“Most Otaku Want 3D Women, Not 2D”

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An article proclaiming that most otaku settle for 2D only after failing to get 3D has predictably ignited a storm of controversy amongst otaku.

The article as published in business rag Nikkei BP:

The government is trying to reverse the decline in the birth rate to no avail. Because half of all men aged 30-34 are unmarried. In Japanese society, those who are unmarried rarely have children. So, to stop the decline in the birth rate, making marriage easier is necessary.

And the group furthest away from marriage is that of the otaku. I don’t think most otaku are in love with 2D characters. I think if they could, they would go with 3D, that is to say a human woman.

But to court a human woman, a certain amount of technique and experience is required. In particular there are men who become profoundly hurt through dating rejection, or who are possessed of introverted personalities, and who thus have no other option but to flee to 2D for their romantic needs.

And once they have stepped into the world of 2D, it is a very comforting place. 2D characters aren’t fickle, they don’t lie or betray you like real women. Consequently drawing otaku back into the world of 3D is exceedingly difficult.

However, if we cannot do this Japanese society has no future.

He can perhaps be excused for the ridiculous hyperbole at the end – even stretching the definition of otaku to its limits is unlikely to yield more than a few million such souls in Japan; Japan’s marriage and birth rate problems are indisputably mainstream social issues, and otaku are but a fringe element of that.

It should also be noted that similar drastic declines in birth rate are well in evidence in a number of developed and developing nations, so clearly Japan is merely an advanced case of a trend linked to profound social changes the world over – fretting over otaku is unlikely to be addressing anything other than an outlying symptom of these changes.

It is also notable that he is unwilling to incorporate the exceedingly hostile attitude of women to otaku or poor men into his explanation.

Naturally, 2ch has something to say about all this:

Right!

No way!

They just run to 2D because no one’ll have them.

Why is he saying something so obvious so pompously?

Men and women’s expectations of the opposite sex have just become way too high, and they can no longer have children as a result – so they flee to 2D.

Bringing out your pet theories is all very well, but quit mixing it up with a “consensus of opinion.”

Have sex with 3D, live with 2D?

With guts you can date the opposite sex. But marrying and having children takes more. You need money above all else, and not many people have it.

There’s nothing to gain from facing up to an ugly reality.

Stick to economics and stop pretending to understand this stuff.

What’s up with this creepy old guy pretending to be the representative of all otaku?

With artificial ova on the horizon, progress in 2D and ona-holes, who needs women?

It’s not that they compromise with 2D after failing to get 3D. They compromise by going with 3D as they can’t go with 2D.

Of course he’s right. How can you love 2D? You can’t even have a conversation.

Go with the sex trade for 3D. To satisfy the heart go with 2D.

Saying you’ve no interest in 3D is just a defence mechanism. Just an excuse to make yourself seem less wretched.

2D and 3D are both just electrical signals in the brain. Thus there is no essential difference between the two.

I like both 2D and 3D; saying only one or the other is good is just intolerance.

2D 3D
Cost: Purchase + electricity 99% of your wages
Food: Will eat with you Is asleep when you get back from work
Holidays: Always with you Forces you to visit parents
Memory: Can freely save and load Only remembers husband’s weaknesses
Warmth: Depends on monitor “Don’t touch me”
Soothing: Will soothe you Will complain if not soothed
Appearance: Beautiful, no degradation (depends on artist) Depends on makeup, degradation apparent
Virginity?: Depends on preference Essentially not
Land mines: Mental damage only Can take financial and mental damage
Husband’s income: Doesn’t care “That’s the barometer of a man, isn’t it?”
Duration: Depends on preference Until death or divorce


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    Comment by Anonymous
    19:27 27/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Female here, I can get a guy any time I want, but I don't because I will always love my 2D husbandos.

    3D: Will burp, scratch his nuts, leave the toilet seat up, and leave his dirty clothing on the bathroom floor:

    2D: Cleans up after himself, always keeps himself well-trimmed.

    3D: Will notice if you've gained a few pounds, eyes your now chubbier ass and may comment if you can't fit in your jeans as well

    2D: Will love you however you are

    3D: Expects you to wake up with make-up on, but then complains if you take too long prettying yourself up.

