Music industry representatives are said to have spoken of their approval for child pornography, saying it is a great way to press for Internet censorship which they can then use to attack file sharing.
Quotes from a self-proclaimed “pirate” attendee of an anti-piracy seminar as he describes the other attendees’ jubilation at the fact that moral hysteria can be exploited both to sell records and to build censorship infrastructure:
“Child pornography is great,” the speaker at the podium declared enthusiastically.”It is great because politicians understand child pornography. By playing that card, we can get them to act, and start blocking sites. And once they have done that, we can get them to start blocking file sharing sites”.
The venue was a seminar organized by the American Chamber of Commerce in Stockholm on May 27, 2007, under the title “Sweden — A Safe Haven for Pirates?”. The speaker was Johan Schlüter from the Danish Anti-Piracy Group, a lobby organization for the music and film industry associations, like IFPI and others.
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“One day we will have a giant filter that we develop in close cooperation with IFPI and MPA. We continuously monitor the child porn on the net, to show the politicians that filtering works. Child porn is an issue they understand,” Johan Schlüter said with a grin, his whole being radiating pride and enthusiasm from the podium.
And seen from the perspective of IFPI and the rest of the copyright lobby, he of course had every reason to feel both proud and enthusiastic, after the success he had had with this strategy in Denmark.
Today, the file sharing site The Pirate Bay is blocked by all major Internet service providers in Denmark. The strategy explained by Mr. Schlüter worked like clockwork.
Start with child porn, which everybody agrees is revolting, and find some politicians who want to appear like they are doing something.
Never mind that the blocking as such is ridiculously easy to circumvent in less than 10 seconds. The purpose at this stage is only to get the politicians and the general public to accept the principle that censorship in the form of “filters” is okay.
Once that principle has been established, it is easy to extend it to other areas, such as illegal file sharing. And once censorship of the Internet has been accepted in principle, they can start looking at ways to make it more technically difficult to circumvent.
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So great.. you WANT children to be abused and sexually exploited so you can use it as leverage to ban music sharing?
What the FUCK?
I'm not going into a discussion of "Party Van" here, though IMO a good "Social Activist" strategy might be to get the guy's picture, combine it with quotes and post it on fliers all over his town. He'd be treated like a "Sex offender" by the same "Witch Hunt" mentality he enshrines because it suits his own purposes.
I actually think the Music industry's goal doesn't end at "Battling Piracy at the cost of Privacy".
As a reaction to their over-reaching lawyers and them still pushing a "Lineup" of "Musicians" that looks like a police lineup of "Gang Bangers and Ho's" but sounds like sh-t even with the best studio technology the public is increasingly turning to "Independent" acts and buying from them directly.
What I think their next goal is is to use the "Device used to circumvent copyright" issue and effectively "Ban" (by lawsuits that ruin small companies) any non-"Professional" level and priced music software. (along with video, 3D, programming, posting things online) This won't be to actually protect themselves from piracy, but to hinder "Independents" in a way that sets back the clock to the 70s and earlier, even the simplest "Recording Studio" costing more than a year's wages and all media outlets locked out save for what the "Big Dogs" own.
They probably won't be able to prevent all people from having/trading "Music software" but when a person records their stuff and puts it online and they start selling, then they send in the lawyers to ruin them with lawsuits claiming the likely truth that they used "Banned" (by property lien against programmer) software to produce it.
Johan Schlüter = Asshole
Fun fact: I know people who's job is to upload child porn to file sharing sites so the statement hat file sharing sites promote child porn becomes a reality.
They work for the music industry.
Report them to the cops. :)
Do eet! For Great Justice and Tasty Irony!
adding more names to the list of people that must die in the war against a foreign power.
this is a war. the internet vs. those who would harm us.
They're shamelessly admitting to using children as weapons. Somehow I'm not surprised. Like at all.
