Shonen Jump to Pirate Scum: “This is War!”

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Shonen Jump has published an editorial threatening those who illegally copy its manga on the Internet with legal or criminal sanctions, and decrying all who would “wound the souls of mangaka.”

The statement, which studiously avoids mentioning the putative effect on manga sales such illegal distribution has in favour of concentrating on the supposed devastating impact on the sensitive feelings of mangaka:

To our readers,

The Internet is now overflowing with illegal copies of manga. All of these illegal copies run counter to the wishes of mangaka. They also ignore the wishes of the creator as to how the manga should be read.

It may be done without much thought, but in reality it hurts the mangaka who pour their creative talents into these works, and it is also against the law.

When we discover such illegal copies, we discuss possible measures with the mangaka concerned and try to tackle the problem, but there are so many heartless people around that it is just impossible for us to tackle them all.

This is a plea to our readers. Illicit copies of manga harm manga culture, infringe the rights of mangaka, and most importantly of all they deeply wound the souls of mangaka. Please also understand that it is illegal.

From now on Shueisha will, in collaboration with mangaka, deal more harshly with any illegal copies circulating on the Internet.

We hope we can count on the unchanging support of all our readers in this endeavour.

The Weekly Shonen Jump Editorial Staff

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In Japan, most illicit scans of such works appear to circulate on encrypted P2P networks, traditionally a major obstacle to rightsholders seeking to battle infringer.

However, the Japanese police have been successful in reverse engineering the protocols used in developmentally stalled software like Winny and Share, even setting up a national P2P surveillance centre, so it seems Shueisha may join the ranks of companies already trying to stem the tide by having police arrest distributors and readers alike.

Whilst their concern over their copyright being violated so freely is understandable, it has to be said that major publishers have yet to make any credible effort to serve the needs of an emerging demographic of readers, both within Japan and outside it, who would rather read manga on a screen than squint at the badly printed dead tree version.

In fact their business model has remained unchanged for decades now, and confronted with plummeting sales those in the industry are concerned that manga is losing its creative edge – in the face of this Shueisha apparently instead intends to confront the wicked manga sharers in much the same way as the recording industry did a decade ago; just whether they will fail as spectacularly remains to be seen, but does seem extraordinarily likely.

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  • They won’t win this war, Nothing can stop the INTERNET.
    The INTERNET and chuck norris are buddies, to declare war on the INTERNET is to declare war on chuck norris. And we know who comes out alive and standing after that war.

  • This is a common case of greed that blinds the thinking.

    Most part of the so-called illegal stuff (Fansubbing, scanlations, etc..) creates merchandising market. Most people going to manganime expositions know their favourite animes via fansubs and scanlations. And knowing most of manganimes’s official releases in USA and Europe take months, years or even never happen, well…

    I perfectly know this since my country’s government is controlled by a RIIA-like association who keeps bitching like this all time and want to take over the internet to prevent what they call “illegal behaviour”. Ok, that happens and two years later we are on a government like China. Hooray! (Sarcasm)

  • Unless they solve the issue of serving all fans in and out Japan this will definitely remain a big problem. It also can’t help when the NA releases are not just as good as the scanlated ones….

  • Smiling Jack says:

    “Wound the souls of mangaka” I was under the impression that what mangaka wanted was for people to read their work. Scanning it onto the internet would probably triple the amount of readers and make the artist more popular, gain a bigger fanbase and probably make more money.

  • Ryuw said:
    Also, aside Shueisha's C&D message being valid and justified since its a business not charity work, about the whole "mangaka's feelings" and the such:
    This is simple, if a manga is good enough for a reader, the reader will most likely buy (Unless he can't or the localization is so slow that completing the collection would take OVER A FUCKING DECADE. Ie: Vagabond in my country) the tankoubons and therefore give credit to the mangaka.
    However, if a manga is not good enough to buy the tankoubons, that is, not good enough to spend money and read it AGAIN, then there're obviously some things the mangaka is doing WRONG, so he should stop to think a moment and wonder "Why is my manga selling less? What the fans complain about? What am i willing to do to please more the fans and increase sales?" That if the mangaka wants more money, if not then i don't see why would he be disgusted by TONS OF PEOPLE AROUND THE WORLD following his manga online.
    >so many heartless people around
    MY WORD! How dare people insult a manga industry behemoth by not buying its shit!
    It must break THE HEART of the publishers.

