Science: Religious People are Stupid, Leftists More Intelligent

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Higher intelligence causes people to be left wing and reject religion as they are more highly evolved, science says. They are even less prone to adultery.

Satoshi Kanazawa, an evolutionary psychologist at the London School of Economics, holds that humans more inclined to adopt “non-traditional” behaviours are more intelligent than mere traditionals. These non-traditional behaviours yield a higher chance of survival in a rapidly changing environment.

In social evolutionary terms, non-traditional behaviour includes atheism, “liberal” political leanings and (male) monogamy, he asserts.

He claims the results of the “National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health,” which has been observing a group of subjects since 1994, support his theories.

This study found that teenage subjects who did better in IQ tests tended to have “newer” patterns of behaviour when tested 7 years later – they described themselves as “very liberal” and “not at all religious” more often, as opposed to the religious and conservative, who appeared to have lower IQs.

The difference was apparently statistically significant, but not enormous, at 11 points. It is not clear if they adjusted for the noted tendency of younger adults to be more left-leaning than older adults, but the results are apparently robust enough to survive publication in a peer-reviewed journal, albeit one for psychologists.

With such incendiary conclusions, the crucial scientific admonition that correlation does not equate to causation will doubtless be drowned out amidst glib attempts by leftists and the godless to portray their beliefs as the natural consequence of higher intelligence.

Naturally, that academics and scientists tend overwhelmingly to be left wing and irreligious has nothing to do with these scholarly and impartial scientific conclusions.

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  • Just as most scientists know little religion or hell even any philosophy , so do most religious folks know little science . I would say they both have issues of ignorance . Stay off the turf if you know nothing about it . Both of them are increasingly stupid , intelligence is a rarity in the world it’s never been a bias to anyone in particular .

    Time for a little logic , if someone is religious are they by necessity intelligent ? No . If someone is non-religious are they by necessity intelligent ? No . You can put anyone particular person in the equation the answer will never be Yes .

    On a side note throughout most of science and religion’s history the both have gone together more than apart , so it’s weird to see these lines being drawn .

  • Anonymous says:

    I rather live as if there is a God and in the end find out that there isn’t one, than to live as if there isn’t a God, and later find out I was wrong…

    And hopefully when Judgement day comes, I’ll be near people like mohammad, hitler or obama, and watch them get pwned by the mighty hand of God.

  • Atheist = i am cool and intelligent, except when my medic say: you have a terminal disease…. Oh my god
    Agnostic = Iam not much cool but i admit who i exist, and neo, and maybe the manpigbear, except god.
    Religious freack = God…oh my god…
    Otakuism = Haruhi, goku, ichigo, naruto, and miku are the only gods of this world.
    Haruhiuism = Haruhi is the only god, stupids otakuisms.

  • “Naturally, that academics and scientists tend overwhelmingly to be left wing and irreligious has nothing to do with these scholarly and impartial scientific conclusions.”

    Lol. Using sarcasm on a circular idea. Of course academics and scientists are left wing and irreligious. They are the ones making the conclusion, therefore, they obviously meet the criteria they are talking about, since they must be greater than or equal to the intelligence of those they are studying.

    Morons.

  • I’m religious (european calvinist to be exact), so I believe in God, in heaven and that, but ofc. regarding evolution and creation I accept scientific methods, except thinking the whole starter and the one ensuring the path, the Primum movens, was something what we refer to as God.

    So yeah, I have much agnostic signs.

    I think every religious person in the world follows the same supremity, whether we refer to it as the one Lord, as Mother Nature etc.
    I heavily believe there simply HAS TO BE something that made this all and works behind. Well, it may not be sentient as we think about it in the classical beliefes.

    Except fanatism, I don’t think this has much to do with intelligence, a lot of atheist people are very dumb, and many religious folk are highly intelligent (same is true backwards ofc!), so this is nonsense.

    So politics:

    When will people realize all this right-winged and left-winged stuff is 90% empty words and losgans, and thanks to human nature it is only about getting into power, harass funds and hedge their lever?

    Sure, the ways are quite different, but the result is usually very close.

    oh playing with words.

  • You are all morons but it was fun to read trough all this bullshit. To some degree when it just was too full of hate to other people. Yes, you’re morons and idiots, especially those who try to look like they’re the smartest and tell some bullshit about Socrates and other names they heard but don’t really know what they were even talking about or having read about 1% of what wast to be read and thinking that they are smarter than 5000 years of humanity. LOL.
    You guys still don’t get it. You’re all morons.
    Only “Common sense” said something i agree with.

    BTW, My IQ is 135 and I’m probably an atheist but i don’t try to prove what I’m not sure of myself to other moron who is also too full of himself.

    That’s all i have to say.

    Bye

    • Perhaps some of them were. Their leader was very much a catholic though. Your point?

      I mean, how many non-religious people would speak like this:

      [quote]From “Mein Kampf”:

      [i]Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord[/i][/quote]

  • Liberals are not leftits, do you heard of “neoliberalism”? And i’m not a fukken leftitst and i i’m not religious nor believe in god. And i don’t believe the commies (real commies) in my place are more intelligent than me.

    • Hate to tell you this, but left and liberal are the same thing, it means people who think that socialism to a degree is not a bad thing and a few other things that I won’t go into detail with here.

  • Common Sense says:

    If the comment comes from non-religious person, it will be logical, straightforward, and most likely offensive towards those that are religious.

    If the comment comes from a religious person, it will be an answer that usual follows the “My belief in -religion- is unexplainable, but true” kind of deal.

    I just want to say, fuck you both. You can be as logical as you want. You can be as faithful as you want. Guess what? Both haven’t proven the existence or non-existence of god. Just shut the hell up. If you express your opinion on the internet, it will most likely be because you want to, and I use this lightly, convert people into believe what you believe. If you really want to convert people into believing or disbelieving religion, then prove god does or doesn’t exist. You can SAY religion caused wars. You can SAY religion gave hope to the unfortunate. But ultimately, it’s because humans are the most conforming beings on this planet. Whether conforming is the right thing or not, you have to admit that shit only gets more popular because it already is popular.

    Tell me something. If you created free-willed “objects”, what would you do with them? Would you be self centered and make them suck your cock every single fucking day? Or would you be carefree and just watch them suck each others cocks? Neither of these is the “right” answer. Just watch the fucking news and look at how many fucked up people there are in this world. God could possibly do something self centered. God could also be a curious person who decided to put us on a giant sphere.

    If you take the word “cock” and “shit” literally, then suck your own cock and eat shit you dumb fuck of a human being.

  • ATHEISM MUST FALL!

    The Sydney Atheist Convention. At least we know they gather at one area.

    It would be great to return to an era where people have to shove a weapon at you to reveal your true colors. Either someone for something, or a coward for nothing.

  • Correlation does not imply causation.

    And given the difficulty of a controlled trial that would try to make people religious, we’ll probably never know if being of lower intelligence makes it easier for you to believe.

    As for agnostics, you guys have some strange beliefs.
    Like your view of the typical atheist being some sort of anti-god botherer.

    Even Richard Dawkins says that science can only ever be 99.9% sure. Atheists don’t claim to have all the answers, but they do constantly look for the answers.
    As opposed to getting them out of some old fashioned book.

  • Just another corrupted attempt to explain shit they don’t know about. For one, they’re assuming that people that are not traditionalists are not religious. Second, that their automatically leftist too. Third, that their automatically liberal. Another thing the IQ tests, which are almost useless now because of the constant change they have to apply with the deviation range, which changes every year and also depends on the area it which it’s applied. It all depends on the ideals people have, not if their religious or not. It’s values, not intelligence that matters most.

    As one person put it, “base a sociological behavior ranging in spectral density from young to old from different social economic distributions, cultural backgrounds, social status, religious differences and base this titanic statement on a statistical inference of a handful of teenagers, brilliant.”

  • Im a pure atheist and this information still fucking pisses me off. Science proves to fail time and time again. I want cool shit from science and this is the best they can come up with, inconclusive pointless studies. I think I may see who are truly the stupid ones.

  • Fuck the Illuminati and their stupid New World Order,you are just the type of dumb monkeys that they want.They control you,and you will see it by yourself.
    They aim at a world without religion,they are going to achieve their goal through your blindness,by telling you :”Unbelievers are more smart” hell….That’s the most stupid thing that i ever heard. -_-

  • Well, I’d rather live with religious people, particularly, Christians, because I know they won’t hurt me. Setting the bullshit/s aside Christianity is a good guide to living a moral and peaceful life.

  • Concerning the comments, TL;DR. But I find it absolutely hilarious that the atheists are trying to explain scientific and logical concepts to a christian that just doesn’t get it. I mean, it really proves the article doesn’t it?

    I really don’t understand the value of this study though, it’s basically masturbation. Most “left-leaning” atheists already know they’re more intelligent than their right-wing christian/muslim/jew counterparts, and those right-wing counterparts will never acknowledge any study that would make such claims, so what is the point?

  • Oh well. If believing and accepting God, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit makes me some sort of “fool”, then let it be. I’ll be the biggest fool who ever lived and proud of it.

  • Lol, being an atheist would be conservative in my case. And I’m sure it’s like that with many people here.

    Well, religion is something you have to experience yourself. And I do not talk about that bullshit christian “Dear Jesus please don’t send me to hell ;_;”-thing. I would recommend reading the Taoteking to get an impression what I mean.

  • religion is the greatest shortcut in all of human experience.. you subscribe to a belief system, do a bit of research with their sacred scripts, and presto, you unravel the “raison d’etre” of the universe, reality, life and humanity.

    normally though, people spend their whole lives – and almost always dying prior to – making sense of it all, why we perceive time’s flow as one way, why scientific progress seems to have no end in sight, stuff like that.

    thing is.. most people think they ‘understand’ how the world goes around, when in fact they are helplessly caught up in the delusions of their belief systems for any myriad of reasons. recalling what marx said – “religion is the opium of the masses” – sometimes reality gets to be too harsh to handle, which is probably why the abrahamic religions (Jew, Christian, Islam) promise of an eternal paradise to the righteous.

    and for those who might very well be the forerunners to homo sapiens sapiens’ successor, it might just be reason enough to develop a mentality strong enough to stay grounded in reality – to be able to live in and on this world without desire for an afterlife. existence is its own reward, and beliefs are only to be had AFTER forming a stable base upon which science and philosophy can work in concert..

    having said that though.. being a rational deist (sometimes “Nietzschean” or “agnostic”, whichever is best suited for the situation) here in my native Philippines can be quite the intellectual challenge, especially amidst narrow-minded pastoral pariahs -_-

  • Religion makes people look away from reality during hardship for miracles and what not through pray and “good faith”. Others face the truth and find solution through their own abilities.

    • Most people are willing to live with a life that has meaning by means of a possibility of having the right things they did in life vindicated in an afterlife than face the reality that all the unjust people that did wrong by them will end up in the same way as everyone, even the most just and good, with only peoples’ opinions to leave as an ever-lasting memory.

      Would you like to be forever remembered for the bad things you did, discounting all the good things you’ve ever done? Or would you like the possibility of being vindicated in some way? Where is the justice in you being considered as a wicked person with no chance of having his named cleared at all?

      How about your friends and family- when they die, will you say “good riddance!” and forget about them forever? The same as you will be forgotten? Or would you like the possibility of being reunited with them?

  • IQ tests are unreliable. If you want to be consistent, then you would have to say that black people, Hispanics, women and other minorities are less intelligent as well; they generally score lower white males.

    And not only that, you would have to admit that gossip columnist Mary Vos savant (IQ 186) is more intelligent than Alber Einstein (160), Stephen Hawking (160), and nobel prize winners James Watson (119) and Francis crick (115).

    IQ tests are unreliable. psychology is called a soft science for a reason.

    oh and if liberals have the evolutionary edge, why do conservative muslims and hindus have more children than leftists and liberals? wouldn’t that make them the true evolutionary winners?

