LO: “Every Time You Download a Manga, You Kill a Loli!”

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Top loli manga anthology Comic LO has a stark message for its substantial online-only illegal readership, hammered home by a weeping loli – “When you illegally upload, you’re killing our lovers!”

More sinisterly, they tell fans that illegal uploads allow even dirty foreigners to get their hands on Japan’s arts, which could encourage more censorship, as ever missing the point that it is Japanese extremists pushing for a ban in pursuit of their own interests.

The rest of their missive to lolicon pirates runs thus:

Illegally uploading magazines or manga is an unforgivable betrayal of manga culture. To protect lovely 2D girls, you mustn’t do it!

Illegal uploads are really getting out of hand!

If you thoughtlessly spread Japanese ero-manga overseas, you may cause needless international friction due to the differences in expression. In the worst case, it might cause manga censorship. Minors might see them too.

Illegal uploads are akin to betraying your otaku brothers, and are practically robbery. Whether you have money or not, uploads bring a danger of causing others to forget the value and importance of manga.

By damaging sales of manga you decrease the morale of mangaka – won’t they just think “If I’m not going to be rewarded, why even bother?” Some creators have become so discouraged by the prevalence of illegal uploads they had to stop writing. The environment which allows the creation of 2D bishoujo is really under threat!

Just whether the magazine’s child fancying readership can be relied upon to maintain the ethical standards LO seems intent on encouraging remains to be seen, although sadly they probably can be relied upon to respond favourably to a call to xenophobia.

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  • Anonymous says:

    All this talk about ‘pirates’ and ‘piracy’ is irritating. All ‘pirates’ are potential consumers if companies package their product a certain way and charge a reasonable price point. The music industry is still learning from their mistakes in the late 90’s by turning on the consumer for their inability to read the market. People are not waiting years for mangas to be licensed in their country anymore. The internet is here and people are going to use it. Japan needs to read the market find a way to make money off of us ‘dirty foreigners’ who are willing the pay for manga online rather than wait for bookstore releases.

  • there is some truth behind this… but I’m still offended by the way they adress foreiners. Their stuff wouldn’t be as out there or well known worldwide lately if it wasn’t for streaming and file sharing. True fans end up buying what they like as a way of saying thank you. I buy visual novels and dvds for instance

  • Barbarian of Gor said:
    What I was originally suggesting was a way for LO (and others) to get money from a market that they didn't even cater to and to use it to gather help versus just pretending to be 'low key' as the 'forces of control' worked on them anyways.

    Comic LO doesn't want to get money from a market they don't cater to. Marketing Comic LO to people in countries where it is forbidden would open Akaneshinsha to criminal prosecution and even more political pressure.
    If you're going to suggest something, suggest how to fashion a movement to oppose laws against looking at, creating and selling cartoons. It's too late for the US – Congress is not in the business of repealing laws, but pressure should be brought to bear at the United Nations level and in those countries still considering a ban.

  • Anonymous said:Oh yes. I made a 5 sentence respond and just by that you call me someone with a limited "Glasp of Engrish and now theres even a new term to call me: "Mangre yuh Engrish"

    Actually, Anon, your written English isn't so good. There are a lot of grammatical mistakes, missing articles, etc. But it's not important! The point is that I can understand you perfectly, and I'm still trying to understand the Barbarian of Gor.

    To Barbarian of Gor: it would help me greatly if you focused your postings to the important issues at hand — "piracy" of lolicon and censorship — and not go off on tangents. Who cares about "Fight Club"? More shite from Hollywood. You call yourself a leftist or anarcho-sindicalist? (Don't take this so personally. I'm trying to get you to focus those ideas you have that are good.)

    • Barbarian of Gor says:

      Yeah, I did end up in a bit of kind of a flame war over grammatical issues.

      However, I did try to focus on my ideas for “Alternative” marketing. What I was originally suggesting was a way for LO (and others) to get money from a market that they didn’t even cater to and to use it to gather help versus just pretending to be ‘low key’ as the ‘forces of control’ worked on them anyways.

  • Strawberry Suicide says:

    I killed lolis?
    Who cares, I’m not a lolicon XD

    Besides, even if Japanese stop uploading, there are several other contributors, like exchange students, tourists, or foreigners living in Japan…

    Also many have penpals in the East and other friends, who send them regurarly manga magazines + there are ways to get second-hand stuff through e-sales…

    So whatever Japanese publishers intend to do to decline the number of free contribution of their material, it’s going to fail…

  • Anonymous says:

    “Top loli manga anthology Comic LO has a stark message for its substantial online-only illegal readership, hammered home by a weeping loli – ‘When you illegally upload, you’re killing our lovers!'”

    Actually, wouldn’t this message be aimed towards those (mostly) Japanese readers who get their hands on the actual magazine(s) and then scan and upload them, rather than the (mostly) gaijin online-only illegal readership?

    • Anonymous says:

      Maybe you should reply directly at his post instead of here. Independent.

      you have an account. I dont and see. My post directed at him appear independent above yours. What gives….

  • Barbarian of Gor said:
    Sir, I'll treat you as someone with a limited "Glasp of Engrish" rather than a troll:-)

    I know you meant to be funny, but making fun of someone's accent (and assuming it's a Japanese one) isn't really that funny. But let's put that aside and let me ask you: why would Akaneshinsha ever set up anything to sell Comic LO outside of Japan? That would only expose them not only to more pressure, but also actual criminal charges, at least in the US (when they sell to someone in the US).
    Moreover, the notion that typing messages on forums is going to change the world is pretty delusional if you think about it. Change is effected by going to the streets, if not the halls of Congress. You don't have to stand up and publicly declare yourself a lolicon, but you do have to find something concrete to do that fits with your level of comfort.
    As for this — "and you paid $18.99 for their official CD. It's usually a nickel or often nothing, all but the best pros only earn a quarter, tops" — with all due respect, you're pretty misinformed. It used to be that artists earned around 80 or 90 cents per unit. Nowadays the standard artist royalty is $1.25 and up, and $1.50-$2.00 is not uncommon. The royalty for songwriters for each SONG (not CD) is 9 cents (or with a Controlled Composition clause, about 6.5 cents).
    Record companies for sure have the wrong business model, but there aren't a lot of good arguments or proposals being put forward by the file-share community. Not yet, anyway. Pay what you want is still a myth.

    • Barbarian of Gor says:

      Actually I don’t seek to “Change the world” by just “Typing in Blogs” though I don’t hold back my opinion. My rants on this one I do consider wishful thinking, but I could/would carry them out if given said resources. (the help of a lot of members here in exchange for being a “Spokesman/Warlord” and making sure they have ‘fun’ when I ask them to lift a finger for me)

      And many musicians literally get nothing for their CDs, they serve as ads for concerts at best. I’ve actually read books by and for industry insiders and aspiring “Professional” musicians, they are full of warnings on how easily they can end up millions in debt to the record company, how they can “Party away their royalties” the first month on tour without knowing it.

      The “Music Industry” is the crook, the thief, and they’ve been that way since the get-go.

      Once technology had advanced enough to make music (and art/video) recordable, mass-producible, 95% of all musicians, artists, thespians went out of business. They had to find work in other fields they were often not suited to. And those that remained were at the mercy of and under the orders coming from those that “Owned the means of production”.

      The “Bardic” class went extinct.

      That alone is reason for some plans of mine. I’m from such ancestry. We are smart enough to “Get a career” elsewise, but it’s dry and boring and soul-destroying. But make no mistake in that we are specifically singled out to be “Kept Out” for any, all and no reason from “The music industry”. We’ll tell a story. We’ll get people riled up. We’ll bring in the crowds but it’ll be playing our tunes, not theirs.

      I grew up knowing people who despite “Getting a real job” could play like you wouldn’t believe. They actually rented space in a studio and paid through the nose to get their records pressed, later tapes mastered. They found that they could not get played on the radio, put in even on consignment in the record stores and even the “Mail order catalogs” were scared to list them, often charging rates just designed to keep them out. Always a “We have a contract” that limits them to “The music industry”.

      But there are times of “Flux”, like the 30s, the 60s/70s and now. Economic shakeup combined with public unrest. People looking for alternatives, real ones, not “Prepackaged Grunge”.

      The music industry cries it’s losing it’s shirt to a new technology? Good. They reap what they have sewn.

      The fact is, here or elsewhere, people will “Buy” more from smaller artists who cater to more specified niches. The “Bland Tedium” of the mainstream isn’t that “Cool” anymore since it’s almost open knowledge that it’s decided by CEOs versus actual fan reaction. Music itself is changing. Since a person can now do it all on their computer, why not just have a website and more or less “Cyberbusk” versus selling one’s soul to a big company?

      As far as your last part, the “Pay as you want is still a myth”? Well, just recently a bunch of indie guys (gamers) raised a million to split between themselves and charity from a “Pay as you want” sale and the ‘average’ donation was way more than 1 penny. A synth I got during a “Pay as you want” sale earned an estimated similar amount and it rivals the several hundred software synths, and I’ve already “Paid them back” by reffing some curious people to the software.

      The new ethic is “If you like it, support it. Vote with your dollars.”

      That gives a TON of power to “Indies” that just might be some freak splattering out his frustration on the world that causes him pain, but if he resonates with a few thousand people who donate a few bucks or more… Well he isn’t wasting away in a mansion with a “Zoo of shame” but he’s certainly given a cushion much better than any company would in RL, not that they’d ever touch him. He’ll likely never anytime soon get enough to totally detach but also because of that he won’t lose his edge, he’ll refine it.

      Yes, in the “Tip/Busking” economy a lot IS lost to “Theft”. But, again my analogy is not made up. Plenty of people do earn maybe a nickel from album sales, and in any case why do they ONLY earn (if you aren’t lying, and maybe aren’t for the top, top stars) that $1ish fro something that sells for the better part of $20? Why not 1/3 at least?

      See? Remove the CEO and all the middlemen, even with the reduced “Market” the small sales/tips are kept near 100% and there’s no CEO to tell you to “Tone it down a little” while screaming your foaming rage. It’s “Game Theory” in action.

  • Anonymous says:

    Oh yes, there you are. Masking insult for people not agreeing with you. Just because I wrote simple and straightforward answer, you brand me someone with a limited “Glasp of Engrish”

    Name calling? thats what childish people do. Are you one? Or do you not understand why so many people dont take you seriously. Apparently you live in an area where people like me are only consider having a limited “Glasp of Engrish”. Elitist attitude much?

    Do you write so much just so the people you are writing to brush it off as just another childish rant or do you really want to be taken seriously?

    You like the way im talking to you? Or should I just call you a troll? Im sure with your NOT so limited “Glasp of Engrish”, you know better.

    ====

    In short your logic and sense of economy have serious flaw off them.

    Donation doesnt work this way.In order to pay for the bandwidth of hosting a download site donation doesnt work. Go do some research please, theres plenty of famous DL sites out there. Relying on these non confirm and non steady income flow will NOT worked.

    Those that can worked? SEE what kind of ads are they associated with. No good company will be willing to do that. Even then do you really think they can generate good profits from it?
    Are the advertisers so stupid that they dont do their own research, paying them reasonable yet still as low as possible so as the advertisers maximise their own profit? Guess what, I sure hope they are. This solve so many things. Huge funds, what can people do with them.

    Why so you think many Non-profit Organisation have donation drive? you think they can survive with just “Tip Economy” and a tip jar and a P.O. box.

    And here we are talking about an actual company who goal is to maximise profit. Just like you who want to earn more.

    ====

    Lets get a bit specific.
    I never know many musician doesnt wish to get contacts, why dont you tell me who are they?

    Basking in streets, you never know who will come, who will give, you cant advertise, cant really ensure base amount of income. Limited fame to use to earn other source of income. Hell you are even subjected to weathers, rain, humidity, thunder, storm, snow and so on. Great way to earn good money for all the worth of their talents.

    Tipping is NOT a good way to earn.

    On the other side of the fences, you have the company. The image of artist, advertisement, booking of venue, improvement classes, gigs etc. Are all these free or cost minimum?

    How about the primal donna, their attitude, their terms, their working hours, their breakdown. Do you know much is one successful artiste going to support the many others who fail?

    I have no doubt that the company are going to suck as much out of artist as possible, it also work both ways, we are all going to maximise our income all the same.

    Sending/tipping/donating money anonymous. Let assume that is very good money to be made.

    That is one of the most ridiculous methods I can ever hear. Why do payment sites ask for lots of personal Information?
    How the hell can a legal company explain where did such funds comes from? They are not a Non profit organisation. How the hell are the accounts going to reflect that? Money laundering? Yakuza black money? Why since theres no way to check.

    “Plenty. And I did before the recession.”

