Top children’s charity Save the Children has explicitly called for a ban on loli manga in order to “protect sexual norms and morals.”
An excerpt from Save the Children Japan’s recently published memorandum on Japanese laws relating to child pornography and prostitution:
4. Regarding materials featuring non-existent children, considering the point of view that “sexual norms and sexual morality must be protected” and that “a healthy environment for youth to grow up in should be preserved,” we should think that a ban must be put in place.
A statement notable for not even bothering to pretend such a ban is intended to reduce crimes against children – it is instead merely based on the notion that some forms of sexual expression are morally wrong and must be banned.
Although generally perceived as a secular organisation campaigning for child welfare, Save the Children’s English founder Eglantyne Jebb was a zealous Christian who claimed Christ personally spoke to her on a number of occasions; her mental illness is usually forgotten in deference to her contribution to the creation of the modern extended childhood.
The group’s Japanese chapter appears to be aligned with a number of openly Christian or feminist “child advocacy” groups.
Their statement also cites a publication by an EU alliance of children’s charities, eNASCO, which outlines their support for criminalising art they object to morally, which they call “pseudo-imagery” in an attempt to conflate fantasy with actual photographs of illegal acts:
For example, there are many child abuse images which are realistic images of a nonexisting child engaged in sexual conduct, or ‘pseudo images’.
These include non-photographic visual depictions of child sexual abuse (i.e. computer generated images (CGIs), drawings, animation) as well as ‘pseudo-photos’ or videos.
In our experience this type of material has clear risks insofar as it can form part of a subculture of sexual abuse material and if it is not criminalised the police are not able to seize the materials or disrupt the network of traders.
eNACSO consider that the existence of such materials allows offenders to deny and minimise the impact of sexual abuse and encourages distorted thinking about sexual crimes against children.
Furthermore, there is evidence to support the fact that photographs of children engaged in sexual activity are used for grooming children into child pornography, and that pseudo-photographs will also be used for this purpose.
However, possession, production and distribution of pseudo images is not yet illegal in many Member States.
RECOMMENDATION: All states should ensure that pseudo-images are made illegal.
It would appear the rights of fictional children now supplant those of real adults.
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Any time someone uses words such as "morals" and "right" and "norms" the first thing a healthy critical-thinking-enabled mind will produce is questions such as: "WHOSE morals? Who decides what is right? WHOSE norms? What makes your norms or morals more 'right' than mine or his or hers?"
Morality and judgment of what is right and wrong is entirely a personal and wholly subjective set of decisions. To say that one person's or one group's choices are the "norm' is an outright lie, especially with the permeation of the Internet into most aspects of the lives of nearly every person in the world. The notions of what is "normal" or the classic Miller test bullet-point of "community standards" or even the Constitution's mention of a "trial by a jury of one's peers" no longer apply geographically or even within an individual country thanks to the Internet.
My "community" and "peers" are...well, people on the Internet, participating in sites like Sankaku Complex, Hongfire, 4chan, and other anime-oriented corners of the Web. Most of the people in close physical proximity don't know me or anything about me, and I choose to engage in whatever the minimum of interaction with them is. Thus, if I were to be tried for wrongdoing, a jury of people who are of the same race, financial class, age, etc. would most likely NOT be a representative jury of MY peers. Trial by Sankaku Complex would be much more appropriate than trial by physical neighbor.
Back to the original point: morality and everything that goes with it is a PERSONAL CHOICE, often a RELIGIOUS CHOICE. Law should not be based on a moral code, it should be based on preventing the physical, financial, mental, or similar injury of one person by another, and if those laws happen to fall within the scope of someone's personally chosen moral code, so much the better.
tl;dr: nothing should be illegal unless it hurts other non-consenting people, morals should have nothing to do with law, and it's interesting how people who wish to force their morals on others never identify WHOSE morals they're trying to force upon those others.
Ah, but the PROBLEM is that 'mental injury' is in the eye of the beholder, and most of the TRUE mental injury that children have after sex with adults comes from contact with the police and psychologists where they are brainwashed into thinking that someone harmed them and have stress because of that.
The only 'mental harm' (and it isn't) in cases where people DIDN'T have that contact is a more liberal sexual morality, where having sex outside of marriage or with numerous people is okay.... which is not really harm except in the minds of the sexual conservatives.
And that comes full circle: it's "mental harm" by one person's moral code, not by any kind of peer-reviewable reproducible scientific research that has no moral slant.
KILL THEM WITH SPOOONS!!