    Right you are. The Publishers and mangaka reealy need to STOP WASTING TIME AND STOP SUGARCOATING THE FACTS: Manga is a BUSINESS! and these people need to make a living as well. They need to get MUCH TOUGHER with their words and they need to act much tougher on the piracy as well, same goes for anime, and yes I support the involvment of the countries repective Governments to clamp down on piracy of all kinds. Let's face it sometimes THE HARD WAY is the only way! Shame on all of you pirates who don't buy the manga. I hope you enjoy your robbing of manga ka. You'll pay for it, eventually

    • So you saying that piracy is bad right? Basically that’s true. But like would you want to discuss an anime when the heat of it is all over? And how about the fans that gets to read volume one of an ongoing manga but can’t find the means to read the rest? This is the basis of scanlation and fansubbing. Unless those two are addressed this problem will forever remain.

  • Anonymous said:
    Instead of fighting the pirates join them… I read the scans of my favorite manga every week because it's just torture to wait for the official release here. For example the tome 53 of One Piece as just now been released. I waited this tome 3 months. I believe that in other countries its even worse. I also bought fullmetal alchemist, bleach, soul eater and others… If they are able to stop piracy, they should at least considered a way to deliver the chapters to the rest of the world in a fast (let say 1 week difference) for those that don't live in Japan… Because we are fans too…

    see you in prison

  • Barbarian of Gor said:
    Don't worry…

    I WON'T "Steal" Shonen Jump.

    Why oh WHY is that rag brought over and translated but not "Shonen Ace"!? In the latter the stories are much better, the art ranges from better than Shonen Jump to incredible and there's MORE of it, it's like twice as thick.

    In the past I've actually ordered a number of these to practice art with. Don't worry, no "Simmonsing" from me:-) IMO again, the only thing he deserves punishment for is LIKING "Bleach".

    what's wrong with Bleach? It's one of the greatest epics of all time.

  • Anonymous said:
    No need to shut it down. Intoduce some lengthly legalizations against encryption and "unaproved" p2p software, and you're set.
    Then, just banhammer any new idea that may be used for file sharing (ie everything).

    I agree with that 100%

  • + For “collaborating” with the mangaka. Maybe they won’t prosecute the sharers if the mangaka of the manga in question doesn’t want to turn their fans into criminals

    – The publishing companies probably have more to do with mangakas being sad (deadlines) than pirates.

  • They are like the guys from anime industry.
    They only think about making money NOW and don’t think about the future = Internet and the world outside Japan -> so they will lose very much money in the future…

  • Raw-Paradise brought this shit upon themselves. If they hadn’t been putting their damn website on a watermark on every frickin’ page of the raws (with the presence of Japanese text in said watermark acknowledging that they’re getting Japanese downloaders), in an obvious ploy to 1. Get people to come to their site 2. ??? 3. PROFIT!, then they’d probably still be there…

  • Just wait till ACTA (Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement) is passed anons; then the shit will really hit the fan

    btw Artefact you should do a review of ACTA. i dont see any article on it on your site.

  • Ah, yes, the age-old tactic of passing the blame. Two years from now they’ll claim that they “tried” and “begged” the people to not pirate, and they’ll engage the same useless tactics that have tried and failed miserably elsewhere. Then they’ll claim they “tried” and “failed” and that it is necessary to turn it into a witch-hunt of epic proportions, because they’re too damn lazy to get a clue and get with the times.

    It’s not hard, “mangaka”, just try participating in the culture for a while, figure out what makes them tick, and come up with a simple business model that takes the communities, gives them the credit they desire for distribution and such, and rewards reader loyalty in some way. Why not actually try to do your jobs, publishers, rather than assuming you are right?

  • What the hell. I mean, I like supporting the series I like when they’re actually released here, because nothing compares to the sensation of owning the damn thing. But I live in Brazil, godamnit. Only a few manga are released here, and I have no other way to read the ones I really love. So screw it, I’ll be the king of pirates!