    • who says they aren’t?

      people in third-world countries score lower too. in fact, the average IQs in a lot of African countries actually qualify as being retarded… which might explain why they’re so poor.

      • /facepalm

        You do realize that

        1) IQ tests measure both problem solving as well as knowledge. If you can’t get higher education, gets where it reflects.
        2) An IQ test must be tweaked and normalized for the population whose intelligence it’s supposed to be measuring. Like hell they’ve done that.
        3) Actually being poor makes people score lower on the IQ scale because of missed chances to get better education, not the other way around.
        4) Good job being a racist loser.
        also 5) Other forms of intelligence (EQ, etc),punk, DO YOU KNOW THEM?

        • I wrote only the first comment, not the rest.

          yes, it’s not racist to point that people of other races or of a different sex score lower. I don’t think you’re racist because of that, not at all.

          But you will be seen as racist if you insist these test are reliable, period. I just wanted to point out to artefact that if he feels iq tests are reliable then he must admit black people, hispanics (like me ) and women are dumber as well.

          If artefact is fine with being labeled a racist xenophobe, so be it.

          “although EXTREMELY high (160 is something like the top 99.99th percentile) isn’t what made them special, it was their ability to think about the universe,” which is my point, IQ tests aren’t the only predictor of success and brilliance.

          “I don’t think you should disparage someone with a freakishly high IQ like 186 just because they’re a columnist instead of a physicist,”
          correct, but, if you’re familiar with her work you will know that Mary Vos savant work leaves a lot to desire in terms of depth. I stand to my word, even though she has a higher IQ than Einstein, she is not better than Einstein.

          like I said, IQ test aren’t infallible. psychology is called a soft science for a reason.

        • The IQ scores in this particular study were adjusted, although I admit the study is controversial. However, the tests they give in a certain country is given in the local language, and adjusted for their cultures.

          But you realize that modern IQ tests are almost entirely based on problem-solving, right? It’s not like in the old days where they ask things like “which woman is more beautiful” and then show a white lady as the right answer, and they don’t ask things like “What is Crisco.” They’re normalized for age and education level to get an appropriate score, since IQ is basically a comparison of a CHILD’S mental age compared to an ‘average’ child of a certain age. ie, a 10 year-old child with an IQ of 120 has a mental age (developmentally) of 12. IQ scores generally don’t change in adulthood, but the system works in a different way, which is sort of why the concept of the IQ is flawed (to a point).

          Also, LOL. It’s not racist to simply point out the results of a study in a way that offends people… I never said anything to disparage a certain race, only that people in other poor countries score poorly on IQ tests, and that the causation possibly works both ways.

          On another point, Steven Hawking and Albert Einstein are renowned for their work in physics… their actual intelligence, although EXTREMELY high (160 is something like the top 99.99th percentile) isn’t what made them special, it was their ability to think about the universe. I don’t think you should disparage someone with a freakishly high IQ like 186 just because they’re a columnist instead of a physicist.

  • IQ tests are unreliable. If you want to be consistent, then you would have to say that black people, Hispanics, women and other minorities are less intelligent as well; they generally score lower white males.

    And not only that, you would have to admit that gossip columnist Mary Vos savant (IQ 186) is more intelligent than Alber Einstein (160), Stephen Hawking (160), and nobel prize winners James Watson (119) and Francis crick (115).

    IQ tests are unreliable.

    oh and if liberals have the evolutionary edge, why do conservative muslims and hindus have more children than leftists and liberals? wouldn’t that make them the evolutionary winners?

  • Pretty much the truth…. religious people are not very smart when it comes down to…. why else would they need to believe in non-existent ‘gods’ to make their lives worthwhile?

  • “Intellectuals” have a long history of believing all manner of stupid shit. Let’s not forget that Communism, a system that any auto mechanic or bartender could have told you was utterly unworkable in the real world, was (and still is) a movement hugely appealing to intellectuals. Look at a list of prominent Communists from the 20th century, and you’ll see the ranks stuffed with philosophers (Sartre and de Beauvoir), medical doctors (Che Guevara), writers (Bertold Brecht), artists (Paul Robeson) and scientists (the Rosenbergs). Most of the important figures in asian Communism (Deng Xiaopeng, Chou En-Lai, Ho Chi Minh, Pol Pot) were privileged young people who had been sent to get educations in France.

    So, even if this story proves something (a study of political and religious attitudes amongst teenagers and college-age people does not necessarily mean anything to the populace at large), it still doesn’t necessarily mean anything.

  • This article is misleading since it said liberals only tend to be smarter than social conservatives. It’s actually been shown that mormons score the highest iq than any other religious people too.

  • It’s pretty funny looking at all these butthurt religious people who come here.

    Child abuse is illegal correct? How many of you were raised in a religious or semi-religious home? I remember when I first found out about christianity I was told if I don’t believe in this imaginary person, I would burn in hell for eternity.

    Now, for any of you who have had similar experiences like this, were any of you scared? I was terrified myself, I would have been around 7 – 9 at the time.

    Now someone please explain to me how this isn’t child abuse? Telling a child they will burn forever if they refuse to believe in something that makes no sense.

    Religion is disgusting and vile, exploit the innocent, yet they call it “saving ones soul” There has been so many crimes committed in the name of “god” and some of these people get away with it.

    Has religion ever produced anything positive without causing more negative? Some say we have many hospitals because of religion, how many of the early hospitals treated mentally ill people and claimed they were “possessed by demons”.

    Homosexuals weren’t hated until christianity showed up, wonder why that was hmm?

    • Telling a child that he’ll burn in Hell for doing bad is just like telling a child to eat his broccoli or the boogey man will come and get him. It teaches the child that there are consequences for actions. Telling him that it’s the right thing to do when s/he’s 6 or 7 won’t make him/her do anything.

      And name me one Atheist or secular group that is helping people in third world countries right now without government aid. As far as I know, a quarter of aid workers in Africa are Catholic Missionaries. And that’s not even scratching the surface.

      I know what your problem is. You look at the minority of US citizens or Muslim terrosist who think like idiotic assholes who claim to follow their religion, and think that EVERYONE who follows what they do are just the same. It’s the A=B=C argument, which never works. There are idiots who kill and hurt others to protect animals. I guess that means that everyone who fights for animal rights are evil, vile and immoral monsters, right? Under your logic, that would be so.

      And people have always hated Homosexuals ever since the first gay couple existed, regardless of religious beliefs. Saying that Christianity started the hate is just a ridiculous statement to make.

      • “Telling a child that he’ll burn in Hell for doing bad is just like telling a child to eat his broccoli or the boogey man will come and get him. It teaches the child that there are consequences for actions.”

        Yes, it is like telling a child that the boogeyman will come and get him. Both Hell and the boogey man are equally fictional. However they are not similar to encouraging the child to eat broccoli, as it has clear nutritional benefits that should be explained to him.

        I also question the validity of terrifying children with fictional stories of dangerous home invaders or being sentenced to eternal torture.

        I don’t approve of lying to children at all. I don’t even approve of my 5 year old nephew being suckered into the Santa myth. I was out with him the other day, and he told me he was worried because Santa Claus was watching him. He was freaked out. And because I respect his mother’s opinion, I can’t even tell him the truth. A child can enjoy the mythology of Santa Claus without being lied to and made to believe it is true.
        Ahem. Off-topic.

        A quarter of aid workers in AIDS-infested Africa being Catholic isn’t necessarily a good thing, given the Catholic church’s stance on condoms. I am highly suspect of any charity that elevates its personal belief system above the needs of the people it is supposedly helping. And MANY Christian charities most certainly do. For example, the Salvation Army’s Christmas gift donations. Salvo volunteers go through all the donated gifts to remove any ‘inappropriate material’ – like Harry Potter or Chronicles of Narnia books. Screw the kids who would love to receive them, those books are the Devil’s work!
        Secular charities are focused solely on the welfare of those they help. And atheists who volunteer do so purely because they want to help, not because the expect some seat in Heaven for doing it.

        • Even though Atheist aid groups do help, they are just as corruptible as religious groups for one reason: cynicism. People will always look at any bad thing that happens, and then use that to say that it is all bad. Even if the good outweighs the bad, people will still try to look for bad things to say about people or groups. Whether someone is religious or not, in the end, has nothing to do with how a person or group thinks.

          This fight won’t end until everyone stops acting pessimistically.

    • You were scared because your parents were idiots, and you were a pussy.

      If you learned more about your religion, you should’ve had better judgment about it rather than listening to Bill Maher.

    • Dude you’re a dumbass. A few nuts doesn’t make a whole religion bad…they sure ruin the reputation that good people build, but that’s quite the narrow-minded hate there. Also, homosexuality was hated in Ancient Greece before only some christians(not all) hated it. All you atheist fucks just need to take one semester of a history course that covers history predating Judaism and you will find out how wrong you all are, especially about the contributions of Christians, Muslims, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, etc. Then again, you might just be unreachable by reason, even more so than the idiots you’re REALLY criticizing.

      • Well said, anon. I used to be like you; reasonable, fair, educated. Yet along the way, all this reasoning and calming down made me feel watered down and passionless. I was dead inside.

        So, I threw it all out and am now considering joining or starting some radical, crazy-as-fuck religious group. What religion it is, it doesn’t matter. It tends to get the point across when there are bomb threats and dead abortion doctors than in arguing with the opposition on CNN or some fucktarded forum where no one will listen to you anyway.

        Well, what’s there to lose? Atheists don’t think I’m anything but a corpse when I’m dead. My religion would think I’ll go to hell. Why not take a lot of you fuckers with me? Do I really care about the people who love you or your ideologies? Let’s cut out the bullshit and see who’s right after all. Quickly.

  • Well thats nice.

    I have had 12 years of my childhood ruined by, constant non-stop bullying, I have been extremly suicidal for a large portion of my life

    I don’t drink, smoke or do drugs, I’m a very polite and nice person and I have found praying to God to be extremly helpful to my life, after many years of thinking I came to the conclustion the goal is to be close to God, not the church.

    Of course there are very nice people in most churchs if you don’t go to the bible bashing othodox ones.

    I have extremly good grades considering I was bullied all the way though school, I have learnt to combind my religion with science, and I love science it solves so many problems.

    Only to have my believes shoved in my face and to be told I’m an idiot/retard who is less intelligent that everyone else.

    Thanks, thanks a lot, you really made me feel better about myself, you really added to the science/religion debate, but allow me to put this foward, irregular numbers don’t make sense, but their always true, shaming lanuage isn’t an arguement, its to detract from it and change the subject.

    And also, when we take god out of the equation, the only thing which is important, is yourself.

    But I guess i’m too retarded to make an intelligent answer and should go back to isolation.

    • everyone is stupid. Religious people are willing to admit that. Atheists, however, make up the rules of Science to make themselves feel better and to justify their own existences.

      Atheists have unwarranted self-importance because they believe in God less than everyone else. Other than that, they have produced nothing else other than individuals with big heads filled with hot air.

      Religious people, at least, have built schools, hospitals and orphanages. They didn’t need a proof of a God to do those things. They sponsored science and contributed to the control of population in terms of numbers and ideas through Holy Wars. That hasn’t changed for the last few thousand years. I don’t think it’ll change anytime soon.

      See, how stupid I’m acting? Now look at a pretentious Atheist and see how he claims how smart he is. On the Internet. With no proof at all.

      TL;DR- Atheists should be scrutinized more because they have no excuse to be stupid.

  • Is that george bush? thank god he’s not a president anymore a murdering scum who started a war by this father and son also when he’s a texas governor he had executed 150+ people don’t think clemency is his vocabulary hope their son won’t become future US president, Anybody but them(bush clan)!

  • I don’t believe this should be translated to political leftwing and rightwing. (northwest europe here). Except for the name christian there is no religion left in our right wing parties. You also can’t say that leftist is more intelligent in politics here because a lot of people with brains voted to the more realstic rightwing in response of the unrealistic leftwing politicians believing in utopias.
    Fanatics or extremists can either be narrow minded left or right or religious or whatever.

