PlayStation Move “Laggy Wiimote Rip Off”
- Categories: Games, News
- Date: Mar 12, 2010 00:36 JST
- Tags: Comparison, Controllers, Marketing, Nintendo, PS3, Sony, Video Gallery, Wii
Sony’s PS3 motion controller, officially dubbed PlayStation Move, is to be available this autumn for about $100.
Previously it has garnered much attention both for its sex toy styling and its obvious similarity to the Wiimote, but alpha play-testing now reveals it also possesses the rather more dubious distinction of being “discernibly inferior” to the Wii in terms of lag and accuracy.
Sony’s spiel:
The controller in action:
Reportedly Sony has 36 companies signed up to produce compatible games.
A number of titles have already been announced:
From a media hands-on:
• We hate to say this about “pre-alpha” software, but we’re feeling lag. An on-rails shooter we tried out, dubbed The Shoot, was discernibly inferior to shooting experiences we’ve had on the Wii, both in precision and refresh rate of the aiming cursor.
• The gladiator game is about as fun as it looks.
Unfortunately, while it’s less of a defined experience than something like the sword game on Wii Sports Resort, you’re still working through a library of sensed, pre-defined actions instead of a true 1:1 fighting game with simulated physics.
Not that it isn’t possible with PlayStation Move, just that it’s not this.
• The lightness of the controllers means we might be feeling less of that Wiimote fatigue, always a good thing! There’s an aspect of the controller that feels a little cheap, but at the same time we wouldn’t call it fragile.
• As far as we can tell, the control scheme for Socom 4 is quite similar to dual-controller shooter setups on the Wii, with the camera moving based on your aiming cursor hitting the edge. It’s hard to see this as the preferred hardcore setup, but we’re told it’s configurable, so we’ll try and see what else is on offer.
For Sony to announce its new product with such flaws so evident seems an almost improbably elementary marketing blunder.
Sony returns the favour?
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Microsoft natal is a rip off of eye toy.Nuff' said.
Lol enjoy your shovelware ps3 fags.
thanks. i will. i really like the blue bulb. it'd be fun to play with in the dark.
Remember the last time Sony came up with something original?
Oh wait.
i heard from many articles of people who tried the move, that its very precise, a lot more precise than the wii, with a much better tracking on the z-axis. the starter pack that includes an eyetoy and move controller is going to be LESS than $100 according to sony, which i think is pretty good considering that the eyetoy itself is a standalone product too(your getting project natal and the wii motion plus on the ps3 at the same time!). i don't know why sankaku decided to cover this big news in a way that makes this product seem bad.
Nintendo copies Sony? The analog stick, the rumble pack, trigger buttons, HELLO!
Laggy? Since when?
"• The lightness of the controllers means we might be feeling less of that Wiimote fatigue, always a good thing! "
There are people who found the Wiimote heavy?
yeah the same lazy blocks who claim analog is better than motion controls for FPS.
With wiimote/psm inputlag and precision ... I agree ... Analogs are a lot better .
Come ON, where's the "Stop the Presses!" pull chain?
Really, take note on the "Samba mi Amigo" game, the Dreamcast controllers were actually more accurate than the Wii controllers. It's a problem since the game was ported and some levels are much harder due to that, or so I've heard.
And it does look like a "Sex Toy"...
Really, let's stop ragging on Nick Simmons-
THIS is the real "Obscene Rip-off"...
1. It LOOKS obscene.
2. It probably has mechanical/response problems that software can't correct due to cheapness. (in manufacture, I doubt price)
3. It's Fugly.
By contrast, when the Nick Simmons thing started I looked up both his comic and "Bleach". While I certainly wouldn't give it an "Eisner Award" at least it's readable. I just couldn't get into "Bleach" at all and I do like Manga a lot.
Are people really surprised by the fact Sony are ripping off Nintendo? Or rather, taking someone elses idea and trying to improve upon it? With all the money the Wii has made this was always an inevitability.
Also: This sort of thing happens ALL THE TIME. Anyone on here ever played an RPG (of any kind) on a games console? That would never have happened if not for somebody saying "Hey, this Dungeons and Dragons stuff, wouldn't it be cool if it were on a computer?"
Half of all the great inventions in the world are due to a process of theft and one-upmanship. If people weren't allowed to use others ideas we'd only have one brand of television, and we certainly wouldn't yet have flat screens, HD or 3D. Because why should "Television Company" try to improve a product if they have no competition?
