80% of Hikikomori “Retarded or Schizophrenic”

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The Japanese government has published research suggesting 80% of the nation’s hikikomori may be mentally ill, with two thirds of those diagnosed having such serious conditions as schizophrenia or mental retardation.

A research group from the Ministry of Health, Labour and Welfare cooperated with psychiatrists working at 5 mental health treatment centres over several years. They examined hikikomori cases involving subjects aged 16-35 who approached the centre for assistance.

Approximately 80% of the cases resulted in a firm diagnosis, and of those a third involved mental conditions such as schizophrenia or anxiety disorder, all of which were considered to require medication.

A further third involved mental retardation and developmental disorders.

The remaining third were considered to have generic “personality defects” or “maladjustment,” and were prescribed treatment centred on counseling.

Researchers guess there may be as many as 260,000 child hikikomori in Japan, and are urging that they receive attention from mental health professionals lest they develop into lifetime hikikomori.

The wider implications of even conducting such research suggest the government may be interested in addressing its inconvenient hikikomori problem by redefining what has traditionally been seen as a social phenomenon as a medical condition, an approach which could perhaps eventually culminate in involuntary treatment for hikikomori.


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    Comment by Eddyak
    21:16 20/05/2010 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    I really don't think you have any idea what you're talking about here. Your perception of schizophrenia has probably been fucked over by Hollywood.

    "Schizophrenia" is basically just a general term for a bunch of different symptoms. Most schizophrenics are just generally antisocial and/or bad at relating to other people. There are tiny levels of schizophrenics who would actually murder people- even less than the general population, some suggest. Though, admittedly, that could be because a lot of them tend to shy away from social contact.

    It's pretty sad how society tends to just label these people and just shunt them aside into a single misfit group- even worse when they just lock them away in loony bins, citing the pathetic reason "it's for their own good".

    Comment by Anonymous
    20:56 20/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Weird that no one blames the parents

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    Comment by EleutheroZeroONE
    21:08 20/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    People like these need both help and guidance, not condemnation.

    Comment by Anonymous
    19:48 20/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    I haven't read the whole discussion, so sorry if it's already been said, but:

    80% of Hikikomori “Retarded or Schizophrenic”

    ...is a nice example of twisting facts.

    They examined hikikomori cases involving subjects aged 16-35 who approached the centre for assistance.

    In other words, they got it bad enough that they couldn't stay at home any more and had to go ask for medical assistance. Even so, 20% of those who thought they were ill turned out to be healthy.

    Comment by Anonymous
    21:32 20/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    must have mercy of this horrible plague..
    if you stay @ home forever you have a mental problem
    dont be hipocrit and dont lie to your self...fight for your life!

    Comment by Anonymous
    22:40 20/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    i have insomnia, general anxiety disorder some pseudo-hallucinations and sometime depersonalization
    if you have anxiety and the treatment fails you'll be a hikkikomori by the way my IQ is ~157 (average of multiple tests)

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:24 25/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    > my IQ is ~157 (average of multiple tests)

    Mine is too. But believe me I'm quite around average smartness, which is *quite* low.

    These tests serve only to check whether you're good at their puzzles, which you and I are.

    Comment by Anonymous
    15:06 15/05/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    My QI is ~186, I am a genius who spends his time on Sankaku Complex, a site for failures.

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    Comment by chengsta
    01:12 21/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    man: get a job.
    otaku: I can't find one, nobodys hiring.
    man: too bad, just go get one.
    otaku: are you even listening faggot?
    man: fuck you, retarded! fag!
    otaku: whatever, I'm outta here.
    man: man, that guy's retarded. ok we'll diagnise his ass as retarded too.

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:31 25/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    It's partly true that being an otaku will probably alter your capacity to pass a job interview, though.

    Stopping to be an otaku and replace it smartly may help. Whether it's worth the crave to die soon is to be decided on the estimate of a future life where you just try to be happy, and how bad the environment would take it if you eventually decided to fuck it and commit suicide.
    I found a job quickly and a few years later went back to otakuness before I killed myself. Now I proved myself and can find jobs out of recommendations. I'd say it's worth it.

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:49 21/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Anonymous is schizophrenic...

    But yeah, it's not too surprising that a high proportion of people who decide they need to see a psychiatrist have mental health problems.

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:20 21/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Just harbor them all into Saudi Arabia ~.~. Islam will be a good influence on them BWAHAHAHAHA

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:16 01/05/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    And turn them into misogynistic psychopathic terrorists? Good idea.

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:32 21/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Look, he/she refuses to get a mindless job like everyone else and stay home and enjoy anime and games all day. HE/SHE MUST BE RETARDED!

    For fuck sake, have not been to a psych. but I know I have Asperger's because of the pych classes I took.