    So, if you really want to make two groups, it would probably be better to say broad-minded vs narrow minded people.

  • “Naturally, that academics and scientists tend overwhelmingly to be left wing and irreligious has nothing to do with these scholarly and impartial scientific conclusions.”

    What an unhappy comment, when even if we exclude the possibility that academics and scientists are actually people with higher IQ than the average, your text also failed to mention that the supposed reasons behind such conclusions would it be that more inteligent people are more likely to question the traditions. Basically, instead “be smart is to be atheist, monogamic, etc”, a consequence of a higher intelligence it’s to question the traditions before decide to follow them or not. Once you question it, you do are prone to stop follow it, but it is not a necessary conclusion and the fact that the word “prone” was used exemplify this uncertainty.

    It is not the first time that I see Sankaku Complex post crippled news from somewhere trying to get a very biased opinion because the responsible to post it in here just didn’t like what he saw in the original. That’s no way to act to someone who wishes to criticize someone else partiality… even if a the critic is subtle.

  • lol It only survived to publication because it said exactly what they like to hear, otherwise they might never take the word of a psychologist of any variety.
    Also, its easy to say that religious people are stupid when the majority of people are affiliated with some religion and the majority is stupid.

    Still, by the Schrobby school of logic, some other stupid shit should be true as well…For instance, opinion = fact, fact = the truth, therefore opinion = the truth. That said, your logic is flawed because the people you say believe in pure bullshit are merely expressing their opinions and personal truths. QED bitch…don’t spout baseless, nonsensical bullshit.

    Still IMO, none of the “reasonable” atheists are willing to accept reason in actuality. You guys are just as stubborn as the people you hate (and the reason you hate them is probably something common among theists and atheists alike). Opinion really does equate to fact for you guys just as much as it does for them so leave them alone and shut the fuck up.

  • I have never seen any scientist say “Kill them!” while that’s all I hear in religion, They say that “God is the almight and perfect!” wow…what a nice guy god is for having such a sad human emotions which are called “Jealousy” and “Hate”
    Come on guys, all what religion support is money and sex, it’s true there might be few or lets say MANY good things in religion, like Morality and all, but the bad things in religion aren’t light, they are so extreme, why would god order us to kill? and why not “Use the miracle I gave you, use your mind!”
    And as an Athiest, who is looking for the truth, I’m ready to be religious if just god showed me that he really exist, I’m honestly trying my best to believe in him, I want ot believe in unknown “someone” up there, and no I won’t blame religion for thievery or money/sex addicts, even many non-religious people are like that, why? coz we are humans.

  • I’m a liberal and proud of it also an atheist too. I don’t like those conservative christians because they spew garbage they’re the ones who oppose same sex marriage although they’re the ones that get caught doing sexual stuff like for example Republican Senator Larry Craig to me this is funny he was toe tapping & doing hand signals under the stall the conservatives who are pretty much against everything are really hardcore jesus fucking christians. Sarah Palin is a great example she doesn’t like abortions because jesus wants your kids to be born. Also she doesn’t like same sex marriage because it’s against god. Okay who wanted to vote this retard in? To me all of these conservatives are religiously retarded they believe in a neurological disorder,a talking dead guy & a guy who was nailed on a piece of wood! You know what watch this movie it does prove how fucked up religion really is the movie is called Religulous I really liked this movie it’s made by Bill Maher. you know who’s pretty dumb in the US? The Tea Party Movement as I like to call them The Teabagging Movement they’re just a bunch of religious hicks who probably fucked their sisters or they’re daughters and spewing racism & hatred towards liberals they funny thing about it they don’t realize that the stuff that Obama is trying to do is help everyone out but they let racism get into the picture because he’s black they call him a socialist because they can’t say the racial slur for black people. Obama is intelligent he went to Harvard Graduated & Became a Professor in Harvard he doesn’t want to deal with a bunch of ignorant,religious,close minded,racist, & conservatives but he has to all these assholes. it bothers me that people call him Hitler & The Joker From Batman The Dark Night’s Joker it’s just he wants to fix what the republicans fucked up. But the republicans get in the way, anyway the republican party is the biggest joke ever I say call them Hitler you know what Worse than Hitler because most of them are alive and they’re a bunch of Nazi’s and all of their IQ’s are less than an inch between their eyebrows because they let religion get in the way! Republicans started the whole religious bullshit back in the 1950’s and now they’re stuck with it this is the kind of bad karma that they get what they deserve.

  • I’m on my way to be a scientist (currently doing my degree in physics) and I will always think the stupidest re the one who makes such one sided statement. Both side can reach an equilibrium even if they don’t need each-other. And also, I see a lot of people narrowing the definition of “religion” the the belief in one of many Gods, which is totally false to think.

    Anyway, I don’t mind religion as long as they don’t go teaching bullshit to its followers which then go and rant on sciences (one thing that is always omitted is that most religious texts are just metaphors, yet people are too stupid to realized that… oh wait that study might be true then…).

  • this seems pretty simple and common-sense.. but it’s probably because my IQ was 133.

    IQ is an Intelligence Quotient, not a measure ‘how smart you are’. It is simply an ability to learn or willingness to learn. Therefore, higher IQ means willingness to adapt and evolve to better oneself. People with a lower IQ will be less willing to adapt, and more likely to perform familiar tasks. aka – stay in a rut or play it safe, whether this is a job, education, or beliefs.

    • As a person with a mere 140 IQ (No shit. I just tried out mensa.no’s [url=http://www.mensa.no/olavtesten/index_2.html]trial test[/url] ololol), I’m here to tell you that your post contains an above average amount of bullshit.

      (No: I don’t take IQ test seriously)

    • Hey Anon,

      Your IQ is 133? Really? Yet you’re convinced that people of lower capacities are unwilling or unable to adapt. That’s just stupid Mr. 133. BTW you never specified what qualifies you to be speaking on such an article, besides the fact that every troll and their mother posts on here. Your “high IQ” could be a facade kept up in just this one comment of yours and as you implied, it doesn’t automatically make you willing to learn. You said “ability to learn or willingness to learn”, but you can have one without the other(same with the adapting statement). I also have an IQ in the 130s(137), and I’m modest enough to admit those with higher IQs aren’t always the most perceptive or intelligent of individuals. It just feels like such a crutch to throw your IQ out like that man. Also, I’m familiar with several IQs taken in the course of testing that are averaged into your final number. 133 is rather vague considering you have IQs related to math, science, language, spacial, reasoning and logic, Wechsler’s IQ test, Terman’s Stanford-Binet IQ test, etc. Considering your argument was quite poor, I’m assuming a low reasoning and logic score is to blame for your 133. You might be quite smart when it comes to spacial and whatnot, but still your IQ just barely qualifies you for Mensa (I think the cutoff is 132). This is of course if you actually are that capable and not just bullshitting us on the 133.

  • This is so one-sided, and meant only to be used as some sort of political tool.

    So many scientists and researchers, who even research such things as evolution, are religious, namely Francis Collins, and most (if not all) members of the Pontifical Academy of Sciences run by the Vatican. Wow, would you look at that, science and religion working together? I thought that could never happen, because, you know, religion can only be synonymous with idiocy and such.

    Oh, and there are such things as left-winged Christians, if I’m not mistaken. So how does that work?

    I’m agnostic, so I don’t take personal offense. But come on, this is such a blatantly pathetic excuse to play high and mighty.

  • It’s just more common now to be “leftist” and “liberal” amongst younger people. I’ve met idiots on both sides. What would be more intelligent is to doubt the results of any study without knowing how the study was conducted and the sample group.

    • Well, a lot has to do with upbringing and life experiences. I kinda was leaning left myself before I had real life kick my ass after I moved out on my own. Learned a lot of hard lessons.

      It’s easy to believe in leftism until you have to face reality. If you’ve got the money, you don’t have to understand the importance of hard work, but if you don’t, you soon begin to realize that not all the left’s ideas are all that great.

      Until they don’t have anyone taking care of them, they will probably remain leftist. But when they face the cold hard realities of life? Well, you remember what happened to the hippy generation, right? Most of them grew up and grew out of it. Same thing will likely happen here.

  • Ok, so… most people seem to be throwing rocks at one another, therefor I will try to present a somewhat neutral stance.

    The reason why I say SOMEWHAT neutral is simple, I am an Atheist.

    I live in Portugal, and I grew up as a christian, went to church every week, sunday school, boy scouts etc… you name it, I was involved in plenty of activities.

    At around 11 or 12 years old, I decide to leave these activities, I requested to my parents and although some initial refusal, they eventually let me do it.
    I left because things were stopping to make sense to me, I started to be more involved in science and technology. Since then I have develop a great interest in both.

    Now to the matter at hand. I do not resent religions, you are all free to believe in whatever it is you want, as am I. Now you can say, “You are an atheist! You don’t believe in anything!”, and you know what? You are probably right, but that’s not atheism, that’s nihilism (which is a philosophy I enjoy very much).

    This is where you guys need to consult wikipedia, atheism is simple a skeptical way of thinking towards supernatural claims(existence of god), due to the lack of real evidence. It does not mean atheists cannot live a rather spiritual live, such as adopting Buddhism for example. In fact many do that.

    From my experience, religious people often like to see the world in black and white, good and evil, heaven and hell, I admit, it is just simpler to look at it this way, and easier. It is also simpler to just assume there is someone watching over you, that we are not alone in this universe… but I don’t look for simple answers, and I do not want to start a flame war here, so lets just say that there are many paths to the same end, and we all must choose/find our own path.

    I live my life with a deep focus on improving, myself, the world around me and the people around me, that is one of my objectives in life. Although this seems like a desperate cause, I will share the little knowledge I have with whomever wants to listen. I don’t care if you are atheist or not, if you do something morally wrong, you have to face the consequences.

    Yes, as surprising it may sound I have moral values, and even more surprising I DO agree with some of the values written on the bible, you know why? Because they have common sense! It is as simple as that.

    “You shall not murder”
    “You shall not steal”

    I agree… don’t you? It is morally wrong to do these things.

    I never imposed my way of thinking into anyone else, because it’s also wrong, every human being should self-determine, but religions have done this in the past… hell! They are still doing it, this is a fact, as it is a fact that countless wars have been caused by religion and in the name of god in the past, and even today!

    Are atheists a superior life form? Haha… probably not, we are just another life form, among many others, personally the more variety the better, the more ways of thinking, the more ways of doing things different, the better.

  • And before anyone points out the throngs of brilliant Jewish scientists and mathematicians humanity has had, just because they were ethnically Jewish doesn’t mean they actually held highly theist beliefs… As history shows, most of them did not.

    • Tex_Arcana says:

      There’s a lot of research and studying in a traditional Hebrew education, practice which would serve anyone well for a career in formula-based academia. Even if you wound up disagreeing with your education, you still ended up with a decent one.

      Then again, I kinda doubt Einstein owed his genius to a good education. More like the other way around.

  • Once again, science proves itself full of idiots. For as smart as you guys claim to be, you sure are a bunch of dumbasses. And here, the only thing you’re trying to do is push an agenda.

    First – it’s NOT true that non-religious people are more faithful to their wives, they’re just as bad. They just don’t get busted for the hypocracy bit.

    Second – why is it they seem to thing Science and Religion are not compatible with one another? For this, religion is just as bad! Look – science speaks in specifics and data, while religion in relative terms and symbolism. The Good Book says the world was created in seven days. Science says you can’t do it in seven days. But given that it’s a RELIGIOUS STATEMENT, you have to remember time is relative. The symbolic day is just an abstract period of time stretching from one area to another.

    Third – this is most amusing to me. Does science forget its roots? Did they forget that the Big Bang theory was the CHRISTIAN theory, created by a CATHOLIC PRIEST? That science’s counter to it was the Steady State Theory? Tell me, what do we talk about nowadays, hmm? The Big Bang, or the Steady State?