    2D: Will wait however long it takes, but doesn't care if you look natural or not.

    3D: Watches porn, has a nasty, perverted mind.

    2D: Has eyes only for you.

    3D: Not a virgin, probably lost it when he hit 14 or 15.

    2D: Cute virgin

    3D: Threatened if you make more than he does, won't be a househusband

    2D: Is willing to let you take the reins or stay at home, whatever makes you happy.

    I have so many more. Need I go on?

    Comment by Anonymous
    21:44 27/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    "I can get a guy any time I want"

    I can infer from numerous clauses of your lists that you in fact cannot. At least be honest. The list itself was basically expectable. Also, try and compare this to the 2D vs 3D girls list and you will likely see some pretty horrible similarities with many clauses being so identical between lists that they paradoxically cancel each other out.

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:17 11/11/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    What game is this? 8D

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:03 28/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    "I can get a guy any time I want"

    Pics or it didn't happen.

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:25 28/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Haha, based on what you think about 2D, you seem to be relatively more perverted than the average man. Also, based on what you said about gaining pounds, you are probably not very attractive.

    Well, there are men that have none of the qualities you dislike. Those men, however, are far in between, and no - they don't want you.

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:16 28/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    I don't want them either. 3D pig disgusting.

    2D men for me. <3

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:45 02/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    All otaku are essentially the same.

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:35 01/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    ...and 2d gals for me^^ now everyone's happy ;)

    Comment by Anonymous
    19:32 27/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Oh yeah, and additional reasons why a husbando is superior:

    3D: Lasts three minutes in bed, doesn't care about your pleasure and thinks the female orgasm is a myth

    2D: Fucks you until the both of you are satisfied

    3D: Doesn't respect or try to understand feminism (Read: Feminism, not feminazism) and the fact that women have it harder.

    2D: Realizes that women have come a long way, but society still has an unacceptably harsh view on how women should look to be beautiful

    3D: Won't open up to you, doesn't care how your day went

    2D: Will listen and actually talk to you like a human being and give advice

    Comment by Aiko Goddess
    01:20 28/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    I know a few men in world (I can count them with the fingers of one hand) that care about how your day went xD...

    A few xD

    But they are still better than 2d xD

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:12 28/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    The reason being that nice guys don't generally get any women. So not all men are pigs, just the ones women are willing to date.

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:57 28/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Well said, anon.

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:49 28/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    I agree, partially. But your comment about feminism, or rather, that women "have it harder" is comically ignorant. I expect that you've lived both the lives of a man and a woman? Since you seem to know which is more difficult.

    Anyways, I agree that 2D < 3D for a partner, be it a man or a woman (or a hermaphrodite or w/e).

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:17 28/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Well, I know for sure women have it harder where I live, but I guess I shouldn't have made the sweeping generalization, no.
    But in general, white men have it the easiest in America and most everywhere else.

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:39 02/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    I'm willing to guess you live in a western country, not in Asia or specifically the Middle-East...

    You're STILL making the same sweeping generalization, I see. If you're not willing to find out whether it really is women or men who have it harder, but rather stay loyal to your original beliefs, that's fine. But I can assure you - both women and men have their own problems due to their gender, and it's almost impossible to find out who has it worse.

    Comment by Anonymous
    20:29 26/10/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    Well, I'm a white man, and near the bottom of the economic and social ladders. It's damned hard and only getting harder. Stop whining. Whatever your situation, I doubt it's because of your skin color or gender.

    Comment by Anonymous
    22:58 27/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Oh, please
    go back to kitchen

    Comment by Anonymous
    23:11 27/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Butthurt anon detected @ 22:58.

    Comment by Anonymous
    19:21 27/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    I have 2D husbandos because I won't settle for 3D pig disgusting men.

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:17 28/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    It's actually husubandos or something similar, since "s" that isn't followed by a vowel isn't a native sound in Japanese.

    Comment by Anonymous
    18:01 27/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    "You go girl!" Feminism encouraged women to put their own desires above the needs of a relationship or society. It is only natural that men adopt this paradigm and put their own desires above the needs of a relationship or society. "You go guy!"

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:29 28/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    "I think if they could, they would go with 3D, that is to say a human woman."

    Highlights: I think.

