Japanese Animators “Earn $3/Hour”

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The notorious poverty of Japanese animators once again come in for scrutiny, with animators reportedly earning an hourly wage of only $3, less than a burger flipper.

Average incomes for anime industry employees are said to be pathetic even by Japanese standards – actual animators received an average annual wage of ¥1,050,000 ($10,000). Artists received ¥2,320,000, whilst performers could expect only ¥3,330,000 and even directors only received ¥4,950,000.

Looking at the results by age reveals it is most probably seniority and not merit which is the primary determinant of wages, a practice which became entrenched in Japan in the post-war period and still dominates the labour market – those in their twenties received an average of ¥1,100,000, those in their thirties ¥2,130,000, whilst those aged 40-60 found their earnings peaking at a meagre ¥4,000,000.

Actually dividing this income by hours worked (Japanese companies not infrequently demand massive amounts of unpaid overtime) reveals an even more pitiful truth – the average hourly wage for animators is estimated at ¥298 ($3), that for artists ¥689, and that for directors ¥1,412.

For reference, McDonald’s employees in Tokyo can expect an hourly wage of ¥1,000.

Japan’s plunging marriage and birth rates have often been blamed on these kind of hiring practices – employees in their twenties and thirties increasingly report that girlfriends, let alone wives, are out of their reach. The situation would appear to be even more aggravated in the anime industry.

The survey also asked about job satisfaction – unsurprisingly, 62% reported their love of drawing was the main motivator, as opposed to other factors such as money. 16.6% reported grave dissatisfaction with their work, 37% “dissatisfaction” and only 3.5% were “very satisfied.” 70% reported dissatisfaction with their wages.

With studio output declining recently it seems unlikely matters will improve.

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  • Anonymous says:

    If you know how to save cash and cut costs then 1$ a day is sufficient for food already… though in the Philippines costs rose that we need $3 just to get by for a day….

    • Anonymous says:

      comparing the absolute wages of impoverished countries to developed countries is one of the dumbest things ever to grace the propagandist scene. How much is the cost of living in a 3rd world country compared to the cost in Japan? (hint: it’s not the same)

  • Anonymous says:

    Even though we’re all sympathetic, I doubt we can do anything to change the state of things. As a lot of people already mentioned, buying DVDs and ceasing fansubbing won’t help. And there’s the problem of animators actually WILLING to work with such low wages.

    Seriously, they should all go on strike, like the writers of Hollywood.

  • damn it man this sux. i wish i could buy dvds but there so damn expensive and not worth it. also it takes like 2yrs to get anything over here, is k-on! season 1 even here yet?

    by the time i get to go 2 japan anime will be dead or crap. -_-

  • Cerenado says:

    Being overly xenophobic and having low replacement rates, i.e. less babies, will make japan a country where over two thirds of its populace is of retirement age in the decades to come. With such sad facts ahead of them, it’s just normal for industries to start and favoring “seniority” over anything else…

    • Anonymous says:

      If you bought the stuff in America then the money goes to the American industry.

      People just don’t seem to understand that when America license an anime they pay the Japanese industry to use the product. After that the Japanese will not get any money from the product sold in America.

      • Anonymous says:

        >If you bought the stuff in America then the money goes to the American industry.

        You make that sound like a bad thing. God forbid investors, producers, and retailers make some money from releasing legitimate products.

        >After that the Japanese will not get any money from the product sold in America.

        Incorrect. Most licenses require both an advance, and royalties based on units sold, or a schedule, or when set sales milestones are met. Licenses also have termination dates, so when a US licensee is not performing to expectation, the Japanese licensor may choose to let the license expire, or refuse licenses on later episodes.

  • Anonymous says:

    Hopefully this situation will ease down a bit when TV become connected with internet.
    When that happens, studios won’t have to rely on those crappy importers to get their animes abroad as they all will have their own websites to stream those series.

  • Anonymous says:

    This article fails to address one very important open question. Where does the money actually go? If a show is moderately successful and pulls in a fair amount of sponsor support, high ratings, live event ticket sales, promotional items sales, and eventually DVD and merchandise sales, you would expect the creators to get quite a bit of that money after operational expenses are paid. It’s painfully obvious to me that someone in this chain is getting a very unbalanced portion of the earnings for a successful show.

