government, store, ratings board, or organization condemn, ban, or boycott fictional content involving such violent content either.
Of course, it's free speech, and people can tell the difference between fantasy and reality.
However, as soon as it comes to suggestive content, nudity, sexual content, and anything resembling a child, something in their brain shuts down. Logic, reason, and critical thinking go offline.
You simply aren't allowed to take a side. You are either a baby fucker, or must promote a modern day Auschwitz for the pedophiles that are lurking everywhere in everyone, just waiting to strike at your children.
We are all aware of the media blitz, the fear factor, and the brain washing concerning the modern day boogieman of pedophilia. It's seeped deep into society to the point it threatens our freedom in the form of censorship, draconian laws, and prosecution of innocent individuals.
Media simply does not cause a person to commit a crime. To say such, is a cynical view of humanity; that all it takes is a thought, and an individual is unable to control themselves from acting on their desires.
How terrifying is it that we believe a person that can tell the difference between a fictional drawing and a real child is a danger to society, but one that can not, is a model citizen, or is someone in charge of passing laws. Which one of those is the real cancer of society?
We have a major problem on our hands. No one dares educate people on the double standards, less they be branded as pedophiles. And thus, the cycle of ignorance continues. We are nearing a critical time where we stand up, or lose everything. Certain organizations, governments, and corporations are increasingly using the trump card of pedophilia. The cancer is spreading from puritans, to government, to common folk.
It's a specific lack of sophistication most people never outgrow.
We want to guy who strokes it to kids to be a monster, a ticking time bomb that the community can band together and disarm.
But what if he's a churchgoing veteran? What if he has kids of his own, cares about them and dreads them ever finding out? What if he's a complete nonentity, and his evil master plan involves buying some socks and watching Hannah Montana? What if he, himself, still a preteen is his own mind?
humanity refuses to see the good in the evil, but just as galling is the blindness to the evil in the good. Some of us learn about factory farms and sweatshops, and start a boycott, never realizing that them's the breaks of being a part of a developed nation. Think most cambodian kids would turn down a new pair of nikes? a cruelty plus hamburger?
At least the guy with the CP knows who's suffering for his amusement.
You are also assuming that there is something 'evil' about pedosexuality. There is not, and there is nothing 'evil' about even sleeping with children, speaking as an adult who slept with and had sex with adults as a child.
Pedosexuals are the new 'boogie man' for society now that heterosexuals outside of marriage and homosexuals are not allowed to be bashed upon.