    Comment by Anonymous
    20:32 26/10/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    2D loli = comforting fantasy

    3D loli = hard time (prison)

    So, 2D, yeah. Definitely 2D.

    Comment by Aiko Goddess
    01:18 28/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Oh, 2d it's ok for anime and videogames...
    But nothing is better than a hug and a whisper saying "I love you"... So 3D is better for me xD

    And if japanese women only want money, so whatever... every girl wants money, but there are things way more important for me... Go to work, you bitches!

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:46 28/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    developed country´s with birth rate problems should ENFORCE RAPE, if you are a male over 13, you must rape atleast 1 girl monthly or face life time prison.

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:57 28/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    That would be cool... until you'd have to rape fugly women.

    05:10 28/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    rules:
    2)ENFORCE PLASTIC SURGERY, if you are fugly.
    ...Now its better...although I would prefer natural beauty but ignore it. Better than raping fugly women/

    Comment by Reborn25
    23:48 27/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    99.9% of your income.
    Who came up with that stat??

    Comment by Anonymous
    06:43 28/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    If you're quoting the chart in the article, it's actually 99%.

    And to answer your question... it's probably Anonymous.

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:50 27/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    so i have the choice of staying single (or a bachelor) with all 2D and the best that life can offer or, find a girl, get hitched and have a mortgage to pay for 20 years and a pack of animals to feed?

    i think ill take the first option.

    Comment by cooldown3
    10:40 27/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    I am a newcomer to posting here but I am glad to see an active discussion about current Japanese culture.
    It is a difficult thing to discuss without taking a big picture approach.
    Things Fall Apart is a book written by a respected african novelist which described the slow loss of culture in his tribe the Igbo ethnic group in Nigeia.
    Chinua Achebe described the influence on social mores that were dissolved by the coming of christianity and of the introduction of the bicycle.
    There is an excelent article on wikipedia.
    Cheers,
    Patrick

    Comment by Anonymous
    11:02 27/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    2d to the end dealing with real women is just to hard to deal with sinc emost don't like Otaku anyway. at least a 2d girl won't make to feel like crap!

    Comment by Anonymous
    11:17 27/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    people are being too needlessly optimistic for hooking up those that are not meant to be together. Love clearly isnt for everyone. not evryone gets fairy tale endings or good relationships. that's why so many kill themselves in Japan among other shit

    Comment by Anonymous
    11:06 27/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    i'm almost wondering why dont some of these otaku dont just go gay or something and date each other since they understand each other's dillemma. it might not be sexy but creepy otaku love ftw...?????

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:10 17/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    because we dont have a sink mind like you?
    Oh yeah..if ur gf cheats on you,dont cry ok?

    Oh yeah..if you lose ALL of your money on shoes,makeup,clothes for her,dont complain to somebody that your losing your house ok?

    Or that your mum didnt teach you right.

    Just saying...dont throw all Otakus in a big boat...
    i consider myself an Otaku,but alot of girls still talke to me,sadly i dont get a gf because im not a sex-crazed idiot like you...or because i actually value what a girl is,aswell as think that the when you call someone your girl friend,the minimum time with each other should be at least 5 months,oh wait i forgot...im not a playa...have a nice day...and i cant wait untill girls use you too as a slave ....good luck ^^

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:49 27/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    I love that reductionistic line of thinking which holds that otaku turn to 2D because something is wrong with them. The fact is, we live in a world where you can do everything right and still fail.

    Nothing is ever so simple that it can be reduced to "X, therefore Y." Finding oneself in a loving relationship is the result of a myriad of processes both obvious and obscure, and sheer random happenstance is far from being the least of these.

    As they say, "shit happens." Not everyone is fortunate enough to be in the sort of life circumstances that make a relationship possible. Does that mean that anything is wrong with such a person? No. That's just the way the world works.

    Sadly, though, we can't trade this world for a different one. Shit sucks.

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:42 27/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Its not a lie or misconception that your income for many woman is a meter of sorts. These a re the kind of woman I stay away from though, they'll spend you out of house and home for new shoes.

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:32 27/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Wow no advantages of 3D at all, hm. There is one advantage of 3D if you were to happen to break both your arms and legs. 2D, nothing will aid you still retain your broken arms and legs, while 3D there's a marginal chance that someone may help you marginally.