    There are just as many scientific geniuses in the Religious field as the non-religious field, and religion itself can be used not only as inspiration, but if you look at the common themes in religion, it’ll point to more than just beliefs. Things that are commonly held throughout many or most religions may be based on fact – just as any legend or myth.

    So science, to you, I issue a challenge. How about pulling your head out of your ass, stop pushing an agenda, and instead of bashing religion, look to it as inspiration. You don’t have to believe it to be inspired by it, you just need the creativity to understand that people had to explain what was happening to them back when the religious texts were made, and didn’t have the tools you have today. Stop bashing it, and start trying to find out what these symbols of theirs really meant. Who knows? You may find the next big discovery hidden deep inside the bible or something.

    • Role,
      Science and not opposed, however they are fundamentally incompatible. Science is a secular pursuit dedicated to understanding reality, not challenging religion. It just so happens that more often than not, reality contradicts religious mythology and science simply reveals it. Of course religious people don’t like the fact that they’re wrong and get upset at “science” because the truth doesn’t match up with their religious conviction.
      Science is fundamentally a secular pursuit. It has nothing to do with religion at all. The Big Bang theory was proposed by a scientist who also, coincidentally, happened to be a Catholic priest. The theory was proposed because he was a scientist; being a priest didn’t have anything to do with it. As with all theories, the Big Bang theory stood on its own merits. With subsequent investigation and observations, it was determined that the Big Bang theory is the best match for all available evidence and that is why it has gained such wide support. Because it matches the evidence. THIS IS HOW SCIENCE WORKS. It has nothing to do with who proposed the theory (although they receive due credit for their discovery), it is based on how well the theory fits the facts. At the present time, the Big Bang theory is what fits the facts.
      Scientists are constantly investigating and testing alternative theories to see if they fit the facts better than a competing theory. What you refer to as “science’s counter” to the Big Bang theory was merely an alternative explanation from a different scientist which, while a valid theory, is currently thought to be less supported than the evidence for the Big Bang.

      I repeat that science is secular. Individual scientists may take their personal religious beliefs as an inspiration for a hypothesis they’re working on, but the results of the study must be published in a secular manner. Secular means that it is independent of religion or unscientific bias. The facts must stand on their own without bias or appeal to magic. Religion is based on faith, and faith is not a valid precept for a scientific theory. You cannot just say “then god did it, as proven in this passage from the Bible” as part of any scientific hypothesis. You must prove the validity of the facts, demonstrate how the theory fits those facts, and explain exactly how your conclusion is reached – WITHOUT resorting to mythology, faith, or unsubstantiated beliefs.

      Science IS incompatible with religion, but that is because it is wholly independent of it. It is not because science directly challenges any religion, and science in general certainly does not bash religions. Many scientists are religious themselves, and while other individual scientists may speak in opposition to religious dogma these are their personal opinions. There has never been a scientific paper published with regard to the validity of religious beliefs. Psychology journals may indeed have addressed the human inclination towards religious beliefs – but even that is not a statement on the validity of those beliefs.

      Individual scientists can take inspiration from wherever they wish. They could take inspiration from the Lord of the Rings if they wanted to. There is nothing preventing them from doing so. But a theory must always, ALWAYS, stand on its own merits and demonstrable evidence.

  • Atheism is a lack of a belief in a god, the exact opposite of theism, that’s how it works. And for all you people out there who don’t know any better, agnosticism is not a middle ground. Gnosticism is knowledge. I don’t know if there is a god without sufficient evidence, but as such, I don’t believe in him either. Therefore, I’m an agnostic atheist.

  • This article pretty hypocritical.

    Just from the title alone, Sankaku ties leftism as the direct opposite of religion. Granted, I know more non-religious liberals then religious ones, but that doesn’t somehow negate their existence.

    Also, this kind of study should be looked at with scrutiny. Of coarse not all religious people are idiots, as Sankaku is trying to insinuate about the findings of this study. Rather, what this study points out, is that you are more likely to find someone with a higher IQ in an environment with a liberal view of education.

    let’s face it, Religion isn’t designed to change, and when it does, it’s only to attract followers or to mislead them that Religion isn’t some bronze age bullshit. Science, something that has been benefiting man for thousands of years, changes and grows to accommodate the social needs (medicine, psychology, plumbing, electricity, y’know things that affect your everyday life). You are more likely to find liberals in the scientific fields, and non-religious areas, because they found the environment to be a better source for knowledge. In religious states, schools are constantly told to not teach evolution, or to preach the false teachings of creationism in class. Even worse, in very religious areas, children are home schooled and are not taught anything outside of the bible. People aren’t born intelligent, it’s our environments and willingness to adapt that make us more intelligent. Seeing past some thousand year old book and actually trying to understand the world around you, that’s smart. Staying ignorant, just because it makes you feel all warm and tingly, is dumb, sorry, that’s life.

    when you compare a religious state to a very non-religious one, you find the populations who are religious tend to have lower IQ levels, higher crime rates, etc. Does it mean that the whole state is like that? No. but it gives you a good idea of what mentalities effect learning.

    this isn’t because their religion made them ‘dumber’ it’s because the mindset of the religious leaders and followers believe in never changing. It’s why some religious folk still think that you can cure a disease by praying (or kill people), or that evolution isn’t real.

    in an environment where one can be taught freely, (the ‘leftist’ side, as Sankaku says), people have greater access to knowledge without their local church trying to take the proverbial book out of their to burn.

    It’s sickening when ‘news’ outlets mislead their viewers or skew data in order to preach some nonsense about “oh, see? the lefties think they’re soooo smart”. If you want to be more intelligent, or seem so, actually research facts, and get the information

  • I don’t want any of your belief titles. I believe in what I can see, feel and hear, I don’t care what other people believe in, and my attention span to people trying to tell me what they believe in and that only their belief is true and valid is very short.

    I do not believe a book that was written by mankind, unless it is based on proof and pure facts, a book is nothing but a fantasy story unless it is based on facts.

    I believe in science, this because science is practiced and based on facts and proof.

    I say believe in what you want and what makes you happy enough to get through the day, just as long as you don’t pester your surroundings with it and the people who has different or non-beliefs.

  • “holds that humans more inclined to adopt “non-traditional” behaviours are more intelligent than mere traditionals. These non-traditional behaviours yield a higher chance of survival in a rapidly changing environment.”

    Fuck yeah. Something that makes me at least “look” intelligent.

  • The problem with this test is this:

    Free thinking will always be smarter on average then those that tow the line.

    This could apply to religion to the state to near anything that is more or less all encompassing. It has less to do with what you believe and more to do the fact that the ignorant masses tend to flock towards what they perceive as the safe and easy (religion and state).

    If you were to take people of very high IQs from both religious and non religious groups and test them against each other you would likely find little difference.

    Blindly following religion/state is bad, at the same time blindly rejecting both because it is the thing to do is bad as well. You have to know why you are doing something and question your rational behind it. That is was make you smart or dumb, not the fact that you have religion or not.

    The results really should read, religion is more attractive on average to those with a lower IQ. This is far from a new concept tho and as I say can be used in a lot of places for a lot of things.

  • Wow, I thought leftists were also supposed to be more equally excepting of others….

    I guess that only applies if it falls in line with their ways of thinking. Kinda of backs up that thing of leftists thinking they know better, and are better.

    Elitists.

    And scientists claiming all this crap? Scientists who generally reject religion in the first place? Scientists who generally lean left? Gee sounds like a COMPLETELY impartial study.

    Maybe Scientists should go back to more productive things, such as pulling their global warming theory out of the toilet…….

    • Most “leftists” do promote equal acceptance.
      However a growing number, including myself, recognise the threat posed by organised religion.

      For example, the Christian fundamentalists who argue against the solidly established theory of evolution because it contradicts their precious creation myths. There are teachers and school boards in the US who want to teach creationism and/or ‘intelligent design’ solely because the facts of reality don’t support their religious delusions.

      We also have the cult of Scientology demonstrating profoundly how a so-called religion can sucker people into truly believing batshit insane fiction thought up by a sci-fi author.

      And of course, the increasing prominence of Islam, with Muslims constantly demonstrating their stone-age moral values and insane religious laws. Their own theocracies implement the death penalty for homosexuality, support stoning of rape victims, and have religious police units who arrest people for drinking alcohol, or women who show their faces in public. Not to mention the honour killings, in which they feel it is perfectly acceptable to kill a child, usually a girl, for dishonouring the family by associating with male friends.
      And the Islamists are extending their foul reach into the United Nations and western countries, trying to make criticising their bullshit religion illegal, and trying to have their ridiculous sharia law recognised by courts in the UK.
      They’re also fond of blowing themselves up.

      Religion is a major problem, which must be stopped. Religious belief cannot and should not be banned, but it should most certainly be discouraged and opposed at every turn. It should not receive special protection from governments. It should loudly and publicly be called on its bullshit. And above all, children must be protected from indoctrination.

      Religion – especially fundamentalist Islam – must be stopped, now. Otherwise they will drag us back to the dark ages.

  • Very flawed study because it only consisted of young people instead of a wide range of age groups. Naturally Young people will be less incline to religion than there elders. As they age there parents, friends, lovers, enemy’s, start to die off and that is when religion creeps in. As hard as it is to admit, when your older your able to look back on the way we lived. The ways we loved the way we hurt others and the way we hated others and realize this is what shaped us. We begin to realize how much each person influenced our life good or bad and we regret what has been done. later in life they seek to become religious because their stint in the world is coming to a close. after all that has happened to them in life, they would like to see those faces again. This has been a repeating theme through out human history. Its common sense that explains it but usually those with so called higher IQ’s lack common sense nowadays.

  • Azure Xuchilbara says:

    “Natural Selection leads the survivors STRONGER and BETTER!!!”

    “COMPLETE…GLOBAL…SATURATION…*deep breath*”

    “This world needs to be JUDGED!!!”

    *sigh*

    If only Albert Wesker was an otaku…

    And the Uroboros virus turned everyone into futanari lolis…

    The world would truly be a better place…

    • It’s survival of the fittest, not the survival of the strongest.

      If the whole world is religious, and you’re an atheist, you’ll die.

      If the world is atheist, and you’re a theist, you’ll die.

      Currently, more of the world is theist. We need another war to wipe out that 16% of atheism. They are a disease.

  • I think the claim is stronger if it ISN’T casual.

    Correlation is already interesting in this case.
    The point isn’t that being smart causes you to be liberal.
    The point is simply that smart people are liberal.

    And as for adjusting for age, why would you need to?
    All the study’s participants are the SAME age!

    One thing you might counter with is this:
    The study shows that YOUNG liberal people are smarter than YOUNG conservatives.

    I don’t think that’s any shock at all.

    The study doesn’t say anything about people who were liberal when they were young, but grew conservative with age.

  • Really? I was under the impression that the people with higher IQs were just more likely to go to college, most of which are anti-religious and try to make their students think the same way.

    • If you by “anti-religious” mean tries to get people to think for themselves instead of believing in burning bushes speaking or that it is right to kill sunday working Walmart-employees…

      Then yeah, those colleges sure are anti-religious.

  • kajunbowser says:

    Stupid study is stupid. It just proves that Leftists are just arseholes enough to make a pseudo-study to make the non-Left wingers feel unintelligent. Plus, if I remember correctly, this guy misinterpreted his own study (thanx Red Eye). I’m clearly smarter than most of these ppl anyway.

    • You know, you could have sounded intelligent, but the “It just proves that Leftists are just arseholes” remark quite sais it all….I’m a leftist myself and i think the article is bullshit without having to rely on insult other political opinions.

  • I don’t know about this article, I’ve met some pretty stupid liberals and atheists as well. My theory is that there are stupid people no matter what niche of society you examine.

    I believe the most enlightened people are those that understand they do not have all the answers. Science does not and will not give us all the answers. Neither does religion. Many scientists I know believe there is some type of God out there, because only they understand all it is they do not know, and could not know.

