France is set to enact a ban on “psychological violence” occurring between couples, with accusations of insults and verbal abuse leading to criminal prosecutions.
The ban, intended mainly to “protect” women from spousal abuse, would redefine rows between married and cohabiting couples as “psychological violence,” on the basis that “mental and verbal abuse” occur, causing psychological harm.
Even supporters of the law admit that prosecution would likely be based solely on the word of the accuser versus that of the accused, already a significant problem with crimes such as rape.
One psychiatrist supporter of the bill argues for it even if there is “no proof” of a crime, though she concedes caution is required:
“I think it’s important to have a law but it must be formulated so there isn’t too much risk of manipulation or mistakes.
I treat people whose lives have been torn apart but they haven’t been hit. There are no physical marks, no proof.”
She suggests that recorded phone calls and the opinion of psychiatrists could be used in place of traditional evidence.
She insists insults lead to physical violence:
“It’s a relationship which is based on control and domination – and if you want to prevent physical violence, you have to take action early on.
Even if there are no physical blows, it’s still devastating.”
A lawyer supporting the law dismisses the notion that there could be any difficulties proving guilt in such cases:
“There are other crimes which are also hard to prove, such as bullying or harassment in the workplace.
For a long time people said you can’t have a law against bullying because it’s too difficult to prove, but now there is a law and people get convicted.”
The ban is said to have a good chance of passing, being supported by the Prime Minister, lawmakers and feminist groups.
It seems broadening the crime of “psychological violence” to include criticism of groups and individuals is the logical next step…
Via the BBC.
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You know, at a certain point the vagina isn't worth putting up with all the rest of it. Women, men don't need you THAT much (well, as long as we have opposable thumbs).
The best way to respond to this law is to not interact with women in any way at all, lest something insult her. Unless ignoring her is also considered under the law as being insulting! In which case, simply repeat "Bonjour!" to her no matter what.
Speaking to women without being a prick is actually pretty easy, you should try it.
Thank you ma'am. May I please have another?
lehnerus2000
It's a nice idea trying to get at it early. But that's what couple counseling is for right? This is too impractical to be a law.
France are the country of fags(sarkozy is the proof)
Bah ça m'étonne pas de la part des français, en plus comme on peut le voir y a trop pd voir les commentaire franco pécédent. (viva Switzerland!!!!!)
France is the country of fags(sarkozy is the proof)
Bah ça m'étonne pas de la part des français, en plus comme on peut le voir y a trop pd voir les commentaire franco pécédent. (viva Switzerland!!!!!)
Why do I get the feeling that this law is going to do a lot more harm than good? Everyone says something they don't mean when they're angry.. then they have makeup sex for if (if they're a couple usually). Now people have to worry if they tell them something and that person takes it the wrong way and sues them. I guess in france you can just kill them though and say it was a "crime of passion" then get off.
But however, banning insults? Isn't this something that leads to bottling up emotions as well? Does that mean you can't critize people anymore..? This seems like one of those bullshit handjob laws that politicians give chunks to the public to make them feel better.
And it's suppose to help women? Are we suppose to believe women are so delicate if they're called a bitch that they'll be scarred for life? Is that the kind of equality people what? That's disgusting. I guess this is a law for everyone though.
Let's see how long it lasts, or maybe in a few years it'll be one of those stupid laws you see like you can't eat ice cream on sunday afternoon or something dumb like that.
Go France!
Oops, I meant to say:
Go away France! Far, far away.
In other news
Marriage between men and women plummets. Marriiages with 2D spouses rockets.
That has to be the stupidest law in history.
Someone would have to have a lower glial cell count then a lemur to support such a poorly thought out bill.
