Manga Translator Convicted – “Loli Manga is Child Abuse”

It's not really child abuse if it is not real. No real child is being abused, sexually or violently.

At least in Sweden the people are willing to speak up against stupidity and imaginary crimes. If it was any other country, I can't say anyone would stand up for the guy.

“if you are going to draw any naked cartoon characters, be sure they have big breasts or your drawing might be illegal!”
But if someone had been thinking this through they'd realize there are quite a handful of girls who have big breasts at a fairly young age...
And the reverse obviously applies, not every girl has massive honkers.
Some bullcrap reasoning here as usual ._.

So. Rights for fiction characters? heh?
Then maybe I should consider marrying my waifu and try getting a license for driving spaceships in games? Or should I go to NASA to get a permit for driving the Millenium Falcon in Star Wars?

I'm so sick of the the Thought Police and their creeping domination over the world.

so if you download loli you go to jail, while priests who actually sexually abused children get a slap on the hand. these people have completely reversed morals... and see that we're not even talking about real children here but imaginary ones. save the imaginary children.

I'm not fond of where the "small breasts = children" is going. I don't care for breasts bigger than B cup but it seems even if the girl is over 20 it's child porn due to her lack of large milk containers. Fucking milk containers..

You guys all misunderstanding,its not a case of someone being abused,is of inciting the user to abuse a child.To them is like a guide of how to be a pedo.Much like that GTA andreas was this way too,inciting people to rob and kill.
But like many users said,if is not for the benefit for the politicians/a group its wrong and bad,fuck the bill of rights or the free speech.Lets all give glorious thanks to hollywood movies money making!!!

There is no surprise that japanese call us gaijins and have xenophobia.But hey,by the logic of these laws the country where ALL those sick stuff along with so other many 'bad' things must have the most rates for killing and pedo abuses right????

Wait a second... IT'S DOESNT HAVE!!!
*RAAAAAGE*

wow ... more and more days, western people has become more paranoid with child abuse ....

Don't bash Sweden just yet, they're coming out with an Anonymous ISP provider called "Pirate ISP".

Just a little warning for the hypocrites out there.

For those who care and want to read the court order they can do so here: http://pdfcast.org/pdf/dom-1

PS THIS IS IN SWEDISH. just an warning LOL.

If having pictures of an imaginary being being "molested" is considered child-abuse, then killing someone in a video game should be considered murder. Damn morons need to think before they act. Giving something imaginary HUMAN RIGHTS is beyond ridiculous - it isn't real, never has been real, and exists as a bunch of dots on a piece of paper, computer screen or in someone's imagination.

Busting someone for pictures of an imaginary character in a sexual situation does NOT prevent a pedophile from being created, it ENCOURAGES it, by simply stating that if you have the FAKE item, you go to jail/prison. Why bother with the FAKE stuff when you can get the REAL THING and still get the SAME punishment? Think about it just a little bit.

as long as they are not doing it in real life it's okay.

why even bother it's like saying. hey i drew a person dismembering his/her intestines and feeding it in their children does that make me a murderer? im not into this kind of things but at least i don't accuse anyone of being a molestor. people take things way to seriously.

It looks like he will lose the little girl.

Some people are misunderstanding about this,this is a case about inciting someone to be a pedo,to them is like a pedo guide,hence the comdenation.Much like what happened with GTA being blamed by the moral police.
But lets face it,by their laws logic,the country where ALL the sick and and the others 'bad' stuff come from must have the highest rates for pedo abuses and killing right???

wait a second IT DOESNT HAVE!!! *raaage*

No wonder japanese have xenophobia and call us 'gaijins'.

okay now so Loli Manga is Child Abuse now so going by that reasoning, every time you kill some one in a game or by drawing that means you have killed some one in a fictional world who was alive at one point but then you killed he or she or it so that mean by law everyone who has played a game should go to jail for killing millions of fictional people who were at one time alive, and everyone who does anything of the sort should be sent to jail and given a death penalty for killing so called fictional character. what is the world coming to when things that are not real are given rights that should not even be given to in the first place. fictional things are not real no matter how much you argue a good way to fight this would be, you draw something on a piece of paper say it be a girl, a buy and then you wright next to it, the boy is 18 while the girl you dont give an age and then you draw a gun next to the boy okay , now if by what the law says the comic is child abuse then the buy is the drawing killed the girl and then just sanded there yet you see nothing that has happen you are suppose to send the owner of the comic to jail for killing a loli that was not real in the first place and you dont see anything happening in the image just what he wrote, it gives no logic to the case it is completely and utter bullshit lol... how can they make a case on something that is not real it is like saying free speech, you say there is a woman who looks like she is 28, has huge boobs and looks just like a 28 year old woman should but you say her age is 8 and she says her age is 8 yet you have had sex with you you are then hear by become a pedophile yet you know it is not true but the law says you are by a fucked up reasoning lol... okay i am done with my rant lol