This is plainly sad. Time after time I read these articles and wonder this "pedo-panic" has stricken people so deeply. Pedos were always around. They're not new, so why is everyone suddenly so tasked to burn the forest down to get a few wolves. It's scary to think that we have a modern age "witch hunt" going on right in front of our faces....and logic won't permit (the majority) to even realize it.
“sexual norms and sexual morality must be protected”
so they eventually plan to go after homosexuality ?
good luck with that
why would they?
It perfectly fits when emasculating men,becouse they also join feminist and go on a manhating spree and demonize heterosexual and produce even more gays.
You know the saying that playing too much can cause one to lose sight of what is real and what is not...
I think it's pretty much the other way around. People not doing the thing much or at all don't really understand whats going on and make assumptions on their feelings. I think it's pretty much the same with loli manga, as it to following:
Schoolshooters and others don't come from these games, they come from varies of things that might lead to gaming, NOT NECESSARILY tough. You can pretty much get the idea with airplane simulators and 9/11. They didn't run into tower becouse they tought it'd fun to do as they did on the simulator. It's for other reasons. Airplane simulator is not the one to blame.
So let me get this straight, we're encouraging child pornography here?
It is not encouraging child anything. The real world and the fictional world are two different things.
Funny how these groups never mention how most of the people who like this art only like 2d not 3d (real life girls). But adding that fact will shot down their argument.
In your mind then all violent and sexual movies/ video games should be banned because that encourages violence and the spread of aids.
I agree truth be told i used to look a real cp but after I found loli I backed out of it, luckly before i turned 18. These people never seem to understand that a pedo is a pedo no matter what and loli provides a fantasy to vent that fetish to. So if u remove that fantasy guess what happens.
All these "save the children" groups need to stop bitching so much, if they spent the time they use whining about thought crimes to actually save real kids, hell, pedophilia might even cease to exist.
But no, they cry and throw their toys about, I just don't see how anyone at all will take them seriously in the future. It's the same with feminists, they started out with great intentions and fighting the good fight, but now they're just a jokeand everyone treats them asuch.
Pedophilia has been around for thousands of years, if it could be wiped out, it would've been gone by now.
people don't seem to understand that things like this and other pornography actually LOWERS sexual crimes. its just like violent video games. there is actually a visible trend in the amount of violent crimes dropping to the violence in video games going up. people NEED an outlet. no outlet = they find one on their own. if you ban it all it'll do is make people WANT it more and it'll even draw more people into it.
Agreed , Ban thoses Loli manga !!!
You all go fuck yourselves and die! Pedo freaks! For I am Slayer545-sama for thee Lord Enki and thee Lord spoke to me that all these loli lovers must die for they do not do it for his daughter Inanna but for their own sexual pleasure. Surely this is wrong and must be condemned with capital punishment as soon as her majesty Inanna comes to earth.....I will personally make sure to kill each of you fuckers to death! For your dicks are soiled and not pure. For your minds are dirty and must be purged eternally! I am slayer545-sama for thee Lord Enki..ruler of this Universe and supreme creator of your race!
Go cry a river about your stupidity, you troll.
who the fuck do these people think they are? not everyone shares their dung-ages horsecart fairytale beliefs.
But teachers can still fuck and molest real kids, right? I mean, protect the pretend kids, but let's not ruin established norms, here...
Being a Feminist is a disease itself.(At least this type.)
Oh men I have trouble I'm reading Kitten Studies of Nekonomori Maririn so according to them now I'm going to do the same with real kids...please save me...what a bullshit
MORALS ARE MAN MADE. IT IS BULLSHIT!!!!
Another BS group trying to ban something with retarded non factional or scientific facts. And you wonder why the world is retarded.
Then S&M will have to go. That thing can go really far and mess up someone's mind for life.
True. I so loev these Western groups (unfortunately, from my country) that go off on moralfaggotry screeds while subscribing to Western ways of thinking about sex. As I've said in another story, the West sees sex as something dirty and vulgar outside of marriage (and "compatible parts"), while most of Asia has a less taboo look @ sex (Philippines = see Sharia Law & Japan via Shintoism = for the LULZ). Also, I haet that they hide behind religion so damn much (I'm a Christian, but I have lots of restraint on the zeal, which is why I'm here). It's all moral for them, but they don't get the fact that there's a limit to how much ppl can take.
Also, morals aren't supposed to rely on scientific data.
You guys want to kiss 12 year girls. You guys suck!
"Furthermore, there is evidence to support the fact that photographs of children engaged in sexual activity are used for grooming children into child pornography, and that pseudo-photographs will also be used for this purpose."
Isn't this some kind of contradiction? How can there be evidence of something that "will also be used", as in the future?