All the country is turning to faggot land more equality more destroyed
Past Pro
1.man was superior
2.women love man equally since there not even allow to betray there man
3.black man never talk shit
Future Con
1.Female treat man like tool
2.Female become money hungry
3.Female not afraid to be slut actually enjoy it to the extreme for cash
4.Man goes along with women since women tragic past what retarded man
5.Female power hungry banned loli,rape game and other thing while remember in the past female can't aquire this because were superior after all haha
6.now days we hear black people use there wide ass mouth and fucking curse alot while in the past they just shut the fuck up
7.now days we see white faggot wannabe black and does hip hop what faggot
8.Homosexual what fag they lost there fucking mind this is an abomination they deserve to go to hell
9. Lesbian a girl who wanna be man obviously they want man fucking power which they can't really aquire since there girl in reality not in false illusion where one want to be what they are actually not
remember this world turn to shit once Equality is involve and remember this Female and Black are taking revenge to us Male who is superior before Equality come by us to hand them our power they don't appreciate what we did for them which is free them from those disaster
P.S Homosexual lower male rank since the guy wanna be fucking girl eww and Lesbian boost girl rank since man have more power now see who have been outsmarted all along
Maybe you should study English grammar before you spout your KKK nonsense.
This is what happens when you follow feminist manifesto to its natural end; a police state that holds men to a different standard (unfair standard) than women.
Europe's socialized medicine isn't such a bad thing, but the police state laws like:
Banning violent video games for adults
Three strikes your out (no internet for life) for P2P
And a ban on even replica guns
Has me saying no thanks to the social democratic countries of Europe.
It's just laws... Don't be afraid, these laws almost never apply.
So why the fuck don't they use their harassment laws instead of making new ones?
Man, France is a shit country it seems.
hey Frenchies... Click this:
http://worldwide-web.com/JeffreyBabad/Simpsons/Willie/french.wav
Hehehehehe. Some day soon, that will be against the law.
Does this also outlaw criticizing politicians?
It is possible to criticise them without using insults.
Playing your average rap song in France will now generate about 32 lawsuits against you?
Playing your average rap song in France will now generate about 32 lawsuits against you?
This coming from a world where real men are becoming a dying breed.
For real men don't use words alone to convey their feelings, but through action. Words are just an accessory.
Welcome to the 21st century, my grunting, caveman acquaintance. Looks like men are going to have to act like civilised human beings, rather than continue being testosterone-filled meatheads.
I can get behind that.
Not knowing about this "law" (altough I'm french), I did some research only to found that the "ban" isn't sure to pass at all and that the law hasn't even been written yet. The guy (François Fillon) who proposed the law has been very clear that it wasn't about "mere insults" but real psychological violence (the article of the BBC provides an example) that can result in severe depression.
Thank you for being a rational human being, and not a whinning misogynist.
Just another silly law open to all kinds of abuse.
Soon they will try to ban love itself.
Sex will only be used for reproduction and robots will be introduced to satisfy all other bodily needs until a law is made to protect robot rights.
I HOPE EVERY FEMINIST GETS RAPED, SO THEY CAN HAVE REAL REASONS TO HATE MEN.
I FART IN YOUR GENERAL DIRECTION; YOUR MOTHER WAS A HAMSTER AND YOUR FATHER SMELT OF ELDERBERRIES There, Frog-A-Stan, take that!
I know how about making a reality talent show FRANCE IDOL or FRANCE GOT TALENT to judge our fave judge asshole SIMON COWELL see if he can do what he usually do in France and got away from it!
I'm insulted by the existence of the French.
Sorry guys, but this is Bullshit.
Although the law has good chances of passing because almost nobody heard of it, forget the "prime minister supporting the law" thing. This Prime minister is less than a presidents puppet: the President decides all, the president rules all, that's why we call him Nicolas the First and the press already call his son the Prince Jean (read Robin Hood again).
By the way, the insults are already part of the french language, and the word "whore" is like the word "fuck" for U.S. Rappers... just a link between phrases.
This well intended but useless law has good chances of changing nothing at all. And we have other issues here.
M.
What would Judge Dredd do?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6cyDsuNx_U
How many revolutions do you French have to make before you realize your on a cycle?
You mean "you're".
I believe this law is an attempt to potentially criminalize _everyone_, at the discretion of the government, under the false guise of protecting the public.
(At home, #1)
"What the hell did you do to my Xbox 360?!"
*zikkkkk of handcuffs - he's arrested*
(At home, #2)
"You loaned my Miata to your dumb-ass sister?!"