  • You know why those Palestinians were cheering during 9/11?

    For all its might and all its intellect and pride in a secular enlightenment, the West hasn’t been able to deal with a small group of men who made the twin towers fall down hard.

    What’s that? Economic Ruin? You betcha. You really can’t take away from people who have nothing but their beliefs. The West, however…

    Even now, you have the best equipped army in the world struggling to fight against people who have to shit in a hole on the ground.

    Where’s your science now, Atheists? Does it promise you virgins? Or do you have to settle for the onahole?

  • ALL HAIL RELIGIOUS BIGOTRY!

    Where would we be without the Militant Atheists? Tending sheep in Palestine? Getting mundane jobs?

    I tell you, sending death threats to Swedish cartoonists and being intimidating in general is a HELL lotta more fun than being rational and civil.

    Even if a fly is nothing more than an annoyance, he gets so much delight at the fact that the giant man is swatting at him and CAN’T get rid of him.

  • it’s natural for people with bigger iqs to question the vality of any religious dogma. Really normal…obs: before trools say anything, i’m not making “apologia” to atheism (actually i’m agnostic).

  • This is idiotic. To say just because people choose to believe in life after death they must be stupid in a round about way and claiming it’s a scientific study is just complete bullshit. I graduated in the top 25 out of a school of 2000 people and I’m a conservative, christian, male. This entire article is a waste of space… I’m sorry but the guy who runs sankaku needs to shut the fuck up with his opinions and give us pertinent anime, video game, and J-news and not endless different stories that each in a round about way bash right wing people, religious people, (Xbox players as of late), and everything else he doesn’t agree with. Seriously stuff like this is insulting to large masses of the community and has no good other than fueling 4chan addicted trolls to bash on other peoples beliefs.

    • From the article I’ve read…it seems to me that the research points to a correlation in the tendency of people with “lower” intelligence to be religious and people with “higher” intelligence to be non-religious.

      Psychology is a so called “weak science” and merely points out some patterns observed through studies.And of course people draw conclusions, etc. from that.

      While it is wrong to generalize people by saying:
      You believe in Religion?That means you’re dumb!!

      The way you over-reacted just adds another anecdote for people to argue for that misguided opinion.

      • Actually, someone seriously believing in a religion like chirstianity is enough to label them pretty dumb in my book.

        I’d label someone who actually believed Red Riding Hood was real as stupid or mentally ill.
        I’d label someone who actually believed Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs was real as stupid or mentally ill.
        I’d label someone who actually thought that Lord of the Rings was real as stupid or mentally ill.

        and I believe I would not be alone doing that either.

        So, when someone claims he believes in the Bible, naturally I label him as stupid or mentally ill. Why give him special privileges just because he happens to have the same mental illness as a lot of other people? In the end it’s just another fairy tale.

  • This study is bogus. Leftists and liberals are some of the dumbest people on this planet, not to mention that they act just like religious people do. They have no concept of logic or rationality, their thinking (if you can call it that) is entirely dogmatic and based on pre-programmed responses. They also have the same kind of insane zeal as religious fanatics do.

    • I agree, watching many liberals speak makes me go “wtf? PLEASE START USING THAT BRAIN!”. The problem though, is that the republicans manage to be even dumber, more dogmatic, and lacking in the logic department.
      Just 10 mins of Fox “fair and balanced” makes me go “oh ffs someone make the human gene pool a favour and shoot these morons!”

    • lol @ hollywood liberals.

      “Let’s save the planet! …while riding a jet plane/hummer”

      “Let’s adopt children from Africa! …and raise them to be like spoiled, self-important rich white kids!”

      “Let’s help out poor countries! …And point out how better I am than they are for being able to help them!”

  • oh, it’s fukken JIHAD TIEM!!!

    Everyone who doesn’t use a condom because their religion forbids it, let’s go to the advanced secular country and rape the shit out of it!

    religion wins.

    • @03:33
      “Everyone who doesn’t use a condom because their religion forbids it, let’s go to the advanced secular country and rape the shit out of it!”

      That’s the scary thing. The developed, educated world actually uses birth control.
      The teeming masses of ignorant people from less developed regions of the world have little or no concept of it. The ignorant therefore breed at a far more rapid rate than the intelligent and the educated and this will have an extremely detrimental effect the world as a whole.
      Even in currently developed nations immigrants are bringing stone-age beliefs into the countries. Legal immigrants can become citizens and vote, potentially outweighing intelligent voters and dragging down the hard-won social progress made by these nations over the past centuries.
      Yes, I’m looking at you, you “honour killing” fucking Muslims. I don’t know statistics, but these people with stone-age cultural values keep breeding at a significant rate and immigrate to developed countries where they are already gaining significant political power with regards to their backwards religion. Sharia courts in the UK, for example. They have got to be stopped before they drag our countries back down to their level.

  • It’s almost always poor form to generalize findings in psychology unless you have an absurdly huge amount of data. There’s also a serious problem that in studies like this you have to operationally define things like “traditionalist”, “smart”, “liberal”, “atheist”. Claiming the he has made this claim isn’t very useful because you haven’t told us what he study *actually says*.

  • That’s the other thing I dislike about things that touch on religion of any sort. It opens the flood gates to preachy anonymous amateurs.

    There’s nothing like being scolded/chastised/or lectured by some preachy local mofo hell bent on building their personal salvation on the back of your allegedly heretic non-religious ass.

  • “Naturally, that academics and scientists tend overwhelmingly to be left wing and irreligious has nothing to do with these scholarly and impartial scientific conclusions.”

    The fact that academics and scientists tend to be more intelligent and less religious kind of speaks for itself, doesn’t it?

    Besides, it’s been known for years that the more educated one is, the less likely one is to seriously believe in a religion. Facts are facts, unintelligent and uneducated hicks are more likely to be devoutly religious, while intelligent and educated people are more likely to disregard superstition.
    The more intelligent and educated also realise that it’s a fairly good idea to look after the environment and ecosystems of the planet that sustains us, and that getting along nicely with each other is preferable to killing each other. Hence they tend towards viewpoints typically associated with the political ‘left’. i.e. secularism, diplomacy, and social freedom. However I wouldn’t associate most intelligent people with far-left ideals which are often almost as bad as the far-right.

    • [quote][i]The more intelligent and educated also realise that it’s a fairly good idea to look after the environment and ecosystems of the planet that sustains us, and that getting along nicely with each other is preferable to killing each other.[/i][/quote]

      Global Peace Index: [url=http://www.visionofhumanity.org/gpi/results/world-map.php]World map[/url] | [url=http://www.visionofhumanity.org/gpi/results/rankings.php]Rankings[/url]

      Less religious nations tend to be more peaceful. Surprised? Not really.

  • Atheists are only the way they are because they don’t want to follow any rules at all. And so they are embittered by the fact that they get no afterlife, since their own lives are only the present- they have no past nor do they have any future! It wouldn’t matter to them, science is progress and so progress can’t look back and has no use for speculating about the future, only the present.

    These people lack any sort of morals to question if progress at breakneck speed is good for humanity at all- They only exist for the novelties that science has to offer. Sure, medicine produced numerous cures for diseases, but that only serves as a reason to be less appreciative of life. The quality of life is lessened because of a sad attempt to become immortal, forever young, and happy with life on Earth, and to not prepare for any afterlife- the Atheist does not believe in an afterlife.

    The Atheist would read books, always to be critical, and to get together with other atheists with the sole purpose of mocking those who AREN’T atheist. They set up charities so they can prove that they are not immoral, but the only reason they set those up is to gain the trust of people and to try and evangelize their own sad anti-religion by presenting it as an easier path.

    Sadly, if Atheism is for the intelligent, there is only a handful of them. They are a minority. They HAVE to be oppressed, because these people can be an elite for so long before people are fed up with their whiny anti-religion, anti-theist bullshit that they try cramming down people’s throats in a manner not unlike certain religions.

    • I suspect you haven’t met any atheists who don’t spend all their time preaching on the internet. There’s also no reason to think that atheists are immoral just because so many are jackasses, I know a lock of Christians who are just as irritating.

      Here’s the bottom line: if you want a good world start by executing the annoying people the move on to the Jews.

  • As a psychology student I have to say that I find this interesting, even though in my studies I have find again and again research that shows religious people are more happier than non religious ones, the more religious the more happier.

    I seriously doubt the existence of a god, but I believe this come to, you want to be right or happy?

  • Socrates once stated that misanthropes are those who were optimistic and were continually disappointed to the effect that they would believe everyone is not worthy of any sort of friendship, and thus have to be destroyed.

    Perhaps atheists, in having been continually disappointed by tradition and the beliefs held by tradition have made them actively opposed to it.

    It is my personal belief that in being so overwhelmingly challenged and ridiculed for believing in God, despite my own flaws, I have come to the conclusion that every atheists have to die.

    Atheists have to die because you really can’t reason with these people.

    Where exactly do Atheists go after they die? It wouldn’t seem to matter, since they are just walking meat with holes for eating, fucking, drinking pissing, and shitting. That’s their only purpose in life. So there’s not much sense in these people being kept alive, and thus they have to die. Does Earth have any reason to let humanity exist? Not really. Does it matter if the Earth exists at all? Probably not. The Universe is just something that happens, according to Atheists. Sure, they’ll make these complicated justifications and accusations against people who believe in God, but they’re not putting forward any better alternatives- science, being amoral has become humanity’s instrument of self-destruction, and I am certain that Atheists will deny this, even when they suffer from radiation poisoning or vomiting their bowels from whatever stupidity they insist is human progress.

    That’s what Atheism is all about. It’s about nothing. Maybe a childish rationalization for rebelling against established authority and any responsibility to said authority. It’s all about individuality, and following what is subjectively right.

    Therefore, if all opinions are subjectively right, then it becomes a question of might making right to offset any sort of deadlock in conflicting opinions.

    Someone has to die.

    Communists had it right- You have these “liberators” marching into Tibet. At first they asked if they wanted to join the Communist Revolution. They said “no. We’re happy with Buddhism.” So the Chinese came with guns and turned the monasteries into brothels and flooded Tibet with Chinese settlers.

    This is Atheism. Why should they respect other peoples’ beliefs, they were better than everyone! It gives them a right to ridicule and step on the icons of religions. They’re the douchebags who go to the beach to topple kids’ sandcastles.

    I’m certain that they enjoy making religious people hurt. That’s what Atheists are all about.

    I have resolved to commit a holy crusade against those who attack religion. I commend those who attempt to do the same- it is a work of charity to put down the animals.

    Furthermore, Atheists are only the way they are because they don’t want to follow any rules at all. And so they are embittered by the fact that they get no afterlife, since their own lives are only the present- they have no past nor do they have any future! It wouldn’t matter to them, science is progress and so progress can’t look back and has no use for speculating about the future, only the present.

    These people lack any sort of morals to question if progress at breakneck speed is good for humanity at all- They only exist for the novelties that science has to offer. Sure, medicine produced numerous cures for diseases, but that only serves as a reason to be less appreciative of life. The quality of life is lessened because of a sad attempt to become immortal, forever young, and happy with life on Earth, and to not prepare for any afterlife- the Atheist does not believe in an afterlife.

    The Atheist would read books, always to be critical, and to get together with other atheists with the sole purpose of mocking those who AREN’T atheist. They set up charities so they can prove that they are not immoral, but the only reason they set those up is to gain the trust of people and to try and evangelize their own sad anti-religion by presenting it as an easier path.

    Sadly, if Atheism is for the intelligent, there is only a handful of them. They are a minority. They HAVE to be oppressed, because these people can be an elite for so long before people are fed up with their whiny anti-religion, anti-theist bullshit that they try cramming down people’s throats in a manner not unlike certain religions.