Read Lolita for my 8th Grade Summer Reading, damn the teacher was surprised. 9/10

Fucking insane. At least he didn't get locked up and he's attempting to appeal his conviction.

Wow just wow, As usual this is another case of morals vs logical because as history has proven, when it comes down to it, morals and logical don't add together well. I always wanted to ask this question to religious and politicians that set these stupid laws, since when has fantasy equal reality ? If so then all the horror and slicers movies make serial killers, all hentai makes people into raging perverts, all action packed movies make people into gun slangers and criminals. When it comes down to it religion and morals make a lot of countries not logic anymore.

Remember the Mortal Kombat thing when people got all hyper because of the finishing moves and they thought children would've of tried it or when GTA 3 came out and people raged about the violent acts then there was, then the whole rapelay thing with people believing that it would of created rapists, all of this are prime examples of stupidity taking form, out of all the school shootings how many were media related ? what about rapist, how many are driven by the media the japanese created ? what about child molesters and rapists how many have lolicon ? instead of asking that how about how many of them were inspired to do these acts from media ? none ? or then i guess it NOT THE MEDIA!!

People well find any means to stop things they don't like and its getting way to out of hand. We all know that protecting fake children is bullshit, its common sense, since when has drawing abuse anyone ? since when have lines on a paper been violated ? since when has fantasy gained rights ? Then your say that all the people we kill in video games is murder and all the girls we enslave in video games makes us real life rapist, bullshit but i guess the only reason all this is because of moral panic, the paranoia that everyone is a pedophile the paranoia that media can create monsters, the paranoia that watching something being acted out on a film set can cause someone to redo the act but of course all these panics don't have logical standings as they are just plain ignorance and fear but i guess telling this to someone to make them understand that fantasy and reality are two different universes would make me crazy correct ? or Perhaps am not thinking straight as anime/manga/porn/hentai/videos and books have already made me into the pedophilic murdering child rapist the westen world wants to print out or am just using common sense to show that fiction is not real.

Anonymous said:
Well, hardcore otaku's pretend the characters are real, celebrating their birthday and even marrying some of them, there you have it.

That's messed up. They might as well get a dog or a cat for that shit.

There is nothing wrong with whatever our imaginations indulge in. The state should stay out of its people's affairs especially in issues such as entertainment.
All these rights for fictional characters are just a stepping stone for the states to tighten their control over its people.

For us people who indulge in some finer preferences, how would society react when sexbots become the norm and we possess those in the specifications that we desire?

isn't it great that government money goes to catching people watching fictional non-existent children pornography instead of using that money and FBI stuff into more serious things? who knows, maybe it could help some poor mentally abused kid instead, but who cares about 3d kids when there's 2d kids to save?

This is exactly what I've been foaming about, not just the "ThoughtCrime" issue, but the "Modern Women who seek to destroy men".

The man was charged when the police investigated him looking for any reason to arrest him. And the police did that because his ex wife had made an obviously false charge to get even more advantage in the divorce.

The woman made an accusation against the man. It's clear that though they found in their country a "Fine" bit of "Justice by points" he clearly did NOT molest his child. Have they then turned on the woman for making a false allegation? I think not.

We men need to re-claim our rights and position in society. The "Controllers" are assaulting us first because they know we are potentially the biggest threat to them. They are trying to impoverish us with this world wide recession they triggered and then to destroy us socially. They are using women against us, and "Feminism" is part of that propaganda.

We need to act, but we can do so.

The first part is to notice their weaknesses.

In the USA, which I call "AmeriKKKa" because of how it's degenerated the elites have a kind of "Three Tiered" income/power generating system. This is no complex "Conspiracy Theory" it's just the "Law of Supply and Demand" combined with "Divide and Conquer".