I guess there might be evidence of me gutting some stupid, uneducated fucks sometime down the line, too.
lol lrn2write, twisted feminist Christian moralfags!!
lol @ "protect sexual norms"
they should learn that sexuality isn't normal
not again.....
irony:
http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2010/02/18/couple-put-baby-son-in-oven-fed-him-cigarette-butts/
Not me really am enthusiastic the loli, but because of that heavy to imagine that this would be the largest child protection trouble on the world. Big the starvation, the poverty, a lot in third country in the world the children may not allow the childhood to themselves though, they would starve to death together with their family otherwise.
But everybody alike may not be a back.
And this, kids, is why you shouldn't use Google Translate.
Fact is banning lolicon will certainly lead to more child abuse.
Japan -> tons of lolicon -> few child abuse
South Africa -> few lolicon -> tons of child abuse
Parents should learn the truth. Those fem nazis sure won't tell them.
Save loli manga, ban the children
encore!
...wait
loli manga helps keep people away from kids, they are more preoccupied with their fictional loli.
If you care about this, start arming however you best can under the laws of your country. The day will come when we will have to tell those who would take away our rights that we aren't giving them up without a fight. Make sure you are ready.
Since when were real children similar to drawn?
w/e...
Not this shit again...
It seems like every three seconds there's another ignorant mother fucker or group of them trying to ban anything and everything all the time for being "morally wrong". Fuck them. There's probably no chance of them succeeding anyway for a time at least... Though in the future as the populace becomes more ignorant and more likely to ignore logic and reason in favor of jumping on anything the media tells them to by the way of knee-jerk reactions it might actually happen. Though fortunately at this point some of the luckier nations have rights which aren't being over-ruled by mobs of retards screaming about their need to be the ultimate authority of all that is right and just in the world, but that might not always be the case.
Enough!!
Lolicon needs to become a new religion,or rather hentai religion in general.
Charity organisations such as UNICEF and Save The Children were created to give aid to help children in poor countries.
REAL, flesh-and-blood 3D children, not artificially drawn 2D ones!
Since when 2D shotas and lolis that were drawn on paper and in Manga and/or made in Anime and computer programmes REAL!?
oh femnazis stop perverting the court and justice in general.
what i really don't like about all this potential censorship bullshit are these moronic groups with their lackadaisical copy writing. they are spreading disinformation, i would say, by using all this ambiguous jargon that everyone is going to interpret differently. it's cowardly as fuck what they are doing with the language, setting everything in the broadest terms.
I bet you a good majority of men who molest/rape children, don't even have loli manga.
Save the Lolis: "Ban Agnes Chan!"
Just keep reassuring yourselfs guys, that's what Sankaku is here for. Go take a look in the mirror peadoverts!
Go back to ANN you newfag.
HA! Where were you assholes when a number of poor girls were sentences to beatings in the middle east because they were raped? Or the protest of all those prosecutors to protest the trail against one of their own for the MURDER of a child? And they're worried about this?! FUCK THEM.
aaa...put ban on loli manga don't solve anything!! geesh!! just banned the internet and every problem is solve!!i should say that most of the loli manga that i have came from there, translated!! and free too!~~~~~~~!!!!(*.8 )
Anyone else see the statement that they use: to protect societal norms..... uh, if we protected that, heterosexuality outside of marriage wouldn't be looked upon as fine, homosexuality wouldn't be looked upon as fine, marrying other race people wouldn't be looked upon as fine, etc. etc. etc.
The real issue here is that these IDIOTS know that if people see child pornography and lolicon mangas (not the same thing) they will realize that there is NOTHING WRONG with pedosexuality and it WILL be legalized.
Reduce crimes against children....wouldn't there be a better chance of the opposite happening if they take away loli manga? lol
Yep.... and the fact is that most 'crimes against children' are 'statutory rape'.... which shouldn't even be a crime in the first place. Nor should child pornography.
The ONLY thing they should be going after is when people force children and even TEENAGERS AND ADULTS into sexual situations against their will..... which 99.9 times out of 100, is not what is going on.
These people are probably the one that makes todays American Cartoon look like bullshit compare to american cartoon of the 80's and early 90's. They censored so much action and kids these days have to watch spongebob instead of thundercats.
Truth is, the Bible is full of holes, first of all, if God is truly good, how can he create anything evil like Satan or even us humans?
Some say that good is the void of evil, but how God can be complete if he doesn't know evil?
Also, christians have an strange view of things, like in Brazil where a girl who was raped by her foster dad should be banned from society, while the rapist should just seek God and be forgiven (Die you temptress :p).
What those "elevens" (yeah, Code Geass) should realize is that the Catholic church hates us.
