“Pedophilia” vs “Lolicon” – Mental Health Through Manga

TLDR:
liking girls 13-17 = lolicon, but not mentally ill
liking girls under 13 = insane pedo

I like how they explain things in Manga format... makes life a lot easier to understand things.

Not saying I don't know what pedophilia is but I learn more through Manga format.

Wish my school had Manga formatted materials to learn from and Anime for video demonstrations :P

I would remember hell lot more!

hm needs a new definition for watching 2d lolicon something in latin,so people wouldn't be so ignorant and call us pedophiles.
And 2d lolicon is also helpfull.

Amazing, I spontaneously choose the girl with elementary school backpack hence I passed the first test.. :3

I'll take the nurse.

Liking girls without any adult female attributes = pedo = WRONG

Liking cute girls with small breasts and some childish attributes = TOTALLY RIGHT!

This owns tbqh

y goto police before commit a crime? isnt it after?

*hides*

The rest on the Yuu HP was also quite amusing, not to mention well drawn. /Approves

I like more 4-8yearold girls than over 13...
And Im conscious of myself as illness...

If someone turns himself in before he commits a crime, as advised by the manga, I wonder what is the police supposed to do with him.

Punishment for thought-crime?

I love young girls, but most of all I love young boys, 10-14 y.o., with their tender bodies, sweet buttcheecks and newly-arousing pricks.
Am I a lolicon? Perhaps sometimes, but not enough.
Am I a pedophile? According to definitions, nope.
Am I a boy-lover? YESSS, in the great tradition of Greek and Roman classic civilization.
Therefore, don't bother me with your psychological classifications!

Even when middle school is 7th-9th, most middle schoolers are under 13...

The manga get's several things wrong. But maybe there is something lost in translation.

For instance the APA is the American Psychological Association.

smart ass :D

the problem is , real life 13yo looks nothing like the one shown in the manga...and i sure do not want to touch their hands

lol... no, wait... this isn't funny

wtf that about comic strip? I think seeing or attracted by a cute girl 11-14 yrs old(below 10 I think you need to see a shrink) is natural for men as long he don't have sex with that age. 15-18 yes to sex! but not rape!(only in hentai manga & anime), Pedophilia likes to have sex with a very tender-age young girls while lolicon just like chibi anime character and figurine(maybe imagination). I think I may be wrong the difference

Anon is only interested with 2D lolis.

Girl A is the best! fapfapfap

Wow it's so cool. So I am a lolicon but not mental illness. (=3=)=b

You´re not temporarily insane if you deliberately do it. I mean, if you make plans for the killing, the escape, the alibi, etc.

Looks like there is more on the original site

Well, the fact many 10yr old girls I know look like 15+ doesn't make the distinction easier.

Seriously, they should cut on the healthy food and start eating crap, they develop too fast.

I FUCKING LOL'ED

Gives these people a meddle. A comic that's both fun and informative deserves some form of award. Do it right now.

I'll put it in Freudian terms as I think about my own mentality: The start of masturbation for me was around age 10. At this point with little to go on for visual aid, I imagined getting it on with the top three girls of my grade level based on their looks. My interests didn't dip in age level until I reached the end of middle school when I was noting the slender arms and legs of sixth graders. Now in my 20s, I still look fondly at teenage girls, but find it uncomfortable to go any lower. So, was I a pedo? Am I a lolicon? I suppose I could be considered a closet lolicon since I take interest and no action. If a girl of 16 then takes interest in me and gives consent for sex (which was the way I lost my virginity), where I live, she doesn't have the legal authority to have consensual sex (meaning I broke the law and profit). I found a map of the world with the age of consensual sex for each country and US state on futaba. Maybe I can post it on here somewhere.

WOOOOOOOOO IM IN DA CLEAR :D

I already knew this, it is just common sense, ok back to fap at girls in swim suits

Hilarious.

It is quite hilarious how you get your crime record filled with just being with a younger girlfriend. I'm talking about <18 and their girlfriends <16. But it is fine for an 60 year old man to have sex with a twenty-something woman? Hypocrite I call thee.

The FACTS:

Pedophilia is the sexual attraction to PRE-pubescent children.

In psychiatry it is not considered an issue to be sexually attracted to POST-pubescent humans, even if they are 9~17 years old.

Puberty is something that hits everyone at different times, and no magical law or arbitrary number is going to account for that.

The OPINIONS:

When I think of lolicon, I only think of the "lolita complex" of fantasy that is in manga and anime. I don't personally feel a lolicon is a pedophile, because they are interested in fantasy, and can tell fantasy from reality. The whole reason they enjoy it is because it isn't real.