  • BeornKonnig says:

    I buy the manga when it becomes available in South Africa i love manga and appreciat the art behind it and all the work the creater put into it but i still read it online but we also dont want manga to get to commmercial and poppular because when it becomes to poppular we are going to get manga and anime that tottaly alienates real manga fans when it becomes a fad whitch would kill the industrie could you stomach 90% of anime becoming like the tripe on tv that commes out of the USA and UK…

  • oh man! this is bad! we dont do something. all people the world will stop reading manga for eternity.

    only Japanese people only can read.

    those users from youtube not supposed to upload video on chapters on any manga.

  • Is there really no legit online delivery service for manga? With licensed anime streams like ANN, Crunchyroll and Funimation, you’d think similar services for manga would be a no brainer. Hell, I would have expected online manga delivery to come BEFORE online anime. I don’t condone stealing, but seriously, Shonen Jump needs to get on the ball and release ebook versions of their magazine.

  • I read manga online but the ones i love i buy. for example one piece, reborn GTO, yubisaki milk tea.

    I would also buy bitter virgin but no one would translate it so the only way for me to enjoy them is through the internet.

  • just like the music industry before, the higher up have yet to recognize the validity of electronic media and instead of trying new distribution methods, are just going to sue and beat down on pirating?

    pretty fail gaiz.

  • DRAMA!
    I do buy all the manga I read, but it’s only because I hate reading on the monitor.
    But hey, way to generalize all the people who download their scan with crap like heartless, or whatever.
    If it wasn’t for P2P and scanlates, most of Shonen Jump works would be widely unknown through the world.

    Also, maybe you should consider paying those “mangaka who pour their creative talents into these works” better if you’re so worried about them, huh?

    As for the profit, it’s time for you to move on and find new ways of profiting from the industry.
    P2P and file sharing won’t stop, no matter how many dramatic letters, lawsuits or whatever you try to do.

    So it’s better just to deal with it, confront reality, and open your mind.

  • “hurts the mangaka”, “heartless people”, “plea”, “deeply wound the souls of mangaka”

    YARRRRR! MaTES! I be enjoying the tears of the weak while reading my online pirated manga!

  • This people sure are retarded and its just more fun when the ones talking about big creativity and talent are fucking shonen jump.

    But they definitely need a new system, a better system.
    Perhaps they need someone like Steve Jobs, do for manga what he did to music with iTunes.

  • “Illicit copies of manga harm manga culture”

    Are you kidding me? Manga and Japanese culture are booming right now, all thanks to internet and scanslations. If it weren’t for that, people in EU and US would have no way to follow hundreds of interesting manga titles that hit us every year.

  • Huh!? you serious? i think because you can read it online that manga become famous at global , hell even i started wanting to collect a few volume of manga because i have read it online.

    Besides who can stop piracy nowdays anyway.

  • You know, I would consider to stop reading/downloading manga’s online if they would at least tell the damn truth:

    “Hey guys, you all are being jerks for hurting my wallet by downloading this. Stop it. Kthxbye”.

    I mean, c’mon now, lines like:
    “They also ignore the wishes of the creator as to how the manga should be read”

    SERIOUSLY? I mean if it really isn’t about the money, me as a mangaka would be damn please to know that there are bazillions of people reading my work all over the f***kin’ globe.

    • I agree they need to tell it like it is and so do tne anime companies. Infact they need to get together with their respective governments and get tough on the pirates. We all know this stuff is wrong. STOP WASTING TIME STOP SUGARCOATING FACTS It’s time for action!

    • Yeah, but pirating isn’t the only reason they’re losing money.

      Pirating of manga has occurred for over a decade and only now it’s a problem because the entire industry is suffering to due a bad economy.

      So Shueisha blames the pirates for the drop in sales when in reality it’s because no one wants to spend money on manga due to a bad economy and crappy stories.

  • Welcome to the 21st century Shonen Jump, adjust or die, your business model no longer means sweet fuck all.

    Newspapers, books, magazines, no one NEEDS a print copy, although some still enjoy it.

    Nothing will ever replace holding a REAL hard cover book in a good chair at night diving into a great fiction.

    But managa just isn't demanding enough on modern electronic doodads.
    They need to make themselves more available and less paper. I'm sure some kids would buy a subscription service delivered to their hand held doodad. Not all kids are cheap fucking bastards. Some are, but not all are.
    And hey, I know I WOULD buy it if it was like buying a 25 cent comic book back in my youth. I likely would not mind buying them and sharing with my son.

    They just need to get smart, or fuck off.