    Okay then...I ask you this. Who is the retard

    A person that works for the rest of his life unhappily with little enjoyment.

    A person that enjoys his time by himself by not being a sheep to society and without working a mindless job?

    If you ask me, the retards are the ones that cave into society for the social need of acceptance.

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:38 25/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    > A person that enjoys his time by himself by not being a sheep to society and without working a mindless job?

    > If you ask me, the retards are the ones that cave into society for the social need of acceptance.

    They usually don't *want* to be a burden to the admittedly broken society, but hikkikomoris are anyway, and mindless drones are not.

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:12 22/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Well, we can't all be CEOs and executives. Someone needs to work the dirty work too.

    Comment by Anonymous
    19:31 20/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Very few psychiatrists are actually intelligent, they have a checklist that they match your problems up with a known illness, no grey area's.

    The people in the labs actually finding new ways to cure people and make life better, I would much rather trust there opinion. Instead of a bunch of people who make money off others by blindly probing people without seeing the further damage they can and usually do.

    Comment by Anonymous
    22:26 20/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    80% of those approach mental health centers are mentally ill. Hikikomori or otherwise.

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    Comment by MkMiku
    21:53 20/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    I lol'd as soon as I saw the picture.

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:11 20/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Well when it comes to things like this, you have to remember mental illness is defined by comparing the patient to average statistics for human behavior. Anything that isn't in the norm can be called a mental illness - but this does mean the definitions will change along with the society. In a society of hikkikomoris, if you could even call it that, it wouldn't be recognized as a social problem. It wouldn't need to, or even be considered for treatment. Instead, people wandering around outside all the time would be considered the weird ones, possibly with some kind of "disorder" because of their attachment to going out and socializing in person.

    Pedophilia is considered a mental illness today, but turn the clock back even 500 years and that would be ridiculous. Psychology is very much meant to serve the current needs of society - they aren't following the orders of God, or ensuring that people follow their "true nature" (which is nonexistent) - they're making sure everyone is within society's norms and can adapt to it. It's not necessary, but it's not going to go away.

    If you're a hikkikomori and dissatisfied with your life, I would recommend getting help with your problems, whatever they may be. But if you're really and truly happy with yourself, know that the only people unhappy here are the government and big companies that would rather you worked in a factory or something and brought them more money. It isn't a matter of goodness or badness. Don't worry about it - just because they say you're "sick" doesn't mean you're "wrong." Nothing is wrong!

    I think this kind of publicity, while on one hand increasing social stigma against hikkikomori, may also be used to back laws requiring shutins to get mental help. But if that ever did happen, they'd realize it was a mistake... How can you force a happy person to change? The Nazis and Communists did it by pervasive social propaganda, forcing people to conform - but can you do the same to people with no social lives at all?
    -Psychology Student

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:26 20/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Oh, another thing to note, hikkis usually have active social lives online anyway...

    Comment by Anonymous
    18:37 20/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    *chucklesnort* Online.

    Comment by Anonymous
    19:13 20/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Please tell me the big difference. They're clearly capable of interacting with others competently.

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:32 20/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Yep, when it comes to 'mental illness' outside of things like schizophrenia, paranoia, etc., especially when you are talking about sexual orientations like pedosexuality?

    The whole 'mental illness' thing is obvious as being manipulated in order to have a good 'boogie man' in the case of pedosexuality.

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:15 20/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Sounds like bullshit to me. Being a shut-in isn't unique to just Japan and yet no other country in the world is ready to say that 80% of their country's shut-ins are mentally retarded.

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:36 20/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    True. A lot of the shut-ins actually have been evaluated for mental illnesses, and the truth when they looked is that the people are NOT mentally ill in the slightest.

    They just don't like the path that society is going down or have been harassed by society, therefore they withdraw from it!

    Comment by Char
    02:59 21/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Emily Dickison was a shut in.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emily_Dickinson

    Comment by Anonymous
    16:45 20/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Of course they are ill. That's how psychologists and Psychiatrists do keep their jobs.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosenhan_experiment

    Comment by Anonymous
    16:29 20/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Confirmation bias: It has been shown in many research programmes that when an apparently mentally healthy person gets diagnosed by a psychiatrist who for an external reason suspects an illness, anywhere from 30% to 70% get false positive diagnoses.

    Selection bias: This research included only hikikomori that went looking for mental help. So the news should be that 20% of hikikomori who think they are mentally ill are actually healthy.

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    Comment by Dia
    16:29 20/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    I wonder why the diagnosis rates are as good as the conviction rates in Japan.

    Comment by Anonymous
    16:43 20/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    In America or Europe, at least they'll offer actual assistance for those with such problems.

    In Japan, however, they'll just brand you for life, thus preventing you from ever getting a job in the first place.