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:13 27/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    2D>3D nuff said.

    Comment by Anonymous
    11:56 27/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Let the Japs die out then the Chinese, Koreans and Filipinos replace em. That's the perfect revenge for WW2!! Well, the Japs are just asking for it: higher salaries for old people, high pension for old people and very strict immigration laws. If I were a Jap, I'll not work for those old bastards!!!

    Comment by Anonymous
    Comment by xaeroak15
    13:42 27/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Well you can live in 2D via pierceing some channels in to your brain

    Comment by Uncommon0taku
    11:58 27/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    laughs his ass off,
    falls out of his chair still laughing.

    ... the analysis it pretty accurate.

    I mean the last part where the reality in comparison lays it out in harsh truth of the matter.

    I'll settle for 2D, I've tried 3D females, unfortunately there aren't a whole lot available in my neck of the woods. Oh sure there are a lot of divorced homely looking ones with a boat load of ugly kids.
    But thats besides the point.

    Most of the cute ones are either already taken, or are simply not into you (since those are most likely too young {& illeagal} anyway).
    Then there are the gold diggers,... but that is pretty self explanitory.

    2D and you can keep your sanity.

    Comment by Anonymous
    14:31 27/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    2D and you can keep your sanity...

    and most importantly, be financially secure.

    Hate to break to you 3D lovers, but 50% of the modern marriages these days end in divorce. 35% of the remaining marriages stayed married because of the children.

    The chances of a MALE surviving a modern day marriage with one's finances intact is worse than playing Russian Roulette. :lol:

    Number of failed marriages I have encountered among my kins and relatives so far: 16. (My parents are divorced, btw. So are my 4 cousins that are close to my age. That's 4 cousins out of 7 married ones...

    The remaining divorces are spread among my elder relatives.

    I haven't even start counting the divorces of my peers, associates and friends. And guess what, these divorces are happening among my PMEB friends, not some hobos with no money in their pockets. But some of them do look like hobos after the divorce. :p

    Comment by Anonymous
    15:09 27/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    >The chances of a MALE surviving a modern day marriage with one's finances intact is worse than playing Russian Roulette. :lol:

    Not quite. According to your figures, "50% of the modern marriages these days end in divorce, and 35% of the REMAINING marriages stayed married because of the children" (my emphasis). It looks like you're assuming that means that only 15% of marriages turn out well, given that the odds of surviving a proper game of Russian Roulette (assuming a revolver with a 6-round magazine) are 1 in 6, or 16.667%.

    However, percentages don't work that way. 35% of the remaining 50% of marriages is, in fact, just 17.5% of the total. Ergo, only 67.5% of marriages turn out badly, and 32.5% turn out healthy -- according, again, to your figures.

    That means you're roughly TWICE as likely to survive a marriage with your finances intact as you are to survive a game of Russian Roulette.

    Just sayin'.

    Comment by Anonymous
    19:23 27/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Objection!

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:54 27/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    The odds of survival in a game of Russian Roulette is actually 5 in 6. You only load one bullet into the gun, not five...

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:37 28/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    >The odds of survival in a game of Russian Roulette is actually 5 in 6. You only load one bullet into the gun, not five...

    Oh, damn. I should've though about that one just a little bit more. :facepalm:

    Comment by Anonymous
    16:35 27/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    You can't argue with a statistician. I'm speechless.

    Comment by Anonymous
    12:08 27/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    women need to stop being so f-ing difficult!

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:44 25/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    all this debate about relationships alrdy shows how too much we expect frm the opposite sex, nothing is ever simple like pure love anymore, the kind where u overlook petty details and work together as a couple to bond.then again this is the corporate world we live in. we just complicate ourselves.

    Comment by YuTheOtaku
    12:22 02/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    just stupid to compare ~_~ sex > fap
    but 3D comes with alot of baggage afterward. So it's not that people think 2D is better, it's just not worth the trouble going after 3D.

    Comment by Anonymous
    15:31 02/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Newsflash: life COMES with a lot of baggage, whether you want it or not. This is just your (every 2D lovers') excuse to run away and not face responsibilities like any normal human being. That's why you all cower in your rooms or imagine being with your 2D wives while you fondle yourselves every day.