1. Illegal immigrants increase the "Supply" of labor.
2. Exporting jobs reduces the "Demand" for manufacturing and much skilled labor.
3. Buying out government and media helps them avoid the "Law".

Right now, too many people are focused on #3, which is both a diffused battlefield and one they have endless money and energy on, so any tiny victories can be countered or re-absorbed.

The best strategy is to by various means put pressure on #1, starting with demanding the police (threat of jury nullification) simply check for illegals. No fence, no profiling, just check the books on employers randomly and frequently and fully prosecute those that are found to have hired them. Recognize it is not a 'racial' issue but pure 'economic warfare'.

In the USA which I call "AmeriKKKa" because of how it's fallen, there are many more "Illegal Immigrants" than "Unemployed". If they can remove illegal labor their 'recession' will end because so many jobs will go wanting wages will skyrocket. And I don't mean "Ditch Digger" wages, this action undercuts all wages.

This should be followed by a quick blow to #2, outsourcing by demanding tariffs and trade barriers. It'll remove so much money from the rich elite they'll collapse quickly and not be able to do #3 anymore.

And I say this because I believe you must always go to a root problem. The "Marriage" laws as they've been made are a big part of it, but the real assault is social stability, the ability to earn a living. They want us ALL slaves, men and women.

As for the women, there are plenty of ways to word new "Defense of Marriage" bills that'll not sound "Sexist" but still put women back in their place. Women do NOT go out and hunt for wild game, the "Jobs" they get are those only given to them by the "Controllers" in an effort to degrade men. It was done a lot in "Colonialism" and "Slavery", giving women better positions than men, beating slave men in front of their women, that is all it is.

Frankly, men have the advantage long term. We stay good looking longer and can reproduce healthy right till the very end. Women usually decline at 30 and in any event at 40 ish they produce inferior (retarded) offspring. We can wait a while to get 'hitched' for real, saving our money, and later when we re-do the marraige laws or can move to another country where a Man can be a MAN, we can just get a younger bride. LET the women that seek to parasite off of us and destroy us fornicate all they want, but let them do it with each other or with the parasite peacock non-producing men so they get to work, drive, buy groceries for them. The original marriage laws and traditions were to protect women from being ditched when they lost their looks. Sadly, these things have been abused.

I'm totally for strong marriage laws, but not easy divorce laws that put the advantage totally in the woman's court. We've seen what this does. The women, egged on by this media controlled by people who want us slaves and a "Feminist" agenda use it to deliberately destroy men. They marry producing males for a few years, then just walk out and get all his money. They fornicate with non-producing males, who tend to be not harassed by these laws since there's no income/worker to exploit. And the children are so traumatized there's only a 'bacterial' reproductive advantage at best.

What to push for:

1. Pre-Nups are mandatory and binding.
2. "Castle" laws that put the advantage to ANY charge against a man in his advantage.
3. Any non-willed divorce is to be treated as "Desertion".

Take note, if a woman is being brutally abused by a man to the point where she feared for her life, she should leave with the clothes on her back. The way my laws would work, she'd go to her family or a shelter. She couldn't leech off the man, but if there was real abuse his ability to sue HER for "Desertion" would be limited. But since the marriage laws were strong either partner couldn't re-marry easily, the divorce would take years and even in abuse there wouldn't really be any compensation gravy train. Thus a re-marriage would be difficult since a woman would be hesitant to put herself in such a position and a man might worry about a woman who'd accused her husband. Thus the easiest path would be for both of them to talk to shrinks and such and work out the anger/incompatibility issues.

We, as men, have to fight back.
First against the "Controllers" then against the women who have been set against us.
Whatever country you live in, examine it, look at what is going on, what has changed over the decades, what can be done to counter it.

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“However unpleasant and nasty a work of fiction might be, and whatever one thinks about Japanese porn involving cartoon children, there is actually no victim here. The children in the… man’s manga comics were not molested since they were characters in a comic.”

This is the first time I've ever agreed with the media on this subject. Now if we could just get everyone else on the planet to understand this concept...

The political world has learnt how to cover dirty jobs without losing popular consents.
Use children for the inside and terrorists for the outside.
Wars in the name of freedom and censorship in the name of children's safety.