    I would love to know how the anime business is structured. It must be very, very different from the software business.

  • Anonymous says:

    Piracy is not the problem. It’s the studios. They’re trying to squeeze too much work out of each animator, resulting in too much overtime.

    Though speaking of piracy… It’s a similar factor which contributes to low sales in other areas, trying to squeeze too much out of a market. In Japan, people can afford to buy a lot more manga for their dollar.

    Don’t believe me? Okay, let’s put it this way. Walk into a bookstore like Chapters with, say, fifteen bucks. You’ll walk out with a single volume and enough change to buy a small, overpriced coffee for three bucks. Walk into a bookstore in Japan with, say, fifteen hundred yen, and you’re walking out of the store with three tankobon, the equivalent of a stateside volume.

    • Anonymous says:

      True that, I wanted negima season 2 but they slpit a 26 EPISODE SEASON INTO TWO PARTS for like 45 bucks a part. So if I wanted 26 episodes of a anime I liked I would spend 90 bucks. I’m glad they released it as one whole part but I have to wait (I find girl meets girl in omnibus form ^_^)

  • Anonymous says:

    These fucking idiots. There’s an entire fucking WORLD of people that want your product, but you only worry about selling to other Japanese. The first company to throw off the xenophobic bullshit and *embrace* a world-wide audience via the internet will be richer than fuck. Let your fans know that you make animation for everybody-make people all over the world want to give you money for your product by establishing a relationship with them.

    As an capitalist American it breaks my heart to see a product with such appeal so poorly marketed and distributed.

  • Anonymous says:

    According to a blog I once read, this is caused by the fact that money paid per cell being static for both colourers and drawers- While computer colouring has made colouring easier, it has made drawing harder. Thus, colourers get decent pay and animators are grossly underpaid.

  • Anonymous says:

    How the hell do those people survive the days with $3 an hour? That’s saying everything in japan is becoming cheap which it isn’t.
    WE PROVIDE FULL HOTEL SERVICE FOR $2.95 FOR ONE PERSON. FAMILY PACKAGE IS A WHOPPING $3.00. COME STAY AT OUR HOTEL.

  • Anonymous says:

    Haha, the guy directing the anime only earns 1.5x more than some guy who flips the burgers and wipes the tables.

    Such crummy pay. I laugh at those who say, “But this is for the dream!” Yeah, right. Go work in a job that pays $3 per hour for a few years, then come back and talk about living the dream.

  • Anonymous says:

    TV animation industry in general demands unpaid overtime, not just in japan but north america as well. Budgets are shrinking everywhere, and they have x amount of dollars to deliver a product. Don’t blame the studios, blame the producers and the networks who pay to have these shows made.

  • Anonymous says:

    if they do what the company that makes grand tarismo did (puting amenities like a awesome media center a kitchen showers and a laundromat) and letting them sleep under there desks $3 an hour would go a lot further

  • Anonymous says:

    in video game industry -in france- graphic artists are usually barely paid better than testers, though they are often here to compensate the project’s lack of consistence.

    because graphics are regarded as a lowly manual task that anybody could take up, describe or explain -from a manager point of view. like game design (“oh.. you just write down stuff, anybody could do that, after all”)

    plus it’s a “dream job” and bosses like to assume you’re willing to work only for glory. which isn’t quite false, i admit 🙂

  • Okay, so this is just stupid.

    Getting $3 a hour is crap. When I was working, I got about $70 a day, about $9.50 a hour. Mind you, I was working in the IT industry.

    I admit that I do torrent anime, but I would possibly stop doing that and actually help the companies recover lost profits if the companies that do the animation actually do English/Japanese subtitles. So, when I buy the DVD, I can pop it into my computer, load up MPlayer/Windows Media Player, set Subtitles to ON and in English, get some popcorn and watch a season of K-ON in English. Or they ship a English Dub for Western countries.

    Yes, I know it’s easy to say, but seriously, I would. If DVDs where $30 a pop, sure, I’d go out and buy DVD copies of K-ON, Lucky Star and Strike Witches. Heck, pop a season on Pay-TV western services like Foxtel and Austar if Japan’s anime industry needs some cash in a hurry. I look at prices for getting DVDs imported from Japan and they are like $100 AUD. Too expensive IMO.

    I assume all profits from the figmas and nenodroids don’t go back to the artists/designers either?