    Oh so that means you are not donating now. Time to close down the company. its already uncertain before, now all is just lost. Who is the one playing other people lifehood? the contract or people like YOU.

    I can go on and on about your other points. guess that be too long and too much.

    P.S.

    Guess what. I never even mention Comic LO. Why is that so? Because We are seriously out of topic.
    Their point is simple, your feminist action are hurting our industry indirectly, why do we want to sell you our things that are meant only for ourselves when YOU are the people that is trying to destroy our lifehood?

    How about stopping the issue at your own backyard before asking them to open business for you.

      • Barbarian of Gor says:

        Take note also, assuming this thread will connect…

        I’m often attacked right out of hand, the usual “Ad Homenim” attack on the speaker when one simply doesn’t like what he’s saying. I say “ThoughtCrime is NOTCrime” on the “LOLI” issue, I’m almost called “Chester the Molester”… Then I make a joke back and I’m every name imaginable? Did you really check out your initial response to me? You really did “Mangre yuh Engrish” a bit and I’m certainly no “Grammar Nazi” myself;-)

        But I’ll say again, in case this connects to this rant;

        ALL music, literature, art, acting IS a form of “Busking”.

        Think my tip economy is a bad idea? Try singing for your supper through centuries of the Dark ages, one generation after another, but loving every minute of it:-) I’m of the “Bardic” roots, a profession made virtually ‘extinct’ by the “Muzik Industry”. I want it to die for that alone.

        You see, unlike the “Industry Insiders” I couldn’t care less about a gold plated swimming pool full of cocaine and now that computer technology has matured the “Tools” that used to be available only to the biggest corporations are within almost casual reach. Lots of DJ’s (not my scene, but the beat/rhythm is cool) operate off a laptop.

        I want the industry to die, so those with the “Muse” can carve out with an axe from it’s maggoty corpse some tiny “Niche” for themselves, “Outsider” or no. However, in my hate, I truly love them, they’ve done most of the work for me with their complacency. Their last gasp is suing their fanbase, costing far more in future sales (and making the pirates more careful) than any fees their lawyers eat. Even some “Insiders” are counter suing the RIAA, as read in a WIRED mag a while back, claiming their actions damaged their fan base and showed a loss in sales with none of the money extorted going to them, even in lawsuits showing their names on the paperwork.

        • Anonymous says:

          continue’ 2

          ok so again with the language stuff. We dont normally speak to people the same way we write formal essay etc. So yeah. Just as you dont judge a person proficiency in language base on their everyday casual speech.

          you dont start calling people names and expect to not be taken as tying to insult people. Know what? you are one of them.

          Coming back on topic. Legal company cant accept anonymous “donation” IF it even was significant enough, (i gone through so much to state its not even worth) Setting up oversea stores are just waiting to be destroy by the laws and groups waiting. So? clear up your own backyard mess before asking them do be willing to do business with you. If not? cutting outsiders off is one of the best way.

          Question. Why does it matters where Im from to point out the flaws in your ideas?

          Lastly, I said I will be kinder a bit.
          Well I failed,
          Im sorry.

        • Anonymous says:

          Continue’

          I have no idea at all with my limited “Glasp of Engrish” what you trying to say about your tipping attitude, so I will use an older post.

          I said “Guess what, it doesnt work. It doesnt work! Ask yourself have you donate yourself?”

          you answer
          “Plenty. And I did before the recession.”

          It still doesnt change that you dont “tip and donate” now yet still continue to enjoy all the entertainment.

          So what do they do now? Close down shop? Poor times, I still want and will enjoy your hard work but too bad no money for you.

          And then you move off from your tip and donation economy to one with a fix price plus tip and donation.

          See? your Tipping economy just got destroyed by yourself.

          Without advertisement, how are people going to know what is out and what is good? with millions of music out there. Most greatest hits have some one the BIGGEST advertisement budget too.

          Quality music are not easily just made with a computer. then what? Not good enough you dont deserved my money and Im in every way right to pirate it.

          If there are no backers will people even know about their music for them to sell? will they even have the funds to make quality music?

          Not with standing download bandwidth cost money to host.

          So where does all this money comes from?

          Go and research on many famous websites. they dont get significant donation if at all. they keep asking yet only that few people will give that few little peanuts.

          In the end what you are saying is current price of music is too expensive and want it cheaper/free. You tipping and donation and without big players are only going to make things worst then it currently is with all the piracy around.

          Humble Indie Bundle works only because it doesnt happen everyday and cost they link to charity. You dont see this kind of things constantly if even once in a blue moon.

        • Anonymous says:

          After answering above, here i am again below

          “Glasp of Engrish”, “Mangre yuh Engrish”, “Engrish is easy tu lealn but vely hald tu speck…”

          you know what all these have in common? Nonsense english words, misspelling.

          In case you still dont get it. This is what I ask “I dont see serious misspell of words like you implied. So POINT out to ME.”

          So now CAN I make up words and nonsense english that reflect about your reading ability, intelligent and wisdom and lack of self-awareness?

          Im sure it be fun and funny to you. And while here how about a little lack of EQ too?

          On a more serious note, and yet its you who take offense to others when they reply to you that made a little “fun” and “joke” of you when they disagree with your opinion. And yet now when its the other way round that you deem i should take it like a joke and not be serious.
          Answer me this: And I ask why?

          In case you still dont get things I dont aim to type perfect english like writing official papers. I dont get graded on how perfect my english is in a casual forum, I write to get my point across in the way i intended it.

        • Barbarian of Gor says:

          Hokay, as requested here’s a breakdown of your first reply rant that prompted me to make a joke that you take so seriously…

          I’ve added numbers to help

          “””””””
          1. Yeah like donation really works.

          2. How many manga sites can relay on donation to run?

          3. How many have sell off to advertiser rules in the recent banned hammer

          4. Im talking about sites that have all kind of genes, not recounting sites of only XXX.

          5. Guess what, it doesnt work. It doesnt work! Ask yourself have you donate yourself?

          “”””””””””””””

          1. By itself it’d work and only a “Grammar Nazi” would find fault, which I certainly am not. I’d have never made that remark if you left it at that sentence, but I certainly type long screeds myself so I cant cast stones there either… In light of your further statements, it added to the “Engrish” effect.

          2. “Can relay on donation to run”? Perhaps a typo, and again I wouldn’t have pounced for that one. The funny part, while I get what you are trying to say, is that “Run” is a physcial activity related to “a race” (not skin color, I mean athletics) and a “Relay” is a type of athletic race.

          Now, we get to #3:
          3. How many have sell off to advertiser rules in the recent banned hammer

          Seriously, this is “LOL WTF!?” territory here. I’m having trouble understanding what you are meaning here.

          4. Im talking about sites that have all kind of genes, not recounting sites of only XXX.

          A sudden change of subject, note that it’s a frequent “Argument” tactic of the right wingers. I was making a suggestion hoping to help Tenma/LO.

          The errors are: “Im” versus “I’m” The comma is for “Posessive” but meaning a person, or intelligent entity. Fred’s house. But unless its Fred’s furniture its “House furniture”. No biggie here, some people really struggle over making this decision.

          Then “Genes”. You mean “Genre” but you can usually get away with “Genres” though the first is plural also… (few know or care, but I’d advise the first)

          “Not recounting sites of only XXX”. I understand, but the placement is funny. Let me re-write your setence as I’d try to say it, though again the placement of words isn’t entirely “An island” the rest of the paragraph affects it:

          Suggestion—-“I mean all online media, not just adult subject matter.”

          5. The last one, this will really drive you crazy, you needed the comma in “Doesn’t”. The reason for this is it’s not a “Posessive” issue, it’s a “Gestalt” issue, the same as the “It is” I just typed. “Does Not” becomes doesn’t even if the subject matter is or is not a person. “That Machine Doesn’t work”, “Uncle Fred is a slacker who doesn’t work”…

          —and, last but not least: Ask yourself have you donate yourself?

          Here’s how to say it: “Ask yourself, have you donated yourself?”

          Note the comma, it’s critical there. “It’s” also because I probably should have said “It is” versus “the clock and its cogs” though some write that with the apostrophe because they might be “Personifying” the thing… Also, the “Donate” becomes “Donated”.

          Alternative ways would be “Do you donate yourself?”, “Do you yourself support this ‘tip economy’ you so enshrine?”

          Now, since then you’ve been saying at first I thought deliberately twisting my words that I said that I did in the past tense. That I tipped, but now the recession has come…or something.

          Actually, and let me clarify it for you, I totally support my “New Media” in that I seek out and strongly consider and often buy from people who do put their stuff out mostly for “Free” and want a donation for it. And I don’t mean a trifle here and there, I “Vote with my dollars and support what I like”. As I pass on to give others the idea, I do so myself.

          My projection of a new “Tip” economy is that people divy up an “Entertainment Budget” say they before spent at least $20 a month on a new CD… Well the new economy, an artist could put together their own CD with a computer digital studio program on their own computer. (Like I have) Note “CD” is just an old term, no need for plastic, it can be digital download entirely. So they can “Sell” it online for as much or as little as they can justify it for.

          This “New Economy” the artists for a CD could make a full CD available for $5. Not having to pay for plastic, middle men, the CEO and investors, advertising, would mean that they could still haul home many times more than a record company would let them keep. Some give it away all for free and hope for donations, others just sell with download links, and most are in-between. I’d suggest to most they make the older ones “Free” but with a “Suggested donation” then keep their new ones on affordable download $ links for up to about a year, and that’s when they (asking nicely) ask their fans to not distribute or make a tribute (YouTube AMV) without talking with them first.

          The way I see it, that $20, instead of one CD that is likely very bad music when you open it, can buy (at least) four CD equivalents directly online from musicians that almost all let you listen and trust you to pay them and they don’t have to make “Formulaic Tripe” to please a CEO and established formats.

          Yes, I buy music even when I can “Steal” it. And I am not alone.

          Here’s an example: “The Humble Indie Bundle” – google it since posting hyperlinks here causes a real delay. They let people “Pay what they wanted” for some “Indie” but good games, then divy’d the money between them and charity. They went well past their goal of US$1 million. And they even released their source code so other “Indie” wanna-be’s could learn from and emulate them.
          —“Divy’d” – “Divided Up”, not a good conjunction, or grammar, but used enough it’s ok. Likewise “Google it” isn’t good grammar, but used so often it’s ok, though I should have said “Type the quotes into Google, if I post a direct hyperlink it’ll take too long to show up here.” and I checked with Google to make sure my instructions work. (English version!)

          Anyways, I corrected your grammar up thread and I do it in the sake of education. Except for the third, I understood you properly. Also, I have seen some “English” native speakers blurt out stuff as bad or worse typing, and emotion was a part of it as I expect it is with you, even before my non-PC joke.

          —-If I’m gathering you right, do you work in “The entertainment industry”? And if so, in what part, may I inquire? You don’t have to be specific, because this alias of mine is also for privacy on my part.

          Upthread, as this thing is split a bit, I made a reply to you that just showed up, you might search for
          “”””
          Films:

          -Have you seen-
          “Fight Club”
          “Conan the Barbarian”
          “””””

          to find it.

          I highlight more my motivations, and make refs to those films (some stuff in the ‘mainstream’ I do like, though it’s very, very rare) and I hope you have/will watch them I’ll say again:-)

          I “Corrected” your grammar at the end in one place, though, and please don’t get mad. I’m totally willing to help you iron out stuff and in the interest of politeness and friendship.

        • Anonymous says:

          Yes it is a connected thread. Its Me again Mister limited “Glasp of Engrish

          And yet your are doing the same things to others (note: me) and yet you want to NOT be look at the same way as the trolls you speck of. So…. yeah.

          Oh yes. I made a 5 sentence respond and just by that you call me someone with a limited “Glasp of Engrish and now theres even a new term to call me: “Mangre yuh Engrish”

          So show me then that I really wrote things so bad. its only 5 sentences, I see one common misuse of words, I dont see serious misspell of words like you implied. So POINT out to ME.

          Yes I do and still think your tipping economy is bad. In fact very very bad. In dark age i can rape and kill a woman and will be known as a great hero because of that. Guess what, dont be shock: time changes, cant do that now.

          Loving your art can only bring you so far without money to improve and be better and so able to love your art even more. Artiste are also human, if they are worried that they cant get their next meal, can they preform their best or upgrade to give better performance?

          And yet the very same famous DJ release their remix through company, why is that so then?

          and next is your personal ranting. Is there any value in it to our discussion here?

          I brought up many other points and is this the only one you can point out to me?
          look, you dont even tip now.

  • Anonymous says:

    It’s not Xenophobia you dumb fuck its the truth. Christ fags and feminists are kicking up a shit storm which in turn forces Japanese politicians into proposing absurd laws.