    Comment by Anonymous
    18:28 20/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    I'd say 110% of them are retarded.

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:27 21/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    It's not the need of acceptance, it's the need of money which plenty of people have. You're the retard.

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:31 21/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    They have enough money....where are you going with this?

    Normally people like this have very little budget and don't spend much at all.

    They are normally very smart and learn not to spend money on useless shit.

    Well w/e be a sheep, while you are at it read this

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_B._Calhoun

    Basically says society is shaped by the outcast who see problems with it and change it within. Without those people society would never change.

    By the way take a look at aspergers, and look at important figures in history that were questioned to have it.

    Einstein-a loner that hated interaction with people. retarded I guess...

    George Washington- Hated being in public and enjoyed living a simple life with little interaction.......guess hes retarded right

    please continue being a sheep

    Comment by Anonymous
    04:09 21/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    You completely missed my point, I am myself a semi shutin and enjoy my life like no other. I develop software projects as a freelancer. The point was, not everyone has a decent inheritance or parents to leech from in order to pay their rents, food, etc. I do respect other people's choices, some people enjoy anime and games, I enjoy math research as a hobby, does that make me a sheep or a retard for the matter?

    Comment by Anonymous
    18:42 20/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    They got that mental people tend to stay at home but go outside...

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:57 20/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    I'm just wondering do they not realise how stupid this is? It's like saying 80% of those who came to the hospital complaining about having trouble breathing had respiratory problems and a third of those had asthma. So? That just means people who are ill and even many who aren't seek help. Those who don't have problems just don't go out.

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:30 20/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Yeah, right...... Japan had better get real about this, because from what I have seen, most of those people are NOT mental ill nor retarded in the slightest.

    In fact, since this came out, some of them have been indignant, posting IQ tests that prove that they have IQ's greater than the average.

    The fact is that most of those people are VERY SMART when it comes down to it, society just doesn't work the way that they would like it to, so they retreat from society.

    Comment by Anonymous
    20:44 20/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Well, are you smarter than the average person?

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:19 25/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    By the very fact he's here and not by accident, he clearly grasps a lot of things that would look like 'technology complexities' to the average smartness.
    I'd say it's probable he is. The average person is rather dumb.

    Comment by Anonymous
    18:06 22/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

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    Comment by Anonymous
    05:21 22/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Lets compare!

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    Comment by Anonymous
    16:04 18/11/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    I guess I'm a retarded schizophrenic? Well, that's not much different from what they used to call me anyway...

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    Comment by Jürgen
    08:37 20/07/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    ..... Wow ...... That's incredibly blunt ... I like it.

    Comment by Anonymous
    11:58 16/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    I was an American "hikkomori" and I tested borderline genius. Guess us 20%ers don't count, huh?

    Comment by Anonymous
    16:09 18/11/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Guess we don't. Also I find it funny that you have to cite an intelligence test to be certain of your mental aptitude whereas I need only call into memory the various scientific facts, programming languages, classical literature, musical/artistic talents, etc., I have garnered/developed over the years. Does that split the other 20% into 10% know-it-alls and 10% actual geniuses?

    Hmm indeed!

    Comment by GreasyWeeabooVirgin
    16:30 30/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    This explains a lot. C:

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:16 22/06/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    what they are looking for is not happiness, but loneliness

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    Comment by NightRaven
    00:14 25/06/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    For some people, loneliness IS happiness. I'm one of them.

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:57 21/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    DON'T LISTEN TO ONDORE'S LIES!

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:43 21/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    >read article

    well that is one way to keep all the smart people chained up...

    And you people using examples like "this one person killed his family"

    Last I checked anyone can kill a family with or without conditions. Last I checked more killings happen to sane people and just snap.

    Is it retarded to get away from a debt build society? If anything it may be the smartest idea.

    People back then used to value people like this. They were called hermits. They lived life in society and got away to live with themselves in peace.

    This is just doctors that want people to keep coming back so they can keep a job. That is...if you dare call a psych. a doctor. I was going to college to be one because it is very easy. I eventually learn that everyone thought the same and the job is very closed at the moment and hard to find a job in. Some of these fucks don't know what they are talking about.

    Actually 3 perfectly normally people did a test. These 3 were had it set up to go to a psychiactric ward with fake documents saying they were ill. They told the doctors they were normal and they acting 100% normal in the hospital. The doctors gave them many more symptoms and suggested they had to stay a long time. Eventually people came to clear their names and they were SHOCKED. Just goes to show you, don't believe those fucks

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:18 22/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Yeah, that is the problem with psychologists and doctors in general..... the more they make you think that you are sick, the more you are going to come back, the more money they get in their pockets.

    It's called 'having a reason to lie'.








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