Hold your horses....so pedophilia is an illness and is illegal?? OH SHI-

*inject self with androgenic hormone supressant drug*

Phew~ made it in time.

I've been using the “half your age + 7” rule since I was 14. I'm 20 now, Should I turn myself in?

I personally believe that pedophelia is a result of a very fast individual sexual development. Let me explain: When I was 8, I already wanted to have a sex with a girl. A complete, penetrating sex. Is it abnormal? I dont think so, everyone has their own development pace. But can such diseres go away just like that when you grow up? Maybe, maybe not. Of corse a normal desire for sex with grown up girl takes a complete lead, but still, there is a mild desire brought from the past....

Maybe I should write a book....

the fact that the clinic go to such extent as making a manga to make it more fun and understandable is awesome :D

THIS IS AWESOME
Everything would be so much more entertaining if explained through the prism of manga

i think pedo is better than being a mofo

would u believe it i got arrested just because my sister cling to me

Australian government should read this before they commit this senseless act: http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2010/01/28/australia-bans-small-breasts-as-child-pornography/

Well I'm seeing someone older than I am, but according to Australian law, I am a pedophile anyway, so I guess I better go to a clinic.

It has been obvious for some time now that people don´t know a fuck of what they are talking about.
At least this is educative.

Funny they don't mention shotacon at all, considering pederasty was (and may still be) common in Japan. Look at Boku no Pico, Jun Watarase, Bridget, and those RL male "junior idols".

This is the perfect rule for determining whether or not it's acceptable to date someone younger then you; Take your age, divide it in half, then add 7. That is the YOUNGEST person you can safely date. This rule applies until you're somewhere in your Thirties.
Example: At 20, so the youngest you can date is 17.

Good thing I'm only interested in the 2d lolis.
I'd hate to be dragged off in a van like the nurse is trying to with the doctor.

Therapy sex with adults would seem a better treatment than isolation or medicating away natural needs.

People need to understand that sexual preferences are not a DISEASE, but a DISORDER. Also, "androgenic hormone suppression drugs"? Is that like how they forced Alan Turing to take oestrogen injections to cure his homosexuality? Lol.

Wow, how reasonable.

But isn't there a mistake in page 6, panel 2? "I don't think there is...anything wrong with men who..."

That shouldn't be "don't", should it?

I know it isn't the subject here, but who's the artist? He draws with simplicity yet he made me laugh and the artstyle is kinda cute (and doesn't help at all if you're attracted indeed to high-schoolers)

Jealousy Toward Youth!!! Ha...that is funny but one must wonder how much of it is actually true?

VITALS DROPPING.

I like this comic!

Notably in that it subtly tackles the issue that "Pedophile!" is the modern replacement for the term "Witch!". Any statements other than pro "Lynch em, castrate em an burn da body!" are considered "What's he? A pedophile!?" or, in 'old school' terms "He doesn't agree with our Witch Hunt!? Witch! Witch! WITCH!!!"

And like the "Witch!" accusation, leaders can use it to distract the public from how they are miserably failing otherwise. There's always an "Enemy!" that is doing all the damage. One to blame, to hunt, to burn.

They over-used the "Witch!" against "Real" witches, and included it to "Heretics" or just political opponents, totally discrediting it. Jews, after WWII, became a protected species people actually felt for, so now "Behead the Jew Swine that feed off of Usury!" every time the country gets broke and they need to rob the bankers. And the "Cold war" broke down, the social pogrom against "Counter Culture/Hippies" was too effective, except in getting "Drug use" not pariah status...

So, "Pedophiles" are one of the few groups left that are small enough to have little or no political clout, large enough to pretend they are a threat and easy to get people to hate. It's easy political "Points" to "Make it tougher on Pedophiles!" and a real attention grabber, but anyone who argues against it is "Defending Pedophiles" all the while they ignore any REAL problems and the solutions to this problem make things worse.

I use the "Witch Hunt" thing literally. Combined with "Satanism!" and "Recovered Memory" abuse, it truly was a mass witch hunt in the 80s. People are still in jail now for imaginary crimes, like birthing babies to be sacrificed to Satan, abuse they never did, etc. And along the way, it was a good public distraction from boring, but very important stuff like the S&L scandal.

Here's a neat article on that:
http://www.loompanics.com/Articles/SatanSellers.html

AHAHAHAHAHAHA, OH WOW.

Imo Pedophilia is real life and Lolicon is 2D

Just cause i like Lolicon doesn't mean i go around in real life looking at little kids thinking "Oh look at that 13 year old, i would do her"

People need to quit thinking Lolicon=Pedo

Just my two cents

My Mom is 3 years older than my Dad, does that make her a pedo? Hehehe :P

"Friends, Romans and Arabs, lend me your ears!"