    Yes, Atheists are a minority. Minorities tend to view themselves as either Oppressed or Elite. Maybe it has something to do with feeling marginalized that a lot of people have sympathy for minorities. Everyone loves the underdog, they say. But in the case of Atheists- these underdogs think they are better than everyone else, so they turn off a lot of people. I’ve met some “nice” atheists, but the truth is, they’d scoff at any ceremony you give for any deceased loved ones that you have. They would laugh at you because you say that your grandmother is now in a better place, where the pains of this world do not exist. They would laugh at you because they think you think that your dead loved ones play the harp on a cloud and some big man in the sky is watching over everyone.
    I’d say that only 1% of atheists are genuinely smart, the other 99% are idiots trying to not look like idiots by becoming rebels against the establishment. That’s a fad. Why don’t you think that ANY atheists at all openly challenged people like the pope, the dalai lama, and the Islamic scholars outside their own comfortable atheist hug box? Do you really think that Atheism is such a majority that they could take on an army of pissed-off Islamic militants, Jesus Freaks, and other zealots who have SHAPED human history? I don’t think so. They go to websites like Sankaku Complex and post about how great they are without having any actual contribution to humanity- the majority of which, find them annoying and irrelevant to their own lives.

    Atheists tend to be presumptuous of what they think other people believe- They make the classic argument: “If God exists, and he’s compassionate and merciful, and all that- is God able to stop suffering, but is not willing?”, which presumes the possibility that all suffering can be willed into nothingness without removing any sort of freedom from humans or the laws of nature. The Iraenean Theodicy states that there is suffering in the world, and God allows it, because the alternative would be a hedonistic world where there is no such thing as suffering- which in real life cases had been the reason for a retardation of growth and development and maturity among humans. What about paradise? Isn’t that the same hedonistic place that God was trying to keep us from having on Earth? According to Judeo-Christian commentaries, proximity to God washes away any sort of desire and is the source of happiness and contentment. That is heaven. Atheists don’t get this because they’d rather sit down, eat, sleep, fuck, shit, piss, and get drunk and high- and this sort of material contentment is sufficient for them. They are happy living like animals that would only do the same thing if they’d had opposable thumbs but not any larger brains to ask if there IS anything beyond a state of existence where you don’t breathe anymore, or walk, or talk, or do the things that you do when you’re alive.

    • [i]Enemies of the Ori will show no mercy in their attempt to lead us astray from the true path, likewise we must attack with all the Strength which we have been given. And those who are prideful and refuse to bow down, shall be laid low and made into dust.

      Hallowed are the Ori.[/i]

    • Actually, if you’re going to argue that route, everyone needs to die, regardless of their beliefs. There are just as many athiests who don’t want to destroy religion as there are religious people who are fine if you’re not of their religion. It’s the extremes, crazies, and fanatical zealots of any religion, atheism included, that causes this. You can call it Jihad, a Crusade, or “waking people up”. The point is, no matter what the religion, even Atheism, you’ll have your crazies who give the religion a bad name.

      What you gave examples to are crazies who are in political power. You may think you’re making a point, but you’re actually proving yourself no better than they are by saying that.

  • Atheists tend to be presumptuous of what they think other people believe- They make the classic argument: “If God exists, and he’s compassionate and merciful, and all that- is God able to stop suffering, but is not willing?”, which presumes the possibility that all suffering can be willed into nothingness without removing any sort of freedom from humans or the laws of nature. The Iraenean Theodicy states that there is suffering in the world, and God allows it, because the alternative would be a hedonistic world where there is no such thing as suffering- which in real life cases had been the reason for a retardation of growth and development and maturity among humans. What about paradise? Isn’t that the same hedonistic place that God was trying to keep us from having on Earth? According to Judeo-Christian commentaries, proximity to God washes away any sort of desire and is the source of happiness and contentment. That is heaven. Atheists don’t get this because they’d rather sit down, eat, sleep, fuck, shit, piss, and get drunk and high- and this sort of material contentment is sufficient for them. They are happy living like animals that would only do the same thing if they’d had opposable thumbs but not any larger brains to ask if there IS anything beyond a state of existence where you don’t breathe anymore, or walk, or talk, or do the things that you do when you’re alive.

    • To believe that God exist is equally plausible and justifiable as believing Mr Unicorn/aliens/dragons/whatever fantasy being exist and created the Universe and all, because it isn’t backed up by any logic nor evidence and therefore no valid reason to believe in it’s existence. In the end, its all in your head, but keep it that way and don’t force it unto others.

      If you so strongly believe otherwise, prove it with irrefutable evidence and logic to back it up, since the burden of proof falls onto you holier-than-thou beings.

      • *sigh*

        When was it so important to have “facts” and “logic” to support one’s beliefs? The idea that you know something is true removes all uncertainty, which makes it knowledge, not belief. How can you believe in something you already know to be true?

        The fact that you want “proof” at something science cannot prove or disprove by its very nature, already tells me you’re either a few IQ points away from being a vegetable, or just a troll.

        • Facts and logic combined with things like the scientific method makes us actually understand the universe, religion gives us people blowing each other up because their imaginary friend said to them it was ok to kill people who didn’t believe in the same imaginary friend.

          Religion is a cancer with no place in todays world, and it deserves no mercy.

        • Mind you, it’s still a belief. Like you said, you have the idea of such belief being correct, not a certainty. Thus, you still don’t know if your belief is valid or not, because you still aren’t able to give irrefutable proof of that existence and of the circumstances and elements related to it.

      • Well, if the definition of a Unicorn is of a horse that has a horn, then you can make a unicorn, genetically or otherwise. There it is. A unicorn.

        Want to make some aliens? cultivate a bacteria outside the Earth and make them evolve. There’s your E.T.

        As for God, well! All sorts of things have been attributed to God, but we all know that it is the human mind’s way of trying to articulate something that by its nature cannot be articulated. How can a hamster in a shoebox, who lived in a shoebox all its life, describe things about humans that exist outside? At the same time, you wonder- what if there’s NOTHING at all outside? Of course, because we’re human, we’d sometimes like to think there’s no way of knowing- but this lack of imagination is what makes an Atheist the same as a hamster in a shoebox.

        Whereas a person who believes in God can entertain the notion that there may very well be a God outside us. Because those people are certain that God is with them and within them. They can say this with such confidence that it frustrates an Atheist who constantly demands proof- and will never be satisfied with any proof, because there will always be something refutable. Show them a bible, they will refute it. Show them a tortilla or grilled cheese with some deity’s image in it, they will refute it.

        So atheists are asking for an irrefutable evidence when all they want is to rely on their senses because that’s how base they are. An observable phenomena, because it takes too much brainpower to produce phenomena that in itself is escapable from normal observation. That’s their version of “irrefutable” Furthermore, atheists love to pretend they’re freethinkers, when all they are are followers of Dawkins and some older thinkers who’ve done nothing but think of “what if’s” while trying to discredit organized religion by attributing to them the same faults that they have.

        Face it, atheists. You’re only the way you are because you have the luxury of being able to accuse the establishment of all sorts of things. If you were poor, desperate, and uneducated, you’d need a God. That is the true nature of humanity. Atheists don’t want to admit it, so they clothe themselves in trivia. All futile in the end, when they can’t even save themselves from a zealot with a bomb.

        • it’s historically proven- people who believe in God out of fear will always believe in God out of feat, whereas belief in God out of reason at times of desperation usually subsides when a person is full of themselves at peacetime. When there is no threat upon them.

        • unicorn/alien argument: you’d still have to make said unicorn/cultivate said bacteria, so you don’t have any plausible evidence for their current existence, much less the varying definitions used for them

          hamster in a shoebox argument: so the hamster (human-proxy) is imagining the humans outside the box (god-proxy); implied is that god is all imagination

          irrefutable evidence argument: why would you take a bible, which has been known to be modified/re-translated multiple times and which has the publisher engraved on the cover,as evidence? why the hell would you take a tortilla as evidence? how would you even know what said deity looked like?

          why is a god more necessary to someone poor, desperate and uneducated?

          and tell me, who exactly CAN save themselves from a zealot with a bomb at any given time of day?

          fyi, im not an atheist, im an agnostic

        • How can a hamster in a shoebox, who lived in a shoebox all its life, describe things about humans that exist outside? At the same time, you wonder- what if there’s NOTHING at all outside? Of course, because we’re human, we’d sometimes like to think there’s no way of knowing- but this lack of imagination is what makes an Atheist the same as a hamster in a shoebox.

          Sounds like an inverse Schrodinger’s Cat Experiment.

    • @03:22
      “They make the classic argument: “If God exists, and he’s compassionate and merciful, and all that- is God able to stop suffering, but is not willing?”, which presumes the possibility that all suffering can be willed into nothingness without removing any sort of freedom from humans or the laws of nature.”

      But this presumes that God is *subject* to the laws of nature. To propose otherwise suggests that he is not all-powerful – and typically monotheists don’t accept that. Their God created EVERYTHING, including laws of nature. He cannot be held subservient to them.

      And if Judeo-Christian God wants people to live in eternal happiness and contentment, he can almost certainly do it without subjecting his creations to a world of limited resources, natural disasters, violently opposed religious beliefs (which he doesn’t correct), rape and killing of children which he *could* prevent but doesn’t… If he existed, God COULD do this if he wanted to, but does not. One of three things must be true.

      A) God wants eternal happiness and bliss without suffering, but is not omnipotent, and cannot modify the laws of nature to suit himself.
      B) God does have both the power and desire for everybody to live in eternal bliss, but is wildly incompetent in accomplishing it.
      C) God is both powerful enough to change reality to suit his whims and perfect enough to carry out his plan exactly as he intends – but his plan specifically includes children being raped and murdered, air strikes, nuclear weapons, famine, natural disasters, etc. He has foreknowledge of all these events (omniscience) and the power to prevent them, but specifically chooses not to do so. This highly implies malevolence, since he CAN, but WON’T.

      Or the far more logical;
      D) God, at least as he is popularly portrayed in Judeo-Christian theology and mythology, does not exist.

  • Yes, Atheists are a minority. Minorities tend to view themselves as either Oppressed or Elite. Maybe it has something to do with feeling marginalized that a lot of people have sympathy for minorities. Everyone loves the underdog, they say. But in the case of Atheists- these underdogs think they are better than everyone else, so they turn off a lot of people. I’ve met some “nice” atheists, but the truth is, they’d scoff at any ceremony you give for any deceased loved ones that you have. They would laugh at you because you say that your grandmother is now in a better place, where the pains of this world do not exist. They would laugh at you because they think you think that your dead loved ones play the harp on a cloud and some big man in the sky is watching over everyone.
    I’d say that only 1% of atheists are genuinely smart, the other 99% are idiots trying to not look like idiots by becoming rebels against the establishment. That’s a fad. Why don’t you think that ANY atheists at all openly challenged people like the pope, the dalai lama, and the Islamic scholars outside their own comfortable atheist hug box? Do you really think that Atheism is such a majority that they could take on an army of pissed-off Islamic militants, Jesus Freaks, and other zealots who have SHAPED human history? I don’t think so. They go to websites like Sankaku Complex and post about how great they are without having any actual contribution to humanity- the majority of which, find them annoying and irrelevant to their own lives.

    • This just in – atheists do hold and attend funerals and you don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about. I assure you, a number far greater than 1% of atheists would not laugh at someone for looking for solace after the death of a loved one. You have a great deal to learn about atheism.

      • Don’t hold it against him. It’s likely the only things he knows about atheists are observations he’s made while trolling on web sites like this one.

        In reality, he probably knows a lot of perfectly normal people in real life who are also atheists, but he just assumes they’re Christian because “normal” people are Christian.

        Roughly 15% of people in the USA report themselves as being nonreligious. Think about it — that’s more than 1 out of 10. How many people do you know who don’t have crosses decorating their houses and don’t go to church on a regular basis?