    I’d be mad if K-ON turned into some scribble.

  • Anonymous says:

    Working with that low minimum wages feels wrong, heck it is wrong. *sighs* I’m surprised most animators is pulling through with their love for drawing, even though they know its a bit unfair to be working with little wages they’ve been given. I just don’t got much to say about this.

  • Anonymous says:

    Well, one can see why some of the animators might be lacking motivation on quality of work…

    Now I gotta wonder how much a miner or construction worker in a third-world country would make in a month?

  • Bakamoichigei says:

    I’m not saying these wages aren’t ridiculous bullshit and they deserve better, but just imagine how little the overseas animators get for inbetweening and stuff. <___<

    You'd think that with all this moeblob shit that sells a hojillion dollars worth of useless plastic garbage and DVDs/BDs they'd be able to pay animators better…

  • Maybe the industry needs to produce less, turn out better drawn work, pay better pay, and provide anime more worthy of purchase.
    Likely too many sharing the pot.
    Example, I watched Ladies vs Butlers. Why not, I could, it was downloadable. But as anime it was low grade schlock. It wasn't worth the money the producers paid to make it. I'm sure not putting fucking money out of wallet to buy it.
    If the anime industry needs anything, it's not better protection of their intellectual property, its a better over all product.
    I didn't mind watching Kannagi with the exception it was 13 eps of poorly planned plot, and a sudden stop ending. It's not really worthy of my cash, as all it is is 13 poorly planned eps of anime.
    I like K-On. It seems to at least go somewhere, with some manner of re watchable pleasant animation. No low grade fan service. Over all a product worth buying. Maybe anime needs to get it's fucking act together and get back to making decent stuff worth buying.

  • Anonymous says:

    Considering how muhc your average anime DVD/Blu-ray costs, you’d think that these people would be earning more. Seriously, where does all the money go? To the seiyuu? The prodoction companies?

    Conclusion: This is tragic.

    • Anonymous says:

      Seiyuu are paid poorly too.

      The problem is, so few people buy DVDs nowadays. A series sells 3000 copies, you have no choice but price it at $60/70 per DVD. It’s been getting worse each year, the sales decrease more and more and the prices go up more and more so that they can meet the ends despite the low sales.

      It’s indeed tragic. We’re living the end of an era, because things will have to change radically sooner or later. And it won’t all be for good. 🙁

      • Anonymous says:

        It’s amazing really, the sheer volume of anime fans that live outside of Japan.

        Look, I know most of you despise Naruto, but it’s been a huge innovation with it’s online distribution model. If other companies recognize it’s sucess, and see that it’s capable of making money this way, then perhaps there is hope yet.

  • The honest truth is, if you do something you love for a living then you’ll never make much money but this takes it to far, this really shows how dedicated the artist’s are when they put up with a pay check like this.

  • Rethardus says:

    Wow, as a fellow animator, I feel really bad for them…

    They put their heart into their animation, and even those crappy animations of the US get paid more.

    No wonder the quality drops in recent series. If you want an animation to be good, animators need to be motivated, not just because it’s their passion.
    That would be a fucked up reason for the anime to extinct. But it probably won’t.

  • Anonymous says:

    Which means there’ll be even more moe and cliched stuff; because it’s the only ventures that are guaranteed a modest profit. Trying anything risky or innovative, which then fails, would only compound the chance of total failure. Sad.

    • Anonymous says:

      Bakemono was neither moe nor clichéd, in fact it relates more strongly to your terms risky and innovative, and yet is the highest seller in recent years excluding the big series such as Naruto.

    • Anonymous says:

      Innovative works are why the fucking genre exists in the first place; that is why it’s so strong.

      I totally agree with you, but this play-it-safe, homogenized anime is going to be the death of itself.

      • erochichi says:

        C`mon, i see lots of new non-loli/moe animes regularly. No shortage of different themes, if you need them. And what about buying over 10 year old titles on DVD? You can find cheap & good titles among those. Moe as well.
        Yokosoo Yoko & Minky Momo, anyone?

  • Anonymous says:

    I was just replying to anon(14:52) that if fansubs had any effect on their salary I doubt it would do much more damage then the already raws on the net since he was talking about CR and the like is all.

