“I Watched a Man’s Life End on the Train Today”

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A denizen of 2ch relates the events he saw unfold on a packed Tokyo train.

From the VIP board:

Woman: “Hey! You just touched me! Get off the train with me now!”

Creepy Otaku: “Wha-It wasn’t me!”

Woman: “No, it was definitely you! Enough already, get off the train!”

Creepy Otaku: “…”

He’s done for… serves him right.

2ch responds:

“Women are amazing aren’t they?

With one word, even if it is a lie, they can end your life completely!”

“I don’t know what really happened but if he was falsely accused I feel sorry for him.”

“If I make a serious reply the correct way of handling this is to dash and run.”

“Well, if you run and get away that works but if you are caught it’s over for you. I think you have to try and avoid getting off at all costs, and keep denying the accusations.”

“I’ll never forget that guy’s face. By the way it was the Seibu Shinjuku line.”

“I wasn’t finished – I’m still working.”

“He’s finished. If he has no witness to say he didn’t do he’s done for. All that remains is for them to take all his money and for him to lose his job.”

“Another sacrifice to some wretched woman.”

“What about the woman? If she was ugly it’s got to be false.”

“Why’d he go off with the woman if he didn’t do it?”

“Aren’t there any men only carriages yet? Oh, right, the feminazi’s source of income would disappear wouldn’t it?”

“Somebody put up that picture please.”

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“How many of those are there anyway?”

“Something like 1 or 2 of every 10 on the Saikyo line.

I saw an old guy running at full pelt to catch a train, and he got unlucky and jumped aboard a woman only carriage. A station attendant immediately dragged him off the train and it departed. Seeing that breathless old guy standing there dumbfounded was really depressing.”

“Try stashing some gay porn in your bag. That’ll fox them.”

“My uncle was sacked after being caught (he says the charge was false). The victim offered to settle for cash but he was furious and instead she really got into it and told him she’d end his life.”

“Something like this… Tokyo is a scary place.”

chikan-catcher.jpg“I should explain a bit more what happened.

The train was totally packed. The train was one of the ones with no straps near the doors for people to grab onto. I was hanging onto a strap with both hands.

I was too far away to see properly, but the creepy otaku was just a normal guy I think. When the train arrived at the station the guy got off with a woman in a suit after some talking, and there was a big fuss on the platform.

As there was nothing to hold onto I think it could well have been a false charge. The train was pretty beat up and it was a rough ride. He could have been guilty or innocent really.”

“It’d be best to have gender segregated carriages really.”

From another thread in 2009:

When I was accused of being a chikan I accused them of being pickpockets.

Of course, I wasn’t actually a chikan, but on 2 occasions I was accused of it on trains. ‘You had your hand in my pocket – that’s called pickpocketing!’ I got out of false accusations twice this way – it’s true.

The first time the station staff didn’t know what to do and let me go.

The second time the accuser was a high school girl. When they told her they’d have to phone her school to do a check of her bag she broke down in tears and said she was probably mistaken. I pressed the matter and told them to check her bag, and she got even more upset. Then I said ‘if it’s that bad I’ll overlook it – I’ll forgive you and go home.’ They let me go.

A lot of these schoolgirls are apparently carrying cannabis or very large amounts of money [from prostitution] so being accused of being pickpockets would stick, and cannabis would obviously be the end for them.”

“I remember some idiot girl saying ‘if you’re hard up for cash just say someone groped you!’”

“A society which has you getting on those stupidly packed trains to commute… Honestly Tokyo is finished, it’s totally overcrowded and the infrastructure is completely inadequate – amongst global capitals it has to be the worst one around.”

“So this is equality.”


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    Avatar of Chen-04
    Comment by Chen-04
    20:22 21/04/2010 # ! Quality (+1.0)

    Woman should just fate stay in the kitchen or shut the fuck up and deal with "skinship" in trains. Bitches.

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    Comment by Anonymous
    02:42 22/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Oh wow... guess living in a 3rd world country is not that bad from this point of view, especially the ones with social inequality.