    • What are you saying? I don’t think that manga is that expensive… For exemple a tome of One Piece, with about 9 or 10 chapters costs around 6,18€. It’s not really that expensive. What really kills the manga waiting for a tome more then 3 month, when it has already come out of Japan 7 month to that date, is what can make someone lose interest in manga. It takes forever to arrive in our country. The other problem is that only the renown manga is commercialized outside Japan. A lot of unknown but very good manga will never be known if it weren’t for the so called pirates. The reason why mangas are so well known around our far-fetched countries is the so called pirates that rips the soul of the mangakas. If it weren’t for them most of the manga would not be known and so would not have arrive around here…

  • I’m surprised by all of these posts supporting stealing.

    If Shonen Jump wants to reduce piracy, the absolute first thing they need to do is create a vehicle for purchasing their manga online.

    For the music industry its iTunes, for the movie industry its Hulu and Netflix. Both of those are much more difficult, infrastructure-wise, than just putting up manga pages on the web.

    I would glad pay $20/month USD to read all the manga I wanted off of an official Shonen Jump manga reader site.

  • hey space could run out in rooms and it costs much to have bigger rooms and what other cheaper and larger space exist then pc space currently.
    Still they should try selling real manga books in paper and on the net so foreingers who have trouble getting manga in paper could at least buy it online.

    • Also, aside Shueisha’s C&D message being valid and justified since its a business not charity work, about the whole “mangaka’s feelings” and the such:

      This is simple, if a manga is good enough for a reader, the reader will most likely buy (Unless he can’t or the localization is so slow that completing the collection would take OVER A FUCKING DECADE. Ie: Vagabond in my country) the tankoubons and therefore give credit to the mangaka.

      However, if a manga is not good enough to buy the tankoubons, that is, not good enough to spend money and read it AGAIN, then there’re obviously some things the mangaka is doing WRONG, so he should stop to think a moment and wonder “Why is my manga selling less? What the fans complain about? What am i willing to do to please more the fans and increase sales?” That if the mangaka wants more money, if not then i don’t see why would he be disgusted by TONS OF PEOPLE AROUND THE WORLD following his manga online.

      >so many heartless people around
      MY WORD! How dare people insult a manga industry behemoth by not buying its shit!
      It must break THE HEART of the publishers.

    • The localizations of the SJ mangas i follow (One Piece, Bleach and Naruto) are quite slow -except Bleach-. ie: 6 MONTHS AND COUNTING has passed since the THIRD volume of One Piece came out.

      There is no SJ magazine localization here, but if this suddendly changed, it would STILL BE AGES BEHIND the SJ magazine in Japan and the localizations of the tankoubons so i’d still read the sj scans.

  • “Pour their creative talents into these works” WHAT A LOAD OF FUCKING BULLSHIT!
    The only god damn things these shounen “manga-ka’s” are doing is rehashing and rehashing. Only decent thing in SJ is Gintama. People complain about moe, but this is the shit destroying manga & anime. Creativity my ass!

      • Than the world goverment would be Seishua…
        The marines would be all those that are involved in fighting the piracy…
        The scandatores would be the pirates…

        After the death of raw-paradise.com (a.k.a) Whitebear) the world is in turmoil. The marines may have won this battle, but the war ain’t over… And the age of romance continues…

  • Instead of fighting the pirates join them… I read the scans of my favorite manga every week because it’s just torture to wait for the official release here. For example the tome 53 of One Piece as just now been released. I waited this tome 3 months. I believe that in other countries its even worse. I also bought fullmetal alchemist, bleach, soul eater and others… If they are able to stop piracy, they should at least considered a way to deliver the chapters to the rest of the world in a fast (let say 1 week difference) for those that don’t live in Japan… Because we are fans too…

  • Lets be realistic, most people will not want to buy e-manga online when they can get it for free. Also, if you can read the whole series online for free, only a small minority would then go and buy the books.

    But it is futile of the Japanese publishers to try and stop online sharing. Look at western music/film industry and how much they lost through online sharing.

  • the problem here is that in my country there isnt any publisher that releases manga so if i want to read it i have to import and i dont want to pay a fortune just so i could read a couple of chapters, well people wont stop releasing the most well known mangas but some series will be affected because of the raws

    • now is the best time to monetize it. we are hooked. if they turn us away when we want to buy the manga online, it’s like slapping your guests at the door and chasing them away or worse jailing them.