    Te way you worded the article made me think LO editors said something derogatory but instead it is just you being a faggot and exaggerating a perfectly good statement.

  • domination says:

    I must had kill dozens of loli’s already! lol
    Since i known the series from Internet and bough several merchandise from Comic LO!
    Comic Lo market is only for JP the rest countries just download! simple no? jailess free no?

  • Lolicon-4-ever says:

    Well the reason I don’t buy it is because it’s illegal here in the US ti import it. I don’t want a postal worker going through my shit without my say so and landing my ass in prison! Maybe Comic LO should seriously consider doing online subscriptions where you pay for a magazine subscription and download it when it becomes available in Japan. Problem solved: no getting caught by the moral police in the postal service and not having to pay import fees.

    • The postal inspectors seem to have completely forgotten about this little thing called right to privacy and free speech.

      The founding fathers would have them dragged out into the street and shot for what they do.

      Loli is not my thing but I feel it should be defended under free speech as it does not harm anyone.

      The KKK and various religious conservative groups are allowed to preach their messages of hate.

      • Barbarian of Gor says:

        I’d say “ThoughtCrime is NOTcrime!”…

        On almost anything else it would be, but they rave “Think of the Children!” and it gives those who despise our freedom (and I don’t mean Islamic Fundies) a stepping stone to other freedoms.

        My analogy is that if someone thinks someone who reads “Loli Manga” should go to jail as if they were at least a perv with REAL “Captain Planet” they should also be for jailing all these kids playing “Grand Theft Auto”…

  • Anonymous says:

    Why do many people never read the article properly?

    From ever and ever only artifact have been calling western dirty gaijin and yet many people never notice

    And ever and ever, is it not correct to say that most of the censorship issue originated from the west(read: Mostly USA). The locals in short are just the one pick up following the trend.

    Prove to me that all my sentences are not correct at all.

    you can say they are many ways and yes there really are many ways to solve the on going propose to banned this and that.

    Guess what. One of the ways is to prevent outside influence of their own industry which is targeted to serving their own domestic consumption.
    Yet many people dont seems to want to understand that.

    you know what? “you people are the ones who wants to pirate our stuffs and yet you people are also the one who want to destroy our industry.” And yet the same people get so worked up that the creators are stopping them from accessing and viewing their work.

    you meant that the creators dont have rights? and only the people pirating and trying to destroy their work have?

    Oh yeah this is what having freedom is like. Only My Own

    • Anonymous says:

      None of what you have said changes the fact that the japanese aren’t fighting against censorship in their own country, instead they blame foreign influence which in this case is ultimately irrelevant. I say that because illegal downloads aren’t going to change the laws being pushed for, only they can do that, but instead they remain complacent and blame everyone but themselves for the encroaching censorship . When these laws pass they will be the ones to blame for not fighting it.

      • Anonymous says:

        Maybe you should read things more thoroughly before you speck.

        They are asking their own country people not to upload all these stuff, let them stay in their OWN country (read: Japan). And are you missing mangaka and such people against the loli and similar banned being propose?

        Selective oblivious?

        Or are you still saying that if not for foreign influence will things have gotten to this stage?

        They are tying to fix their problem and ONE of them is to ask international party (read: THE USA) to in kind ways: hands off or in rude ways: fuck off of they policy. If such things never gotten to the hands of foreigner will things become these way?

        They are tying to fix and yet the foreign people like you are not willing to let them.

        Foreigner like you are one of the problems and the one problem they will want to solve. By restricting works that was never meant for you.

        And what are you doing then? Why arent you fixing the fire thats in your own backyard and yet giving excuses the way other people trying to fix is wrong only because it will affect you negatively.

        I say again:
        Oh yeah this is what having freedom is like. Only My Own

        • Anonymous says:

          “They are tying to fix and yet the foreign people like you are not willing to let them.”

          Who says we aren’t willing to let them? I never did. I do however take issue with the blame completely being placed on foreigners.

          “Or are you still saying that if not for foreign influence will things have gotten to this stage? ”

          They have been pushing the censorship issues on and off for years before anyone stuck their nose into it. So yeah it would/will hapeen eventually if the don’t do anything about it except pass the blame, and fight.

        • Anonymous says:

          “illegal downloads aren’t going to change the laws being pushed for, only they can do that, but instead they remain complacent and blame everyone but themselves for the encroaching censorship . When these laws pass they will be the ones to blame for not fighting it.”

          Just in case you missed it and I did say “their own country” I never said anything about the retarded laws in the US or whatever country it is you automatically assume I am from, which BTW is irrelevant. Lets not kid ourselves that Japan would be free from censorship if not for those lousy foreign influences, surely you have seen the mosaiced porn? and these laws where getting ready to go into place before rapelay, they have been on and off about it for years.

        • Anonymous says:

          Mr Anon 15:55 and 16:03

          I presume you are the same person. Even if you are not, you two are on the same wavelength.

          Oh come on. you want to get technical? I never know there are retarded LAWS in the US or whatever country that can have an effect on JAPAN.

          In fact if you read my post I nv once mention that I presume you are from the US. Its you who presume I do. As long as you are not in Japan as their citizen, you are the international and foreigner Im referring to.
          Or if you feel so sure of yourself, point to me where is it im wrong.

          I really wonder if you are the one trying to kid your own selves that international pressure have NO effect AT ALL in all those Cases of the Ban and the ones been in propose.

          Things have been on and off for years. Yes right, but when did things start to become serious and in place? When the international parties gotten involved. Are you so damned sure to tell me that International parties do not even have the slightest effect that pushed those bans and propose ban?
          Theres a limit to selective oblivious you know?

          Whether they COMPLETELY put the Blame on just foreign parties I dont know and wont comment. Lets face it, they are not wrong to say international and foreign party are one source of problem. So whats wrong with them fixing them? Just trying to put out one fire at a time. Just because it affect you?

          You even point out that things have been going on and off for years (which I dont know about that, I PRESUME you know that better) and yet you still saying that nothing is been doing domestically to fight? Hello? Are you contradicting yourself?

  • Anonymous says:

    Dear, Japanese manga creators:

    How about pressuring the US government to fully embrace lolicon and shotacon. Block the US embassy (or do some S&M bondages onto the American diplomats, I don’t know) in Tokyo to voice your monetary concerns.

    Thank you.

    • Anonymous says:

      Dear residents of the USA

      How about you yourself go pressure the government (maybe like you said do some S&M bondage onto your own president) you yourself elected to voice your concerns so you can buy/pirate them as legal as possible.

      Why must you push the problem to other people?

    • sosoueme8th says:

      LO didn’t say “dirty foreigner” by the way.
      they only said don’t upload to avoid international problem.

      it’s the sankaku author who wrote “dirty foreigner” lol.
      you seems to be mentally retarted.

      now you, dirty American bronxdragon. go die with nuke. NewYork and Washington should be bomb to erase all the feminatiz and politic pigs dirts.

  • >It's their moral duty.

    No, it isn't. Even if it were, the international ero manga reading community has not lived up anywhere close to its end of the theoretical bargain. It amuses me that so many are readily willing to participate in something like a draw Muhammad day to troll people who live half a world away, yet no one takes up pencils to challenge the injustices and legal quackery in their own back yard. If the otaku of the western world want to change their own laws, they need to risk their own liberties to preserve them. That means being creative, drawing comics, developing your own artistic community that can stand by the Japanese mangaka shoulder to shoulder. Complaining anonymously on the net, when it is the livelihoods of mangaka at risk, is far from heroic.

    I agree with you on the failure of the otaku of the western world and while complaining anonymously on the net is INDEED far from heroic, the penalties (at least in the US) are so horrendous that no one SHOULD risk their freedom with a direct challenge. (In case you didn't follow my posting earlier today, US sentences for "obscene" lolicon follow the same guidelines as for real child porn.) In a very real sense, this kind of art isn't defensible in much of the West. One artist, who did not use any depictions of real minors to make his art (it all came from his head) was "civilly" confined as a direct consequence of that art. (You can see two examples of his drawings on my blog.)

    But the situation is far more nuanced than you suggest. Neil Gaiman took a public stance on his blog to defend lolicon manga in the Handley case (which consisted of mangas by Nekogen, among others). Moreover, the fact that, post-Handley, there are still hundreds of US-based blogs and sites that offer lolicon is defiance of a sort. I don't think they're online out of sheer ignorance, but I could be wrong.

    • I think some could remain ignorant, but it has been a while and various controversies so I think maybe a lot perhaps the majority are informed. I think we’re awaiting people to take a stand instead of taking a plea bargain like Handley did against Gaiman’s recommendations.

  • Simon Jones said:
    Comic LO is just an imprint of Akaneshinsha.

    Manga released under the LO imprint are unsuitable for publication in the US. Stores would not carry them. Distributors would refuse to do business with the publisher. Every state with obscenity laws would initiate criminal proceedings, as well as the federal government under the Patriot and Walsh acts. I kid you not.

    I'm glad you say that, as there are quite a few people on this site that persist in thinking that Comic LO could win an obscenity prosecution. Of course they're sadly mistaken.

    Don't get me wrong, Comic LO is a great publication. It certainly SHOULD be legal and if people in the US, UK, Australia, etc. had any brains, it would be. Akaneshinsha is an exemplary company with its 'no touch' admonishments in the pages of Comic LO.

  • comic lo produces probably some of the best loli material there is but like all businesses they just want to protect their property and make money.

    too bad for them that they publish loli content, it’s not exactly something you want to talk about or be seen proudly buying in a store, hence the majority of those interested, download it, a bit more safer i would expect.

  • Anonymous says:

    “More sinisterly, they tell fans that illegal uploads allow even dirty foreigners to get their hands on Japan’s arts, …”

    YEEEES! I’m a dirty foreigner, a filthy gaijin! Hate me, HATE ME MORE! It’s fun!

  • Why are people worried about minors seeing stuff they want to see? I can understand worrying about accidental exposure, but I don’t think that’s very likely to happen with loli manga.

    • Minors can also see porn with adults, aren’t both supposed to be soul-shatteringly harmful that it ruins their souls to a tortured existence for the rest of existence where the release of death is a mercy, if they catch a second’s glimpse of a nipple or clit?

    • This is basically at the fault of feminazis and nutjob overzealous moms. They refuse to take the blame of taking precautions against these sort of things themselves, so they conveniently blame the producers of the content. Just like they blamed TV show creators cause they showed something that was considered “bad” instead of teaching their children not to watch the show and teaching them why not to watch it.

      Right down to it, its bullshit political correctness at its worst. I’m proud to say i’ve told every self-absorbed overzealous mom that shes a shit parent for trying to shift the blame onto someone else when its hers. Perhaps if we all started to get in their faces a bit more, maybe they would back down after being intimidated by actual common decency.

  • Barbarian of Gor says:

    Uh, and if you buy and import into AmeriKKKa you go to JAIL as if you “Raeped” a real Loli… (1)

    Here’s my suggestion to Comic LO:

    —-long and short
    “Ask for donations.”

    Seriously. Set up both a PayPal site (2) and a RL Snail mail drop box. (sure you have some workers/fans in AmeriKKKa) Ask people to send you money orders by mail.

    —–expanded
    You didn’t and really couldn’t (even before the crazy crackdown) sell in AmeriKKKa or many places outside japan. But a lot of people like your work. It’s “Old Fashioned” but plenty of people will “Tip”. They even pay others to translate the Manga, though obviously are paranoid over your genre.

    So, be nice and let the fans download and share in file lockers/torrents/etc., but put up sites and mail addresses for “Donations”. Lots of people would gladly donate to relieve “Guilt” that they “Stole” (though they couldn’t buy) your stuff.

    -Can you cash a money order in Japan, say from a Wal-Mart? Low fee, you don’t have to use your RL name to get one, and they cash readily.

    Really, put a notice -in English- asking for donations, sent either to a US address or mailed to Japan. Lots of people would gladly send you money orders (or more) and you’d get thousands from a market that you never tried to market in and was closed to you. Have the name be “Japan private Arts Foundation” or something innocuous. That way they are ‘donating to an artist’ not purchasing (fake) Party Van:-)

    Last, but not least, if any of these “Moralist” groups try to stop you, SUE THEM. Also ask big time for US fans to support. Some are probably lawyers. The law in their hands will work for you.