This is how I see it; someone cries pedophile, child porn or what have you and everybody and their grandmother gets on their moral high horses and goes on a crusade destroying anything they find objectionable even if it has nothing to do with the initial trigger. Their excuses seems to always be the same too. Something similar to and including "protecting the innocence of the children" while blatantly ignoring the fact that children aren't as innocent as they were growing up when everyone was named John, George, and Mary (combined there are well over 10 million).
I live in Denmark and it should be noted that our Anti piracy group have given up trying to convict danish people of downloading from Torrents. Last year they tried to get 5 danish people convicted 4 didn't get convicted and the 5th plead guilty.
So yes they did ban ONE site. But they didn't really ban it. What they did was making ONE ISP, make their DNS to block the site. Meaning if you use a open DNS you can still access the site.
For over a year now the anti pirate cause have been standing still. So i have no idea why he is gloating.
The internet is a chaotic force, all this crap will bite them in the ass later.
Thats only going to block Piracy not Child pornography...?
The so the specter of censorship shows it's true hideous face.
It's not about protecting children at all but for the most deprived reason of all gaining control.
This alone should make anyone think twice about supporting any censorship law as the true purpose behind it is a nefarious one.
Never would I have thought I'd actually see people defending CP and saying that it's okay to have sex with children. This site really is full of kiddy fiddlers.
I wouldn't say full of, but there's definitely a section who seems to deem it ok.
Which is complete bull dung to me. They ignore the fact that a child cannot give consent (hence also why there's a juvenile court system as well, due to their inability to come to informed decisions), how easy it is to manipulate/intimidate them to remain silent etc.
Then again, I do believe we've found our next batch of future Roman Catholic Priests here. Considering the padres pulled the exact same crud as these folks are saying is ok, it's only now getting out what they did.
Or maybe they should move to Missouri, so they can have their feonsay, and love them a hole bunch. I mean, that chap is a good example, it's a clear case that the child wanted it right? She was giving consent by approaching him in such an erotic way..
And then there was the Dugard case, also a clear example of that girl wanting to be kidnapped etc etc.
I'd suggest leaving them alone with Big Bubba for a while to see how well their arguments last while receiving similar attention by Bubba, who can clearly tell that they want him.
But you miss out something very very important - no one here is fiddlin' with real kids - just moe stuff and drawn stuff on paper. as adults they know you don't do that shit to real kids.
the real criminals are keeping kids locked up in their cellars, hiding behind vpns, using money to silence victims, beating kids when they want to relieve their frustrations and yelling at them for doing some small thing wrong.
the punishment for possessing drawn art/ lolishoter / taking a pic of a child on the street - is far more severe than actually molesting or raping the child.
what the fuck have we come to?
Well I wasn't talking about the people who like 2D loli since those are just drawings. It's the people who are saying shit like "I don't see why it's bad to have sex with a child". Those are the people who are lumped together with people who simply like 2D loli.
My rules on it are 13 and under yes you do have a problem esp if you give into those urges.
But I have no issues with lolicon even though it's not my thing.
I strongly believe in the first amendment.
Teenagers on the other hand are not innocent and often will lie about their age so thus should be considered a lesser crime.
I was a teenager not too long ago and remember what I thought about.
Most males are sexually attracted to children - there have been psychological studies demonstrating as much. The very notion of "childhood" is itself a recent invention anyway. Interest in 2D is thus a manifestation of already latent desires.
What you are condemning is an unhealthy fixation with little girls occasionally culminating in rape - the distinction has been lost.
Not so sure about the following anons:
17:37 29/04/2010, 19:36 29/04/2010, 17:43 29/04/2010, 19:38 29/04/2010, 17:48 29/04/2010 actually.
But anyway. CP does not equate to Loli/Shota.
The latter are fictional beings, they don't think, bleed, eat etc unless drawn that way.
Unlike CP, which is made with living, breathing, eating etc kids.
And that's a pretty big distinction, least to me anyway.