*zikkkkk of handcuffs - he's arrested*
(At a LAN party)
"Ride my Quad-Damage Meat-Rocket, you raggedy-assed motherfucker!!"
*zikkkkk of handcuffs - he's arrested*
(On the street)
"I don't have to say shit to you without my lawyer, pig!"
*zzzert of Taser, then zikkkk of handcuffs - he's arrested*
(At home, #3)
"Your hair? Oh, yeah. Well, it looks like you had it done at the Hollyrock Beauty Salon; did you always want to look like Betty Rubble's of the Flintstones?"
*zikkkkk of handcuffs - he's arrested*
(At home, #4)
"You cheating little slut!! Fuck you, fuck him, and fuck your shit. Get the hell out of my life!! NOW!!"
*zikkkkk of handcuffs - he's arrested*
I believe you are exagerating the terms of the law. What they mean to criminalise the psychological abuse that causes trauma, not everyday insults you have mentioned.
I must say, the picture is cute though.
And, what will this be other than another weapon in the hands of the "Modern Women who seek to destroy men" and the Corporation 1984 Big Brother working on getting an "Anti-Sex League" entrenched?
So now adults can be "tattletales..."
HE CALLED ME A BITCH! D:
listen guys I'm french and I've never heard about that...
the only barely political stuff you can find in our newspaper are "a new song of the pres' wife just came out" or picture of them on holidays... ( presidential holidays are 32 weeks a year here )
no, it's no like they do actual work ... I want to go to japan >>
This is a touchy subject. I understand and even agree that pyschological harm can be just as bad if not worse than phyiscal harm.
That said, this is potentially a huge blow and problem to freedom of speech, something that is equally important to human mental health.
This is not a black and white issue.I think it needs to be studied further for better decisions to be made.
This is completely messed up. This is the most ridiculious law i've ever heard about. God the world is definitely on it's way to getting rid of men.
Hell this is going to be so messed up.
When did you realize this, haha, another bad law to the books. I for one thing love is a joke, just have sex and move on.
so the french are banning...being french isn't all they do smoke not wash and ridicule others?
Those are stereotypes, my friend.
Pure idiocy. I hope it grinds their justice system to a halt.
man french goverment people being affected by emotional irrational feminism too much.
They truly want to show how tough they are protecting women,because i don't think this will help men when women start insulting too much and then they say take it like a man -_-(they mean pussy)
Didn't know they had a bunch of pussified manginas in their goverment.Unless the law can actually be fair to both then try it.
But still banning insults sound stupid,maybe they should make programs how to train people to do something themselfs in their relationship.
Work on your grammar, you misogynist.
To state something else, "psychological violence" is a load of bullplop. It is meant to turn humans into weak-minded, whimpering idiots who shie away from even the slightest controversy or confrontation.... i.e. turning us into the slaves of government, which as an extreme liberal, I don't use that term very often!
Well, as a French woman, I think this law could be good for victims. Really. My father kinda do that to my mother when they were married. He said everyday that what my mother did was no good, she was useless, she can't do something, even work... during 20 years. He didn't hit her but she died because of that. Depression and then suicide. I really, really think this law could be good.
This is not a simple "oh you insulted me, I'll go tell the cops!" law. Arguing is normal in a couple but destroying somebody (woman or man) everyday is not right.
I guess there will be something like couple specialists or psychoanalysts to determine if there is actually verbal violences.
Et aux Français : regardez les infos de temps en temps, ça vous fera pas de mal.
what about men,there are more women then men,yet they are the most suicidal.Problem is that the male minority is treated like shit just becouse,most of the women are voters and can decide things on emotions,irrational things and everybody knows how wrong those decisions are and you want to force others to do things when you have such emotions.
This law should be helpfull to men also,otherwise can it.
It should be already canned since it's a stupid law.People have choices to leave a relationship or say something back.
Tu reves, la... cette loi reste administrative et inapplicable. C'est avec de tels raisonnements que j'ai vote oui a l'Europe, et t'as vu le resultat?
Les news? On les lit ailleurs.
A trop regarder les infos on devient formate et on croit ce que le gouvernement nous dit.