  • Yeah, knew this would happen when i tried out an animeation studio, they needed high standards and they get paid crap. Its life, and what is the best you can get anyways?

    You must really love the work to forget the cash, no… there is no such thing as “you must enjoy work and be paid good money”, its impossible, every work has a flaw.

      • Anonymous says:

        If you love a series and want to support that series and the industry, you buy it.

        I have hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of dollars in DVDs sitting on the shelf next to me. Yes, they were $70+ each. All first press limited edition Japanese releases. And I don’t regret one cent. Even when the animation of my favorite show went to hell, I continued supporting it. It’s a matter of principles.

        But people in general prefer to have things convenient for themselves, and won’t spend some money to keep the things they like alive. This is why things get worse and worse. We all have priorities…

        • Anonymous says:

          Not everyone is fucking rich like you.

          On the other hand, there is a shop in the mall close to where I live that sells new and used dvds in good condition, so I usually buy my anime second-handed at more decent prices. Even then the only new dvds that top 30 dollars in price are box sets that contain an entire season or two, so I’m not sure where the hell you guys are buying such expensive anime from.

  • Anonymous says:

    “The survey also asked about job satisfaction – unsurprisingly, 62% reported their love of drawing was the main motivator, as opposed to other factors…”

    And we still see a lot of shitty animes coming out. So much for ‘satisfaction’.

    Of course, that doesn’t apply to the select few titles that are above decent. Maybe the shitty animation quality is a direct result of low pay? Would quality increase if animators are paid more, all round? Being in an industry that requires similar creativity(I don’t directly MAKE it. I just have to deal with these kind of people as part of my job) been told by artists that they ‘design something as good as the pay’, to quote one of them directly.

    But I choose to be a skeptic and say this is not the case most of the time.

    • Anonymous says:

      @ Anon 16:07 :

      There’s a saying in engineering which I think aplies to anime:

      Cheap, Fast, Good. Pick any two.

      If the bosses “cheap out” and don’t hire enough animators, that raises the number of cuts an animator has to complete in time X, which reduces the amount of time an animator can spend on a single cut, which means the animator — even a good animator — has to take shortcuts to make the deadline.

  • Anonymous says:

    >>GTFO less animators = less anime too
    And plus loli reduces crimes that are commited.

    LOL I’d like to see you show me studies that actually support that stupid theory of yours.

    Less anime? I’m fine with that. Animes now are stupid moe loli ero trash anyway. They could’ve made actual great ones like the Rorouni Kenshin OAV or even Escaflowne but nooo. Instead they’re making trash that you guys fap to.

    • Japan is the land with the biggest abundance of fetish porn for just about every taste, available virtually everywhere. By far.

      Japan is the land with the lowest sexual crime rates of all industrial countries. By far.

      The abundance of porn was steadily increasing in the last few decades. The sexual crime rates were steadily sinking in the last few decades.

      Want statistics? Use the intertubez. Happy now?

        • Anonymous says:

          It’s no use Schrobby, he’s just like those people who claim for the past decade that violent games = violent behaviour. We all know that little by little they’ve been proven wrong.

          Also, he is a troll. A bad one that is.

        • erochichi says:

          Either way, these statistics are bullshit. Reporting of rape crimes vary greatly, in some countries (i put it out bluntly: to example Greece, Jemen & Saudi-Arabia) officials do not want to receive women`s reports at all. Crime victims are seen as most guilty. Those countries send fake numbers to these statistics, pulled out of the hat.
          Per capita list doesn`t have Sweden included, it should be found around 30th place. Very sloppy, not serious statistics job. There maybe is more similar disappearances.
          Very superficial summary.
          But i think t`s safe to say Japan is not among the worst in reality.

        • That statistics of yours is bullshit as it is per country. Obviously bigger countries have more, duh.

          Now, when we look at the rate per capita on the same site this tells us something…

          http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_rap_percap-crime-rapes-per-capita

          Japan is placed #54. 0.017737 rapes per 1,000 people.

          Australia has 0.777999 rapes per 1,000 people. 43.9 times the amount Japan has.

          Canada has 0.733089 rapes per 1,000 people. 41.3 times the amount Japan has.

          USA have 0.301318 rapes per 1,000 people. 17 times the amount of Japan.

          Sadly that statistics doesn’t show incline or decline at all or I could prove that this part of what I said is true as well.