    Comment by YuTheOtaku
    02:56 03/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    its a choice, you say "run away" like it's a bad thing. Humans always consider all the possibilities before making their decisions. Some people might just want 3D for the physical pleasure and not the emotional, some want the emotional. It's just preference.

    Comment by Anonymous
    12:24 03/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Because it is. It's cowardice. If everyone were like you, the world won't progress to where it is now. It's people like you who are baggage.

    Comment by Anonymous
    07:50 28/04/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    Says the Otaku who hides behind the tag of Anonymous. Cowardice is a lengthy shadow, and you my complaining fellow human cast a very long one.

    Comment by Anonymous
    12:53 12/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    i would perfer 2D at least they never ages....

    Comment by Anonymous
    06:06 11/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Bull. Women making the SAME job as a guy will be paid considerably less. And in most cases, no matter how competent they are or how hard they work and are willing to sacrifice family and provate life and all, they will NEVER be offered high responsibility jobs.
    Only in Japanese branches of foreign companies, do women actually have a chance of an actual career.

    It's easy for you to spew that garbage without knowing the facts, but the truth is quite nasty.

    Doesn't excuses some people's "boyfriend must be rich!" attitudes, but it certainly is something that should be mentioned as a factor.

    Comment by tyciol
    00:12 12/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    I love 3D women, but I disagree with his stereotype that we prefer them.

    I think it tends to vary, like anything. Some real women might be more appealing than some anime characters, but clearly vice versa is also true.

    Until we have met every animu character and every real girl, it is hard to say.

    I think it also depends on your mood and current mindset. Some of us may have observed 'modes' and so forth where you're more interested in interacting with real people versus zoning out and watching a TV.

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:13 12/06/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    Agreed, most otakus would get a 3D girl if they could but that is ONLY because 2D girls are literally unattainable. 3D have the advantage of actually being real and therefore can stimulate nerves that 2D can't.

    Ironically, even if 2D girls were real they wouldn't want you anyways. Even 2D girls have standards and considering that most main characters are actually pretty damn handsome and have deal with the "event flags", their standards are likely pretty damn high.

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:36 02/05/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    I'd prefer to die solo than to marry one of those fugly biatchez @_@

    Comment by Neferius
    10:48 16/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    GOD, this is Pathetic, can we not tell the differance between Reality and Fiction anymore.

    Here's the 411:
    Any 2D Character is merly an Emulation of an Ideal person. Subsequently this induces a natural raise of Standards, but here lies NOT the underlying Problem.
    The Real problem is that people find themselves less and less capable of coping with the harsh Reality, and thus find Refuge within their own Fantesies, ultimately leading to addiction.

    The Big differance between Cyber-addiction and let's say Drug-use is that there is NO phisical factor ensnaring the User, which means He/She really CAN quit whenever they want, the main problem with that being the herein lack of Motivation to do so...

    Nobody wants to live in a Broken World :(

    Comment by Anonymous
    22:34 25/07/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    The comments section bothers me a lot. I didn't know 2D vs. 3D was such a serious issue.

    Comment by Anonymous
    22:46 25/07/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    I get it now. The people in this comments section are mostly extreme cases of otaku, hence the opinion of 2D > 3D. This is because the sampling does not come from a completely randomized population, hence most comments are logical arguments in favor of imagination and the realization of the ideal that is within one's hand in the form of 2D waifus.

    In the real world, however, there are people who have absolutely no problems with 3D. Many of them. And since they have a normal social life and non-otaku interests, they do not flock to websites such as these.

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:15 12/04/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    in this day and age is there really such a thing as a human woman?..sluts, whores and feminists dont count as women

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:34 22/08/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Can we get a new picture please?! Don't Japanese women know how to blow their noses?!!!

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:46 01/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    people are superficial. thats the problem.

    Comment by Anonymous
    04:59 28/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    lol that's what happens when you give women freedom. The freedom to choose who they want to be with. Rejected men are left with the fugly leftovers, which they would rather not touch. Who would have guessed that giving women freedom would doom an entire country? haha

    Comment by Anonymous
    07:36 28/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    "Who would have guessed that giving women freedom would doom humanity?"

    fixed

    Comment by Anonymous
    14:06 28/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    blaming ur problems on sum1 else, 2 ignorants..... whoever gave birth 2 u, i feel sorry 4 them .....