  • i stalked tite_kubo’s twitter and found the tweet: someone translate please? http://twitter.com/tite_kubo

    なんか外国から「BLEACH400話おめでとうございます!」みたいなコメントが大量に来てて、最初ちょっとお気に入りに入れちゃったんだけど、よく考えたらまだ400話の載ったジャンプって発売してないんだよね。祝う気持ちはありがたいけど、どうしたもんだか。

    – er some foreign idiot texted it is it?

    • Japanese to English translation
      Something foreign “BLEACH400 Congratulations to me!” Has come to like a lot, but I lost it a bit into the first favorite, I’m not released yet I think about jumping 400 stories appeared. But I feel grateful to celebrate, or if I had an attack.

    • it says:

      I got tons of comments that appeared to be congratulating me on my 400th chapter. I put the comments in my favorites list, but then after I thought about it for a sec I realized that chapter 400 had yet to be released in Jump yet. I’m glad they’re being appreciative and all but, wtf?

    • The stupid thing is is that you could do the same for any other event. You could tell your mom “happy 50th birthday!” when she’s only 49. Whoop-dee-fucking-doo, you congratulated someone for something you knew was happening. Same shit for a foreigner saying “Congratulations on chapter 400!” before the issue of Jump with it was even out which is what the comment is about. Unless Bleach somehow got magically cancelled inbetween chapters 399 and 400 (and in the middle of yet another eternity long shounen manga fight) you knew 400 was going to come out.

  • It is a shame that they even need to make a statement like this.

    Sympathetic though I am, I must admit, there would probably be less piracy if translated versions of Shonen Jump were published in western territories – and I don’t mean other mags just CALLED Shonen Jump, I mean the actual Japanese magazine localised, perhaps a month behind the original Japanese release.

  • Personally, I prefer paper over screen any day. Saves my eye and saves my electricity bill, not to mention it’ll be one extra thing I could do during a black out instead of one less. Only negative factor here is the price post import and currency conversion, >30-50 bucks per 180 page tankoubon is just ridiculous…

  • ok here is how I see this.

    1) i would never know of manga without interent, anime was on sci-fi way way back and i knew of it that way.
    2) manga J is on volume 41, manga J in A is only on volume 5 and a new volume will be out in 7 months, but online i get faster and largely better translations online.
    3) in the old days manga cost almost 40$ a volume because it was sold at 3-4$ a chapter. and even now, it costs 10-20$ and the majority of manga in japan costs 5$ a volume, with bigger ones barely reaching 3.50$
    4) manga in america at least can have shit translations, as in negima vol 1-3 where thousand master was called western master.
    from a good online group, shit like that would be fixed in a V2 but cant do that online.

    and at the person who said a $ a chapter? FUCK NO, jump is 3$ for what, 10-15 mangas? it should be cents.

    and also, THE SAME AS A PRINT COPY. again FUCK NO, it should be this way

    (print coppy) – (material cost) + (bandwidth to distribute online [probably less than .0001 cent a page]) = new cost of manga

  • if i collect all the manga that i like i would needed big hall. And im my country there aren’t many manga to bay more or less there aren’t any shop where to bay it. And if there are some… well it would be from last century or bad translation.

    • Sadly, this is true. I prefer my online manga to the ones I bought out of solidarity anytime. They are just superior in any imaginable way.

      Also, it’s kind of awkward to fap/eat while reading manga, since you need at least one hand to hold the fucking book. So thanks, but no thanks. Solidarity is the only reason I buy, and since I boycott everyone opposing piracy, there are now a few manga I won’t buy anymore.

      Maybe it is time to burn some manga, making snapshots of it and telling the interwebz about it. But I’m a lazy bastard.

  • They should get with the times already and release their titles digitally. People might be more compelled to check out more manga in the the cellphone; a device most people in Japan have. Not saying they’re in the wrong, but it hardly helps if they’re still trying to sell huge books in a country where space is more valuable than your soul; just saying.

    I guess they’re also against scanlation and I’m all for licensed manga, but licensed doesn’t mean good quality. I’ve encountered too many titles where there was no QC, translation and text placement was poor and the most low quality paper and ink were used (and don’t get me started with the censoring, toned down dialogues and changed names). If they think readers are gonna invest on shit they’re sadly mistaken.