Just because its a game company doing it now doesn't make it wrong. Nintendo should feel proud that they're creation has forced its competitors to spend millions trying to play catch up and develop a way to knock the Wii off its 'innovation' perch.
And I wonder, when next-gen rolls around and Nintendo's new console outputs in HD, will people be saying "OMG it uses HD! Nintendo are ripping off Sony and MS?"
All I can say is that it's about time. Who cares if Sony is copying the idea? Considering how much more the PS3 is than the Wii this little device could turn out to be amazing.
Also if you consider that about 95% of Wii games suck (IMHO) I quite welcome the prospect of a different console trying to improve on the concept.
By the way ... I am pretty sure that the Wii-mote was laggy in pre-alpha testing as well ...
Copy Nintendo....???
Neverrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.....
If it has bumble pack then I guess it could be considered a sex toy? isn't the normal PS Controleer already a sex toy?
If anything the Classic Controller for Wii, is a copy of the SNES controller + the dual sticks.
is SNES and wii classic controller a copy??
YOU FOOL!!!!!
It's an EVOLUTION!!! SNES and Wii classic controller is EVOLUTION BOTH MAED BY NINTENDO YOU FOOL FAG TROLL!
That's the same company smarty.
We've had an Arc (when the hardware was still codenamed that) in our studio for months, and the demos were pretty impressive. Really accurate and no noticeable lag.
SankakuComplex should really stop writing bullshit like this.
Just because a controller is colored black doesn't mean it's copying Sony. If you're going to play that game then let's go back the the first generation and look at Pong. To my knowledge it was the first console to have black controllers. Besides, it's not like you can copyright a controller layout.
Nintendo copies Sony? Didn't you noticed thats the SNES controller dyed in black?
2010? why wait till then when we have the wii now? oh and (cough) RIPOFF!
Man,I love Sony...
Sony's current current controller can trace it's roots back to the original Playstation's controller, which has a near identical layout to an SNES controller. Back in the days of the FF and Chrono Trigger re-releases on the PS1 I transplanted a PS1 controller board into an SNES controller shell and only had to modify the locations of the start and select buttons by a fraction of an inch to make it work. They were that similar.
If you make a controller it will look like a controller. Quite hard to come up with new ideas since our hands are the same shaped for each console.
Think about mouse, keyboard, joystick, touchpad, trackball. When somebody comes up with a successful design, most likely will be a copy of that or more.
I just want to say i don't care if different products use the same controller design if that one is good.
U PEOPLE ARE FUCKING STUPID THIS THIS IS FUCKING AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!
o.0 2 glowing balls of fire!?
that was just a phallic lightbulb with a handle rather than controller.
Who the fuck plays the Wii anymore?
Yea? I call bullshit. Nothing more then fanboy-ism.
The lag has been noticed with some not yet complete games. But others are doing fine. I'm not a Sony fanboy, but I'm fair.
Sankaku is good for news about Japan and idols, but on other subjects it comes pretty close to trolling. It incites console wars and fanboyism all the time. This is just another example. I hope most people that visit this site also look for other sources.
But as I said, still a good site for other stuff. Mainly galeries. They're the best thing here.
nintendo did not copy sony's controller. sony's controller was copied from one of the first nintendo consoles, dont remember which one right now, also the wii controller supposedly copied from sony is almost the same as the gamecube controller.
If people knew what Alpha is in testing, they wouldn't complain about it yet as there is a 100% chance any electronic device or video game will pretty much be bad in alpha.
The PlayStation Controller (the original) was a SNES/SFC pad with prongs and two extra shoulder buttons. Sony copied the classic SNES controller first.
Then they added analog sticks, which the Nintendo 64 had one of first. Then they put in Rumble which Nintendo 64 had first.
The thing Nintendo copied in their Classic Controller was the placement of the two analog sticks.
Not according to this hardcore Sony fanboy.
They must be copied from vibrators at first.
its odviusly a big wiimote ripoff so as far as the lag goes it will probably have alot to do with what game your playing just like the wiimote
Somebody should drop the equivalent of Hiroshima's A-bomb over the current videogame console market, both the home and portable varieties, in order for it to resurface in a less retarded and insulting form already.
But hey, nowadays there's many people who use Facebook and Twitter, so why not altogether wipe them all out? lol
wii pownd :D one more reason to buy a ps3
i had a wii and i sold it coz it was fucked shit :)
"PlayStation Move"...So it really is a dildo.