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:33 01/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    All you people who say that 2D is better than 3D, enjoy your hands. I could understand how you can appreciate the beauty of a fictious character, but what about the realization that s/he'll never be able to love or appreciate you? No matter how much time you spend on her/him, no matter how much you try to touch their heart, you'll never reach them. They'll never love you with all their heart, never even know you exist. Their every word, every action is just the result of another person's imagination. Without depth. Fiction only goes so far. If you ever knew the love of a good person, then you'd know the value of it. It's something worth pursuing, and I hope y'all will find it one day. And you seem to be stuck at old sterotypes, like men being ignorant pigs without emotions, and women being snobby, uncaring and needy. Go out and meet people, damn it.

    Comment by Anonymous
    20:50 26/10/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    It's all about MY imagination. I reach their heart because I imagine I do. Not the product of someone ELSE'S imagination, but MINE. Depth beyond the 3D world, because it is MY depth.

    BTW, I am constantly out meeting people. That's a good part of why 2D is better for ME. Glad you find what you want in the 3D world. I don't, so leave me alone.

    Comment by Anonymous
    13:12 01/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    >>but what about the realization that s/he'll never be able to love or appreciate you? No matter how much time you spend on her/him, no matter how much you try to touch their heart, you'll never reach them. They'll never love you with all their heart, never even know you exist.

    Au contraire; that's the beautiful thing about fiction. I simply imagine that she knows and loves me, and that makes it as true as anything else about her. Easy as that. I don't get why this is such a difficult concept.

    >>Go out and meet people, damn it.

    First, people will have to make a good case that they're worth going out to meet. I've seen no evidence of this so far.

    Comment by Anonymous
    22:06 01/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Reading all the replies made me realize just how narrow-minded those who espouse 2D > 3D people here are.

    All of you initially assume that all women want is to get all of your money and leech off you, when in fact any decent woman who is worth a damn works and pays for what she wants. My girlfriend (and future fiancee; I will be proposing to her come end of this year) appreciates it when I give her a gift but more often than not, if she wants that new dress or that new bag, she uses money she earns for it. If all women you lot know are just money-grabbing gold diggers, then I feel bad for you, really, but categorizing all women as money-grubbing witches is most probably just a sad excuse for some of you guys to justify being lonely and, quite frankly, pathetic.

    >> First, people will have to make a good case that they're worth going out to meet. I've seen no evidence of this so far.

    How about my own case? I regularly go out and meet new people, whether we click or not is not the point. Sure sometimes we hit it off, sometimes we don't, but I'm in a relationship going three years now with a girl who also happens to like several of the same things I like: grunge, the occasional anime, action movies. We still love each other now the same way we did when I confessed to her that I like her a lot three years ago. And yes, it IS a whole new experience snuggling with another warm, human being on a lazy afternoon.

    Or how about my parents? My father got the courage to ask for my mom's hand. That's, what, 30 years or so ago? And surprise surprise, they're still together and happy raising all four of us kids into fine young people. They get the usual fights, of course, but hey, that's what a relationship is about. You exchange views, you discover things about other people, you fill each of yourselves with them. You interact, and mark each other's lives with experiences you spend together.

    And no, you can't do that with animaginary/fictional/2D character no matter how much you want it to.

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:31 02/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Of course I get your point anons, since I'm actually not one to talk myself, but it still feels so artificial to me. No matter how vivid the imagination, I'll always feel my devotion is wasted on someone who'll never know it. If it makes you happy though then I guess it's completely up to you and I'm sorry if I came off as rude for questioning it.. I just hope that you won't give up 3D girls for good, so to say, just be open. There are many girls out there who're looking for someone special, and you just might be that person.

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:37 01/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    ^^ very good point!

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:36 01/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    "but what about the realization that s/he'll never be able to love or appreciate you? "

    that is why we have an imagination, my friend.

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:05 28/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    3D is pig-disgusting; wouldn't want it even if I could get it. 2D is beautiful and pure. If I can just die in the loving, imaginary embrace of my little cartoon waifu, I will be the happiest man in the world.