    There’s a phrase in AmeriKKKa “If you think Godzilla’s Bad, wait till you talk to his lawyer.” over how aggressively that property’s parent corporation defended it. Well, even though people have been busted, it’s not really illegal. There is lots of vile, illegal stuff you can sue over—and win. Ask any cable company that sues to enforce contracts that are open lies and gateways to hidden charges at least double the advertised rate. These “Crusader” groups will run like bunnies at a fursuit lifestyler convention when they face the loss of their homes, cars, hubby’s wages garnished…

    ——Notes
    1-I wonder how many ACTUAL “Raeps” “Equality Now”, “Justice by Points in AmeriKKKa” and other “Moralists” will actually cause trying to get 2D stuff banned? It’s pretty simple to go on a “Sex Tour” and with the internet the way it is, one could just “Cloud” any “Vacation Pics” from a server there and download later at their leisure, using full encryption. Ain’t my thang, the regular Asian ladies are petite and cute enough for me, but again I’m planning a similar (adult women) operation and due to overzealous nutbags and cheap petty Hitlers at the airport plan on similar tactics myself.

    2-PayPal doesn’t allow sales for “Erotic” services, but plenty of “Tip Jars” (such as for Poser Porn personal sites) are tolerated since it’s a ‘gift’ not a ‘service’. But I think the “Safest” method for all parties is mailing money orders, traveler’s checks, and cash.

    • I don’t believe it’s correct to say they ’caused’ rape simply by reducing the availability of alternatives.

      Causes are multifaceted, as are treatments. However, removing treatment alternatives (like not allowing a cannibal to eat some chicken) does seem troublesome.

    • Anonymous says:

      Yeah like donation really works.

      How many manga sites can relay on donation to run?

      How many have sell off to advertiser rules in the recent banned hammer

      Im talking about sites that have all kind of genes, not recounting sites of only XXX.

      Guess what, it doesnt work. It doesnt work! Ask yourself have you donate yourself?

      • Barbarian of Gor says:

        Sir, I’ll treat you as someone with a limited “Glasp of Engrish” rather than a troll:-) You might just be someone who works in the industry. I am not saying these things lightly. Please, best you can, read on—

        A lot of musicians now wish they’d stayed playing at bars and on the street corner rather than ‘signing contracts’ with big companies. Once the initial rush of fame is over, they find themselves scraping for pennies even when their albums sell well. The music industry blames “File Sharing” but it’s actually their contracts that do that.

        The real “Crime” is that say you passed a musician playing on a street corner and perhaps liking their stuff, perhaps sympathy you tossed $1 into their hat, you’d pay them far more than if they were a “Pro” and you paid $18.99 for their official CD. It’s usually a nickel or often nothing, all but the best pros only earn a quarter, tops. That is why they have to tour so much, essentially “Busking” at a higher level, again paying “TicketMolester” to gouge the fans, IMO.

        Now, while caution is needed to make direct analogies, a “Tip Economy” could certainly work for LO, in at least as far as getting them more money.

        The logic:

        They weren’t even trying (spending time/money) to market in outside areas. But the demand for their product fueled it’s “Illegal” trade. Therefore, they should indeed set up a “Tip Jar”/”Mail Dump” and go “Busking” to the international market. In essence promise not to prosecute/sue any “Downloaders” (1) but ask them to contribute money, ideally a $5 money order for every issue they take from now on and though it’s a tight economy consider donating at least $25 for the back catalog.
        —-The same things that let Japanese sites have regional stuff could let them set up a page for “Gajin” that wouldn’t conflict with their regular stuff.

        1-I didn’t say “Uploaders” which are easier to trace, stop, sue…or at least file DMCA notices repeatedly to limit the spread. “Download”/”File Locker” services have advertising, they could let them legally host their stuff in exchange for a share of ad revenue.

        >Im talking about sites that have all kind of genes, not recounting sites of only XXX.

        I’m talking about this specific genre, there’s no “Blanket Fix”…

        In LO’s case, the outside market is a “Gray Market” at best. It should be A-OK by the technicality that “Thought Crime is NotCrime” but the subject matter is targeted by “Moral Panic”. If they set up a “You pay/You Order” site, the accounts could be seized, people buying could be targeted for arrest and literally treated as bad as if they’d for real molested a child/had real “Captain Planet”…etc. Sending $ directly to Japan where they still are legal, the $ just goes into an account, and can’t be traced back to the original.

        They’d have very little to lose and could even boost their salaries/options with an outside ‘tip’ economy of most of the world. Might even start making English ready stories for that…?

        >Guess what, it doesnt work. It doesnt work! Ask yourself have you donate yourself?

        Plenty. And I did before the recession.

        You see, this “new economy” won’t work for everyone. Most of the giant, monolithic businesses, we WANT to crash. Now, not by “Stealing” their stuff, I don’t like it, I don’t “Consume” it legally or otherwise. But the “Music Industry” that wants to decide what the next #1 hit will be over a golf game and keep out any “Outsiders” unless they sell their souls for a one-three year ride then get trashed, they have to go. Literally a “Busking” economy will pay many musicians more than they’d get paid by a big company. Eventually the big companies won’t be able to buy and own all the radio stations and extort the record stores and they’ll start “Selling what people are willing to buy” again.

        So, called “Micropayments” are still coming and going, but will get ironed out eventually. Along the way, plenty of people can set up a tip jar and a P.O. box to get ‘donations’ sent to them.

        But this economy does work.
        I’m keeping this avatar an alias but:

        1. I’ve bought some hardware with ‘donations’ from a ‘zine I made, part from having ‘tip jars’ at RL stores, part from online donations.
        2. I’ve not bought much from the mass media, don’t even use TV anymore. But the few things I like/want to see, I can almost always get used dirt cheap, no ‘stealing’.
        3. The things I have actively bought for entertainment and productivity, have been online and from “Pay what you want”/”Tip me” options which, btw, I HAVE and not just trifles. I do “Practice what I preach” and “Support what I like”.
        –I’d rather support a producer directly, than pay who buys and sells his labors.

        This “New Economy” is meant to be the end of the “Big Media Companies” and to re-empower the “individual” artist. Japan’s a different case since the “Giant Company” has become enshrined. But at the same time, too many people are getting underpaid and pushed out and thus the ‘stealing/alterantive economy’ has appeal.

        Tenma comics, if I understand, is a middling/big player. Embracing a “new economy” -that is giving the creators more say (I think they do that with LO) and more pay (again, ditto, based on sales) they can thrive. Otherwise, the creators could just go independant since they tend to be doodling what they doodle cause they LIKE doing it, naughty boys…

        Oh, and here’s how one “Independant” mangaka could “Sell” online, even “Gray” market to a market where nobody wants a bank/credit record showing they paid “X” for “Naughty Loli bondage comic #45”. Send cash or a m/o with a Number written on it, like “123dxi345” nothing too ridiculous. Then, from an HTTPS web page, type in the code, get a download link;-) Let’s say “Fushigi” (?name right?) to cite a recent example has to go “Solo” that’s a way he could sell downloads instantly (and get donations) in his and other markets. There might still be some “Trading” well, shame on them, but that might work out as an ad and in the long run help more than hurt- Just put a page, like with the “Doll” character going “Did you pay for me? If not, please do, so you’ll support my creator making more of me!”

        The only remaining argument, and forgive me this is quite long, even for me, is the “Exposure = Censor”. Well, thanks to “Equality Now” which is operating within and lobbying within Japan for this push, the “Naked Neko Mimi girl wearing a thong bondage bikini partly” is already out of Galaxist/Blade’s bag. You’ve got to defend her now, or they’ll get her banned and seriously not just “Misdemeanor” seriously, then they’ll move to other porn not stopping at anything because they don’t care about “2D Loli” they just hate all men.

        • Anonymous says:

          All right it appears that you resort to name callings instead, just because I dont agree with you.

          it also seems that my reply to you doesnt want to show here but instead below at
          Comment by Anonymous
          09:54 24/05/2010 # !

          Feel free to look if you are even interested.

        • Anonymous says:

          Oh yes, there you are. Masking insult for people not agreeing with you. Just because I wrote simple and straightforward answer, you brand me someone with a limited “Glasp of Engrish”

          Name calling? thats what childish people do. Are you one? Or do you not understand why so many people dont take you seriously. Apparently you live in an area where people like me are only consider having a limited “Glasp of Engrish”. Elitist attitude much?

          Do you write so much just so the people you are writing to brush it off as just another childish rant or do you really want to be taken seriously?

          You like the way im talking to you? Or should I just call you a troll? Im sure with your NOT so limited “Glasp of Engrish”, you know better.

          ====

          In short your logic and sense of economy have serious flaw off them.

          Donation doesnt work this way.In order to pay for the bandwidth of hosting a download site donation doesnt work. Go do some research please, theres plenty of famous DL sites out there. Relying on these non confirm and non steady income flow will NOT worked.

          Those that can worked? SEE what kind of ads are they associated with. No good company will be willing to do that. Even then do you really think they can generate good profits from it?
          Are the advertisers so stupid that they dont do their own research, paying them reasonable yet still as low as possible so as the advertisers maximise their own profit? Guess what, I sure hope they are. This solve so many things. Huge funds, what can people do with them.

          Why so you think many Non-profit Organisation have donation drive? you think they can survive with just “Tip Economy” and a tip jar and a P.O. box.

          And here we are talking about an actual company who goal is to maximise profit. Just like you who want to earn more.

          ====

          Lets get a bit specific.
          I never know many musician doesnt wish to get contacts, why dont you tell me who are they?

          Basking in streets, you never know who will come, who will give, you cant advertise, cant really ensure base amount of income. Limited fame to use to earn other source of income. Hell you are even subjected to weathers, rain, humidity, thunder, storm, snow and so on. Great way to earn good money for all the worth of their talents.

          Tipping is NOT a good way to earn.

          On the other side of the fences, you have the company. The image of artist, advertisement, booking of venue, improvement classes, gigs etc. Are all these free or cost minimum?

          How about the primal donna, their attitude, their terms, their working hours, their breakdown. Do you know much is one successful artiste going to support the many others who fail?

          I have no doubt that the company are going to suck as much out of artist as possible, it also work both ways, we are all going to maximise our income all the same.

          Sending/tipping/donating money anonymous. Let assume that is very good money to be made.

          That is one of the most ridiculous methods I can ever hear. Why do payment sites ask for lots of personal Information?
          How the hell can a legal company explain where did such funds comes from? They are not a Non profit organisation. How the hell are the accounts going to reflect that? Money laundering? Yakuza black money? Why since theres no way to check.

          “Plenty. And I did before the recession.”

          Oh so that means you are not donating now. Time to close down the company. its already uncertain before, now all is just lost. Who is the one playing other people lifehood? the contract or people like YOU.

          I can go on and on about your other points. guess that be too long and too much.

          P.S.

          Guess what. I never even mention Comic LO. Why is that so? Because We are seriously out of topic.
          Their point is simple, your feminist action are hurting our industry indirectly, why do we want to sell you our things that are meant only for ourselves when YOU are the people that is trying to destroy our lifehood?

          How about stopping the issue at your own backyard before asking them to open business for you.

      • Barbarian of Gor says:

        I’d love to do that, if I could get some more support and participation.

        Look at ‘2Chan’ and ‘something awful’. Just a group of -well place nasty words here- but working together for crazy goals, they take ‘griefing’ and ‘cyberharassment’ to new levels that previous hackers could only daydream about. That earns them big respect in my book:-)

        What we’d do, if I could point directions and make polite suggestions:-)

        1. Become unapolagetic, rabid defenders of free speech no matter how repulsive or disgusting. Focusing on Loli, small press, political speech, porn and prostitution.
        2. Target and attack groups that try to limit other’s rights. Primarily “Equality Now” and the one-agenda “Ultra PC” groups that do more harm than good to true free speech/expression by enshrining and smearing in the face whatever goal/perversion they champion.
        3. For fun, include some “David Icke” stuff exposing the “Global Conspiracy”:-) I could expand on that to show why it’s fun.
        4. Help create/spread a “New Economy” of giving a promotional and advertising springboard to people embracing a “New Music/New Art” stuff where it’s the independents producing and selling to the consumer directly and some free but wanting tips, some sales, but all a lot looser and freer than the “old school” big companies. Here and Japan and around the world:-)
        —Maybe someday my stuff in my real alias will pop up but it won’t be my promoing myself. I’ll “Fess up” to the owners for review so there’s no “Conflict of interest”
        5. Stand up for the “Male”. I don’t mean “White Male” I’m not racist despite some un-PC jokes. But the “Man” is getting the shaft in this day and age. We should include some “Macho” links, esp get all our Neet friends in better shape and outgoing a bit!
        6. “Target” companies that we think are lousy creeps/worthy of ostracism and punishment.

        Now, I am from both “Radical Yippie/2nd generation Hippie” roots and from “old school liberal” think 30s from my late grandfather. I grew up learning about “Activism” but I am also a modern man. A group like this could have a lot of effects on society and the world and I could “Layer” things and “Guide” things to make it near impossible to sue us or trace any actions “by members acting against our guidelines and ideals”. And I’d make sure we had an identity and fun all along the way! Think “Fight Club” but without the hitting each other.

