Save the Children: “Ban Loli Manga!”

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Top children’s charity Save the Children has explicitly called for a ban on loli manga in order to “protect sexual norms and morals.”

An excerpt from Save the Children Japan’s recently published memorandum on Japanese laws relating to child pornography and prostitution:

4. Regarding materials featuring non-existent children, considering the point of view that “sexual norms and sexual morality must be protected” and that “a healthy environment for youth to grow up in should be preserved,” we should think that a ban must be put in place.

A statement notable for not even bothering to pretend such a ban is intended to reduce crimes against children – it is instead merely based on the notion that some forms of sexual expression are morally wrong and must be banned.

Although generally perceived as a secular organisation campaigning for child welfare, Save the Children’s English founder Eglantyne Jebb was a zealous Christian who claimed Christ personally spoke to her on a number of occasions; her mental illness is usually forgotten in deference to her contribution to the creation of the modern extended childhood.

The group’s Japanese chapter appears to be aligned with a number of openly Christian or feminist “child advocacy” groups.

Their statement also cites a publication by an EU alliance of children’s charities, eNASCO, which outlines their support for criminalising art they object to morally, which they call “pseudo-imagery” in an attempt to conflate fantasy with actual photographs of illegal acts:

For example, there are many child abuse images which are realistic images of a nonexisting child engaged in sexual conduct, or ‘pseudo images’.

These include non-photographic visual depictions of child sexual abuse (i.e. computer generated images (CGIs), drawings, animation) as well as ‘pseudo-photos’ or videos.

In our experience this type of material has clear risks insofar as it can form part of a subculture of sexual abuse material and if it is not criminalised the police are not able to seize the materials or disrupt the network of traders.

eNACSO consider that the existence of such materials allows offenders to deny and minimise the impact of sexual abuse and encourages distorted thinking about sexual crimes against children.

Furthermore, there is evidence to support the fact that photographs of children engaged in sexual activity are used for grooming children into child pornography, and that pseudo-photographs will also be used for this purpose.

However, possession, production and distribution of pseudo images is not yet illegal in many Member States.

RECOMMENDATION: All states should ensure that pseudo-images are made illegal.

It would appear the rights of fictional children now supplant those of real adults.


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    Comment by the_pragmatist
    05:56 19/02/2010 # ! Good (+0.4)

    Any time someone uses words such as "morals" and "right" and "norms" the first thing a healthy critical-thinking-enabled mind will produce is questions such as: "WHOSE morals? Who decides what is right? WHOSE norms? What makes your norms or morals more 'right' than mine or his or hers?"

    Morality and judgment of what is right and wrong is entirely a personal and wholly subjective set of decisions. To say that one person's or one group's choices are the "norm' is an outright lie, especially with the permeation of the Internet into most aspects of the lives of nearly every person in the world. The notions of what is "normal" or the classic Miller test bullet-point of "community standards" or even the Constitution's mention of a "trial by a jury of one's peers" no longer apply geographically or even within an individual country thanks to the Internet.

    My "community" and "peers" are...well, people on the Internet, participating in sites like Sankaku Complex, Hongfire, 4chan, and other anime-oriented corners of the Web. Most of the people in close physical proximity don't know me or anything about me, and I choose to engage in whatever the minimum of interaction with them is. Thus, if I were to be tried for wrongdoing, a jury of people who are of the same race, financial class, age, etc. would most likely NOT be a representative jury of MY peers. Trial by Sankaku Complex would be much more appropriate than trial by physical neighbor.

    Back to the original point: morality and everything that goes with it is a PERSONAL CHOICE, often a RELIGIOUS CHOICE. Law should not be based on a moral code, it should be based on preventing the physical, financial, mental, or similar injury of one person by another, and if those laws happen to fall within the scope of someone's personally chosen moral code, so much the better.

    tl;dr: nothing should be illegal unless it hurts other non-consenting people, morals should have nothing to do with law, and it's interesting how people who wish to force their morals on others never identify WHOSE morals they're trying to force upon those others.

    Comment by Anonymous
    15:56 20/02/2010 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Ah, but the PROBLEM is that 'mental injury' is in the eye of the beholder, and most of the TRUE mental injury that children have after sex with adults comes from contact with the police and psychologists where they are brainwashed into thinking that someone harmed them and have stress because of that.

    The only 'mental harm' (and it isn't) in cases where people DIDN'T have that contact is a more liberal sexual morality, where having sex outside of marriage or with numerous people is okay.... which is not really harm except in the minds of the sexual conservatives.

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    Comment by the_pragmatist
    04:56 28/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    And that comes full circle: it's "mental harm" by one person's moral code, not by any kind of peer-reviewable reproducible scientific research that has no moral slant.

    Comment by murraymints999
    05:17 19/02/2010 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    All these "save the children" groups need to stop bitching so much, if they spent the time they use whining about thought crimes to actually save real kids, hell, pedophilia might even cease to exist.

    But no, they cry and throw their toys about, I just don't see how anyone at all will take them seriously in the future. It's the same with feminists, they started out with great intentions and fighting the good fight, but now they're just a jokeand everyone treats them asuch.