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:11 22/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    How much is a large amount of weed in Japan, exactly? I heard it was nigh impossible to get (and this is reggies we're talking about here).

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:15 22/04/2010 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    Enquire with your nearest local yakuza sales representative I'm sure he/she can give you a quote.

    Comment by Anonymous
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    Comment by Firelord
    18:14 21/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Women are sad, hypocritical beings.

    They don't want men to touch them, but if they never get a man in the first place, it's just as bad.

    And the worst part is, police will instantly believe a woman when she claims to be victim of sexual assault and in most cases she'll be sent home without any charges, but a man will be laughed at if he ever claims a woman touched him unwillingly and put away for life, fired or have his life destroyed in any other way if found guilty (proven or not).

    Equality goes both ways, that's why it's called 'equality'. If it doesn't, it's not equality, but sexism.

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:56 21/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    yaoi materials = charm of protection?

    18:40 21/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Well, just tell her that you're gay and you mistook her as a man...

    Comment by Anonymous
    18:48 21/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    The solution to all this is---------- I don't know. Wearing boxing gloves? Mittens? handcuffs? Still, I did touch a girl in the train once. Enjoyed it. Enjoyed being a chikan for a while... :D

    Comment by Anonymous
    18:55 21/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    for the sake of the men... females get on ur female only carriage pleeeeeeeeeeeease

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    Comment by kitetsu
    00:30 24/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Germaine Greer is going to eat this up heartily.

    I'm no misogynyst, but as much as chavs are dumbfucks, women who take advantage of their victim complexes are no less filthier. They'll drive the real female victims to the ground, at this rate.

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    Comment by Fapping Time
    08:12 23/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    upon further thought, he should've just smacked the bitch in the face and went on with his day...

    Comment by Anonymous
    08:32 23/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    shure she would get the message then.

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:00 23/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    That's so fucked up. Why aren't they on top of things like this? They have had female only train cars for a while. Just do a full own separation so men can have their won. Can't believe they girls get away with that kinda stuff there

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    Comment by Xed
    17:13 23/08/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    I weep for japan, pretty soon you folks will have women randomly calling you out for crimes you really didn't commit just to get some cash.

    Here in the states, if a woman gets groped, chances are the person doing it will get an ass beating for it(from the woman in question) and that would be the end of it.

    Also, here in the states, we have something called due process, this wouldn't hold up in our court systems unless there was undeniable proof, and a womans words, no matter how much my GF tries to tell me, do NOT hold the ultimate truth of life and death.

    Thus it would be booted from the courts and the woman would then be sued for libel and slander if she lost.....Beautiful thing eh?

    Comment by Anonymous
    18:21 23/08/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    What about launching some nuclear weaponry and putting an end to the world? It's the easiest way of solving all the problems I can think of. I am dead serious. Death is equal for everyone.

    Comment by Anonymous
    21:07 22/11/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    Looks like someone needs to grow a pair and smack a bitch

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:52 24/07/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    man wish people stop acting as if men are the victims, yes there will be cases when they are but there will be cases they have done something. Its not like women are so evil, some people sound rather Misogynistic

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    Comment by Blue Slime
    03:59 29/01/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    Except that men CAN be victimized. That's the current climate of Misandry for you.

    "Go ahead and convict every accused man on flimsy evidence, because the feelings and problems of men aren't important. Hurting men is just fine so log as we know none of the actual offenders get away with it."

    Comment by Anonymous
    22:54 28/01/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    If Japanese men would actually man up and protect female passengers who were actually being groped instead of standing there and ignoring it this crap wouldn't happen to them. I don't have any sympathy for these men. The vast majority of Japanese don't do anything when they see an injustice then wonder why methods of protection go overboard. They need to grow some balls, stop whining, and take some responsibility for what they brought on themselves.

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    Comment by Blue Slime
    03:45 29/01/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    And just how do you propose anyone do anything about it? The other passengers almost never know anything is going on until the screaming happens.

    I don't see ANY way other passengers could "protect" would-be groping victims.

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:41 22/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    girls who lie and say they were groped for money should be gang raped by the accused' family

    Comment by Anonymous
    07:23 22/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    I wonder if he could have just resisted and went on with his day but that would have made him look bad.