        Would people here like to go onwards, to work towards something?

        • Barbarian of Gor says:

          I might ask then “Why” you ask “Why”, though that reminds me of a parody of European art films…?

          I really bared my motives open, far more than in my personal blogs attached to my RL name. You said “Have I gone off the depths?” when I cited them, that does make me feel insulted, them or the movies…

          I think ultimately you think I’m “Wrong” in my planned actions, perhaps some moral argument…

          Well, if let’s say a tiny Island nation revolts against a “Puppet Dictator” setup by the USA during the cold war cause he’s a walking advertisement for the cause of ahem “Radical Leftism”…Or, to be fair, by the Sovs as a counter example, even if he’s a “Pig that thinks he’s most equal”…(citing a novel there, know it?) Well, if they were overthrowing the “Devil Foreigners” who used them as a toxic waste toilet, cheap labor, and their women as “Sex Tour” living blow up dolls, (heh heh) well, wouldn’t you cheer them on?

          You might downplay my personal motives, being of a “Bardic” line who’s faced a “Soft Ethnic Cleansing” in western culture. Make no mistake, it matters far more than us being able to “Sing for our supper” or get into the “Muzik Business” like it was just another “Job/Career”. Indeed the marginalization and decline of “The bard” is a good part of how “Western” culture became such a scourge on the rest of the world, a centuries long conspiracy for raw power.

          The “Kings” didn’t fear the next “King” as often as they feared the “Bard”. Behind every despot that got overthrown there was a Bard. They could kill them for openly calling for revolution, but only the crudest wanna-be’s did that. King Arthur, btw, was quite tolerant of bards, giving them a ‘free speech’ that is only matched in modern times, and I think that name speaks for itself. We were never really “Political” though, only using that in times of dire need. Not wanting difficulty even a rather lousy king would get “a praise” from us, often that would even inspire him to be less brutal or more attentive.

          I don’t know if there’s any eastern equivalent, but the Bards were kind of a ‘spiritual’ class. They rarely had any real money or power, often they could be criticized as “Glorified Beggars” but they ran with it and made it work. They also got to bed (secretly) lots of ladies of all classes, including nobility, then some “Mysterious” bastards were taken in by them later, so they were all classes but also noble.

          But with the ups and downs of kings, the “Banker” the “Pig that devours usury” was far worse. He wanted to carve a space for himself between the king whom he despised and envied and the peoples he merely despised and he did it largely from the people’s money, making their lot far worse as the “Industrial Revolution” came into play.

          We weren’t really a threat to all but the worst of kings, but we were a dire threat to the companies that exploited the people. A rural populace being moved to the cities to work up to 18 hour days in “Satanic Mills” for even worse poverty and poor health had no time to idle and listen to us sing. So we sang against it, helping the onset of “Revolution” or at least “union”. “Woody Guthrie” any official line or not, is considered one of the last great Bards.

          That is why they conspired to keep us out of the “Mainstream” media. Now, really, if they’d let us alone we wouldn’t have directly been a threat to the “media empires”. We were good at telling stories and entertainment, but not so much businessmen who we tended to not work well with, our “Muse” is fickle, not a good “Assembly line worker”. We’d have “Learned what we had to” about running a business but no real aggressive merchandise and compromise of ideals for a ‘wider market’. Left alone we’d have just adapted for the times and carved a niche, as low as 5% of the mega companies monopolies, but we wouldn’t exactly be suit wearing CEOs, just a number of “Muppet Shows” but with real shaggy hyperactive people instead of those demented and cool puppets.

          BUT-we’d have then had a public voice and say.
          That, they could not afford.

          And it would have affected how the USA behaved. The USA has been the “American Empire” for a long time, and due to a controlled media, the USA’s people have been ignorant and complacent with it. We’d have been protesting all of it, not with signs, but with our regular shows lampooning it in a way even the ‘right wingers’ would laugh themselves silly listening to it, but deep inside they’d know wrong was being done and go to stop it.

          The “Mass media” now is full of “Disposable puppets” but even then it’s devastating when one of them goes wild, like turning against the Vietnam war. If there had been an entrenched “Independent” media of kooky and fully non-contracted voices, they’d have not gotten away with half of what they did.

        • Anonymous says:

          Alright then If you really deem that this discussion is over, then so be it.

          I just say a few words here. Fight club and Conan the barbarian are no doubt good or even great movies, I will never know why or how you can come to the conclusion im insulting it.

          I ask so many questions and made little statement and yet I never got mush answers at all. And I would again ask why? Yet Im still trying like a fool. Why do I even bother?

          In the very end, still all you come to conclude is that im looking for petty Last word wins and want to “win”. “win” what?

        • Barbarian of Gor says:

          >Fight club? are you serious? Conan the
          >Barbarian? Have you gone off the depths?

          Uh, you insult about the ONLY movie I liked during the 90s made by a “Mainstream” studio, and the “Citizen Kane” movie experience of my childhood, and you call me a name caller? I should be tempted to get mad at you. After all, I saw Conan in grade school on the big screen.

          Again, have you watched them?
          They are far deeper than the surface stories.

          To me, Fight Club is about what people should do, forming secretive groups and undermining the power of the “Controllers” not so much to take them over and be the “Controllers” themselves, but to long and short “Crash the system if you won’t F*cking leave us alone”. Saw what they did to the mayor?

          And, ah, as a wee lad ducking into Conan to hide from a finger pointing about an ‘accidental’ fire that didn’t really do any damage, just burned down a shed that was about to be demolished anyways… Watching it in the front row so it filled the screen, sucking at least 64oz pure sugar soda pop…

          Such a wonderful movie. It was a good, dynamic movie, so unlike the cinema of it’s day, I wonder how it even left production. Like it was made for me. I admired both the hero and the villain. Later, I read REH’s original stories and while his Conan was different -and better- than Arnie’s version, the movie itself was a seperate work of art. Like the philosopher cited at the beginning, a total “Will to power” so to speak. And the incredible Music by Basil Pedorious is probably what triggered my “Muse”.

          Equality now made me an enemy on their “Sex Tour” issue. Doubly so on the SA issue, the “Loli” thing. I hate the “Modern women who seek to destroy men” who want to be both ‘equal’ and ‘protected’. They can have their “Equality” and “Freedom” just don’t expect a free man to bond with them and support them, let them try to live off their “Boy-Toys” who act like “Macho Outlaws” but are just peacocks. Oh, wait, they try to deny us real men both flesh (save theirs at high cost) and fantasy. (can’t stand people would rather whack off to toons than deal with them)

          And the “Music Industry” and pretty much the “Mainstream Media” is the enemy. You probably think I’m using a cop-out. However, I lie not to you. Simply put, once it became feasible to record and mass produce media 95% of all such (music, video, art) who have the “Muse” have not had any living. Why pay a musician when you can play a record? Why pay a troupe of actors when your theater can rent something done once with very high production values and play countless times? Why buy from an artist when a company makes cheap prints of the works of the best of the best?

          But it goes even beyond that. Those that “own the means of production” have had, IMO, an agenda of “Ethnic Cleansing” against the “Bardic” class. That is, I say they have gone out of their way to make sure that anyone with real, epic level talent is kept out of the media, unless he’s on the tightest of leashes. They control, through countless “Contracts” and other over and under the table deals, access to the general public “GroupThink” at least through the major media outlets.

          A musician could, “Produce their own stuff” such as by going to a recording studio and paying for records to be pressed, but it was “Vanity Press” if anything. They couldn’t play it on the radio. The DJ would go “We have a contract and if we break it we’ll only have your one song to play” and even if thousands of people asked, the answer would still be “No”. Likewise, they were kept out of the record stores the mail order catalogs, even selling in person in the street they’d be harassed and arrested even if they were right next to the stereotypical guy with a trench coat full of dubious quality watches…

          Due to several paradigm shifts there is opportunity. The big companies are too complacent, but also seen as too useless by the ones they sold out to. And new technology makes sales, advertisement and distribution possible. What is needed is the new “Ethic” where the “Industry” is demonized in a truly hitting and lasting way. They have too little money right now, and are choking on their own vomit they call their product, all is needed is to squeeze, poke, prod in the right places.

          I don’t like the term “Revenge” and even “Justice” is subjective here. The true “Revenge” against abuses by kings came not when this or that revolution succeeded and some peasant tenuously wore the crown, but when it overturned everything and kings were working as janitors. Likewise, I’ll make sure to put in motion things to reset the cycle so the “Bard” returns. I don’t want 10 mansions and 15 yachts and a jewel studded swimming pool full of cocaine, those days will end. I want for decades, centuries after I leave, people to “Sing for their suppers” and to be “individual personalities”, no more “Big Studios”. And the people who ruled this age of music will be remembered as untalented hated criminals.

          Like I said with my Father, he did just start “Busking” for a well earned “Day off” just for “old times sake” and his 2nd wife head locked him and kicked him into the van. She knew it’d be another cycle of “I made enough just from playing to pay for a small order of CDs” and again for a while the stores were doing “Consignment” more to “Prove guys like me wrong”. But again, as had happened in the past, the industry would pretend to embrace him, only to block, frustrate and work to destroy him before he even got started. He’d be a wreck and she his good Bonnie wife would have to sweep him up. So she kicked him in the van and almost beat him with his guitar. Even flung his hat at a homeless man. He’d have given the man the money, but he liked that hat, couldn’t find another. (some kind of kooky fishing hat)

          I thank you.
          For your antagonism in pursuit of a petty “Last word wins” argument. You’ve really helped me refresh myself, this has been fun.

          It brings me back to when I was a kid watching Conan, which I am again lovingly, and going through my pile of comics and REH books:-) But I remember the movie now and how it essentially spoke to me about the life ahead of me; It would very likely be very unfair, it told me, and how true that was, but if you not just endure but let it strengthen you and inspire you, it will make you an over man capable of controlling and changing things. “The riddle of steel” is a superficial metaphor for that also your “Truth” is something you search for and though people can tell you about it and some (Thulsa Doom) can have great insight but it is the battle of will that you truly discover it.

          Proved right, got the “Where WERE you!?” paddling at home, but due to the “Movie” alibi, the Fuzz was not looking at me as hard as they should have! “I saw Conan! Conan chop bad guy! You see Conan, mister policeman?” And I apologized, did some more chores, and sat down to read a collection of old, cheap (bargain bin at comic store) “Creepy” that were so awesome! “Our Uthu has become a Man! And a man shall have what he wants -IF-” that’s another all time truth I discovered:-)

          So, again, thank you, it’s like the part where Conan is battling Doom and he’s put to rest his GF and to symbolize the change, Conan pulls off the symbol of his old gladiator school “Wheel of Pain” and puts on the jewel “The Eye of the Serpent” which he stole uncaringly from Thulsa and gave to Valeria. And there he makes his once only prayer and what looks like it’ll be a ‘final stand’ against a complacent ‘enemy’. He creates and transcends himself.

          Oh, the “Fuzz” would certainly get me if I rigged up a trap with a “Stolen MP3 CD” to dangle in front of a Music industry CEO and when he grabbed it in rage, he was horribly impaled. But I can make many “Conceptual” traps that hit just as hard but do not do “Legal/physical” damage. I won’t even steal and burn CDs, their tripe is so repulsive to me.

          >So how many people and family do you want to
          >see destroy because its funny?

          All of them, certainly in “The Music/Media” industry. I want moaning, weeping, great distress and suffering and not without cause. Their crimes against the “Bardic” ones deserves such.

          I don’t think at EN they really have any families save lipstick lesbos who married and divorced men to live off their alimony…and either munch rug or live in sin with non-working men or if they are married their husband is a submissive slave not worthy of his penis or testicles. EN is a nuisance it’ll be easy to crush in time and in remembrance it’ll be remembered as one of the things that “Discredited” the “Women’s Movement” far worse than things like “S.C.U.M.”

          Early on they had the “What is best in life?” in the Conan movie. Inspired by of course Genghis Khan, who would come 20K years after REH’s fictional setting, “To Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to witness the lamentations of their women.” As I said, I will go beyond that and destroy not only their livelihood but everything they worked for. They’ll have to become “Buskers” in one form or another if they want to remain in the field, and they will be hurt by the “Stigma” of being in “The devil industry” unless new “Bards” have sympathy for them and vouch for them. I’ve a few from the “Prog” era I’ll vouch for, but that comes later of course…

          So, thanks! I’m taking a bit long on all this discussion, which has gone on quite the tangent, but I’ve had a lot of fun. Feel free to post some kind of snipe to pretend you’ve ‘won’ it. I prolly won’t turn San complex into my “Cult”, I’m doing this battle on other fronts, though again it’d be cool if it was feasible this route.