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:49 20/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Pedophilia has been around for thousands of years, if it could be wiped out, it would've been gone by now.

    Comment by Anonymous
    06:07 19/02/2010 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    This is plainly sad. Time after time I read these articles and wonder this "pedo-panic" has stricken people so deeply. Pedos were always around. They're not new, so why is everyone suddenly so tasked to burn the forest down to get a few wolves. It's scary to think that we have a modern age "witch hunt" going on right in front of our faces....and logic won't permit (the majority) to even realize it.

    Comment by Anonymous
    06:27 19/02/2010 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    “sexual norms and sexual morality must be protected”

    so they eventually plan to go after homosexuality ?

    good luck with that

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    Comment by Fonzer
    06:38 19/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    why would they?
    It perfectly fits when emasculating men,becouse they also join feminist and go on a manhating spree and demonize heterosexual and produce even more gays.

    Comment by Anonymous
    12:11 19/02/2010 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    You know the saying that playing too much can cause one to lose sight of what is real and what is not...

    I think it's pretty much the other way around. People not doing the thing much or at all don't really understand whats going on and make assumptions on their feelings. I think it's pretty much the same with loli manga, as it to following:

    Schoolshooters and others don't come from these games, they come from varies of things that might lead to gaming, NOT NECESSARILY tough. You can pretty much get the idea with airplane simulators and 9/11. They didn't run into tower becouse they tought it'd fun to do as they did on the simulator. It's for other reasons. Airplane simulator is not the one to blame.

    Comment by Anonymous
    06:48 19/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    people don't seem to understand that things like this and other pornography actually LOWERS sexual crimes. its just like violent video games. there is actually a visible trend in the amount of violent crimes dropping to the violence in video games going up. people NEED an outlet. no outlet = they find one on their own. if you ban it all it'll do is make people WANT it more and it'll even draw more people into it.

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:36 19/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    KILL THEM WITH SPOOONS!!

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:26 19/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    who the fuck do these people think they are? not everyone shares their dung-ages horsecart fairytale beliefs.

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:05 19/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Agreed , Ban thoses Loli manga !!!

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:55 19/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    But teachers can still fuck and molest real kids, right? I mean, protect the pretend kids, but let's not ruin established norms, here...

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    Comment by slayer545_sama
    08:51 19/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    You all go fuck yourselves and die! Pedo freaks! For I am Slayer545-sama for thee Lord Enki and thee Lord spoke to me that all these loli lovers must die for they do not do it for his daughter Inanna but for their own sexual pleasure. Surely this is wrong and must be condemned with capital punishment as soon as her majesty Inanna comes to earth.....I will personally make sure to kill each of you fuckers to death! For your dicks are soiled and not pure. For your minds are dirty and must be purged eternally! I am slayer545-sama for thee Lord Enki..ruler of this Universe and supreme creator of your race!

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:10 20/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Go cry a river about your stupidity, you troll.

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    Comment by oblow20
    07:28 19/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Oh men I have trouble I'm reading Kitten Studies of Nekonomori Maririn so according to them now I'm going to do the same with real kids...please save me...what a bullshit

    Comment by Anonymous
    07:50 19/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    MORALS ARE MAN MADE. IT IS BULLSHIT!!!!

    Another BS group trying to ban something with retarded non factional or scientific facts. And you wonder why the world is retarded.

    Then S&M will have to go. That thing can go really far and mess up someone's mind for life.

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    Comment by kajunbowser
    17:34 20/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    True. I so loev these Western groups (unfortunately, from my country) that go off on moralfaggotry screeds while subscribing to Western ways of thinking about sex. As I've said in another story, the West sees sex as something dirty and vulgar outside of marriage (and "compatible parts"), while most of Asia has a less taboo look @ sex (Philippines = see Sharia Law & Japan via Shintoism = for the LULZ). Also, I haet that they hide behind religion so damn much (I'm a Christian, but I have lots of restraint on the zeal, which is why I'm here). It's all moral for them, but they don't get the fact that there's a limit to how much ppl can take.

    Also, morals aren't supposed to rely on scientific data.

    Comment by Anonymous
    08:30 19/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Being a Feminist is a disease itself.(At least this type.)

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    Comment by El Chaos
    03:03 19/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    "Furthermore, there is evidence to support the fact that photographs of children engaged in sexual activity are used for grooming children into child pornography, and that pseudo-photographs will also be used for this purpose."

    Isn't this some kind of contradiction? How can there be evidence of something that "will also be used", as in the future?

    I guess there might be evidence of me gutting some stupid, uneducated fucks sometime down the line, too.

    lol lrn2write, twisted feminist Christian moralfags!!

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:50 19/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    You guys want to kiss 12 year girls. You guys suck!

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:05 19/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    lol @ "protect sexual norms"

    they should learn that sexuality isn't normal

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:11 19/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    loli manga helps keep people away from kids, they are more preoccupied with their fictional loli.

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    Comment by Rukia
    03:10 19/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    not again.....

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:19 19/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Save loli manga, ban the children

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:15 19/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    encore!