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    Comment by N.R.
    05:22 22/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    "A society which has you getting on those stupidly packed trains to commute… Honestly Tokyo is finished, it’s totally overcrowded and the infrastructure is completely inadequate – amongst global capitals it has to be the worst one around.”

    0_0 ignorance is bliss. Tokyo has the best train system in the world. Efficient-wise it's a heaven for commuters. If they only knew what is going on in other countries...

    Comment by Anonymous
    04:59 22/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    You see you shouldn't back down against these women, thats how they win. No matter how embarassing it is stand your ground, you have the right to. These malicious women need to know that they can't extort people like this.

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    Comment by Anonymous
    17:29 22/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Oh.... boo-hoo poor men. You have it so damn tough don't you? Oh wait. no you don't! This is fucking laughable, to hear you wussies, complaining about how women are so "evil and ruining your life" on a website that has nothing but naked women on it as far as the eye can see? Now that's nerve! And just a bit hypocritical -- don't you think?

    Seriously, bitter much? On this website, your argument has NO CREDIBILITY what so ever. The guy probably did it, and deserves it -- END OF STORY. You don't just blame a total stranger for no damn reason. Don't the Japanese have a hugh problem in with this sort of thing on public transportation? Here's a thought, how about men own up to personal responsibility and self control. Oh, but why do that, when it's so much easier for it to be someone else's fault. Pathetic.

    Sorry NO sympathy. If you are the sort of man that need to grab ass on a train, instead of having some social skills to get a girlfriend and get laid, this would be a non-issue. And the person who wrote this silly high school hate BS should grow-up. This article shows you as a sad, desperate loser, who has to blame other for his sexual hang-ups.

    Comment by Anonymous
    11:56 26/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Alright, just take your pussy pass and leave.

    Comment by Anonymous
    06:41 23/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    or what if gravity did it.I mean groping shouldn't be considered as a single touch when the train has obviously been so rough,unless he kept touching.
    That guy only lacks socialy advanced communication(which is why otaku are hatted and unrespected mostly),he should have said forgive me woman as i wasn't carefull or strong enough when the train ride was so rough and i accidently touched you not intentionaly or what if she backed up because of the rough ride.

    Comment by Anonymous
    06:12 23/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    bla bla bla shut your mouth bitch.
    Shure he maybe did it,she should have married him on the spot hahahaha.

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:59 23/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    YES!!! Let the hate flow through you!!!!

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    Comment by Reichi
    15:22 22/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    As much as I hate to say it... I think at this point, if there's no witness, the attendants should just say it didn't happen. :/
    I don't doubt this stuff actually does happen, but after a certain point, even as a female, you just feel sorry for all the guys who are falsely accused.
    At least ignore the accusations by the high school girls!

    Comment by Anonymous
    13:28 22/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    In summary, for a male to be safe from false accusations:
    - Carry Yaoi H, BL slashfic, AND gay porn with you at all times. It's embarassing, but security.
    - Hold a DS in your boxing-glove clad hands which are handcuffed to the upper bar.
    - Wear platemail bracers with a small electrified current of 1000 volts to electrocute anyone who grabs your wrist.
    - Memorize the common numbers on all dollar/yen bills (there are numbers on them signifying their value in code, use those), then accuse them of pickpocketing if accused, and rhyme off the serial numbers that are super-common, guarenteeing that they will (90% odds) have a bill with those numbers on it. Reap the rewards of the system.

    For women to be safe from real chikan:
    -Use your own cart, it's why its there.
    -Wear platemail in general. Samurai plate works. Chikan won't go for psychopathic freaks wearing defenses.
    -Wear a hawaiian shirt and scar your right palm, bleach your hair (optional) and get a large number of tattoos, and show all these as much as possible. It may be better to actually BE in the yakuza before impersonating them, though.

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    Comment by kumesana
    23:42 30/08/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    > - Carry Yaoi H, BL slashfic, AND gay porn with you at all times. It's embarassing, but security.