    Also, thanks to scanlation I know about more titles that I like and actually buy the stuff, something I rarely did and do.

  • what choice do foreigners have? We don’t get the goods as fast as the countrymen of the ones who made it now, do we? And besides, Shonen Jump isn’t even being sold in the philippines(legally)..

  • Ghostchase says:

    “but there are so many heartless people around” Yeah so many heartless people that want to enjoy Japanese only manga as its released. Down with fascist Shonen Jump! PIRATE POWER!

  • I don’t get it, the way that manga are selling in Japan is good enough already. Now it is going down, but that doesn’t mean the sales should always be high, moderate sales should be efficient enough, maybe they should publish less copies. I mean hundreds of thousand of copies per week isn’t good enough then I just don’t know how much is really good anymore.

  • “They also ignore the wishes of the creator as to how the manga should be read.”

    So… the creator wishes for his manga to be read on a magazine with bad paper packed with tons of publicity? Shouldn’t it be something like just “read it however you want, but give me money”?

  • why can’t they distribute their content online? i’ll buy a chapter for a dollar a week and $6 for a tankobun – same as the print version of a tankobun – transtalated ofcourse – and they don’t have to kill trees and i can have a zip of it forever?

    /i’ll dream on D:

  • The old man at the start of the first hundred episodes of one piece always said:

    “Inherited will…the dreams of the age and of the people.These are things that cannot be stopped.As long as people seek freedom,these things will never cease to be!”

    Imma gonna be the pirate king!!!!

  • This wouldn’t even have been brought into light, if it wasn’t for the bleach-tards. Who congratulated Kubo Tite on his twitter of his 400th Bleach chapter before it was even released in Japan.

  • Well, maybe if they stopped drawing the same shit all the time, I’d be more inclined to buy it. Seriously, enough with all the formulaic sports/high school/fighting manga. Think up something new for a change.

    Oh, that’s right. They only serialize smart ones in the monthlies.

  • Obviously, only the people who have access to buying Jump should be considered.

    Most of you (except Bakuman fans) fail to realize that mangaka only live in Jump by the votes and with less people buying, less vote, less chance they get the full demographic to vote, so that every genre would survive and not more kid-based genres make it instead due to overall no-access to illegal scans. You may think this exaggeration, but Jump is easily the most competitive in the manga world and hardest to succeed in. They need all the help they can get to survive.

    Maybe it won’t make a noticeable dent, but to the mangakas of Jump, every single vote counts.

  • I would want to aske the publisher, who wrote this, if they would rise the wages of the mangakas if the piratism would stop? Why would I want to buy the manga if it has no impact on the paycheck of the artist itself, and is it really art when mangakas are forced to bend to the tighter deadlines and demands about the contents by the publishers? I would gladly wait as twice as long for my favourite comic, if it would mean that it would be better, or if it would mean that the artist would be granted the rest he/she is entiled for the hard work (that would eventually increase the quality of the comic due the relif of the stress)

    And do they really think we want to read comics that eventually become cheap ragonball clones? I mean I haven’t read Bleach with much of an interest since they left to Hueco Mundo, and my GF has been reading the “eternal battle” against TRHREE FUCKING SHINIGAMI for what? Two years? Where’s the small sketch pages with cute notations of the chapter nowdays? Where’s the jokes about Ishida’s clothes? Where’s the point anymore? And Naruto? From what I’ve heard, it’s just a talking heads nowdays (imbend the strip of Calvin and Hobbes here).

  • add a water mark on the page, so that when someone scan or photocopy them, the watermark will cover the whole page (or the text at the very least).

    this is used in many Certificates, it look normal to readers, but if scanned or photocopied, it have an clear “PHOTOCOPY” text on it.

    this is more expensive then the normal productions, but considering how much it will cut down on piracy, it might be worth it.

  • Barbarian of Gor says:

    Don’t worry…

    I WON’T “Steal” Shonen Jump.

    Why oh WHY is that rag brought over and translated but not “Shonen Ace”!? In the latter the stories are much better, the art ranges from better than Shonen Jump to incredible and there’s MORE of it, it’s like twice as thick.

    In the past I’ve actually ordered a number of these to practice art with. Don’t worry, no “Simmonsing” from me:-) IMO again, the only thing he deserves punishment for is LIKING “Bleach”.