    ...wait

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:20 19/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Not me really am enthusiastic the loli, but because of that heavy to imagine that this would be the largest child protection trouble on the world. Big the starvation, the poverty, a lot in third country in the world the children may not allow the childhood to themselves though, they would starve to death together with their family otherwise.

    But everybody alike may not be a back.

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    Comment by rikarika
    05:58 19/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    And this, kids, is why you shouldn't use Google Translate.

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:15 19/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    If you care about this, start arming however you best can under the laws of your country. The day will come when we will have to tell those who would take away our rights that we aren't giving them up without a fight. Make sure you are ready.

    Comment by Anonymous
    04:27 19/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Not this shit again...

    It seems like every three seconds there's another ignorant mother fucker or group of them trying to ban anything and everything all the time for being "morally wrong". Fuck them. There's probably no chance of them succeeding anyway for a time at least... Though in the future as the populace becomes more ignorant and more likely to ignore logic and reason in favor of jumping on anything the media tells them to by the way of knee-jerk reactions it might actually happen. Though fortunately at this point some of the luckier nations have rights which aren't being over-ruled by mobs of retards screaming about their need to be the ultimate authority of all that is right and just in the world, but that might not always be the case.

    Comment by Anonymous
    04:23 19/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Since when were real children similar to drawn?

    w/e...

    Comment by Anonymous
    04:28 19/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Enough!!
    Lolicon needs to become a new religion,or rather hentai religion in general.

    Comment by Anonymous
    04:31 19/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    oh femnazis stop perverting the court and justice in general.

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    Comment by EleutheroZeroONE
    04:47 19/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Charity organisations such as UNICEF and Save The Children were created to give aid to help children in poor countries.

    REAL, flesh-and-blood 3D children, not artificially drawn 2D ones!

    Since when 2D shotas and lolis that were drawn on paper and in Manga and/or made in Anime and computer programmes REAL!?

    Comment by Anonymous
    04:11 19/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    what i really don't like about all this potential censorship bullshit are these moronic groups with their lackadaisical copy writing. they are spreading disinformation, i would say, by using all this ambiguous jargon that everyone is going to interpret differently. it's cowardly as fuck what they are doing with the language, setting everything in the broadest terms.

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:31 19/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    I bet you a good majority of men who molest/rape children, don't even have loli manga.

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:30 19/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Save the Lolis: "Ban Agnes Chan!"

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:50 19/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Just keep reassuring yourselfs guys, that's what Sankaku is here for. Go take a look in the mirror peadoverts!

    Comment by Anonymous
    04:07 19/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Go back to ANN you newfag.

    Comment by Anonymous
    04:06 19/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    HA! Where were you assholes when a number of poor girls were sentences to beatings in the middle east because they were raped? Or the protest of all those prosecutors to protest the trail against one of their own for the MURDER of a child? And they're worried about this?! FUCK THEM.

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:53 19/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Eh, at least the reason they gave has SOME reason behind it. In that they are a step ahead of Equality Now.

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:51 21/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    aaa...put ban on loli manga don't solve anything!! geesh!! just banned the internet and every problem is solve!!i should say that most of the loli manga that i have came from there, translated!! and free too!~~~~~~~!!!!(*.8 )

    Comment by Anonymous
    15:43 20/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Reduce crimes against children....wouldn't there be a better chance of the opposite happening if they take away loli manga? lol

    Comment by Anonymous
    15:53 20/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Yep.... and the fact is that most 'crimes against children' are 'statutory rape'.... which shouldn't even be a crime in the first place. Nor should child pornography.

    The ONLY thing they should be going after is when people force children and even TEENAGERS AND ADULTS into sexual situations against their will..... which 99.9 times out of 100, is not what is going on.

    Comment by Anonymous
    12:15 22/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Why don't they focus on something that actually matters? This is fighting for the well being of ink and piece of paper. Fuck these people. They have no prospective on reality.

    Comment by Anonymous
    18:55 26/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    These people need to fucking grow up. They're making such a scene about this stuff then our children will look into it. They are the ones that need the banning.

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:48 14/05/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    Lolicon must die, go to die sucker.

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:22 14/07/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Truth is, the Bible is full of holes, first of all, if God is truly good, how can he create anything evil like Satan or even us humans?

    Some say that good is the void of evil, but how God can be complete if he doesn't know evil?

    Also, christians have an strange view of things, like in Brazil where a girl who was raped by her foster dad should be banned from society, while the rapist should just seek God and be forgiven (Die you temptress :p).

    What those "elevens" (yeah, Code Geass) should realize is that the Catholic church hates us.

    Comment by Anonymous
    06:29 22/06/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    Good luck with banning fetishes
    Hey guys let's start a riot
    If they ban diaper fetish or infantilism I'm going to start a resistance group and kick some probably hypocritical people's ass straight into hell
    They forgot that god loves us for who we are no matter what we like or do he still likes us for who we truly are. The catholic church has forgotten these very words and are more than likely brainwashing are new generation with things like homosexuals and non normal sex life people are bad.
    The only church that I know accepts people no matter who or what they are is the presbyterian church. They are the ones to follow not the catholic church









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