And yeah, punishment for actual production of CP or the rape/abuse you mention really should be upped, but it's up to the politicians to alter the laws for that. Then again, most politicians aren't that interested in either common sense, efficiency or resolving an issue. They're just interested in good PR so they can line their own pockets or the pockets of friends/donors in big business.
And I'm all in favour of letting their little soundbite hit the major news networks. Sure, there will be a story which puts his comments in the proper perspective eventually. But the damage will already be done at that point (and folks won't believe the correction, because they've already made a decision that it must be true and heaven forbid that they're wrong about something).
Course the chances of this happening is fairly slim, considering who owns the major news networks.
Just what we need, much harsher punishment for an 18 year old that 'rapes' his 17 year old girlfriend.
The law doesn't see a difference from this as opposed to real, nasty rape CP. Laws a horrible thing as is. What kind of system lets a murderer get less time than someone with weed?
Like I said.. Common sense.
If he did rape his gf then put him behind bars for a long time.
If it is something done in light of their mutual relationship, then create a Romeo/Juliet clause to exclude their consensual activities from criminal prosecution. Although again, within reason, so a 16 minimum cut off point isn't that unreasonable. It's not that much to ask for kids to keep their hormones somewhat in check until they're both within the legal boundaries.
By that same token someone with weed should be getting a lesser sentence than someone who committed murder. Although, I can imagine that someone trafficking in multiple tons worth ending up with an equivalent sentence.
Then again, I'm one of those folks fully in favour of fully legalizing it, meaning not just the limited sale in shops or growth for personal use, but also growth for sale to the shops or individuals. And then fully taxing said usage. It's really no different from alcohol, and that's socially accepted.
And laws aren't horrible things, they're just tools, how they're implemented and written is what determines whether or not they're effective or not. In an ideal world, we wouldn't need laws, but considering how fucked up humanity is, and how you need to set up boundaries for the lowest denominators in order to keep society stable.. Well. They're the best we can do.
(And yes, that means that sometimes they're too generalized, but it's just not possible to craft a law in such a way that it can deal with every possible permutation. Most common occurrence is pretty much the best angle to follow, as it covers most situations.)
While I agree that child porn is being used as a scapegoat and that monitoring everyone's internet activity would do much more harm than good, the fact that so many people on this site actually support having sex with children is downright disturbing.
Anyone who expresses their opinion that children of any age can consent to sex all get their message voted up while people who say sex with children is wrong all get their messages voted down until they are no longer visible.
If people seriously think that a 6/7/8/whatever year old is capable of giving informed consent, then I genuinely believe there is something wrong with them. If they think a child can make a truly informed choice like that, then they should support the idea of a child being able to live completely independently in all aspects of life. Why not rent them apartments and sell them booze?
It's just a fact that unless a child is some sort of super-genius, they aren't going to grasp the consequences of sex. Their naivety makes them easy targets for predators. I'm sure many of you have tricked your little brothers into believing stupid things like there's a monster in their closet or something like that. Young children can be easily manipulated into believing anything and adults can exploit that. And yet so many posters here agree that they possess the mental capacity for sexual consent. Unbelievable.
Sankaku posters seem to have a double face of sorts. When an article is posted about some guy raping a girl in some fucked up Islamic country, then we all agree that it's sick. And then there's articles like this where everyone changes their mind and asserts there's nothing wrong with pedophilia.
Whatever. Bring on the minuses.
I think you are misunderstanding. I don't see a double face. Everyone should know that rape is wrong and be against it. But pedophilia does not implies any sort of abuse, it's just a preference.
Do children posses the mental capacity for sexual consent?
I don't know. I'm not a doctor. Maybe a physical development which happens only by age is required. Maybe not, maybe the capacity is there and needs only the proper knowledge to be used (which may or may not be possible to attain by a certain age).
Regardless of this, however, if that capacity can be determined, it means that it can be tested for.