          You were saying?

          Before you go pulling generalized stuff out of your ass, go use the “intertubez” first.

          Not only finding statistics, understanding them is quite important, too.

  • Anonymous says:

    Less we recall back 5 to 10 years ago, there were animes pumping out by the ton each season. That number has been dwindling at a steady rate over that course of time. Eventually we’ll be lucky enough to get 10 anime a season, if this keeps up.

    • Anonymous says:

      I thought that, around the same timeline as you suggested, studios hired more foreigners as animators, because I recall clearly on seeing Korean names popping up in the credits.

      It was also around the same time animes started to look more like a Flash animation(though backgrounds pretty much remained as detailed).

  • Anonymous says:

    If this is indeed true, and not sensationalized, it’s so very sad.

    I am working two nights a week as a bartender while going through school, and I make almost as much as they do in their full time, dream job.

    I guess animating in Japan is truly a labor of love, and every time I see amazing animation, I’ll feel grateful.

  • Barbarian of Gor says:

    Here’s a “Foreign Devil” concept: The Union.

    I’m sure the guys that own the animation houses gross many millions even in bad times, and I don’t mean Yen.

  • nocturne says:

    Do you know what the average wages were, say, 20 years ago? Adjusted by today’s price index, of course. I wonder if this is something that’s gone downhill over the years, remained the same or (god forbid) gone up. If it’s the first reason, one possible explanation could be a bloating of the industry over time. A sizable percentage of working Japanese actually live below the poverty line (probably on par with America, which is notorious for this), so it could also be a lot of other factors that don’t apply specifically to the anime industry.

  • Ikuhisashiku says:

    That seriously sucks.
    Maybe it’s because I obviously don’t love drawing as much as these people do, but I wouldn’t stand for it. I’d just quit.

    In order to even be able to support myself, I’d probably have to work 2~3 other jobs on top of being an animator. I’d drive myself to an early grave.
    God forbid I was (married/had kids) in that kind of situation or I’d only get to that grave all the sooner.

    • They can’t. The poor guys go to work in fast food joints. That’s why we see pizza hut and stuff in anime.

      It’s a thank you from the animators for providing them a (relatively) good paying job to earn a living…

    • Anonymous says:

      but more importantly, the revenue must go to the animators instead of the studio execs more – just like musicians.

      and it will bode well to have less country restrictions – most shows i wanna see and wanna pay crunchyroll to watch are not available in my region – a fine island in s.e. asia. all i get are anime dubs and chinese subs (i don’t know chinese and i don’t really like dubs – i just like listening to japanese, i don’t hate the VAs) on animax.

      i can’t get amazon eps, i can’t buy itunes as i can’t afford an iPod and it’s too much of a hassle. i can’t get Hulu or Funi videos that americans get for free.

      ad-supported free crunchy roll – remember most kids who watch anime don’t even have a credit card – how to buy? so ads are a good way in that sense – but they need to get the merch market – cheap to produce, pretty high profits. make it global.

        • Rethardus says:

          Even if Ghibli use other companies to do their inbetweens, they still need a good company to do it.

          If what you’re saying is true about the difference between movie animators and series : what about KyoAni, Bones; Production I.G., …?

          They’re obviously better than other companies.

          And we’re not even talking about the key artist, who is an animator too. They are crucial to the animation.

          Don’t underestimate inbetweeners either, an wrong inbetween can ruin a whole sequence.

        • Anonymous says:

          You do realise the Ghibli often outsource their inbetween work to other companies right?

          Ghibli and 4C produce such fine quality works because they have the time to do them. TV series have much stricter deadlines for production and thus often result in much lower standards because of that. Most of the animators within the industry have very similar skills regardless of where they are hired it’s the concept artists, storyboarders, designers etc that really make or break companies.

        • Rethardus says:

          What the hell?

          The quality of animation you get depends on the kind of people you get. I know a mere inbetweener doesn’t get to decide anything in the animation progress. But you can’t expect a bad inbetweener to work for Studio Ghibli or 4°C.

          It’s like saying that it doesn’t matter whether you pollute or not, because one person isn’t even significant.

        • Anonymous says:

          Animators are also the ones who get the damn things to move. Yeah, it’s a team effort, but without the animators you’d have a whole bunch of storyboards and character designs.