This is not at all what Kotaku had to say about this new product (my most trusted game source). This just seems like Nintendo fans hating on something else.
KOTAKU..... TRUSTED....OK, Unbiased well...about that.
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C'mon if you dont feel they are biased you probably are a fanboy and feel just at home (get it .. HOME...LOL sux I know)
Kotaku, the home of getting things wrong.
They didn't even remember FFXIII versus, let alone within the psmove article itself they keep correcting claims on the wii-mote they never thought to fact check first. Yeah, Kotaku's great if you don't know anything.
You do realize Kotaku is rarely if ever right?
They're still wondering if a FF XIII sequel will be made while most are already watching the TRAILER for versus.
They couldn't even get their own facts straight about the Z-plane the wii-mote offers let alone what else it can do. Refuted within the very same article. Kotaku trusted? Only to the misinformed.
More TV sets shattering coming soon...
Hey, as long as they get it more accurate within 3 years it's par for the course right?
I mean, the Wii without the motion plus is laggy, and odds are pretty good this will be able to do that without costing me extra money
I was actually hearing the exact opposite about the Playstation Move on other sites, that it wasn't laggy and was quite precise...well, you hear everything on the internet, better to wait until it's more polished before judgment right?
So, they're making a comparison between pre-alpha tech demos with the PS3 mote with finished, retail games on the Wii using Motion Plus?
Makes perfect sense.
Yeah except when wii was in these stages it was already perfected.
Sony was like was like, wait lets make a remote motion control too! :D
Actually Sony was developing something like this for years, and years before then Sega. The original patent for Sony's idea on this has a PS2 pictured on it as well.
The wiimote is pretty laggy & the refresh rate isn't that good either, it's just that it's smoothered low level enough in the program so that the developpers may not detect it.
I mean take a low DPI mouse and play a fps with "smooth mouse" activated, it will be fluid display but a bit unreactive depending on the mouse's DPI and sensivty settings.
Also, the eye-toy is making the capture while in wiimotes, the camera for mocap is IN the wiimote itself, meaning if it's cheap from the begning you can't upgrade it...
I bet if you set the eye toy to a lower resolution capture (picture size) and black & white you can get a faster & more fluid mocap from it. I don't think you don't need to be extremly precise, just fast and reactive. In the end it's probably a matter of tweaking and optimization like always. Anyway it's all speculation, a long post just to say that we can't take some alpha testing for definite truth.
The wiimote is pretty laggy & the refresh rate isn't that good either, it's just that it's smoothered low level enough in the program so that the developpers may not detect it.
I mean take a low DPI mouse and play a fps with "smooth mouse" activated, it will be fluid display but a bit unreactive depending on the mouse's DPI and sensivty settings.
Also, the eye-toy is making the capture while in wiimotes, the camera for mocap is IN the wiimote itself, meaning if it's cheap from the begning you can't upgrade it...
I bet if you set the eye toy to a lower resolution capture (piceture size) and black & white you can get a faster & more fluid mocap from it. you don't need to be exptremly precise, just fast and reactive. In the end it's probably a matter of tweaking and optimization like always. Anyway it's all speculation, a long post just to say that we can't take some alpha testing for definite truth.
Some say movement is perfect, others say its laggy... why you like complaining so much? You want a complain? ok, at least this motion sensor is what wiimote should be from the beggining, no wiimotePLUS or that kind of things...
The lag most like has to deal with the game interfacing with the controller, poor programming, or just any of the current issues that console gaming has been plagued with. This really says nothing for the actual quality of the controller.
lol nintendo copies sony?! if you dont remember, sony's controller was in fact modelled after the Super NES controller.
Upcoming games look like real blockbusters.
in the image of nintendo copies sony, we have to remember that sony copied the analog stick first
Let's not forget the SNES controller too.
The d-pad was also invented by Nintendo and copied by an awful lot of other companies.
It's a SONY!
You're doing it wrong!
It's a S*NY!
It's a FAIL!
The only thing that this controller needs to sell is a rumble feature......
There isn't THAT much similarities. And if Sony were to change the button layout or shape, then it would just simply make the remote harder to use. The PS3mote was an obvious, blatant ripoff. This is not.
That said, it is still a Fail.
It's an Alpha... what did you expect?
