Final Fantasy XIV Battles “Pathetically Boring”

And how is this any worse than low level in WoW anyway?

Not an FF fan(looking toward TERA) but just because it isn't as buttons smashing as much as wow doesn't mean it's worse.It's all about the content and I would prefer a more tactical approach to mindless button smashing and occasional get outta the funny stuffs,harder dps/healing,etc....

Videos don't exist anymore.

And all the videos are gone... :/ I'll assume it was boring.

This does remind me a bit of ffxi, but considering that all MMOs are slow paced at lower levels (combined with the lag I've seen mentioned in the videos' comments), I'm not sure this is a fair representation. After all, I recall footage from the last expo this was shown at that moved considerably faster. Also, this is still in beta and SE has been more open to player input than they were in the past, so there's a good chance it'll be faster paced in the actual game.

omg final fantasy is sinking,
ever so slowly...

Wow this looks bad...UI is ugly and doesn't look very streamlined. combat is about as fun as watching the grass grow.

I hope alot changes for retail or this will be another shitty MMO.

what the hell is this bullshit, for the love of the classics, send square-enix a copy of dragon age origins, fallout 3 and mass effect!! ASAP!!

I knew mmorpgs were crap, but wow.

Pretentious faggots bitching about a game that isn't even out yet. Why am I not surprised?

The speed reminds me of facebook apps. FinalFantasy...ville

Video got taken down :(

I was pretty curious

Well, with the vids down, I cannot really do a 'good' quote on this game. But the fact is that the RPG genre (online or offline/single-player) has been SLOWLY DYING!

Either there is too damned much 'GRIND, GRIND, GRIND!' for MMO's, or there is too much of that for single-players.

They really need to come up with a way that the game is CHALLENGING yet there are no more 'experience levels' as they stand today.

Heck, I went back to play FF1 recently.... guess what I did to stop the grind? Yep, CHEAT CODED it! I just couldn't stand the thought of sitting there for HOURS grinding away at gaining experience.

you guys are over reacting to alpha footage. lol I know everything there is to know about this game because I'm on the alpha. there is like 1800 testers on the NA alpha test and they have us all crammed in to what amounts to 10% of the total game area of the game. right now we just finish the 6th test. we are stress testing the servers. this game is far from ready. it took 3 test before the game was even playable. and it took that many just to weed the people out that can't even run this game at all. there are a mass out dumb asses trying to play this game on laptops that don't even get close to the minimum requirements to run this game.

Wait. This is alpha. Of course it's going to be slow - you always start at the extremes, and make your way to a balancing point.

Still not a fan of the WoW formula.

It's like Dragon Age.

fixed.

Because Artefact is biased when it comes to Final Fantasy/Square-Enix related games.
It's a shame too.
Jumping to conclusions when the game itself is still in Alpha?
Artefact, I am disappointed.

I lol'd.

well, well~ looks to seem them cock sucking shit eating mother ass & eye socket fucking reapers took down the "epic" video of characters flinching to 9999 damage dealings moments no doubt.

Japanese RPG is old.. so. fucking... Old. With prettier pictures. I tried out FF13 and could not pass the first "boss" without yawning. attack - attack - redundant - redundant - redundant - oops* better heal... attack- whoops, the "boss" got tired of being pinched and died of boredom~ its body fall down the dark below.. I swear I heard it giggle with glee in its plunge. I quit with the character emoting without end.

14 will be a prettier version of 11.

And that is it.

Too blind to notice the server lag, or what? Look how long it takes to go from readying to fired.

A L P H A

The battle system is on the contrary very intuitive, and the videos the almighty unbiased Artefact picked out do not demonstrate it well at all. In fact, I think he purposely picked out the videos where the characters are not really fighting but testing out the dynamics -just to make the article juicy and controversial. WHICH YOU DO A LOT ARTEFACT.

The load time between attacks is shown on the action gauge. The action gauge is the bar the empties and refills on the upper right hand side, right below the action icon you chose. If you want to attack, it takes as long as it does for the bar to refill. There is also a secondary gauge that is used for the off hand.

I'm looking at continuous lance attacks right now on an alpha video and it takes 4 seconds for the bar to refill.

This is also not taking into account stacking and the battle regimen system which will add an entirely new level of gameplay.

The battle system is not slow, the attack delays are just as long as they were in FFXI if not faster. And the action based system makes battle flow much more hands on and involved.

you guys are stupid, keep in mind that this is BETA. Patches/updates will go accordingly to how players like. geez it's going to be an awesome game shoot FFXI was awesome enough, this is going to rock! make your own MMRPG if you're so good!

It's either this or diablo-style button mash mmorpgs at this point. It's the limitations of our time, and you can't expect developers to suddenly both make amazingly complex systems requiring 1mb+ connections while still catering to those with what we would call "low-end" computers.

I'd like to see anyone on this board to come up with an idea for an mmorpg that doesn't revolve around one of those styles. For an mmorpg, I'm perfectly content with this style, even if it is somewhat slowed, but hopefully be more strategic based.

dont say the game sucks unitl u play it

I'm also interested where you got that quote from. Some random japanese complainer on 2ch I'm assuming? Judging a broken game based on the laggy alpha servers wouldn't surprise me.