Another issue, some have been talking about the Greco Roman thing, and on other threads joking about Islamic views.

The "Great One" - Jon Norman, could do the job better, but I'll do a quick job.

Here's an example of how widespread and vile it got in Rome, placing notable attention on the Emperor Tiberius and his successor Gaius Germanicus Caesar, more famously known as "Caligula".

Tiberius, like a number before and after, maintained a "Harem" of sexual servants. But in da movie, they were adult women and a few young men. WRONG. Mostly young men, including children. He liked especially young boys (his "Fishes") till they got too old, then he'd kill them for fun.

This was in no way unique. Anyone with enough money did similar. A later emperor, Commodus, who pretended to be a Gladiator, had a harem of about 400 underage mostly pre-pubescent boys. Outside of that issue, he's been seen as the most close to Dubya...

Caligula was 'raised' by him, though more a 'hostage' and indeed was one of his 'fishes' though one he kept for both special good and cruel treatment. Still, he 'raised' him deliberately. Tiberius had saved the Republic, but the senate and the public hated him and he knew he'd be remembered as a villain, a criminal even though he really did deserve some good credit.

So, he raised Caligula the way he did as a form of revenge... "I am Raising a viper, to bite the heart of Rome..." He also said of Caligula "He is a wonderful slave...and a vicious master..."

Then when Tiberius kicked the bucket (hurried or not) Caligula was rapidly sworn in. His name meant "Little boots" for a tiny soldier's outfit he wore when he was a toddler accompanying his father who was a war hero. It had some parallels to Bobby Kennedy in fame/family association. But Caligula had only been raised to be a monster who lived for his own horrible pleasure.

Now, like in the movie, he was more into anything, anyone and everything than kids. Whatever the relationship with his horse was, it was more a scandal that he appointed it a counsel, an insult to the human members. But he did kids.

In Rome, abandoned children were left on the trash bin to starve, be eaten by scavengers or be 'adopted'. Some would want a slave and not be able to afford one, so they'd take from the trash and raise as a slave.

Caligula would take these babies into his bath for unholy pleasure- killing them in the process then toss them back in the trash dead. He did this with friends, fellow senators, consuls, social leeches, etc. doing the same. They weren't bothered by it at all. But, like Caligula, he found ways to make it a shocker. He'd loudly at the top of his lungs curse the gods for making a being as "Perfect and intelligent as myself and you allow me such boredom!" and even though by then Caligula had made sure (bribin da priests) he was (technically) a "God" also, it really scared his friends. Tub of water, the chief god Jupiter carries lightning bolts with him...

He'd later take some friends for more fun. He'd do unmentionable things, stuff history has omitted. He'd not threaten or hurt them in any way, but seeing the things he did, be it to animal, vegetable or mineral, would be so traumatic it'd sometimes cause his "Friends" to literally die watching. Then he'd say he was mildly amused...

Now, going back to the first line, the "Arabs"...

Rome had a great influence on the world, in culture and later laying the foundations for the Christian expansion which by definition later became Islam in Arabia. The "Underage" system wasn't as bad there as in Rome during the decadent period, but it was still far worse than now. Men could have unlimited wives, slaves, and could do a "Tiberius" act though they mostly just abandoned sex slaves when bored with them and there was no age limit.

The Prophet Muhammad gets mocked as a "Pedophile Pirate" these days, especially in the west and AmeriKKKa in particular. That's just unfair. Setting the age at 6 for marriage and 9 for any penatrative sex was in his day and age actually VERY moral and forward thinking. And this wasn't "Sub human Arabs" they were actually more "Moral" than their "Roman" neighbors by far.

Roman law is essentially super tribal. A man is the "King" of his own house, so what he does in his house is his "Law" and the state is supposed to think 10 times before doing anything to interfere in what a person does in his house, approve of it or not. They might stone homosexuals caught fornicating in public, but if a man has "Friends" he brings over for gay sex, it's his house, his rules they don't care and don't want to care. The state recognizes it stands on the shoulders of the houses in the form of taxes, service, etc., so it respects them their right to their domain and privacy. That's the theory behind a "Republic". Even a Roman Emperor would ask permission before entering a house, not doing so would be far worse than the (likely fictional I hope) behavior at the "Wedding" part in "Caligula".