Good luck with banning fetishes
Hey guys let's start a riot
If they ban diaper fetish or infantilism I'm going to start a resistance group and kick some probably hypocritical people's ass straight into hell
They forgot that god loves us for who we are no matter what we like or do he still likes us for who we truly are. The catholic church has forgotten these very words and are more than likely brainwashing are new generation with things like homosexuals and non normal sex life people are bad.
The only church that I know accepts people no matter who or what they are is the presbyterian church. They are the ones to follow not the catholic church
Lolicon must die, go to die sucker.
These people need to fucking grow up. They're making such a scene about this stuff then our children will look into it. They are the ones that need the banning.
Why don't they focus on something that actually matters? This is fighting for the well being of ink and piece of paper. Fuck these people. They have no prospective on reality.
This site makes me rage so much!!!
Here's what we do if they ever take away our loli pantsu:
We all claim to be ex-lolicons turned paedophiles, and now that we've lost our lolis we must be paedophiles and go around raping kids.
Of course this causes mass hysteria within derpy officials and they give us our lolis back without anyone actually getting hurt.
Or we could read it illegally.
Ok first off I am a Christian and these folks fail on soo many levels. Just hang in there with me for a second but how the hell are children being harmed when people look a pencil lead on paper? Last I checked children aren't 2d. I say we make a win win senerio out of this and just kill off the republican party. We allknow this is some bs they wrote. I'm tired of them doing crap like this. Common sence ftw!
Just loli manga? So all my shota manga is safe?
Loli rocks, Long live LOLI!!!!
I'm tired of this....... I've given up on being angry.
for those of you who like that kind of stuff you better buy all that type of manga while you still can just in case before it is no more. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
don't kid yourself bans and censorship will only start with the loli stuff and then progress, they will come after whatever you like next as the ultimate aggenda is anti pron stupid anon.
christian? too bad, there's no God....
Eh, at least the reason they gave has SOME reason behind it. In that they are a step ahead of Equality Now.
for as much bitching and moaning about the situation that goes on in these types of threads, not one of you is gonna actually do anything except bitch and moan. This(save the children etc) the "Handley" case, if you want to fight it you don't have to say anything about loli(so you won't be villainized), just fight it under the guise of being anti-censorship which is true.
censorship and laws that strip away rights need to be fought.
Dude, this is the place TO bitch and moan. It's hard to get a bunch of random IPs to do more than that.
yeah true but to be fair posts in these and similiar thread seem to indicate that "someone" should do something ::whistles nonchalantly:: just not "me"
For example, there are many child abuse images which are realistic images of a nonexisting child engaged in sexual conduct, or ‘pseudo images’.
Since when did manga become real? Did they develope technology to bring drawings to life?
I want one!! :D
No way, I want to be a manga artist someday and I'm bound to have at least 1 loli character in it.
Will I get banned too!?
It's almost the same if they would ban manga that includes killing, because it SOMEHOW attracts readers to kill REAL people >_>
Or games... OR MOVIES
Catch my drift?
Brainless SOBs Manga is harmless.
Why doesn't save the children do something that actually save children for once.
Such as saving kids from sweat shops ran by Nike or from pedos at bible camp and brainless ZT policies at schools?
"You just don't like smoking, so you use your money and power to force others to think like you! And that's called FASCISM, you tubby asshole!"
-Kyle Broflovski to Rob Reiner, who tried to ban smoking in Colorado in an episode of South Park.
Sound familiar?
I can't wait until people that were raised during my generation get to be the ones making decisions for this country ... these fucking old feminazis just don't fucking get it at all. Not to mention we are talking about a drawn image here ... if the day comes when a fictional child has more rights than me, i'm fucking gone from here. WTF is wrong with these people anyways ... really.
The loli manga drawers should just make all the lil lolis into catgirls. That way if they start to make progress in saying they are a good as real ppl, we can make the argument that they are not ppl, they are cat people .... wait, then we might get animal activists involved. Scratch that idea, back to killing all of them I guess.
useless effort since most of the problems do not come from loli manga, it is from long-held beliefs in countries... especially the myth of raping a child to purify one's self (which was common even in European countries and not just African countries).
I would like to know what are the "Rules of Sexual ehavior and morality" that them are reffering to, i fap to lolicon... so what?
If you fap to little kids, it means you're a pedophile, and people don't like pedophiles, because pedophiles RAPE children and scar them for life!
yeah lolicon its a fanzy word for pedophilia, each time anime its twisting more and more. Sad
Hmm, I'm a relitivist, and a moral nihilst, so I don't feel that there's anything particularly wrong with child sex.