  • Well, this is just their way of saying that they are just losing their profits.

    *uses mangakas as excuses*

    Though in all actuality, defending the mangakas is just utter crap, since the mangakas are paid pathetically and that the cost of which the manga / magazine is sold off the shelves easily covers what they paid the mangakas.

    Another similar example is the music industry in Japan. As if the artist really earns from the sales since the one who earns is the agency and the agents / managers.

    Oh well, corporations just wanting to earn their big fat piece of the pie doing nothing while slaving those under them as usual.

    nvsds

  • They need to get over it.
    90% of the drop in sales is due to the economy vs piracy.
    Finding something online often is the only way some people outside Japan may get exposed to a manga.
    Besides real fans of a series do end up buying the dead tree version just to have it on their shelf.

        • Yeah right, “stealing”. “Counterfeiting” would be more accurate than “stealing” since the mangaka still *have* their products. It just reminded me this : http://28.media.tumblr.com/2DghMYNcTm9eseo8joBqRrCwo1_500.jpg

          Thus said, if your economic plan consists in only blaming some people without changing your behaviour, *YOU* are killing your economy yourself.
          From an economic point of view, getting the product faster and cheaper, without any problem, is a far better choice than waiting (more than 1 year sometimes) for a, sometimes inaccurate, translation.

          And FYI, the economy was almost completely killed by people who thought they could control it.

  • “it has to be said that major publishers have yet to make any credible effort to serve the needs of an emerging demographic of readers, both within Japan and outside it, who would rather read manga on a screen than squint at the badly printed dead tree version.”

    I fall into this demographic. I find it much more comfortable to read manga on my computer than to read it normally, especially when it’s h-manga (I don’t wanna focus on keeping the pages open while I’m trying to fap and I can have multiple pages open at the same time while on the computer).

  • “hurts the mangaka”, “heartless people”, “plea”, “deeply wound the souls of mangaka”

    So much sensationalism and sophisms… some of them are so obvious, it makes me take this thing not seriously at all.

    • Not to mention the raping they do by changing names, being lazy slobs, practically no QCing, horrible typesetting, censoring shit, toning down dialogues…

      I’m sorry but some publications don’t deserve the readers money unless they put their freaking act together..

      • The fact that MOST fan translator “vulgarize” and “denature” the manga for their public (look! mar is sooooo mature!) isn’t a problem it seems…
        As long as people use the good ol’ Japanese namae!

        *translator note:namae mean name*

        they also don’t deserve the credits most people give them,they are good if you want a peak of the next chapter,but GREATLY inferior in most case.

        • The only credit they might have is giving us the latest stuff or titles that will never get licensed or never heard about yet in other language than moonrunes. Even you can admit that much, low quality as their work might be.

          Who the hell is talking about fan translators anyway? they can be as shitty as they like. I’m talking about publishing companies who make a profit out of licensed mangas who do a very shitty job and expect people to pay 10 bucks for poor quality stinking out of every corner of the book.

    • Elle Lowel says:

      That is true, it took me a whole year and a half to finally buy the final chapter of Samurai Girl: Real Bout High School, and this was before I learned about online manga and not having to wait. Now I just buy the manga I like cause I wanna keep it as a memorabilia.

    • If official translations retained some words such as oniichan or oneechan or so on that simply don’t sound as good when used in english, they also had reasonable online digital purchase options for those in foreign countries, not to mention don’t kill it with censorship of any kind (I want my loli raw please), and a reasonable release speed I would have no trouble paying.

      My main gripe though is that you would almost certainly have to register at many separate sites to get all of your manga. If companies could agree going through a single retailer and met those requirements I’d love to put some cash towards my favorite authors.

      • “If official translations retained some words such as oniichan or oneechan or so on that simply don’t sound as good when used in english”

        This is one of the biggest reasons why I prefer fan translations (unfortunately some scanlation groups still prefer to translate those words instead of leaving them in). When a character calls someone “Onii-chan” then I imagine it being said by a Japanese person. If that gets translated though and the character calls him “Big Brother” instead, I’ll imagine it being said by an American and that just sounds awkward to me since I’ve never heard an American actually address their siblings like that.

        Plus there are a lot of different ways to call someone “big brother” or “big sister” in Japanese. Which one a character uses when addressing someone helps show how they view that person but all of that gets lost in translation.