And there are ALREADY laws in France for those cases... and really, the person in question who is being 'torn down' by that, unless they are LOCKED IN A ROOM and HANDCUFFED TO A BED..... can LEAVE!
Use the STONES and leave, or snipe RIGHT BACK at the person in question. Then, if that other person gets PHYSICALLY VIOLENT.... they can have that person thrown in jail for assault and battery.
You are insane if you REALLY think this law is a good law. The fact is that if someone is being verbally abused, they have a choice to LEAVE THE FUCKING RELATIONSHIP!
They are not held in by a goddamned ball & chain in most cases. Financial? Sorry, DOESN'T MATTER!
France needs to realize that there is NOTHING WRONG with insulting someone... EVEN YOUR WIFE... if she doesn't like you doing that... either she doesn't say the stupid comments, or if you are bashing her verbally for no reason..... SHE CAN LEAVE YOU!
Cette loi est surtout un brin inappliquable :roll:
une françaisE sur sankaku...
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... ... ... ÉPOUSE MOI !
why don't peopel just ....you know...leave each other if this happens?
Good question... and the one that EVERY FUCKING ONE OF US should be asking the IDIOTS who passed this law.
It's just plain old STUPIDITY to have a law like this, it is WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY too easy to abuse and gives prosecutors way too much power!
These laws need to DISAPPEAR... or be challenged every single time they are passed in the courts, and OVERTURNED.
goverment needs to keep out of our privacy.
Insults are something that happen both ways.
You can keep insulting her/him if that's a pleasure.
Like in a rape, you don't HAVE to sue nobody.
My girlfriend has serious psychological harm because of that. Her ex-boyfriend used to insult her all the day to control and dominate her. Because of that bastard she became aggressive and has no confidence in herself, and I live a hell.
I'm insulted by the existence of morons who think all the Frenchs agree with laws like this one
BUT FRENCH PEOPLE NOT BE RUDE THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE!!!
Now, this is the stupidest law in history. I am an extreme liberal, but even I think that an 'insult' against a person should NOT be a crime.
If you don't like someone and wish to insult them... that should be YOUR PREROGATIVE TO DO, with the other person just not spending time with you if they don't like that.
So I can call the cops if my wife refuses to have sex?
I had a girlfriend who had married someone like that, too (she divorced him later).
The thing is, if you're a controlling, manipulative asshole, you don't need to use insulting words. Just the tone and volume of voice alone is enough to psychogically "smack someone around".
I believe that most of this sort of psych-abuse actually is applied by (bad) parents to their children.
She married him because all women love assholes and jerks, not the nice guys. She is actually still/again sleeping with him.
Asuka: Anta baka!
Shinji: *insulted*
Asuka: OH SHI-
yeah... this isn't gonna get abused at all...
there are tons of girls out there that accuse their ex (or current) boyfriends of rape. but in those cases, there are usually *some* kind of evidence to support the claim, or bust it.
... this though?
imagine: I don't buy the correct gucci-bag for my GF... or not the correct mobile.. or perhaps I get enough of having a shallowbrained idiot for a GF and dump her..
she'll accuse me of 'psychological violence' and prolly feel quite justified. and vindicated when I go to jail (or whatever the equivalent would be) ..
while those who this law is designed to help, the women who *actually* are in a psychologically abusive relationship have to suffer... prolly wont get any help at all.
imagine: anyone who posts regularly on sankaku having a girlfriend
...maybe that's a little too far-fetched
Bitch yous crazy.
Hohohohoho..wewewe we like cheery.
"It started when I got pregnant," she told me. "He would start by saying that I was very fat, that I was ugly, of course, that I wasn't any use for anything, that I couldn't even work."
hmm i don't what to think of this.
If it's only her pregnancy that made her fat,or was she still fat after that and didn't listen to his man that she could lose some weight again to be attractive to him again.
And that she couldn't even work,maybe when she was pregnant at that time it is ok to not work only when really needed for the child,but if she wasn't working when she was still allowed to at least at home i can agree with the man.
Sometimes men say things the women needs to fix,other times they are just bastards.