Crap what a downer
and I didn't even look at the video o__o

What a pile of shit.
Animations are pure shit, might as well be turn based... the environments look like shit, but that's FF for you... Amazing cut-scenes, good story, hi-res character models, low-res empty environments, boring shitty gameplay.

Everything is moving so fast! Duhhhh
Slow it down, duhhh, my brain cannot compre-durrr-hend...

Most of the thread is just bashing from non FFXI, even non MMO players. There's really no point arguing with them.

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So bad that it's laughable...

This guy is like a level 5 ranger. ~_~ of course he'll be fighting monstrous bats outside of town.. In any MMO you gotta start with the basics--which is boring, and after you learn you gain more abilities, level up, blah blah blah gear... blah and then do fun shit. Even with non mmo games you still have to go through a tutorial level, ya know? Levels 1~10ish in MMOs are like tutorial levels.

People must think if there's no effect on your screen every second as you smash your buttons randomly, it's too slow.

yea thats a bit slow

im still gonna play it tho >.>

Its leaked footage, so I'm hoping the actual combat in its final form will be better... but yeah - what we're seeing right now is pretty boring and exactly where FFXI combat is today(sans annoying chiming noise).

Same piece of shit, a rehash of final fantasy 11.

By the time you finish your attack, your balls drop in real life.

There's a reason why no one (hopefully) takes this site seriously. This is shoddy reporting if I've ever seen.

like playing FFXI or XII in slow-mo

Straight from the developers of the FFXIV alpha forum: Quote:
"There has been a good deal of feedback from testers expressing concern over the slow pace of combat. I would like to assure you that this is due largely to the current server load balancing issues. Unfortunately, such difficulties have so far prevented players from playing the game at the level of quality we envisioned."
/End Quote
The slow combat is because the servers are unstable at this point and alot of other factors needs to be taken into consideration.

Yes, but the question is will they ever fix it? Or will they just leave the game on perpetual life-support a la FFXI?

Hahahah, omg, i was having a really high hopes for FFXIV, but this Battle is a bit too slow imo, i hope SE will fix this, since they say SE is "Embarrassed" means they will fix it

wow the game is really good,
you can use some slow motion mode

"it's bullet time"

I was all ready to jump in and defend Square before i saw the videos. I tried to keep my neutral head about it, but I can't: GODDD THIS IS BOOORRRING!

I almost always love Square's battle systems (yes, even FFXIII's, before you ask) but this just is sad. The sound effects are the same as their iPod clickwheel game, Song Summoner, which feel way too out of place. The menu system is just to tedious for an MMO with lots of other people. And the music? Come on, Square, you know people come to you for exciting battle themes. What are you doing? What. Are. You. Doing.

WHY CAN'T THEY JUST FIND A WAY TO IMPLEMENT THE ATB IN AN MMO? IT'S THE PERFECT BATTLE SYSTEM!

This looks as generic as it can be.
Guess this game won't revolutionize MMORPG-s either...
When will someone invent a new, real-time combat system without auto-attack and auto-aim?

The game doesnt look that slow paced, it just seems to lack auto attacks. And atleast the grahpics do look nice:)

The game looks pretty good... if you sped it up to RO SPEED. That'll be pretty good if they attack that fast.

Why do you hate square enix so much? Really, so embarassed by it? Not only do you worship camwhore girls for no reason other than the fact that they're japanese on the internet, you absolutely have a burning hatred for square enix for no real reason. You, of all people, hate square enix. This is the same person who posts pictures of girls that look like they're 11 years old with their boobs hanging out.

Take you and your followers away from the game anyways.

Are you people fucking stupid? It's in an hour a week alpha stage that only allows in so few people that even the game devs themselves have to wait to sign on.. Lots of the retards posting here remind me of WoW players please stay the fuck away from this game you people are the scum of the earth.

You also should know this game will be suited for people who enjoyed FFXI with improvements, so if you didn't like xi this wont be for you.

* The Beta Test Site is scheduled to be made available at some time
on Tuesday, July 13, 2010.
If you find that you are unable to log in, please try again later
in the day

Guess it moves into beta on tuesday

Are you kidding me?! This is way too fast! My mum can't handle this intense level of combat!!
/sarcasm

the 'numbers' for the damage deal or taken are all relative in all RPG. its all about the length of time spent versus gain balance.

just look at WOW, they have fast combat pace and big numbers for character stats, therefore the boss gonna have even bigger numbers for their HP and one-hit-KO moves that gives no chances to recover.
for FF11, the combat pace is slower and small numbers for character stats, the boss have smaller numbers for HP and damaging moves as compared to WOW.

generally, the ratio of gain for killing 1 mob in FF11 is equal to killing 10 mobs in WOW

Youtube strikes again, the videos are gone.

The game isn't even done yet. Complaining about it now is like eating some raw eggs and a bag of flour and saying "This cake sucks".