I'm sure most people here are not saying that having sex with a child without proper consent is right, nor are they assuming that everyone can give such consent.
the music industriy love the child porn.. FBI arrest'em !!! and free us of this greedy people
WOW, how... bold they are. This cry for stopping the pseudo-Net Neutrality crowd that's out just to knock down a sense of some privacy on the internet is loud and imaginative. However, I think this will generate a far different response than they thought.
*still wrapping my head around the CP-piracy link...*
Does it really exist? I mean we have been talking about it for years, I surfed the net for it countless of times, but not once have I seen one. I mean if we are talking about something on the rank with unicorns....
We are the otakus, geeks, nerds of this world. We control the events from the backstage on the orders of rich capitalists. We are all powerful, nothing can prevent us from pirating other that bringing down the internet itself. As long as the internet is there.... WE SHALL REMAIN!
This might come as a shock to you but the majority of the nerds and geeks don't want to have anything to do with pedophiles.
Then how come none of you are vocally castigating it? If what i understand of this site is correct, only those who are registered members can upvote/downvote replies. And if my observation is correct, those who are against the practice are those who are non-Sankaku members. Gee, I dunno but it's saying "Sankaku Complex members are pedophiles". maybe that ED article in SanCom is true after all.
And in before "you're just a new member, you don't have the right to condemn us" bullshit. Your shit smells just as bad as mine so STFU.
>2007
lol ok
Pirates: "We Love China's Censorship"
Western piracy activists are said to have spoken of their approval for China's Internet censorship, saying it is a great way to press for "civil liberties" and "freedom of speech" which they can use to justify unmonitored file sharing through seven proxies.
you guys need to watch the Cartman Joins NAMBLA episode of south park man.
Limewire anyone? And I'm not talking about music.
Don't worry guys, if shit get THAT serious, I'll become an hero, and take as many people with me, all in the name of freedom of speech. I promise.
Am I invited to the party too?
Music is porn for your ears. Therefore, every time I hear the crap these music industrialist shove into my ear is like and pardon my Juggalo reference, "putting a dick into my ear." But I digress.
...fuck this blew my mind. and really even though he admitted it's manipulation, people are still stupid enough to fall for it.
Truly disgusting the way they want to exploit both CP and people's morality for their own interests.
If they were really concerned about the children being abused for CP, they'd try to stop it period. Instead they pretend to go against children pornography when it's just a cover for their agendas.
Morality exist to be exploited you silly person.
Nobody really opposes CP with pure intentions, they just don't want to be seen supporting it.
ohh crud!
Censorship does not work and it never will.
Yes it does.
Stalin's Russia: "Disappearing" people. Photoediting so that the person /does not officially exist/.
China: Great Firewall, censoring Google and flaming them for leaving.
USA: "They" are working on it, oh yes they are. But interest groups exist and are funded, more-or-less.
Singapore: This is what the USA is going to be. Be afraid. Be very afraid.
I was wondering when SC would pick up on this quote.
Regardless, It's now a race to rape this guy with a pool cue for days, and then upload it to Youtube.
I don't know really, police often use these websites to hunt down the source of child porn so it's hard to see what is right.
I missed what country's music industry they are reffering to; but music in the us has been downright awful lately. They really should stop looking for scapegoats and sign artists with actual talent.
yarr you will never take down the pirates , never cared for child porn
BAD IS GOOD! DOWN WITH THE GOVERNMENT!
That's exactly what is happening in France. They started talking about going against file sharing, it didn't work. Them they associated child pornography and file sharing, the law was accepted. Now they are actually passing laws to permit the police to install survailance programs in every individual computeur connection. This is madness. For more info look in the internet for "ACTA", you will see how serious this is...
You first. If you think that getting rid of political enemies is something "interested parties" don't do anymore, you are deluding yourself.
And this is the ultimate loop hole. No one will question saving the children by ridding the world of child porn. Too bad that won't solve the problem.