So, Muhammad, by making laws that violated that, went really far. He essentially stopped the using of infants as one-time disposable sex toys. He made it so while yes, underage sex and marriage were still possible, the 'owner' had to be responsible for them and the bare minimum of sane age limits. (well for that time) And he made a reasonable limit to polygamy, though slavery had a loophole still, and rules to prevent people from starving to death their slaves. (sexual or non) The real controversy he dealt with was "How DARE you say what a man can or cannot do in his own house!? It's one thing to make laws in public, any ruler can do that to the point of madness, but in one's own house?" and that was a strong by-product of Rome's influence.

I'm almost surprised there was no mention of anyone on 2ch complaining about how a Japanese psychiatric clinic was citing an American book for the definition…

…but only almost, since I would hope there'd be a global standard for defining any sort of medical condition, mental or otherwise, regardless of who updates the "rulebook," as it were.

ok i LOLd.

I think you guys are forgetting the most important fact. You speak of ethics, yet you forget the human nature. Young women those who went through puberty. Technically is free game. Now we place 18 as an age to prevent unwanted pregnancies and the fact that people are retreded(that was intentional). But biologically men like young women because they are most healthiest hosts for children. And with the sheer number of hormones put into products like milk, girls are physically maturing a lot sooner than they used to, hence they look the part of a ready to mate female.

Yes I am restating that most have posted earlier. Point is as long as you don't do it, its not wrong :P.

Half + 7 rule, guys.

What should I do to be a pedo or lolicon or something like that?

I may be mistaken on this, but from what I knew, lolicon was for 2D.

I choose the girl with the backpack. :)

Although frankly the only one that truly matters is the legal definition for your country. I'd be much worse off in the states, for example. 13-20 is the range of girls I find attractive, and it rarely escapes out of that range. And if so, it's because they posess youthful features. In the states that would mean over 75% of my demographic is illegal =(

It's really an inconvenience more than anything. I find myself envious of the people who are into the big tit pornstar mature look, because as I see it, that demographic is everywhere. That or everyone strives for it because it's probably the concensual standard for most males.

Unfortunately, not I. Also for the record anything 2D is okay. That is why it is okay to fap to Fate even if she is really only 9 years old. Unless I was in Australia. Or possibly the States.

........to be sent to a treatment facility for andronenic hormone suppresion, also known as CASTRATION or Neutering. Those guys being put in the bus do not know whats coming hehehe....

it's all good to me.

shit.

SUFFERING from a Lolita complex? Surely, you must be joking...

I'm like 67 and I like a 13 year old girl
am I a pedo?

Hey! This informative AND fun! Any idea if there are translations for more of these?

To any moralfags out there:

The Virgin Mary was 14 when she concieved.

Hmm... Still that doesn't make any radical point. Yeah liking 13-17 year old girls doesn't make you a pedophile, it makes you an ephibophile though. And you are still gonna be persecuted by the law in most countries i think if for example the parents of the girl accuse you of exploiting the "innocence" of their daughter.

Heh, that was an enjoyable read. I see that it's marked as "translated by sankaku complex". Who did the translating and editing?

art quality is actually pretty good for a awareness manga.

it seems tome that manga does more influence and education than those american-drawn comics

Let's state the facts:
We all have a lolicon, and just some of us are real pedos who should go to jail.

Saying liking lolicon doesn't make you a pedophile is like saying fapping to Tom of Finland's artwork doesn't make you gay.

Interestingly enough, men who are sexually attracted to girls between 14-18 are hebephiles. It's like advanced pedophilia, but isn't as frowned upon (most likely because a 14 year old either understands sexual pleasure or the whole "we're animals and animals want to mate as soon as they're reproductively capable.

So if someone is sexually attracted to a person under the age of 13 they're mentally ill even if the person doesn't act on it? I don't buy it.

I'll bluntly state it again: THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH PEDOSEXUALITY! It is just a sexuality that the religioloonies and others (who have never met a pedosexual in their lives in most cases and rely too much on what the media says) bash upon because: 1. Having a wonderful sexual encounter with ANYONE as a child is the number one religion buster in the world and 2. They wish to think that children are 'lesser' than themselves and need their 'protection' (which, if pedosexuality was brought out into the open, those children WOULDN'T need any more protection than ADULTS having sexual encounters with other adults).

I think I am in love with Dr Ryo <3

i went for b).... then what the fuck i'm? a pedophile or lolicon?

"clinic or jail"?
LoL this really make me laugh XD

does anyone know what that parody is on pic #2?

as a person who's had a d cup since the 3rd grade and sexual abuse victim, i think this sort of manga is a good idea and those creepy if they can bleed they can breed creeps out there need to wonder : what if they are just not mentally ready or aware of long term emotional consequences??