        • Oh, i know alot of AGNOSTICS, but militant atheists? You know what they say about the bark being worse than the bite? It IS possible that I haven’t met an atheist stupid enough to harass people about atheism themselves. But I know who the atheists are in my community. They tend to be educated and yeah, they blend with society. (makes them hard to track)

          Maybe I’m not psychotic enough (or stupid enough) to assault an atheist. (with a witness nearby.)

          If I’m going to assault an atheist, that fucker has to disappear. You really can’t throw a body anywhere- the police are pretty good at finding them. So you have to dispose of the body by cutting it up. (human bone is very tough, so what i’d do is to soak it in vinegar. You can’t have body fluids down the drain, because it’ll smell, so you have to put the gallons of body fluid in jars.

      • Atheism is nothing but a lack of faith in deities. Individual values /morals are not part of atheism ( they are a part of most religions though ), atheists need to decide on their actions by themselves, and take responsibility by themselves.

      • bullshit! You atheists are as cruel and vindictive as Osama Bin Laden!

        Atheists are just crafty enough to look like they’re being oppressed when they’re not winning an argument.

        An Atheist would not say something offensive when they’re receiving an award for science because they’re cowards like that, but boy do they want to! They want to say “suck it!” to theists. Going to church never earned them an award, did it?

        Likewise, at a funeral, they’re not going to laugh out loud! They’re going to be smart about it. It’s the Atheist way. They’re going to pay lip service about how great that slab of meat was, so they don’t get shunned forever by people they keep around for the sake of boosting their egos- you have to live around idiots, right? Deep down, they’re not going to cry over a corpse, are they? Noooo.

        Preferably, Atheists would prefer to be cremated themselves. It’s smarter, more efficient, and less personal. No reason to cry over ashes, right? It’s not like the barbaric practice of burying the dead, oh no.

        Maybe I hit a nerve when I say how Atheism really is. Or maybe your version of Atheism stops only at the books you read and is not from the bottom of your heart because you want to feel the same things as a person who believe in God feels.

  • A lot of people here seem to assume that people believe in religion because they’re too dumb to think for themselves, but don’t consider that some people may actually believe in religion after reasoning for themselves that religion may be correct. I mean, I’ve met plenty of atheists who are retards, so it’s not like being atheist guarantees intelligence.

    • Nothing guarantees intelligence, genes give better odds though. Most(all?) of our behavior-patterns come from the people around us.

      Oh, and you can’t reason the existance of omnipotency ( as by reason it exists outside of reason 😉 ). Ofc you can verify that prayer doesn’t work (as has been verified already).

  • Furthermore, Atheists are only the way they are because they don’t want to follow any rules at all. And so they are embittered by the fact that they get no afterlife, since their own lives are only the present- they have no past nor do they have any future! It wouldn’t matter to them, science is progress and so progress can’t look back and has no use for speculating about the future, only the present.

    These people lack any sort of morals to question if progress at breakneck speed is good for humanity at all- They only exist for the novelties that science has to offer. Sure, medicine produced numerous cures for diseases, but that only serves as a reason to be less appreciative of life. The quality of life is lessened because of a sad attempt to become immortal, forever young, and happy with life on Earth, and to not prepare for any afterlife- the Atheist does not believe in an afterlife.

    The Atheist would read books, always to be critical, and to get together with other atheists with the sole purpose of mocking those who AREN’T atheist. They set up charities so they can prove that they are not immoral, but the only reason they set those up is to gain the trust of people and to try and evangelize their own sad anti-religion by presenting it as an easier path.

    Sadly, if Atheism is for the intelligent, there is only a handful of them. They are a minority. They HAVE to be oppressed, because these people can be an elite for so long before people are fed up with their whiny anti-religion, anti-theist bullshit that they try cramming down people’s throats in a manner not unlike certain religions.

  • The great irony of this is that in order for this study to have any merit you must accept the traditional views on IQ and, thus, become a traditionalist who by their definition is less intelligent. Anyone who has attended a University and has dealt with academics and so called intellectuals knows how stupid they are. I bullied virtually every single instructor I met into admitting that the entire system is a scam and that their courses were largely useless. These are the same people who run these “studies” and then circulate it within the academic community. Essentially it’s just one collective pat on the back that they use to justify their otherwise pointless and useless existence to society at large. On a side note, I’m a politically right wing atheist.

    • You’re completely right, these so-called “academics” and “intellectuals” are completely useless and should be done away with. Let’s go back to the dark ages and have no scientific progress for hundreds of years. Those were good times.

      • Academics and intellectuals are not responsible for human progress. Businesses and corporations are what fuel scientific development. Only a guy who has never been in the real world would fail to understand such a simple and obvious fact. I would suggest getting a real job instead of jacking off to your anime porn, then maybe you won’t sound like such a moron.

        • Why don’t you go ahead and educate me as to what a “real” political philosophy would be. Seeing as how you’re a student and you like to throw around simple terms you learned in your ethics class, I’m really not expecting much from you. While you’re at it, go ahead and paste a picture of yourself right next to your political philosophy so I can have a good laugh. Based on your typing style and viewpoint, I’m fairly certain even the most hardcore of Otaku on here would find the combination to be a real self esteem booster.

        • A real political philosophy? Why don’t you enlighten me as to what a real political philosophy might be. While you’re at it, go ahead and direct me to where I can find a picture of you. It always amuses me to see the train wreck that is your typical liberal pseudo-intellectual when his outlandish political and philosophical views are placed next to his picture. I’m sure it will be a real self esteem builder for even the most hardcore of otaku on here.

        • An Otakus Opiate says:

          Uh oh, we’ve got a Randian on our hands!

          I would suggest getting a real political philosophy instead of jacking off to your nonexistent capitalististic and libertarian heroes, then maybe you wouldn’t sound like such a misanthrope.

  • Socrates once stated that misanthropes are those who were optimistic and were continually disappointed to the effect that they would believe everyone is not worthy of any sort of friendship, and thus have to be destroyed.

    Perhaps atheists, in having been continually disappointed by tradition and the beliefs held by tradition have made them actively opposed to it.

    It is my personal belief that in being so overwhelmingly challenged and ridiculed for believing in God, despite my own flaws, I have come to the conclusion that every atheists have to die.

    Atheists have to die because you really can’t reason with these people.

    Where exactly do Atheists go after they die? It wouldn’t seem to matter, since they are just walking meat with holes for eating, fucking, drinking pissing, and shitting. That’s their only purpose in life. So there’s not much sense in these people being kept alive, and thus they have to die. Does Earth have any reason to let humanity exist? Not really. Does it matter if the Earth exists at all? Probably not. The Universe is just something that happens, according to Atheists. Sure, they’ll make these complicated justifications and accusations against people who believe in God, but they’re not putting forward any better alternatives- science, being amoral has become humanity’s instrument of self-destruction, and I am certain that Atheists will deny this, even when they suffer from radiation poisoning or vomiting their bowels from whatever stupidity they insist is human progress.

    That’s what Atheism is all about. It’s about nothing. Maybe a childish rationalization for rebelling against established authority and any responsibility to said authority. It’s all about individuality, and following what is subjectively right.

    Therefore, if all opinions are subjectively right, then it becomes a question of might making right to offset any sort of deadlock in conflicting opinions.

    Someone has to die.

    Communists had it right- You have these “liberators” marching into Tibet. At first they asked if they wanted to join the Communist Revolution. They said “no. We’re happy with Buddhism.” So the Chinese came with guns and turned the monasteries into brothels and flooded Tibet with Chinese settlers.

    This is Atheism. Why should they respect other peoples’ beliefs, they were better than everyone! It gives them a right to ridicule and step on the icons of religions. They’re the douchebags who go to the beach to topple kids’ sandcastles.

    I’m certain that they enjoy making religious people hurt. That’s what Atheists are all about.

    I have resolved to commit a holy crusade against those who attack religion. I commend those who attempt to do the same- it is a work of charity to put down the animals.

    • This is what happens when you allow the stupid majority of people to write what they think on the interwebz. Let’s try it this way;

      There are many reasons for mankind to invent gods.
      There are many civilisations who invented various kinds of gods/religions.
      Believers seem to hate believers from other religions (made by humans).
      Believers think their religion must be true. This is based solely on believing.
      Believers act like good people, because they fear the wrath of their god, not because they feel it’s right, like atheists do.
      Believing in god means do defy logical reasoning a.k.a. being stupid.

      Personally I don’t care if god exists or not. Doesn’t really matter to me. There are more important questions out there, like how to make people to not want to kill each other.

    • You’re a moron. When you die, it doesn’t matter where you go, because you are a corpse, a body in the process of decomposition.

      And if you’re talking about souls (obviously you are), then neither religious or non-religious people know where they go to because there isn’t any evidence of their existence to start with.

    • Long troll is loooooong.

      Also if religious people truly believe in a perfect afterlife, they should kill themselves so they get there as soon as possible rather than suffering through an imperfect world.
      And leave reality for the sane people who realise that one life is all we get.

      • I know that it is an angry, childish rebellion against authority. That is sufficient. Atheists may have prettier illusions about themselves, but violent anti-atheists such as myself know better than atheists what they are because we are not attached to atheism and so have no reason to protect it. (maybe just to keep it around as a punching bag.)

    • You’re exactly right. Atheism is a rebellion against the totalitarian authority that is the church.
      Oh, and way to sound intelligent in contradicting yourself. Now we know that religious people enjoy making “non-believers” hurt as well (as if we didn’t already).
      Enjoy your little short-lived crusade. Humanity is evolving and people like you are a dying breed of lesser men.

      • Atheism is a minority. What’s that? 54% of the world’s population follow an Abrahamic religion? And how many atheists? 16% That’s such a majority! I’m sure people who believe in God are trembling in their sleep because of SUCH A LARGE PERCENTAGE! Wow, maybe if people had better education, you can have 20%! Have faith! You’ll make it!

  • I would like to see his research, because it sounds rather flawed. For one thing I remember being very liberal when I was a student in college studying on scholarship, but I’m a good deal more conservative now that I’m a homeowner with a family. I hope his assertion isn’t that people become dumber with age…

    Religion I’ve never felt too important, though I find church and its influence exceedingly useful for emphasizing morality in the kids. Nothing encourages them more than a community of people that they can assume all follow the same code, even if whackjobs are hiding beneath the pretty parables.

    But that’s ok, they can learn the truth when they’re older, so long as they learn the basic morality while their young. 😉

    • Hate to be the one to say this, but people do become dumber with age. Here I’m not even talking about Alzheimer or diabetes, which come when we become really old.

      You don’t have to believe me, though. Search the internet, you’ll find plenty of sources on this.

        • That… doesn’t make any sense. Religion and atheism have been part of the world since humans first came into existence. They’ve always been in conflict and always will be. This whole “study” seems more like a way for “intellectuals” to give themselves a pat on the back and an excuse for elitism. “Look at those dumb religious people. Don’t they know there is no God and that all that awaits at the end of life is eternal nothingness? They’re too stupid to know how to take care of themselves and need us to be in charge!”

  • I think more intelligent people may be more prone to changes in thought – changing religious or political beliefs – than less intelligent people. But I think those changes can go either way.
    We have both Dawkins and C.S. Lewis.

  • It’s obvious. If you are intelligent, you form your own opinions and views. If not, you just follow tradition and organised religion, because you’re too dumb to think for yourself.

  • Although this scientific assertion is horribly generalising, it has at least a little bit of truth in it. One historical example is nazi germany. Many intellectuals, writers and actors who lived in Germany at that time were left-winged and had to emigrate in order to survive, or they decided to play along and hid their real views.

    • The flipside to that is that people with a high IQ are typically more booksmart than streetsmart – which is basically a polite way of saying that we tend to be more naive about the world, and get manipulated more easily as a result. There are also many that simply become elitist, which in my experience is as bad as fundamentalist.

      Being smarter doesn’t automatically mean we’d make better leaders – you still have to weigh up the person in question on their individual merits.

  • I despise religions on the basis of what I know of science.

    But if you think being leftist makes you smart that's just as crazy as anything any religious person ever told me.