I think that only oral sex should be performed, however. On females, that is. It would hurt them otherwise.
Of course, these views could be completely due to visiting sankaku complex altogether too much. ;)
Wait whut, aren't we actually doing it now?
I mean after reading two chapters of Inuboshi's Ai no Mahou wo Oshiete, it took me at least a month to realize that the contents in 12chan are meant to be suggestive..
Wait whut, aren't we doing it now?
why not just draw an imaginary prison and imaginarily throw the loli's in there?
Don't these fuckwads ever give up?
I can understand the reason why you'd want to ban real child porn, but Heaven forbid you fapping to fictional ones of which the age is often not only dubious, but also a case of Older Than They Look or of which loli is merely a disguise.
And what 'proof' do they have that:
1. Loli porn leads to child porn.
2. That child porn is used to lure kids into sexual activity (didn't they once made this claim about adult porn as well?)
And what about those priests in the Vatican who seem to love little boys more than they should, yet get a pat on the head by the Pope himself under the guise of: "They admitted they were wrong, so I forgive them."
I frankly think a world without loli porn would be a much dangerous one. Then real kids will REALLY be in danger. Of course, none of these cults want to admit that when that happens., they'll be too busy stuffing their pockets with money from the ignorant people they tricked by exploiting their emotions.
well from what i read,this is what happens when you ignore male sexuality to normal grown women or don't masturbate or if you demonize men for heterosexuality and unrespect men when they deserve to be respected for caring for people and women.
What else can they do then abuse children if they ignore their sexuality,it's wrong,since it's dysfunctional and doesn't have a real purpose and it's damaging to the children,but many children could be saved if adults had some adult sexual therapies to help them and wouldn't be so ignorant about their sexuality.
Guess religion and society is unknowilingly producing child molestors.
This is beyond epic fail. This is GODLIKE FAIL at its best!
People, groups or organizations like these are just cowardly using kids as a morality shield or excuse to take away another people's freedoms, liberties or expressions.
::double facepalm::
Someone PLEASE, PUT THEM OUT OF THEIR MISERY!!!
Don't you mean 'put them out of our misery'? o_0
RECOMMENDATION: All states should ensure that Christianity be made illegal.
Because eye-for-an-eye behavior will solve this problem, yes.
Banning anything, regardless of what it is, is, to me, 'wrong'.
I suggest you read Jonathan Swift's An Argument Against Abolishing Christianity.
Hmmm...please add ALL religions and cults and crazy grupps too.
PS I'm a christian, but I have a sane logic first.
I was going to but I've really got no problems with religions such as Buddhism.
I'm agnostic btw.
Don't count japanese Buddhism as a Buddhism. Its way is very twisted from original Buddhism from the origin.
Sokka Gakkai is a major supporter of these bans.
Sexual NORMS? Who the hell is going to define that?
Are we regressing back to the dark ages with chastity belts?
Get with the times people. Change and adapt.
Sexual norm: consensual sex in the missionary position for the sole purpose of procreation.
Seriously if these people ever get their way, then they would most likely make sex illegal and require all women to be artificially inseminated if they actually want children.
What was that one movie? Logan's Run...?
And the congregation sent thither twelve thousand men of the valiantest, and commanded them, saying, Go and smite the inhabitants of Jabeshgilead with the edge of the sword, with the women and the children.
And this is the thing that ye shall do, Ye shall utterly destroy every male, and every woman that hath lain by man.
And they found among the inhabitants of Jabeshgilead four hundred young virgins, that had known no man by lying with any male: and they brought them unto the camp to Shiloh, which is in the land of Canaan.
-Judges 21:10-12
And the whole congregation sent some to speak to the children of Benjamin that were in the rock Rimmon, and to call peaceably unto them.
And Benjamin came again at that time; and they gave them wives which they had saved alive of the women of Jabeshgilead: and yet so they sufficed them not.
-Judges 21:13-14
And they warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males.
And they slew the kings of Midian, beside the rest of them that were slain; namely, Evi, and Rekem, and Zur, and Hur, and Reba, five kings of Midian: Balaam also the son of Beor they slew with the sword.
And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones, and took the spoil of all their cattle, and all their flocks, and all their goods.
-Numbers 31:7
And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive?
Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD.
Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.
-Numbers 31:15-18
Why am I not surprised that the "holiest book on earth" supports raping little virgins?
Why indeed...
I don't know about the Bible, but I think that there's a difference between portraying some act and encouraging it.
Why am I not surprised you are simply incapable of logical thinking?
Is CNN, BBC or any news network supporting sex with minors by reporting it?
Don't forget that these are the Biblical HEROES supporting these acts. You know, Christian role models?