Amazing just amazing, it just proves when it comes down to it morals and logic don't always go well together. I always wanted to go by these morals nuts and fundamentalist and ask in what world does fantasy and reality conclude ? If fantasy equaled reality then 99% of people (excluding those who do not take part in any sexual or violent media) would be raging murders, serial rapists and child molesters. Moral Panic is now a epidemic, a random witch hunt for people who they want to pretend are "sexual fiends" ,if your not into normal sex to them your a freak of nature which in itself is god damn retarded.
Remember Mortal Kombat and the scandal it had around it or GTA and its said "violence would create serial killers" or rapelay that they deemed, "inspires rapists", media doesn't create monsters, the monsters were already looming inside, if fantasy was the reason behind a killer or rapist then everyone on sankaku no in fact almost billions of people would be killing one another.
People are loosing there common sense and are becoming to ignorant and paranoid, there behavior now is no longer based on logic or knowledge but arrogant and shallow views that only show how much evolving the world needs. "It to protect the children, the characters are being abused, it inspires pedophile, PEDOPHILES ARE THE ENEMIES OF THE WORLD!!,if your not into normal sex YOUR A PERVERTED FREAK!", This is all the bullshit you would hear come out of there mouths, protecting fictional non-existent characters has to be the most insulting, ignorant and retarded thing to be said ever in the history of mankind, Equality now in fact all femini-nazis, can't even save children who are being raped because they are "married" in Islamic countries, they can't even protect those children from being violated TO DEATH, they don't save the children involved in real child pornography, they can't change the fact parents imprisoning there children for sexual pleasure for years or can they protect women who have no rights in certain countries example the countries they say you need two people to testify for rape and yet they waste money and time to save a fantasy ? something that does not exist and has no real connection to real life, in fact lines on a paper that have no concern for the real world and they call that saving the children who are being raped, being molested and not to mention worse cases dieing, wow i guess morals are truly better then logic indeed, all these witch hunts for pedophiles would be so much better if they were hunting actually predictors instead guys getting jailed for more years then someone who actually rapes a child and then being labeled something that would more or less make your life a living hell, i guess treating those who are different as monsters rather then treat them as human beings is part of human nature tho it is one of the most disgusting parts of human nature that exists.

Laws like that aren't really putting pedos in jail. You think a hardcore pedo is going to be looking at loli manga? He's just gonna go and grab girl instead.

If you can get arrested for owning loli manga is better just abuse real children, if caught you are doing time anyway so is better do the one that is most fun.

The Swedish Pirate Party has made a press statement on the issue. I paraphrase:

"Queen Sylvia must retract her public support for ECPAT"

Note to my-self.... STAY AWAY FROM A FUCKING COUNTRY CALLED SWEDEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Again, challenge this law.... BOOM! Thrown out of court in Sweden, which adheres more highly to the freedom to draw/view whatever you wish than even the United States does.

“It goes against all common sense. These are just drawings; no children have been harmed.”

“However unpleasant and nasty a work of fiction might be, and whatever one thinks about Japanese porn involving cartoon children, there is actually no victim here. The children in the… man’s manga comics were not molested since they were characters in a comic.”

Ever heard "Common Sense; So rare is might as well be a superpower?" Well, these people are superhuman.

If you (yes, YOU, behind the monitor) are not willing to actually stand up and fight a totalitarian cause like this, then I suggest you don't bother getting pissed off and saving your energy for WOW or something similar, because you sure as hell aren't gonna be of any use.

You guys are disgraces to the human race. I love anime.. I like hot chics.. I think under age kids are cute and innocent. They should stay that way.
What kind of message do you think this "fiction" is teaching people. I'm not talking about the high school looking girls in anime, I'm talking about the sick freako stuff that looks like they are 11 or 12 and not even hit puberty yet. Are you guys kidding me with this stuff? Seriously grow up and look outside. I hope that guy dies in a jailhouse fire if that "loli" was half as bad as I've seen floating around. It should be common sense what is acceptable and spreading child porn around in the form of a cartoon should be punishable by death for trying to skirt the moral rules of society. BAM.

don't hide the truth there is no comparasion between Nabokovs lolita nd loli manga. Lolita was a teenager, while loli manga is full of 5-9 years old childs, not even teenagers!