        • Anonymous says:

          Continue 3′

          Oh yes my favourite part yes the Most useless part yet the most important ones.

          you can laugh all you want. yet your brain and intelligent cannot seems to understand that

          Speck
          Speak

          are legitimate english common words and CORRECT spelling. I make many this kind of mistake because I dont care enough to go through all to find and correct every one. Communication is getting the information I want to the other party.

          And yet you the same person can because of that use this nonsense phase “Glasp of Engrish” and put it on the same level as the mistake i made. In case you dont know, those are not even proper english words.

          So should I coin out some new phase to call you on your lack of intelligent and wisdom? Im such you will like that. It will be a nice joke. more joke on my limited “Glasp of Engrish” below on your next post I sure you find it funny to read.

        • Anonymous says:

          Continue 2′

          You keep advocating your tipping “new economy” If you people are really as talented and marketable as you deem and your tipping as well as street basking is an economy thats so viable, why dont you use it? Why didnt you report on the success?

          No doubt big business and CEO can to some extend control the public taste, then again with the rampant piracy with the internet information age and what people justify with a straight face as “sampling”, isnt it only “good enough and above” stuffs make it big and in turn profitable. So again what does that prove?

          Seriously your movie list only shows using terror, force and killing to get what ones want for the benefit of the people or industry? no.. only for personal and circle Glory.

          So how many people and family do you want to see destroy because its funny?

        • Anonymous says:

          Continue’

          Your alternative media makes no sense. You know what? With my limited “Glasp of Engrish” I cant understand how will they working be different from a normal company. Why dont you use your superior English to explain to me. so again I ask you HOW.

          Look, funds are not unlimited, even government arts program which are tolerant of negative inflow chooses too.

          Lets talk about your 4th point.Let me assume that this is not just a Rant but something that is to be put to action.

          Have you ever ever ever think that its because YOU and your family are not as talented as you thought and also because you all are simply just not marketable. (trend, image, gene etc.)

          “The industry has hurt my family in more ways than is possible to describe. They’ve committed a crime akin to “Ethnic Cleansing” against me and mine. So everyone working in it is “Enemy” and deserving of action.”

          Again have you gone off the depths? and yet you said I “just type like a “Reactionary right winger”

          You know what. Please answer me this. How do my first post shows that I “just type like a “Reactionary right winger”.

        • Anonymous says:

          Mr Named Called is here again.
          you know what i be kinder a bit.

          Fight club? are you serious? Conan the Barbarian? Have you gone off the depths?

          Fight club is a terrorist group in the end. Conan the Barbarian tells a story of a person going around KILLING and ruling other with terror and force.

          YOU telling me of your non “severe” law breaking and “Funny” antics and you link it to those films? Isnt there something wrong here?

          No you are wrong, Group like EN is “peaceful”, they are not NICE, still they play within the rules.

          What you want on the other hand is NOT peaceful. “So again what will makes you different from a cult or a terrorist group?”

          Enlighten me on this
          “They deserve the “Horde of raiders with a banner of two serpents over a black sun”;-)”
          So whats the solution you have in mind? What do you think should be done? Lets not be OOC on this answer, should we.

        • Barbarian of Gor says:

          These posts have been split a bit, it seems.
          >So again what will makes you different from
          >a cult or a terrorist group?

          I established I’d keep things from severe lawbreaking, for humorous purposes no “Smiley Faced Building”…

          Films:

          -Have you seen-
          “Fight Club”
          “Conan the Barbarian”

          -please watch them if you haven’t. They are awesome!!!

          Second, I’d be going against groups that I didn’t like because they targeted my (and Sankakau complex members) freedoms and “Equality Now” is at the top of the list.

          1. They are a super militant feminist group, who is part of the larger movement. My best friend was brought low due to some of the ‘divorce laws’ even though his ex was absolutely at fault.

          2. They crusade against “Sex Tours”. Used to be a lusty gentleman with eyes on traveling could openly make arrangements for “Company” on the way. Well, long as he was into “Adult” women, but that was fine with me. Now, they try to turn these operations into criminal ones so you have to do your research seperate because they are too afraid to talk to you. Even “Regulars” they fear got busted by da Fuzz and are being used against them. The Fuzz love laws like this for it makes easy pickings versus criminals who carry guns and fight back. Mind you this is an operation of consenting adults arranging something that’s perhaps more tolerated in one area and not another, but still all voluntary.

          3. They crusade against all pornography, even down to “Drawings on Paper”. The raving term about terrorists; “They hate our freedom” applies no better. I mean, yes they could be against real “Captain Planet” cause some kid is as it is now being ‘exploited’ and far worse might be happening. Perhaps also they’d be against RL porn for their various agendas. But, people doodling fictional drawings on paper, boy is the human mind the best ‘sex toy’ in the world? But they don’t want to be allowed even that. And, if this gets established and it’s quite in danger of being so, they’ll go to regular pornography and other things like “Violent video games”.

          They aren’t “Peaceful Villagers”… They deserve the “Horde of raiders with a banner of two serpents over a black sun”;-)

          Third, my “Alternative Media” wouldn’t primarily benefit me $ wise. We’d use it to help promote ALL “Free Artists” and work on cross-cultural marketing. If, along the way, someone suggests my open alias’s muzik, well fine, but I won’t promote it. I like “J-Pop” but it really ain’t my “Scene”. It would only “Help” me personally in that “A rising tide lifts all boats”, not to mention drowns some people…that goes onto- I’d at best become moderately wealthy, but many times more due to efforts else wise, totally with or without this.

          Fourth, revenge. The “Big Media Companies” I truly hate with a passion of the—-. I’m of a bardic line, but we were all pushed away from that profession by the “Media Industries”. My family in RL has plenty of doctors, engineers, lots of intelligent professionals. But we all have a gift of music, storytelling, art, and we’ve all been “Kept out” as if there’s some huge secret “Blacklist”. We’ve all had the heart wrenching experience of during our high school/college studying for some type of “Art/Acting/Muzik” becoming incredibly talented, then while we can get famous on a ‘local’ level the “Producers” seem to always pick basically non-talented people who can barely perform. (“Burn n’ turn” use them for a few years, trash them for the next act, they are useless without a studio behind them) I think there is, not against us directly, but that the “Controllers” want to make extinct the “Bard” and have nearly succeeded. So we have to “Get a life” and go back to college and learn a ‘proper’ profession and there’s always that keyboard, guitar, etc. that reminds us painfully of a path we wanted to take. And then we let our kids waste a few years, supporting them, hoping for them and knowing we’d push them away if we tried to stop them, and knowing how it will turn out. I’m the same way, except I just worked on the profession (ups and downs but doing ok) while keeping the “Muse” on the side, and am now using opportunities as I see.

          The industry has hurt my family in more ways than is possible to describe. They’ve committed a crime akin to “Ethnic Cleansing” against me and mine. So everyone working in it is “Enemy” and deserving of action.

          I’ll re-iterate, we have been “Kept out” of the media especially because of our innate talent. My Dad, for instance, visited San Fran a while back and just on the spur of the moment for “Old times sake” he whipped out his guitaur and started playing and he had 30 people listening to his every note and his hat was full of money. But, wisely I suppose, his second wife headlocked him and kicked him in the van, knowing they’d go through a “Self produced album that’s kept off the radio, the record stores refuse to sell it, he gets depressed and his real job suffers…” again.

          And what is on “The Media”…? What people did the big CEOs find in this wide world so important that our voice can never be heard? Last time I checked out the “Lineup” it looked like that indeed, a police lineup of “Pimps and Ho’s” and (from the radio) sounded worse.

          Seriously, again referring to my favorite movie, I’d almost dare a “Prayer to Crom for Revenge”. ‘Cept I don’t need to for the Increate has granted me a mind with which I can construct a “Virtual” sword that will strike infinitely harder than a real one if the parasite law forbids me using a real sword.

          Now, I wouldn’t expect this group to help on a personal “Revenge” agenda. That’s depressing and boring even to me. But again my mind is better than that. Lots of things we could do along our interests that would on the side hurt that industry and I’d keep an “Participation” fun:-)

          >On your final note: Im proficient in English,
          >I know how to speck and write properly. I know
          >to some limit when to be polite and when not
          >to be.
          >Tell me just how do i type like a “Reactionary
          >right winger”?

          To “Speck” and write properly… Must. Control. Laughter….

          Ah, “Engrish is easy tu lealn but vely hald tu speck…” Anyways, don’t worry, the real matter is that even mangled a bit we can understand you. English is a “Trade” language, it’s only real weakness is the legacy phonetics. And the “Bretons” love to get elitist on how they speak the “True” vernacular which even groups that have better reason to openly hate them, like the Indians, adhere to because it’s the “proper” way to speak the language.

          However, your first response to me was just like some snipes I’ve gotten elsewhere, from ‘reactionary right wingers’ over political discussion. I really didn’t know if you weren’t a native English speaker or some hothead sniping against a progressive. So, if English isn’t your native language you are doing very good:-)

          Come ON, we non-English speakers probably sound “Bizarre and Demented” trying to do yours. Do you not joke about it a bit also, without meaning any true malice? Doesn’t it even sound funny and cute a bit?

        • Anonymous says:

          ME. I learn that if I post in short reply, it will appear immediately not be delayed.

          “Help a “New Media” of independent artists”
          I ask you how? grown them, promote them? how is that different from the company you seek to destroy? by replacing it with one YOU control?

          “Stand up for Man. Yeah, macho men”
          Do you know that your policy have always being the same as in your view EN for woman. you want men on top, just like you deem they want female on top. yet you are condemning them. Replacing one evil with another similar is not solving the problem.

          your reward plans sound worse, others got mental satisfaction while you get all/most of the monetary rewards, you sound worse then the company CEO you hate so much.<— correct me if im wrong and while you are at it, tell me where and why?

          while you are still at it. How many people are you going to see destroy? Theres much different between change for better and disruption of an economy

          On your final note: Im proficient in English, I know how to speck and write properly. I know to some limit when to be polite and when not to be.
          Tell me just how do i type like a "Reactionary right winger"?

          Side issues: I never know that government "cover up" are as real as the movie "Zeitgeist" the movie, the "World Trade Center" chapter. I ask how and why?

        • Anonymous says:

          Hi it me, me and always me again

          You now sound like either a terrorist group or a cult group.

          Simply because who are you going to answer to?
          So to you mental abuse is fine? Harassment is ok? Smearing is fine? destroy people reputation is ok? making them be outcast and kill off by society is all good just because they are having different opinion then you?

          Do you really think only physical harm can “kill” people.

          So again what will makes you different from a cult or a terrorist group? If all you can do is simple joke then its not going to have lasting effect. Then what? escalate? So how long will it take b4 you become a terror group? you even condone “special” stuff in the name of “fun”.

          I will be milder a bit, so how long before you become just another group like EN? or a worse form of Scientology that will not keep its hand off others affair?

        • Barbarian of Gor says:

          Well, I actually thank you for putting it in perspective. In this paranoid “Post 9/11 world” soon to be “Post Gulf Oil calamity” world, people are a bit over-reacting.

          The main difference is no killing, bombing or other acts of physical violence or extreme felony level property damage. Not just “We don’t condone” (snickering and encouraging behind the scenes) we simply (assuming I guided the group) would not do that.

          If I was going to do such action, I’d start with some people who I could trust my life with, then “indoctrinate” some more the proper way and we would not F*cking talk about it on the internet, or if we had to we’d work out codes that even if “Broken” would be misleading. I won’t “Talk too much” as I myself do quite often on why/methods on that subject but as a “Child of the New Age” I know all about “Cults and Mind Control”.

          A group like this, no offense to anyone else reading, I simply couldn’t trust to reliably and securely do such actions. Also, I wouldn’t want to. I wouldn’t want to order someone’s death, or firebomb someone’s property. Even the “Modern women who seek to destroy men”…

          On the other hand, a group with tens of thousands of members and thousands of active ones with degrees of motivation from near zero, to “I’ll write a letter/make a phone call”, “I’ll play a non felony prank”, “I’ll do something ‘special’ if you can convince me it’s fun”, “I’ll send a tiny bit of $”… Spread out across the world, though likely mostly Japan, USA, Europe with lesser in China, Australia, etc….

          In MY hands, well I’d almost feel like Thor had given me Mjolnir for a swing or two. (Raises broadsword and roars!) It’d feel like that to other groups we target, minus the cities leveled as if they’d been hit by a non-nuclear nuke. I’m quite versed in many actions that while not literally dripping with blood or other felony level acts of violence can do a great deal to motivate, distract, humor, or terrify.