"I thought I was going to go crazy and he said, 'OK are you going crazy? I'm just going to drop you at the psychiatric asylum'. And that's what he did."
This guy knows his stuff,we can never know if the woman was to blame here for problems.
what the fuck is this shit?!
NOMAAM!!!
I'm french, and I didn't hear a thing about this law...
Saying that france is a fucked up place, is not really true. Our president is a fucked up SOB, we aren't.
I'm tired of so many stupid laws (like hadopi — french stupidest version of DMCA), sometimes I'm think we live in some dictatorship in France... Someday, we will rebel.
Enjoy the fruits of democracy.
Same here, french and I've never heard about this.
I just hope it's not true.
"On average, almost three women die each week in France after being assaulted by a partner or ex-partner."
Is that quote true?
It's called socialism buddy. Get used to it.
like last time? people need to rebel more often - keeps the govt in check.
TO sensitive .....
Does calling someone ugly also count as a "psychological violence" ?
why is pain so bad?
Pain learns us about things we must do.
It should make you think how to make yourself more prettier,more attractive,more feminit.
Can't help but think that the woman was incompetent there in understanding how should she please her husband.
Can insulting really lead to death and/or mental instability?
Once, someone got blasted by a chain of profanity and he struck the jackpot 2 nights later. lol
correlation ≠ causation
I just like saying ^that, I know you were joking.
ahh...finally some peace and quiet in this chaotic world. in the future, using sarcasm and insulting people online can be sued.
Oh hey, your haircut's NIIIIICE
*sued, banned and jailed*
Looks like any jokes would get us a life sentence, too
Laws won't help men that much,maybe it will a little,but it's called feminism control.
Btw can't wait for divorces and relationship problems sky rocketing now.
Certainly i hope it helps those who need it and not those who abuse it.
But this law is pretty stupid,unless you record voices and acts with vids.
Strange bullying can't be proved.But what is when people see bullying like they knew it with me,but didn't do anything.Oh well i was the strange one thinking it would be bad to hit them that i could get in trouble.Fail logic becouse of catholics for being a good guy.So i had to have a bad time.
RAAAAAAEG!!!
People are becoming stupider these days...
Husband: Your honor I never called her a lardy lard fatass whale whore.
Wife: BUT YOU DIDN'T COMPLIMENT HOW THE COLOR OF MY DRESS MATCHES MY EYES!
Femijudge: Jesus H Fucking Christ...lock him up for 30 years!
hehehe, it's is nice how this comes from the mecca of fashion.
"oh no no no, those colours simply do NOT go together... it's an *insult* to my eyes"
judge: "lock him up!"
I guess with the law glass walls and glass ceilings are included so they can monitor all house holds constantly? Hay that would make a lot of new jobs for single people wouldn't it - House Watchers the glass wall viewers - .
Vat de fark are you tolking abot? >.>
I know insults are wrong and they hurt people pschologically, but it's still freedom of speech!
You can't go through life without being insulted. If you are going to be hurt or offended every time you are insulted, you might as well just go and kill yourself.
There's a world between insults and psychological torture.
that's why the quote is in the article:
“I think it’s important to have a law but it must be formulated so there isn’t too much risk of manipulation or mistakes.
I treat people whose lives have been torn apart but they haven’t been hit. There are no physical marks, no proof.”
Except different people have different levels of tolerance when it comes to being insulted. One person may be able to take any kind of insult (some may even take the insult as a compliment) where as another person may break down at even the smallest insult. It really depends on the person's mental stability.
I plead for more stable persons out there. I love to point out things I'm uncomfortable with. You got fat, even a cat can add 1 and 1, I think you're cute, but you're definitely dumb. Small things like that.
People need to deal with some words and it's really way to easy to abuse this kind of law. I admit there is such a thing as psychological torture, there really is. But I still think this is a step in the wrong direction. How about teaching children some morals so they can grow up to be fine adults who wouldn't do bad things on purpose?
reminds me of black adder :
Edmond : they say that verbal abuse hurts more then physical. Im going to prove it wrong by sticking this fork in your head .
"I love swearing in French. It's like wiping your ass with silk."
-Merovingian (The Matrix Reloaded)