This "the Local" that Jeff sourced also has some interesting articles:

http://www.thelocal.se/17058/20090121/
http://www.thelocal.se/18704/20090406/

Remember hearing a debate about this at the radio a couple of days ago. Amazed that Sankaku noticed. You did forget something though. Besides loli manga the police stated they had also found "real" child-pornography.

There are girls at my school that have no figure, am i a pedophile because i look at them when i talk to them?

Considering Sweden's crime rate is rising....its probably all the bullshit coming out of the authorities' and politician's mouths thats fucking up their country.

May I kill our enemies now?

It's just stupid to the extreme they even waste resources prosecuting this non crime.
Really I hope hackers around the world place lolicon on the computer of every politician and government employee in Sweden.

The publicly available judicial decision explicitly states "all the images are drawn", a statement maintained by the translator himself.

I'd consider that comment about " "real" child pornography" as unsubstantiated rumors until further notice.

However, it's not really relevant for the issue of free speech itself, either way.

H. Sweden

Where's the sources for the translator possessing real child pornography? I didn't find anything about it in the judicial decision.

H. Sweden

personally i would charge the police with terrorism seeing as they are acting more as an agent of a foriegn country (the catholic church) rather than peace officers. surprisingly it works

Wow so I can break the law in a room by myself with only a pencil and paper?

It's an old law I presume. And now since it has been put to practice, I hope they will change it. I really hope my countrys politicians still got some common sense left. After the last 10 years I actually doubt they still have it...

I fail to understand how some people here think that Sweden is any better than US or Ausfailia in regards loli draws, a tabloid newspaper is no common sense(!), I fell sorry for that guy, so many REAL criminals in this world, condemning someone who store DRAW images is beyond nonsense is stupidity.

You'll never see a man arrested, ridiculed, bullied, or exiled for extreme, explicit, obscene, vile, or depraved fictional content involving violence, even if it involves a child.

You'll never see a government, store, ratings board, or organization condemn, ban, or boycott fictional content involving such violent content either.

Of course, it's free speech, and people can tell the difference between fantasy and reality.

However, as soon as it comes to nudity, sexual content, and anything resembling a child, something in their brain shuts down. Logic, reason, and critical thinking go offline.

You simply aren't allowed to take a side. You are either a baby fucker, or must promote a modern day Auschwitz for the pedophiles that are lurking everywhere in everyone, just waiting to strike at your children.

We are all aware of the media blitz, the fear factor, and the brain washing concerning the modern day boogieman of pedophilia. It's seeped deep into society to the point it threatens our freedom in the form of censorship, draconian laws, and prosecution of innocent individuals.

Media simply does not cause a person to commit a crime. To say such, is a cynical view of humanity; that all it takes is a thought, and an individual is unable to control themselves from acting on their desires.

How terrifying is it that we believe a person that can tell the difference between a fictional drawing and a real child is a danger to society, but one that can not, is a model citizen. Which one of those is the real cancer of society?

We have a major problem on our hands. No one dares educate people on the double standards, less they be branded as pedophiles. And thus, the cycle of ignorance continues. We are nearing a critical time where we stand up, or lose everything. Governments and corporations are increasingly using the trump card of pedophilia.

So he kept loli manga hardcopy in his house? Is that man insane? Sure I have some of what may be considered loli but that's all been bought legally in the U.S. in the bookstore, and maybe I have some pictures (2d only) but I don't go broadcasting that stuff. Seriously if you are going to piss off your exwife over a kid get rid of your cp. That should be the first thing a person should do before a custody battle. Kinda of like dumping your gay lover before running for office.

Don't marry an A-cup or you'll go to jail.

“if you are going to draw any naked cartoon characters, be sure they have big breasts or your drawing might be illegal!”

What if it's an obvious loli, with big breasts? Maybe even a god damn baby?

"Safe!"
It's finally here! A war using us international otakus as cannon fodder... sigh... When will the world leave us in peace? It's not like we rape real life children.... or like one.... That's why we turn to fantasy, because we can't stand real life....

Real life is nothing but a means to live. Our "true" lives are drawn in manga and programmed in games. Don't they know how to separate chaos and perfection?

loli asuka ftw!-_-

thank god it's not sahadou

Oh s**t, I think I've looked at Asuka once or twice with sexual eyes! This might put me away in jail. :/

....*crosses Sweden off of the list*...

What happens if its a big breasted loli? are they going to give him a medal?

Anonymous said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_panic

The majority...