          We could:

          A. Deal a strong blow to the groups like “Equality Now”, hamstringing them and marginalizing them. Not by blowing up buildings or shooting anyone, they’d almost wish something like that would happen.

          B. Help a “New Media” of independent artists, as I highlighted in my reply to you below, make $ not necessarily “mega stardom” but enough to be worth their effort while bleeding “Corporations” dry, not with “Stealing” but “sucking the wind out of their sails”.

          C. Stand up for Man. Yeah, macho men, but mankind as well. I don’t necessarily want to “Enslave” women, but I don’t want to be ashamed to be a man either. Also, I want to cleave with a sword of logic all the tactics the controllers (be they Reptiles or just rich parasites) use to divide houses, families, societies against itself. Don’t worry, no forced “David Icke” education, participation in A and B would do the work, the cause/motives being irrelevant.

          So, mister “Limited Glasp”, in case you re-iterate, the difference is:
          A. We’d be for real, not fake ‘boogeymen’ to cover up what is obviously an inside job arranged at the highest levels of government-Watch “Zeitgeist” the movie, the “World Trade Center” chapter.
          B. Though “Fight Club” in potential mischief, we’d have to be on a tight leash, so no “Smiley Face” buildings…too bad…so sad… Not even brutality on the mayor… But even without those weapons.
          C. We’d have a much larger and longer lasting effect.

          Now, has anyone here watched “Conan the Barbarian”?

          Well, I’d be more a “Thulsa Doom” for a “Spiritual Guide”. Note his take on “The Riddle of Steel”? Now, I’d never be demonstratively wasteful of power like that, I’m not as evil nor can I hypnotize with serpent eyes. (jealous of the Reptilians for that!) But if I was made “Guide” I’d work out various “Rings” of trust/commitment and we’d indeed be a terror like a legion of cultists and a cadre of warriors around a central figure who could do things with his mind that border on the supernatural.

          What would the other members get out of it?
          1. Some satisfaction that we actually helped effect the world, not just b-ched as more and more is taken away.
          2. Learned self reliance as well as collaborative tactics.
          3. Had fun.
          4. “Crushed our enemies, seen them driven before us, and witnessed the lamentation of their women” even the “Modern women who seek to destroy men” of “Equality Now”, the lamentations of their lesbo lovers at the distress and frustration of their bull dyke ‘menwomen’.
          5. As the group got more popular, more advertising, more sales shares from J-list and future advertisers.

          What would I get out of it?
          1. Well, I am telling the truth that I wouldn’t make a “Blazing Smiley” building, but I still would get a kick (and trophy notebook) out of the media’s reaction to the “Stunts” we pulled.
          2. It would help me financially in the long run, for my “New Economy” is my main push, under a different and for now hidden alias. But I’d never promo myself with it directly, lots of cooler guys deserve much more spotlight, just along the way it’d be a tide that rose all boats, even my ancient war galley.
          3. I’m kind of a “Mad Scientist out for Revenge” though I use “Scientist” very loosely. Too many big companies and individuals I made millions for to only get the shaft. Now, no “Personal Revenge” that’s bad ju-ju and boring and ugly and pointless and would be a waste of such power like I described earlier from that movie. Let’s just say that the best revenge is a ‘good life’ and the best revolution is not necessarily to ‘bring someone down’ but to corrupt/pollute/destroy/change the market/theme they stole from you. The disruption of a “new economy” as I envision it taking place would kill the stocks/long term goals of these crooks and I know them they’d not pull out till they lost their shirts. The change I’d create would be a blow to them they’d never recover from, but I’d not strike them with my fist.
          4. I want to keep the world safe for “Sex Tourism” (well, adult women, I am no “Pedo” despite this thread) and one of my beefs with EN is that they oppose this.

          On a final note, mister “Limited Glasp”, are you a non-native English speaker, or did you just type like a “Reactionary right winger”? In the case of the former, I do politely apologize at this point. I love “Non-PC” stuff, including playing with the “L” and “R” but I mean no offense or racism. Any polite thing to call you by if you are offended?

        • Anonymous says:

          Hi Im the someone with a limited “Glasp of Engrish” below.

          I written too much below so I keep it simple this time.

          In short.
          What makes you and your idea any different from a terrorist in making, if it was put into action.
          The very same extremist that your country are bent on fighting?

          Think carefully before you rant back. Dont forget you should be much better then me who is just someone with a limited “Glasp of Engrish”

  • sosoueme8th says:

    this reminds me of Rapeplay incident.
    illusion never intended to sell their game abroad, but amazon did without notifying illusion.

    and it was the kids in UK illegally downloaded Rapeplay and made friction between feminazis.

    which made a h-game ban.

    it’s cool to sell their game and manga to Asia and Europe.

    But not in North America and UK, which there are a lot of psycho, feminazis and political fagot.

  • Anonymous says:

    I dare to say that the most do download and upload scanned mangas due to the lack of exactly these very mangas in their own country.

    Some might live in a country with a market for manga, but possibly a very very small one. Others might have a bigger one in their country, BUT the main problem is that publishers just (and mostly ONLY) look out for series that might SELL GOOD.

    Personally I would have no problem to buy the mangas and support the mangakas.

    E.g. the problem in my country is that the “hype” of anime and manga just has/is died/dying out.

    Publishers cease to exist or artificially slow down their releases. So some mangas appear in a rhythm of at least six months per volume! (I actually have a series that comes out every eighth/nineth month!)

    Also the situation became so worse that I only can get hands on them only while buying them online!! REALLY, in the early days I could walk into bookstores or something similar located at the station and got my stuff, but now: almost nothing.

    Anime is another thing, because in my country it’s just a laughable matter. They really release that stuff, BUT under conditions that drives tears in your eyes.
    Imagine an anime series which has 12 episodes and the publisher is selling each episode on a single DVD with a single case and cover; each one for like Eur 5,99! That really is an extreme example, but it resembles the price policy here.

    Personally I do import anime from the USA.

    But coming back to mangas: if companies would risk to license series that might be uncommon they possible might get higher sales on them. So possibly licensing more. On the other hand, if companies license a lot, but do NOT release in a short rhythm then it also is doomed.

    As currently I am learning Japanese as well, I might buy the whole bunch used on Yahoo!Japan when the time comes. I like that stuff and I WANT to SUPPORT them with buying it.

    It really is NOT that I do this kind of “piracy” on purpose. I AM DRIVEN INTO THIS!!!

    And according to things involving lolicon: Personally I think the Japanese do a good thing with that stuff. All those people with pedophile feelings (or real pedophiles) have some kind of “replacement drug”. So I dare to say that this really decreases the possible insultment of children. Most are psychologically satisfied with just the look at it. And having it legally accepted by the government is the right way to do!
    I DO NOT say that I would legalize childporn, but THIS VIRTUAL 2D PORN DOES NOT HARM ANY CHILDREN OR SOMEONE ELSE.

    As comparement look at the drug addicted: in the Netherlands you can carry a legalized amount of cannabis with you around and officially SMOKE that stuff at so called coffee shops (in all cases IT IS REQUIRED that you are an adult (18+)). Though, it’s legalized just for “soft drugs”, BUT the most are SATISFIED with it! THINK ABOUT IT!

    The recently case where a western country (I think it was the USA) tried to bring the Japanese government to pass a law to ban “lolicon material” was just another act of jealousy.

    Western countries are just too prude to go out of their usual way.

    Instead of banning everything everywhere in the world they (not only the USA) just should INVESTIGATE WHY other countries have LESS criminal activities in certain areas.

    I think I have written the most I have wanted to write about this topic..

  • Anonymous says:

    My god, I’m such a complete asshole. I mean, buying dozens of official releases is nothing when I download one or two scanlations that aren’t ever going to be available in my region and language ever. There’s only one thing left for me now.. where’s the nearest suicide booth?

  • Anonymous says:

    then i’ve killed all loli from Comic RiN =/

    it’s not my fault that i don’t have the chance to buy the magazines in a store, and if i buy (in the internet) i’ll probably go to jail just because a drawing

    • That’s why I’m happy to be a Pole: no f***ing loli censorship. I can normally buy them from japan in both digital or paper form and I won’t be sued for this. And even if they were banned, no-one is stupid enough to open packages in post office without warrant, cause this would mean being fired in the best case.

      Actually I killed only 2 lolis, only in cases when I couldn’t buy stuff normally.

  • Anonymous says:

    What has happened to the proud, honorable pedophiles of the nation’s past, who would never stoop to such dastardly acts as stealing from a fellow child rapist?

    These are dark days indeed, my friends.

  • Well, I would REALLY buy them instead of downloading if it isn’t because my country laws prohibited pr0n materials from being shipped online.

    Then again, online manga is the main reason why I got fond of certain artists/mangaka which lead me to buying official artbooks from Japan.

    • Anonymous says:

      Well Since you cant buy their stuff and instead have to download them while your people are also the one trying to destroy them.

      In this fact, not only are you not providing them income/reasonable income/good enough income yet you are giving them problems, is it strange that they are doing their best to cut you off and exclude you?

      Do note that the “you” im using is meaning to oversea people especially english speaking counties (note read: USA).

      See where the problem here lie?

  • Simon Jones said:
    Comic LO publisher Akaneshinsha is not xenophobic. They are one of the few ero manga publishers licensing ero manga to the West. I would know, as I happen to publish those books.

    Ero manga publishers have been fighting censors since their inception. From their perspective, piracy, be it domestic or international, doesn't help. The UN urging all member countries to adopt stricter anti-free speech rules doesn't help. Australia taking aim at all anime and manga with small breasts doesn't help. A poor American fellow getting thrown in jail because his package of manga was opened by the wrong person at US customs doesn't help. (Oh, the guys at Comic LO are well aware that their magazines and books were at the heart of the case.)

    Set aside petty, selfish concerns, and consider the big picture for just a moment.

    [Sorry if this appears twice, but I tried to leave a comment an hour ago and it apparently has disappeared!]

    Yes, let's look at the BIGGER picture.

    The uploading of lolicon to make it available to people outside of Japan doesn't harm the market for lolicon, which is confined to the Japanese market. So international piracy is not an economic issue for the lolicon industry.

    Being a commercial company, Akaneshinsha (my vote for best publishing company in the world) clearlty cannot be expected to take part in the fight against censorship outside of Japan.

    However, Akaneshinsha shouldn't think for a second that lolicons in Japan shouldn't do what they can to help lolicons the world over have access to banned material. It's their moral duty. Like sending banned books into Soviet Russia, sending lolicon safely (electronically) to places such as the US, Australia, UK, etc. assists in the fight against oppressive laws and prosecutions but rendering those laws largely ineffective. (Gov'ts that ban lolicon can't prosecute everyone.)

    By the same token, it is the responsibility of lolicons outside of Japan to take a strong stance (as lolicons ALREADY DO) against the attempt to censor Japan. (The lolicons at Sankaku Complex are a shining example of this.)

    This is a matter of human solidarity. Akaneshinsha should refrain from interfering with it.

    • Anonymous says:

      only partially right. It isn’t banned in all places as he said there are some books the publisher of lo has given to the west. Also when it is put up for the foreign markets you really think no one in Japan downloads it? Remember the story here about how 73% of people who read these things are pirates? It is hurting the Japanese market whether we like it or not. You think just because the laws are ineffective they will repel them? No dice they will just look for ways to censor the internet which they will find.

    • Simon Jones says:

      >The uploading of lolicon to make it available to people outside of Japan doesn’t harm the market for lolicon, which is confined to the Japanese market.

      And that’s not the argument they made. They were saying that the international availability of scans is creating additional political pressure within Japan.

      But to add my own words, since the internet is a global community, it is disingenuous to say that international piracy and the global devaluation of media it causes don’t also trickle back to Japan.

      >It’s their moral duty.

      No, it isn’t. Even if it were, the international ero manga reading community has not lived up anywhere close to its end of the theoretical bargain. It amuses me that so many are readily willing to participate in something like a draw Muhammad day to troll people who live half a world away, yet no one takes up pencils to challenge the injustices and legal quackery in their own back yard. If the otaku of the western world want to change their own laws, they need to risk their own liberties to preserve them. That means being creative, drawing comics, developing your own artistic community that can stand by the Japanese mangaka shoulder to shoulder. Complaining anonymously on the net, when it is the livelihoods of mangaka at risk, is far from heroic.

    • Anonymous says:

      There’s something to be said for this, but that sort of thing needs to actually be done discretely, not distributed out in the open with some kind of NYA NYA YOU CAN’T STOP US message.

  • Anonymous says:

    I really couldn’t care what they cry about anymore, why should I be forced to buy anime and manga from a country who is hell bent on hating everyone who isn’t japanese.