  • Anonymous says:

    It is tedious work too, imagine not drinking too much water in order to minimize sweating so you dont sweat on your linearts, DURING SUMMER?

    Give these people a raise!!! They’re way better than idols dammit!!

    AV idols can keep their wages though lol

    • Anonymous says:

      It’s not much, but likely well above the minimum wage laws. These laws tend to underestimate a person’s needs. And definitely don’t count in the needs of his wife or girlfriend.

    • Anonymous says:

      The minimum wage per hour may be more, it’s the over-time (unpaid) that drags it down.

      It’s like any job where a salary is paid. You get so much per month/week/etc. but are expected to work ‘over the odds’.

      Japan’s min wage is 618yen/hour and above.
      For those of you in the UK, bear in mind we have one of the highest min wages in the world.

  • Anonymous says:

    Hm,, apparently Japan doesn’t really care, and the anime industry is going downhill, less series being produced, less sales, less money. and yea, it sucks that someone from McD’s is making more than someone slaving over drawings.

    • Anonymous says:

      This is so disappointing, and its not the first time i have seen this. I wish i could support the industry more but i can’t. On top of that most of the money made from the sale of anime DVD goes to the Anime houses which sucks. I have also heard that to a certain extent some of the animators work on two or more projects at a time in order to get more wages.

      Yeah japan has state run insurance

      • erochichi says:

        Anon 16:19 many ppl want you to believe that. Same ppl say unions are always bad, communism and threatens freedom.
        Think the of this: Soviet Union did not have FREE unions at all. Only state & party controlled fakes.
        Looks like free unions are not communism at all?
        Every kind of dictatorships (most ppl in those does not think their country is one) can not tolerate free unions, among other expressions of real freedom.
        All dictatorships are not ruled by state.

      • erochichi says:

        Anon 16:19 There definitely are unions in Japan, though probably not strong ones in anime industry.
        But in general, unions in Japan are comparable to Western European ones, and therefore much more common in many areas of employment than in America. People in management positions have their own organizations.
        When we are at it, most ppl in Japan have good health additional insurances & retirement pensions too, if they have been members long enough and payed for their membership fees.
        State insurances exist for all as a common basic standard. If it must be said here, yes, Japan is a good social welfare country. But not even that helps against alcoholism or mental illnesses.

      • Kitsune9Tails says:

        Most of the blue collar work force in Japan is in a union. Only when employees move to management positions, do they leave the union.

        I don’t know how they’re run, or if they’re close to the same kinds of unions in the US and other western countries, but they definitely exist and in great quantities.

        • Anonymous says:

          Without the presence of fansubs, I’d never have invested thousands of bucks into DVDs, merchandise and other shenanigans. The eight Nagato Yukis on my desk attest to that.

          And I know several people for who it’s the same.

        • erochichi says:

          How can fansubs kill the industry, if gaijin can not buy new anime in their countries and pay for it to Japanese makers?
          It may slow down the sales of existing, older releases a little.
          And new fansubbed anime of today has been watched in west by some ppl when it, or if it gets released later.
          Japanese anime viewers do not need any fansubs, when they watch new anime first showings in their TV channels.
          Ppl have things well scrambled in their heads in this issue. Yes, internet has impact on both anime and manga industries, but you can not throw accusations that wildly as many are doing.

        • Anonymous says:

          wow all the fansubbing is killing the industry comments are getting negative reviews because every1 here watches fansubs. (I bet ill get negative reviews for mentioning this)

    • Anonymous says:

      @ Anon 14:40

      As to using computers to reduce the amount of labor required to produce an anime, I’ve always wondered why they don’t use PCs to do inbetweening.

      Anyone who’s ever used the MikuMiku Dance program knows its possible for the computer to fill in the frames between “object at position A” and “object at position B”.

      You’d need to train artists/illustrators how to _make_ proper models, and how to manipulate them, and the computer program would have to know how to lighting shifts … kind of like creating, oh, I dunno, maybe a computer game.

    • Yeah well, when so many anime “fans” think it’s perfectly fine to steal all their anime on the internet, instead of actually (god forbid) paying for it, anime studios can’t afford to pay their employees what they deserve, or else they’d go out of business entirely.

      If anime fans ever put their money where their hobbies are, this kind of sad state for animators wouldn’t exist in the first place.