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:42 01/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    >>If I can just die in the loving, imaginary embrace of my little cartoon waifu, I will be the happiest man in the world.

    >>which is why i would die a very happy man

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:39 28/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    so you admit that you can't get a girl?

    whatever man. if you wanna die alone and "happy" then who am i to stop you but that seems like a pretty sad way to live. plus a "loving, imaginary embrace" is impossible because it's imaginary. as in, it's not real.

    2d is nice to look at, but that's it. but what do i know? after all i'm here on sankaku, too, right?

    Comment by Anonymous
    20:45 26/10/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    It's all just electrical input into the brain, man. "Reality" is what you experience, wherever it comes from. Energy and information are all that exists. 2D = 3D, idealized.

    Comment by Anonymous
    18:13 28/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    >>so you admit that you can't get a girl?

    Yeah, so? I'm not ashamed of being unable to get a 3D girl, because 3D is fail.

    As for the rest, I've got a pretty vivid imagination. Why settle for less?

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:39 01/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    3D enthusiasts are less evolved than 2D lovers, that's why. besides, why would you even need real people to love when your imagination is very handy?

    Comment by Anonymous
    15:31 28/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Let evolution handle the problem. Chicks which refuse to get married, have sex and bear children will be wiped out from the gene pool. Hopefully, the children of "fertile" women will be less immune to whatever-stupid-idea-of-marrying-only-rich-men mentality.

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    Comment by Nin
    03:33 27/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Anonymous said:
    I thinks its obvious, you can't fuck a virtual character

    This Anon is oblivious.

    Comment by Nin
    03:33 27/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    The 2D vs 3D table is win. And pretty accurate.

    Comment by chriselric
    03:32 27/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    I love how there is always this portrayal that otaku go to 2-D because they are unsuccesful with women, intimidated, or other such pathetic reasons.

    Maybe some of them are just like me, and prefer 2-D JUST because they look better in every way AND can tolerate going without real intercourse for copious amounts of time. Sex is more intimate and yeah in general it is just better- but I can fap any time I feel like, and I have to EARN sex. More so if I want sex with someone atractive. And given the differences of quality between the two, I'd say for the most part, it's not worth it.

    Furthermore, anyt individual preference can be expressedin 2-D and be readily available whenever. Like big tits? Do a search you'll find plenty. Like small breasts? You'll find that too. Really thin? Chubby? Tall? Short? Underage? Old? Long Hair? Short Hair?

    Anything essentially. Just like mainstream porn - but if you have a preference for the way 2-D looks and can deal with it's flaws, well there you have it.

    And fuck declining birth rates. The world is so fucking unsustainable, I couldn't give two shits about that. Let's just get more Indians and Chinese into 2-D rather than Westerners, Japanese or Koreans. We can still use more of those.

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:03 27/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    if only there is something to reduce people's expectations of each other...

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:37 27/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Well, you can start by plucking out their eyes, that will seriously reduce people's expectations.

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:37 27/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Lots of Beer.

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:51 27/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Clearly the Japanese government needs to remove tax on beer, and, further, subsidise it, so it's really cheap for all!

    Comment by Anonymous
    16:32 27/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Sake taste horrible and it's more expensive than beer.

    Comment by Darkrockslizer
    07:15 27/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    They have sake.

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:56 27/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    I thinks its obvious, you can't fuck a virtual character

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:20 27/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    devices are probably in the making

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:37 27/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    nowadays is not possible but the day will come when robots like the ones from chobits exist, I'd like to see that

    Comment by Anonymous
    11:29 28/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    I've seen those, id buy one if I had that amount of money, but I still rather fuck a real girl than a doll, basically because the doll is just an static object, the robots would be a diferent story

    Comment by Anonymous
    04:11 27/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    ever seen doll in japan that looks like 99% human? i mean i cant even see the different without looking really hard. imagine if they mass produce them base on the best looking women(or anime char) XD

    Comment by Darkrockslizer
    07:14 27/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    the devices are made, lurk moar.

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:39 27/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    2D? 3D? Screw them all: I choose 4D!!

    Comment by Anonymous
    06:27 28/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    I choose 1D. But whether to choose dots, points or periods - that is the question.

    Comment by Darkrockslizer
    07:31 27/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Noo Maria is mine D:






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