    Not security at all, it relies on people (or police at least) buying the act, which they won't.

    > - Hold a DS in your boxing-glove clad hands which are handcuffed to the upper bar.

    More realistic, but in fact nobody will notice you did all this, and that won't prevent anyone to claim you grope them. When you claim you were using your DS this way, you'll be called a liar and nobody will disclaim.

    > - Wear platemail bracers with a small electrified current of 1000 volts to electrocute anyone who grabs your wrist.

    People can still claim you probably had them disabled at the time of the crime. No need to pretend you can't disable them, you can, period.

    > - Memorize the common numbers on all dollar/yen bills (there are numbers on them signifying their value in code, use those)

    Could work. Relies a lot on chance, though.

    > -Use your own cart, it's why its there.

    Sad but true.

    Comment by Anonymous
    21:54 28/01/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    - Don't forget to kick them in the Dragon Ballz.

    Comment by Anonymous
    12:55 21/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    In before this turns into another sexist 'women are always in the wrong' thread, again.

    People dont seem to realize that chikan is a crime...maybe if some fat guy started groping you you'd realize its not pleasant to have it happen to you.
    Of course when it is crowded..there is sometimes no way of knowing where the hand comes from. It'd be best if women could manage to grab the hand while it's groping so there's no mistake.

    But the girls who falsely accuse just for shits and giggles are really bad and total bitches, and deserve retribution for lives they may have ruined.

    Comment by Anonymous
    12:59 21/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    I came expected some epic guro suicide tale of a guy jumping in front of a train, and instead i get typical sexist sankaku bullshit. I feel let down.

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    Comment by Artefact

    Blame your compatriots for lapping this stuff up.

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    Comment by TheLAG
    12:59 21/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Dammit, just go to seedy clubs with thumpin base, loud music and too many people.

    Lots of stealth gropes to be done there.

    Uh, not that I've any experience with that kinda thing...

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    Comment by Miroku74
    17:08 21/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Suuurrreeee.... yeah..... I believe ya. <_<

    Comment by Anonymous
    12:48 21/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    In the article: “It’d be best to have gender segregated carriages really.” This quote reminded me of a documentary in Saudi Arabia, where men and women are pretty much separated in almost all facets of everyday life. Japan may slowly be heading in that direction.

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    Comment by Miroku74
    17:07 21/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    The only difference being the lack of loli marriages?

    Comment by Anonymous
    12:43 21/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Carry a modify air gun is your best option.
    LOL
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G02b5pfnJYk

    Comment by Anonymous
    13:12 02/07/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    loltf!! That was awesome!! :L:L:L

    Comment by Anonymous
    12:47 21/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    you're guilty until proven innocent in matters like these

    Comment by Anonymous
    13:02 21/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    It almost seems like the laws are protecting women more. Men are the ones that need protection more.

    With bithces like those you can't really blame the rapists eh?

    Comment by Anonymous
    13:04 21/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    On my last trip tokyo i was accused of groping. What happened was i guy bumped into me and i ended bumping into the girl behind me and she immediately grabbed my arm and raised it above her head yelling that she caught a groper. Well i turned and was about to yell at her but as soon as she saw that i was a foreigner her eyes widened and she let go of my arm and a apologized so quickly i could barely comprehend it. i must say there are advantages to being a foreigner in japan.

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:48 22/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    While you can use the "gaijin smash" to get out of basically anything short of murder, you also have to constantly deal with all the idiots trying to lure you into hostess clubs, overpriced bars, etc.

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    Comment by Sandalphon
    14:06 21/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    LOL I never would have thought so, wish I could have seen that. Like one anon said before me, the uncertainty of how gaijin might react must take away such boldness.

    Or it's simply be the fear of dealing with a foreigner, xenophobia and all.

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    Comment by Fyl
    12:14 02/03/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    MAYBE they figure that either a) groping = just not a gaijin thing, purely Japanese, b) extorting a gaijin might get difficult if his embassy/company/whatever decides to back him up, and/or c) no gaijin would be stupid enough to risk pissing off a full train of Japanese people cause it'd be a scary alone against the world type of situation.








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