    I actually do have a high IQ, and it helps me in saying that anything a psychologist has to say should be held suspect. Psychiatry is called a soft science for a reason.

    I have no special respect for a person based on political leanings. I've known as many morons that were left wingers as I have right wingers.

    And I've yet to meet a normal healthy male that won't stick his cock in an enticing cunt even if he doesn't own it.

    Wizard's First Rule. People are stupid. That was all inclusive by the way. Religious people don't own stupid, they just have a well established flavour of it.

    • An Otakus Opiate says:

      You consider psychology a science, albeit a “soft” one, and then go one to state that you take everything derived from the study of psychology with a grain of salt.

      Granted, psychology IS a science which, because of its study of human behavior and thus has inherent in it a certain degree of error, is much more difficult to investigate. However, you seem to be unquestioning of other discoveries and theories posited from other, “harder” sciences such as chemistry, physics, astronomy, and so on.

      People live under the misconception that scientific endeavors are hard-set rules that will never change; the reality is quite the opposite. Science is the unending pursuit of answers to questions. Even where one experiment may fail in proving or substantiating a theory, it will help to raise new inquiries and thus more scientific discovery.

      The death of skepticism will be the death of science. It is the basis upon which all men of science have conducted their experimentation since the Renaissance. I’m not implying that you should automatically disprove or disbelieve everything you hear; indeed, it is a healthy person who asks “Are you sure?” and examines the evidence whenever they are presented with new ideas, whether they be in the realm of psychology, chemistry, physics, or what have you.

      • Psychology is also the easiest science to manipulate considering all of the other variables that are difficult to control for and that fact that you can never get a true random sample in psychology.

        For instance in this study if their sample comes from a highly liberal area then its more likely that successful( more intelligent people)will adopt the views of those they work with who are probably also left wing.

    • “I actually do have a high IQ, and it helps me in saying that anything a psychologist has to say should be held suspect. Psychiatry is called a soft science for a reason.”

      Psychology is far from an exact science, but there is a significant amount of scientific research involved and the body of knowledge from the research has held true enough to be successfully applied in practical applications. While anything a psychologist has to say may be considered suspect, facts gleaned from a properly conducted study are still facts.

    • taduyducvn says:

      Religion is like communist, they want you to follow them, listen to them, and do what they said. They don’t want you to have any other religion because they want you to believe in only 1 god (from their religion). Religion like Christian was used for ruling beside it’s use for teaching in old age.

        • Anonymous @ 06:37

          Any particular deity conjured up by religious mythology has the same credibility and likelihood of existence as the Invisible Pink Unicorn. As such, I will give them the respect they deserve; i.e. none.

          We can sit around all day imagining the existence of a logically plausible “hidden god” – but we could equally examine the plausibility of Star Trek’s technology or the political disposition of Middle Earth, or any other fantasy we can come up with. It’s ultimately entirely pointless. There is nothing to “admit”. Unless there is some INDEPENDENT and OBJECTIVE evidence indicating the existence of such an entity, ghosts, goblins, bigfoot, gods, wizards, extra-terrestrials, and fire-breathing dragons all get the same level of credibility – none.
          Any of the above could conceivably exist, but until we have some solid and reliable evidence to go on, it makes very little sense to put any stock in them.

          And of course people who happen to be religious can still be as smart or smarter than any other given person who lacks religious belief. Religion is an insidious delusion that affects even people who are otherwise highly intelligent. It is simply a fact that the more intelligent and educated a person is, the more likely they are to realise that religious myths are complete rubbish.

        • That is a bad argument. Zeus has a worldly home, not a spiritual or heavenly one. Anyone can go to Mount Olympus and tell that he doesn’t exist.

          Now, if you wanted to be a good troll you could of chose many of the Egyptian gods that people clam Jesus came from because of mucked up back-stories by bias “journalist” or you could of stuck with the time-honored “God came from a (insert country here) volcano god!” theory.

          Either way, most the teeny and twitysomething Atheist fags on the internet are to bias to admit that there is solid thinking behind a hidden God or that someone religious can be just as smart, if not as smart as they are. They are all too busy conforming to what the Illuminati says is open-minded instead of being truly open-minded and considering all alternatives.

      • @02:37
        “How on earth has science disproved religion? Have you discovered some method to empirically test the non-empirical?”

        Science cannot disprove an undetectable entity which chooses not to reveal itself. However, like the Invisible Pink Unicorn it is stupid to presume it exists just because we can’t prove it doesn’t.
        We can, however, objectively determine that religious mythology is obviously fiction invented by primitive tribes people who didn’t know any better, and assert with significant confidence that the human-invented gods depicted in the myths do not actually exist. We can also prove specific testable claims made by religions as being false. For example, all three major monotheistic dogmas accept the story of Noah’s Flood in their canon. A massive-scale worldwide global flood simply DID NOT OCCUR as depicted in the Bible and other religious texts. (And even if it did, all it would demonstrate is that their God is an asshole). Since we know that, at the very least, this event never occurred than their religious canon is fallible and that any subsequent claims can be treated as highly suspect. Non-literalist believers accept the science, but choose to interpret the Bible as being non-literal but largely true. These people are more rational than fundamentalists, but still intellectually dishonest. If one part of the supposedly divinely inspired holy book is incorrect, how can they possible believe the rest of it without independent supporting evidence?

        Testable parts of the Bible (and other religious texts) are wrong, and there is no reason to believe that the untestable bits have any more validity than dose already disproven.

  • As understood by many psychologists, IQ tests have a fundamental flaw: You can measure how much someone knows, but you can’t measure just really how intelligent (ability to reason) a person is. A person could be intelligent in only certain areas, but given the opportunity, could master others. Lack of knowledge does not equate to stupidity. It does however show that that person has not been opened to such concepts.

    Those with closed minds are less likely to venture out and try new things/ideas. Those with open minds tend to see the world as a place where possibilities are yet to be discovered/accomplished. Even atheists should be open to the possibility of a god, just not necessarily the god conceived by established religions.

    • Actually you can. A lot of IQ tests do include knowledge questions – and I’ve known that knowledge does not equate to intelligence since I was about 10.

      However it is possible to demonstrate reasoning and problem-solving abilities with puzzles and other tests that do not rely on trivia.
      The only point in trivia questions would be to test how good a person is at absorbing knowledge.

    • taduyducvn says:

      Very interesting comment. I am an atheist, just like you said, i can be open to have a god if there are proof for god’s existence. But there are none. Christianity and Islamic has been closed people too much, it make people become more conservative. Hitler killed Jews, for example. There are problem that cause by religion. I’m currently working in the Philippines and I see a lot of family whose having no food for their children because they have like 9 or 10 child in their family (because they believe in Christianity, which teach, kids are gift from god), But did god really give them any food? without food, without supply to raise those kid, they are northing but burden to their parent. Who’s fault?

      • The useless crocodile politicians here in the Philippines are afraid of giving people free condoms & other forms of contraceptives. They fear that the church will criticize them..

        Just proves how illogical religions are..

        and they try to stagnate scientific revolutions in general

      • AsakuraZero says:

        its the parents fault, you have to think in what are you doing, if you have 10 child and you cant support them its your fault, you ignored circumstance and those people is paying for that.

        life is a bitch, people should never follow anything without thinking about it first, religion is just for reflection.

      • Random Guy says:

        This is one of those glass half full situations.

        Bad things fall upon everyone whether good or bad we need to realize that. Its how you deal with the situation that is important. Dealing with things with love and patience rather than hate and spite is what God really wants. For you to act like Him.

      • I am a deist (former Christian), understanding that if such a god existed, you are right in thinking it is a horrible thing to let such things happen. However, it is hard to believe a god would be partial, or even have control over such things that are more caused by human action than a divine source. Many religions have had inner fighting. In such wars, does god really choose sides? There’s more at work than divine sorts.

        So in this plane, there is virtually no evidence to support such existence; however, existence itself is still something science cannot come to a complete and resolute answer and may have been brought about by a source unobtainable/unreachable from this reality. I can’t help shake the feeling that there may be a being on a higher level, but it is elusive. For anyone to think that they have the right idea is more than likely wrong. This delusion often leads to such acts of conflict.

        It is mankind’s lot in life to suffer, often as a result of mankind unable to obtain knowledge/resources beyond their reach. Giving people such things that are out of reach is like giving a kid a cookie from the cookie jar on the top shelf. It’s a slice of heaven on earth and can be viewed as a blessing. Too many cookies and the child loses the gratification of being able to obtain the item. The blessings of many living tend to be overlooked. The value of human life seems to be deteriorating in many ways and it is unfortunate for those who came into this world under lesser circumstance, only to be molded under the influence of those who are continuously saying the religion which they believe is right.

  • I think its normal to be curious and actively searching for change then to be “traditional”. Perhaps you are considering normal people to be consistent with your point of view, which seems to be not the case. Instead of calling normal people stupid and insipid, consider yourself only in your generalization.

    • I think you Americans confuse these things. Liberalism is not always leftist philosophy.
      Liberalism and communism are very far from each other, direct opposites. Liberalism includes the idea of free-thinking, while communists believe blindly in their holy books (by Karl Marx), as does religious conservatives who believe blindly in their Bible. Communists are in fact other type of conservatives. Communists in Europe have always thought this as economical politics issue, they think Liberalism = Capitalism. That`s also wrong.
      Both Capitalism and Socialism can be liberal.
      That wasn`t the case in Soviet Russia, because of despotic tradition of how to rule people.

    • We will never know. The communism employed by the Soviet Union and China were both imperfect forms since they altered many of the original ideas of communism. As such, the original ideas of communism have never been tested.

    • Lionofjudah says:

      If you mean the Communist Russians or Chinese, their leadership system was a religion in itsself. They dd a great job fooling the populace into believing they were free from the intoxicating effect of religion, but the truth is the methodology was the same. Modern North Korea is a example of the same, though a bit less subtle.

      Plenty of Atheists worship surrogate gods- Money, Sex, Scientific Progress, etc. Being one myself I find it hard to belong to any sort of community because the range of philosophical beliefs within the greater sphere is too varied. That said, I wouldn’t trade my beliefs (which lean toward Taoist) for anything.

  • AsakuraZero says:

    i pretty much agree on the behavior of higher IQ person is different, they think more, they see different things, they look for different paths.

    but that is only when their potential its not clouded with stupidity and hive behavior which happens alot with the right wing and the religious fags.

    im right wing yet im agnostic( not a strict one but pretty much its describes how i think)

  • Marine-RX179 says:

    More like giving an excuse to those that are non-religious a false sense of superiority, just like those (guys) that are convinced that having lost their virginity make them superior to those that haven’t.

    • Sarissofoi says:

      You are right.
      And yeah meyby leftist are more inteligent(but when I look when socialized UE and USA coming I have many reasons to not belive in that) but that not making them right.

    • Since 10 years old I sistematicly tried to argue religion to my mother and anyone else who thougt to be smarter just becouse they beleved in god and were leading a model life style.

      My mother cracked about an year ago now I’m almost 19 and the world is starting to realise the same thing.

      PS
      Atheists were always repressed by the religiuos fags it’s only fair to finally turn the tables! ^^

    • Hmm… Many “liberals” of the past degenerated into totalitarian socialist states, or are degenerating into totalitarian socialist states. I fail to see how that makes them more intelligent.

      Despite being a Libertarian atheist myself, the fact remains that the largest monsters in the last 100 years responsible for the most human misery are atheistic leftist socialist like Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot, and Hitler falls into that group fairly well himself being more of a cultist and a socialist then a follower of a main stream religion.

      Leftist are not progressive anymore.

      • On placebos, you understimate how much power the mind holds over the body. While it can not do anything drastic, anything the human body is normally capable of can be triggered with placebos.

        It’s not going to be a miracle cure, or really help with serious illness, but it can trick someone into being drunk, or activate natural pain killers in the brain. (Which are said to be just as effective as over-the-counter pain killers, mind you)