You fail. This game is in ALPHA, NOT BETA, and it is far too early to be passing judgment on the sole basis of some leaked videos. Slow combat is a LATENCY issue that is being looked into and fixed. (That is there is an UNINTENDED delay between the time that you press the attack button and when the player character actually attacks.)

Source: http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/c35bm/6th_test_extended_state_of_alpha/

"There has been a good deal of feedback from testers expressing concern over the slow pace of combat. I would like to assure you that this is due largely to the current server load balancing issues. Unfortunately, such difficulties have so far prevented players from playing the game at the level of quality we envisioned.

We would like nothing more than to have testers continue playing the game, and must therefore ask for your understanding as we further investigate this problem and examine several possible solutions. (Also, one may be able to notice an improvement in latency by engaging in combat only in the open areas or dungeons located far from Camp Bearded Rock.)"

it looks like a MMO with Turn Based battle system, leveling can't get any slower than this

To all those saying "This isn't even a Beta, it's an Alpha":

Yeah, remember when this game is coming out? THIS YEAR. As in, within the next six months. Stating that's it's not even in BETA yet at this late date isn't exactly the greatest defense. If anything, you're making it look even worse.

I can only see two likely ways things will go now. Either the game will be pushed back quite a bit, or they'll release a very unfinished game. Hopefully they'll have the sense and integrity to do the former. But knowing SquareEnix, I'm expecting the latter.

Not that it will necessarily be a total loss even if they DO release it this year. MMO's are often released early as bug-infested, unfinished games. Sometimes though, the developers actually will use their updates and expansions to finish their MMO.

Though in my experience, it's much more common for them to just quickly throw together an update, as if to say "No, no, we care! The game'll be good someday, honest!". They then piss off and forget about their MMO until it's time to quickly throw together the next update.

FFXI was a fine example of this.

Player A : Hey, kill steal!

Player B : Oh, sorry. I didn't know that you were targeting it....

Just Final Fantasy being Final Fantasy.

I hope they don't forget to put haste

man... i nearly dose off watching the vid

Geez why remove our comments that talk badly about your journalism? You have to admit this is a pretty terrible report. It's like complaining that a new space ship isn't fast enough or something because it's not fully built yet.

It's not in beta either. Don't quote your opinion like it has some form of higher power in a third person version of reporting.

cont.

just to assure you ppl. the reason any videos of this game is gonna get killed because we all agreed to a NDA. SE doesn't want footage of an alpha test out there for exactlly the reason of what all the haters commented. this is an alpha test. it's gonna be slow.
this is not a finished product yet.

From what I have got to do on the game so far. the game is leaps and bounds better then FFXI. which I still play to this day. just wait till it's released.
you will be surprised.

My grandfather would love this game...If he was still alive...

To everyone stating "This isn't even a Beta, it's an Alpha":

Yeah, remember when this game is supposed to be coming out? 2010. As in, THIS YEAR. In less than six months. Stating that it's not even in Beta yet at this late date isn't exactly the best defense. If anything, you're making it look even worse...

Yeah, Lineage 2 rox, FFXI and XIV SUX HARD and FFplayas are SUCKAZ!

Remember what Spoony said that Final Fantasy VIII sucks? It applies to most, if not all, recent FF incarnation, MMO or not.

Final Fantasy XI, XIII, and XIV sucks and you suck for liking it!

Want 2010 RPG? Play Dragon Age or the upcoming New Vegas

Want MMORPG? Play WoW, Guild Wars, EVE, or one of the abundant Korean MMORPG, heck, Korean MMORPGs are way better than Final Fucking Fantasy.

Here's an idea for Square.
Or, rather, the rapidly dying company formerly known as Square.

Give up.
Sell your shit, and shut down.
You're wasting everyone's fucking time with the terrible games you've been shitting out lately.

*looks at video* What's the big deal? Looks pretty much the same as low level grinding in FF XI. It's a game of patience. Seriously these WoWfags think THIS is generic? Fuck them and their ADD instant gratification. Not a game for people who want to unlock everything in the first 40 levels. Morons. Every one of you.

Why don't they just make their FFMMOs a new brand like they did with Crystal Chronicles? FFXI and XXIV dont even have an ending. There's nothing final about it. Plus, I hate MMOs and just want to play and finish every FF story. For those that love MMOs, there should be a new series titled FF:"something" or whatever. That would chill a lot of us at least.

SE should make Tri-Ace do the battle system for this game too. I know Star Ocean 4 sucked, but the battle system's pretty decent and fast-paced. Plus, Tri-Ace's works have been successful so far(like End of Eternity and Eternal Sonata)
well, just my opinion.

and that's exactly the reason why leaking alpha information is a bad thing, people that dont know shit start to write stupid articles about a unfinished product.

wait for the finished product or at least the open beta to write about it or GTFO

Phantasy Star Online: Blue Burst > Final Fantasy XI and XIV

this is low level,newbie gameplay. we cant judge the whole game with this.

I would agree they need a lot more work to compete against other MMORPG in the market right now consindering online subscription less then 300,000 you might as well make another version that will make fans buy into.