    Yeah, alright I’m gonna buy some hentai manga and risk doing jail time, and possibly be put on a child sex offenders list? Fuck you, I have no intention of going to jail or wear titles if I’ve done nothing to deserve it.

    And how the hell can they blame anyone outside of japan for censorship? You did it to yourself, so you have no right to blame anyone else.

    The japanese love kissing there own asses so much that they can’t even see when there own people are against them. If hentai is banned, it’s because YOU fucked up.

    Why wont you defend lolicon? If you REALLY believed you weren’t doing anything wrong you would have no problem standing up for it. They obviously must think the things they enjoy aren’t as harmless as they try and convince themselves.

    If I enjoy something, I defend it with everything I’ve got, if you can’t do the same then you don’t deserve it. Things worth fighting for are never easy.

  • Anonymous says:

    Well i don’t care about not uploading. And i think the mangaka that wrote those “sane” words should. Manga is getting crappier by the moment, so if it doesn’t improve people will care even less. Then the mangakas will feel truly discouraged.

      • Anonymous says:

        Actually, I’ve seen some eechi things in Barnes & Noble from manga creators.

        Actually, there is NOTHING keeping them from selling these things in the local Barnes & Noble, as long as they are kept in an area where only adults are allowed.

        • Azure Xuchilbara says:

          Haha, you and me both~

          I bought my entire BERSERK manga volumes there…

          And considering how sexually violent that manga is, these won’t make a different since it’s all luvy-duvy kawaii desu sh*t…

          The day they sell (translated) Comic LO here…

          I can’t wait…

  • So just distribute it over the Internet.
    You don’t need to print it so it can be cheaper and more people could buy it. You could even use the fan-translation groups to support your work in the west…

    • Anonymous says:

      they don’t want to market it to dirty people like us now do they? not even if we want to throw our money at them.

      i don’t read *con. but i do read yaoi. where i am, it’s very hard to find yaoi in stores. if i had online access, i’d pay man.

      i just want a legal mangafox/yaoifox where i can sub like $20 a month and read online scans.

      will Japan give that to us? not likely.

      But just you guys wait until ACTA – anti counterfeit trade agreement comes into force. it’ll be like they are monitoring your mail – except they look at every site, every zip, rar, image you download.

      USA, Canada, Japan, Singapore, Morocco, Mexico, the European Commission, S.Korea.

      all of us are screwed. if countries don’t exist in acta, all america needs to do is threaten sanctions. and everyone will fall in line.

  • Translation: Hey, we are desperate because we can’t milk you perverted NEET otakus with our naked lolis as well as before! Stop uploading manga and breed us some more consumers!!

  • Anonymous says:

    when i had a job and when it was almost legal i used to import comic rin and a couple of other bits but due to changes in the law over here and my own paranoia i had to stop. as other people have said i would happily pay for this stuff but it’s just not possible. if i were the mangaka i would be happy just to know people were enjoying my work

  • Anonymous says:

    You see, it’s people like this saying stupid-assed shit that pisses me off. I swear to god. It’s like saying “every time you masturbate, God kills a kitten.” If that were true, either cats would’ve been extinct a long-assed time ago, or they’re several times worse than rabbits. So please remember, every time you spout such inane shit, God kills a straight-shotacon.

    • Its a bad idea to rely on a imaginary figure to smite things for you. Its better to smite them yourself. But yeah, i agree, this is all just extremist isolationists tagging onto the hurting mangaka to try and ban foriegners alltogether. If they want to blame anyone, blame the person who invented the scanner.

      If anyone is a god, its the person who invented the scanner so i can store my hundreds of gigabytes of manga!

  • Anonymous says:

    ”More sinisterly, they tell fans that illegal uploads allow even dirty foreigners to get their hands on Japan’s arts, which could encourage more censorship, as ever missing the point that it is Japanese extremists pushing for a ban in pursuit of their own interests.”

    Well…isn’t that those people pushing the ban use arguments that the rest of the world thinks very bad of Japan because of loli/rape/incest etc.? Rapelay anyone?

  • Anonymous says:

    I barely downloaded anything lately, I just buy the manga available in the US. I got a few so far, but I’m planning to build up on it. I got no problem with what’s going on, they’re just trying to get people to buy manga more, and download them less. Although it’s obvious that people download them because it’s so easy to obtain and won’t have to pay s**t to earn them.

    You can at least give these guys a favor and just keep buying off them. Like said before I don’t know what’s going on but I definitely don’t want the manga or the anime industry completely collapse. That’s all.

  • Simon Jones says:

    Comic LO publisher Akaneshinsha is not xenophobic. They are one of the few ero manga publishers licensing ero manga to the West. I would know, as I happen to publish those books.

    Ero manga publishers have been fighting censors since their inception. From their perspective, piracy, be it domestic or international, doesn’t help. The UN urging all member countries to adopt stricter anti-free speech rules doesn’t help. Australia taking aim at all anime and manga with small breasts doesn’t help. A poor American fellow getting thrown in jail because his package of manga was opened by the wrong person at US customs doesn’t help. (Oh, the guys at Comic LO are well aware that their magazines and books were at the heart of the case.)

    Set aside petty, selfish concerns, and consider the big picture for just a moment.

      • Simon Jones says:

        Comic LO is just an imprint of Akaneshinsha.

        Manga released under the LO imprint are unsuitable for publication in the US. Stores would not carry them. Distributors would refuse to do business with the publisher. Every state with obscenity laws would initiate criminal proceedings, as well as the federal government under the Patriot and Walsh acts. I kid you not.

        Akaneshinsha has licensed books like Swing Out Sisters and Wish of My Sister to us. I believe both were serialized in Comic RIN at certain points. Ads for those very books run regularly on this site.

    • “. Australia taking aim at all anime and manga with small breasts doesn’t help. ”

      Australia did no such thing. You could try not talking out of your arse in the future. What you are talking about is pornography publishers (you know actual human pornography) choosing to censor themselves.

      We aren’t stupid enough to have blatantly discriminating laws.

    • Yes, why don’t we consider the BIGGER picture. The bigger picture is this:

      – Uploading lolicon manga so that people outside of Japan can download it doesn’t harm the market for lolicon, which is confined to Japan.

      – Sending lolicon to countries where it is unavailable or illegal is a LAUDABLE act. It is an act of free speech, just like sending “banned” books into the Soviet Union was an act of free speech.

      – No one here is asking Akaneshinsha (my vote for best publishing company in the world) to participate in the fight outside of Japan against the politically-correct morons at the UN or against unjust laws in the US, U.K., Australia and elsewhere.

      – Akaneshinsha and other producers of lolicon shouldn’t think for a minute, however, that Japanese lolicon lovers (and I’m talking about manga, doujinshi and CGs, not real-life lolis) are not interested in helping their brothers and sisters overseas get access to this banned material. It is, in fact, their moral duty to do so.

  • Anonymous says:

    “Illegally uploading magazines or manga is an unforgivable betrayal of manga culture. To protect lovely 2D girls, you mustn’t do it!”

    In other words, “(Don’t) Do It For The Children!”

    (There are a couple different ways to read the sentence above.)

    “If you thoughtlessly spread Japanese ero-manga overseas, you may cause needless international friction due to the differences in expression. In the worst case, it might cause manga censorship.”

    [sarcasm]Right, and, “Everybody knows that foreigners commit most of the crimes in Japan. It’s a scientifically-proven fact.”[/sarcasm]

  • Why not just ban the internet on their way to save Loli ? Why not just say “We want money”. So all loli mangaka are tsundere “It’s not like I’m drawing them for you to see”. Still won’t stop the pirates.

  • Elle Lowel says:

    Encouraging xenophobia now? Honestly, if they really wish to start racial segragation, then it time to start hitting them where it hurts. In their wallet and animation marketing. I’m getting sick of this xenophobe crap and losing the respect for japan that’s dwindling rapidly.

  • Anonymous says:

    Can’t they simply tell the truth: “Mangakas struggle daily to give their best in their published works. Please support our mangakas so they can continue to bring you the manga you love.”

    Anyway, I doubt their pleas will change anything. Maybe it’s best the mangaka simply stop drawing and do a regular job. Why work so hard when people will just steal your work anyway.

  • Anonymous says:

    understand the fear that other country will interfere. and force Japan to ban lolicon. many countries began to make strict laws against lolicon. and where do most of it com from. Japan. that is what they want to prevent. not that they lose money. but that they will be banned inside Japan because other countries do not like them.

    • Anonymous says:

      No foreign country can force Japan to do jack shit. The fact is that Japan is a SOVEREIGN COUNTRY that no other country can mess with.

      The fact is that uploading Comic LO and other lolicon-comics actually makes it more likely that people in foreign country will turn AGAINST the hatred of pedosexuals, as they find out that their friends, family and loved ones like these things.

      • Ikuhisashiku says:

        As 19:46 said, no other country can force Japan to do crap. If they actually grew some balls and fought back, it wouldn’t matter what other countries said.
        And the fact of the matter is that a lot of other countries don’t even give a crap.
        Besides the U.S., Australia, and Great Britain, can you name a single country that honestly gives a crap?
        No?
        Thought so.

        That’s because most of the other countries out there actually have something to worry about. Like hunger, crime, or actual rape. Not “trying to give rights to something that’s not even real.”

      • Anonymous says:

        you are wrong there. World opinion can do a lot. If America decided to stop trading with japan because of CNN’s opinon of them or if it got to the point where because of the opinion of the american populace people stopped buying Japanese products (like cars)..I mean I can see ford using this to keep people from buying japanese cars…the Japanese government will have little choice.

        • Anonymous says:

          The US also owes Japan some $800bn… It might have changed, but a couple of months ago Japan was the largest single holder of US treasury debt (after China shifted their portfolio a bit). We’re not going to tell them to do anything.

      • savantique says:

        Way to miss the point here.

        Japan’s government is worried about their worldwide image and therefore will try to shape their legislations to appeal to foreign sensibilities.

      • Anonymous says:

        Maybe not a single country. However, with a “groups of nations”, economic sanctions as well as a wink and nudge here and there Japanese politicians will do something about it.

  • Anonymous says:

    its easier to blame dirty thieving gaijin , than to get off their complacent asses and fight against these laws, it will be their fault if these laws pass because so far none of them have done nothing, but use foreigners and illegal downloading as scapegoats.

      • Anonymous says:

        heh they only suffer some *smack* *cries of screaming lolis in the background* and only when they misbehave. When they behave like the good little slaves they should be why some of them even enjoy it *loli moans coming from the background*

  • Caligastia says:

    I love LO, too bad they don’t seem to love us back. It’s not like I wouldn’t pay for their magazine, it’s just either too costly or too dangerous.

    You know, I think the japanese manga industry and mangakas have been slow to adapt to these times, I am willing, and so may be several fans, to either buy works from certain authors or donate to them if they just facilitate a way or work out an online version of their works.

    Anybody knows why they don’t do this? Do they just lack vision? I think they’re misssing out on a lot of money they could make out of interested foreigners, they don’t even need to localize, I know I would pay for volumes even if I can’t read japanese

    • Anonymous says:

      True….. if they would start selling these things on DLSite English or even DLSite Maniax as others do, I would buy these things and support them.

      The only reason that I download these things online is because:

      1. I don’t trust the postal system farther than I can throw a mountain.
      2. I don’t trust my local postal worker (I’ve met him and he seems slimy).
      3. I’ve seen the postal inspectors doing blatantly illegal searches lately, and having the courts stand on their side.

      • Anonymous says:

        A number of Tenma Comics LO tankoubons are available in ebook form on stores that don’t block foreign access or credit cards (I’ve bought several myself).

        Comics LO, the monthly magazine itself, is also available in ebook form but unfortunately exclusive to a site that blocks foreign credit cards (although, interestingly enough, the site does have an English side for its normal porn videos, so who knows what might happen in the future).

        I don’t know how good an idea it is to spread the info around in English. If you know Japanese, it shouldn’t be too hard to find them yourself.

        I so wish people would take a more understanding approach to the situation.

    • I never really cared about LO to begin with. But now, thanks to this latest xenophobic rant of theirs, I’m starting to care even less. If Japan hadn’t been opened up to foeign markets, they’d still be fighting with (arguably superior) metal swords, and fapping to scroll pr0n.

      Blaming the foreign downloaders of LO is like trying to thank Agnes Chan for making sense on her latest crusade: pointless and so sad to watch.

  • Shippoyasha says:

    The manga/anime/game market must truly be suffering in Japan for even hentai circles and manga to plead for this.

    Funny headline and all, but this honestly strikes me as a bit sad that they seem to struggle making content that they love to make.