      • Kitsune9Tails says:

        To Anon@23:11:

        And what do these “fans” do when they literally cannot buy these products you’re so righteously defending? Face it, only a tiny percentage of anime makes it to the shelves here in the US (and probably less in other western countries). And I’ll bet you’ll find a large number of anime fans WILL buy it when it’s available. But when it’s not available for purchase, what should these “fans” do?

        You’ve got to have the perfect solution for that, right? I mean, you were so gung-ho just a minute ago…

      • Anonymous says:

        Get a clue. Pirating/Stealing/Etc is a problem, but that’s not why the wages are low. They’re low because the studios know they can pull this shit without anyone doing anything.

        And anyway, if everyone started buying Anime legally tomorrow, do you think the wages would go up? Not a chance, the studios would pocket the money and continue to push out more crap.

        Look at how much Anime was made between 2000-2009 and how much was made between 1990-1999. It’s a huge expansion and 80% of it was crap. The Anime studios arn’t in the situation they’re in because of piracy, they’re in the situation they’re in because of market oversaturation. Too many shows competing for nearly the same amount of consumer dollars (Anime culture and popularity has grown, but not enough to support a 10x increase in production)

        I have no sympathy for the Anime studios or the Manga shops. There wouldn’t have been a market outside Japan if it hadn’t been for fansubs and scanlators, so attacking that fanbase now is disingenuous.

        And to be honest, I don’t have alot of sympathy for the workers making $3 an hour.. if they’re willing to do that when other options for employment are easily within reach, then that’s their problem. If they love it that much to keep working as a starving artist, then kudos to them, but don’t whine to me about it.

    • Diemeow23 says:

      Oh my GO~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~D! Konata is is. . .LEFT HANDED!NO~~~~~~!

      Anyways~~!Damn this so sad my stomach’s crunching! I’m near crying mode! But I’d still love to be an animator!
      Only reason I’m not buying the DVDs is cause it’s not available here unless I go through great lengths for a few episodes! I feel so seriously ashamed on depending 100% on funsubs but I can’t help it I love this stuff! I think I’m gonna die soon!

      P.S.
      pls don’t vote me out, I like pie too!

    • Anonymous says:

      3 bucks an hour?! That’s freaking slave labor man.. no wonder why there’s only one season for a series.. that is totally pathetic. Don’t they have unions in japan? probably not..

        • Anonymous says:

          You mean the politicians. The bankers merely made money selling the mortgages the government said they had to make to stay banks back to the government. If the government agencyies Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac weren’t buying those kind of mortgages, the banks wouldn’t have risked making them, as they’d be stuck with them when they went belly up. Instead, the vast majority of them, as well as ALL mortages in the US, are owned by the US government. All so a few congressionals can say “we believe in affordable housing! We aren’t going to allow anyone to change what is being done with mortgages!”

          For something to get really screwed up, you always have government involved.

        • Anonymous says:

          And while people who are actually productive make almost €3/h, according to the BCC although wages are down across the board, the bankers who caused the recession in the first place actually have seen their wealth increase.

        • Anonymous says:

          Why do you think artists like Takashi Murakami decided to open their artist collective in NYC? Koji Morimoto and the rest of the Studio 4C team play around there constantly. There are solutions to the problem and they involve leaving Japan behind.

        • Anonymous says:

          Sadly, there isn’t a solution in sight. Japan was and still is in a recession. It has been in the longest recession, and seems to be aiming to have the recession last another decade. All the while it is still importing massive amounts of food.

          In times like these, you’d wonder if a declining population is a boon to kept the nation reduce its needs for food consumption.

        • Anonymous says:

          @ Anon 15:12:

          No matter how well a company is doing and no matter how large the executive bonuses given, the company can never quote-afford-unquote to improve working conditions or raise worker wages.

          I think that’s pretty much what the white plantation owners of the pre-Civil War-era American South told their black slaves.

        • CoreFlood says:

          so… if i were to start an animation company and offer to pay my staff a regular wage here in north america, i wonder how easily i’d be able to take the top animators and actors from various companies and make them my own usurping all the other existing animation companies that are currently on top…

          also to ensure my profits i’d make it not only available within japan but internationally via the internet mwahahahaha…

          one day one of us if not me will do it… it’s coming…