Sorry but this IS a blatant ripoff. That said Nintendo is still one up on Sony thanks to the obviously copied controller featured in the article and the fact that the PS3 was the first to sport a motion sensitive controller anyways.
Since Sega was the first one with this idea and even had a canceled game developed for it I'd say both Sony and Nintendo are ripping people off.
innovation v. imitation.
are they not just two sides of the same coin?
even if it is a ripoff if it performs well enough then ppl will buy it. windows is by no means the best os yet it out hustled all the other better established os.
We all saw this coming miles away...
Yep, Sony hasn't had an original idea in controllers.
Oh well, it's good for a laugh at least. Now, I wonder how Microsofts Natal will do...
I like how people are judging these demos when natal is gonna be even more of a lag-fest. natal has been nothing but infomercials and paid japanese devs with no actual products.
Actually, the thing isn't laggy, it takes it less than one frame to recognize the movement and put it in. It's just a few games are laggy, like the motion fighter. SOCOM and that sports game were not laggy. This is just uninformed negative press. Also, it's not $100, they don't have a confirmed price, they only know it'll be less than that. So it's a possibility it'll be $80.
99.99 is less than a hundred too.
The sex toy?
My thought exactly, it looks like a remote vibrator and the other one is obvious.
And Sony originally copied the Nintendo remote. http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3183/2683347454_fab291ba65.jpg
the PS3 MOVE is a 100 dollars with PS3 and a game included. Hate it when sankaku twist the facts.
I want one of those. Bill me!
Hm you're right. And they are both wireless too. Great, eats even more batteries than Wii.
NATAL HENTAI!!!!
be prepared for next gen H-game
The other one is for illuminating the inside of.
That "obvious one" might come in different colours to suite your fetish theme;
I feel pinky and purple-ish today... XD
why is the control on the right the only one with a strap ? O_o"
A DILDO for lolis!
a didlo for anyone BUT lolis, you fool.
those "puritans" at Sony wouldn't dare put lolis anywhere near their products...
2002 called and it wants it's Playstation based REZ Trance vibrator back:
http://www.gamegirladvance.com/archives/2002/10/26/sex_in_games_rezvibrator.html
Is the blue ball on top really necessary? It looks like it came out of a mo-cap suit.
Sony claims it's for the Eye Toy to keep track of your motions, the colours were chosen to avoid colours that might be in the room, so you would have to switch those balls accordingly. Makes me wonder what happens if you're a bit too close to the camera and you move too high above from it's view?
Either way, I still think they should have called it "The Fairy Wand" because of those glowing balls.
It lets you store electricity with which to taze your friends.
Obviously it's there so that you won't mistake it with your dildo.
It probably has some sort of mo-cap suit technology in it.
Is anything ever really necessary in gaming? In any case the orb on the front of the controller acts...well I'll just paste some info.
"It uses a three-axis gyroscope, a three-axis accelerometer, coloured sphere and a terrestrial magnetic field sensor to pin-point the location of the Move, which allows it to easily track any kind of movement the player makes, whether it be slow or fast, small or sweeping.
The Subcontroller also features a full-fledged motion sensor, just like the Move wand itself, unlike the Wii Remote Nunchuk's gyroscope which is fairly primitive in comparison."
In another Kotaku article, they said that it perceives depth at greater accuracy than the wii, the the orbs color changes depending on light in the room (?), and that pointing off screen doesn't cause the remote to lose contact with the system/eye toy. Unlike with the Wii, where you always have to point at a certain area.
I do think it's funny how EVERYONE seems to like calling this a ripoff, or a failure, when they haven't even tried it yet, or basing it off their biased opinions. Really, just how else would motion control be done for Gaming? You either get something like Natal (which is a brilliant CONCEPT imo) or something like...I dunno, two small motion receptors for each hand. So the design is similar to the Wii, sure....but not the components and technical structure. Geez.
Cars are cars on the outside, but some have bad transmissions, others have bad engines.
in light in the ball is to make the dam controller easily spotable with the PS3 eye period
this^
The ball is necessary but the color changes depending on the background to give more contrast.
The ball of SPIRIT!!!!
The glowing ball of SPIRIT!!!
KaaaaameeeeeEEHAAAAAMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE HAAAAAAAAAA
Does it take AAA batteries? or it works with mana?
The ball of charging your daily KAMEHAMEHA!!!
It charges the same way the normal controllers do, so no extra batteries needed. A nice plus considering how many AA's a wiimote burns through.