The pervebial foot in the door is slowly opening the beginning of the end.
Newsgroups have already been censored because of 1 post of child porn that could have easily been deleted, and the person arrested. Instead all ISPs shutdown access. The real reason behind it? Piracy.
Many governments have secret blacklists to block sites with child porn, and ALL OF THEM have been abused to remove legit websites both intentionally and accidentally. Recently the EU said it would start filtering child porn sites. Too bad this doesn't get rid of them. More will spring up. Most child porn is traded via high encryption via obscure channels of the internet. This stops nothing in terms of profiting from child porn or the rape of children.
All a person has to do, whether they are from the MPAA, RIAA, or government is say a site has "illegal content" such as child porn and they can block it from the interwebs forever. If a company or government doesn't like what someone has to say like Wikileaks? They can just make it never happen.
The only thing that should be censored is censorship. I don't even believe child porn should be censored because of the huge risk of abuse it veils for manipulation. This isn't about people getting to see children abused. It's about the lynchpin of the very foundation of freedom of expression.
Thankfully for the most part the internet sees censorship as damage, and the streisand effect helps. But that doesn't mean all censorship will go notices. WE HAVE TO STAND UP. this act of censorship is infinitely more vile than child porn
Stand up you say? We lost that chance when weapons of mass crowd control were developed.
Today, it's impossible to preform an armed revolt. All it takes is for the government to grow corrupt once, and there is no getting our freedom back anymore.
Ignorance of the people fuels oppressive regimes. Unless you somehow propose to educate the entire population (against it's will, mind you), they will remain deadlocked into the same abusive political system that they themselves suffer from. There is no way around it. The political and financial elite makes sure that new political parties remain unheard, and unsupported. And the people? They are too scared to do something that may drastically change their lives, be it good or bad.
Society will always pull back the enlightened and progressive. People who are not afraid of change are rare, and even among them, it's rare to see their ideas in motion, let alone completion.
Unless something significant enough to force people to change (ie something that makes them very unhappy) occurs, there is zero desire for change in the common human. Yes, most are unwilling to make their lives better by going out of their comfort zone. Go figure.
It's also only a VERY FEW PEOPLE that are saying that children are being abused in those situations. When people talk to me and hear my arguments AGAINST the idea that children are being 'abused' unless they are held in their homes as virtual prisoners and sexed....... they turn to my side on this issue.
Simply time to realize that pedosexuality is NORMAL, legalize it and realize that if children don't want to be sexed.... all they have to do is TELL AN ADULT!
We don't need to have it being a criminal offense, except in the aforementioned situation.
In other news, we also don't let children handle our credit cards, drive cars and run around town unattended for a reason.
You see, children tend to be very naive about the world around them, and often don't make the best decision in a given situation. It's not rare to see a child who does something and later ends up regretting it. Things that no sane adult would do, given the same situation.
The potential for abuse here is immeasurable. A child is easily influenced and/or intimidated by adults. It's only natural, as they see adults as authoritative figures.
Even if I were to believe that you have the purest intentions and would always treat children with the proper respect, how would you prove to me that others will not?
@23:53
A: Are you telling us that children and adults have comparable resistance to abuse? Go read a book on child psychology. That's as far from truth as it gets.
B: Children, not teenagers. They are different.
In some states a person can drive before they can consent to sex.
Yes, the reason being we don't educate them about handling credit cards, driving cars, etc.
But are you saying no child is capable of doing these things, if properly educated?
I'm not a doctor, maybe there is some development required to comprehend certain things that only comes with age (but age≠time)!
But surely then, it would be possible to test them, right?
Anon @ 19:29
I don't see how this applies only to children. There are countless ways to abuse adult by adult and even adult by child.
> children see adults as authoritative figures.
Huh, so what's the success rate for telling kids "smoking ruins your health"?
Of course they cant do, childrens are stupid. Adults are mostly stupids too, but with experience.