Nintendo Kills Zelda Fan Film

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Nintendo has conspicuously shut down a Zelda fan film on copyright grounds, disappointing fans who held the work in high regard.

The Legend of Zelda: Hero of Time,” a 100 minute live action fan film inspired by ocarina of Time, was released late in 2009, but seems to have attracted the attention of Nintendo, who promptly shut it down.

The trailer is still visible for the moment:

The creators “voluntarily” withdrew the film from circulation:

Hey, everyone. We just wanted to let you know that Dec. 31 was the last day that The Hero of Time was available for viewing.

We came to an agreement with Nintendo earlier this month to stop distributing the film. In the spirit of the holiday season they were good enough to let us keep the movie up for you to watch and enjoy through the end of 2009, but not past 2009.

We understand Nintendo’s right to protect its characters and trademarks and understand how in order to keep their property unspoiled by fan’s interpretation of the franchise, Nintendo needs to protect itself — even from fan-works with good intentions.

Curiously, Nintendo generally leaves doujinshi and other such unauthorised derivative works alone in Japan, where even semi-commercial fan-works with purely pornographic intentions pass completely unmolested, with the relationship between fandom and publishers understood to be a symbiotic rather than adversarial one.



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    Comment by Anonymous
    06:24 05/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    that link is not a man, NAY

    Comment by Anonymous
    06:30 05/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    I'm not surprised with Nintendo shutting down a fan-made movie but it's obvious why they won't touch doujins with a ten-foot pole.

    Just imagine the headlines:
    "Nintendo Cockblocks Link in lastest Zelda Porn Crackdown"

    Talk about tarnishing their "family-friendly" name...

    Comment by Anonymous
    06:22 05/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    >Nintendo generally leaves doujinshi and other such unauthorised derivative works alone

    link plz =D

    Comment by Anonymous
    06:21 05/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    >Nintendo generally leaves doujinshi and other such unauthorised derivative works alone

    link plz =D

    Comment by Anonymous
    06:32 05/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Change the names to Zolda and Lank and re-release it, problem solved.

    Comment by motaku96
    09:38 05/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    That looked pretty good. Especially for a fan made movie.

    Comment by ChaosAngelZero
    09:39 05/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Of course Nintendo will try to screw up as many fans-- err, I mean copyright violators as possible as long as it doesn't give them overly negative press (which banning any and all forms of fan material in Japan would most probably cause).

    Comment by Anonymous
    07:46 05/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Why should Nintendo be faulted for shutting it down?
    They have every right to.

    Besides, this "film" looked like crap anyways.

    Comment by Anonymous
    11:43 05/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    your judging with out seeing

    Comment by Anonymous
    11:43 05/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    your judging with out seeing asshole

    Comment by Anonymous
    06:48 05/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Just to piss of Nintendo, can someone tell me where can I download ROMS?

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:23 05/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Trailer looks rather poor anyway. Perhaps Nintendo were embarrassed with the quality?

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:23 05/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    I would've told nintendo to go fuck themselves and just leave the video up..

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:13 05/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    so if a famous hollywood directer wanted to shit on a franchise im sure nintendo would not only jump with glee but would also spend millions of dollars to produce it.

    the chun li movie rocked btw :p

    Comment by Anonymous
    04:01 05/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Who cares, it's shit...
    The April Fools trailer from a few years ago looked awesome, they should make that

    Comment by Tateha
    04:03 05/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    another example of Nintendo just being ass hats to the western market. if this was doujinshi in japan they wouldn't give a shit. but once you get a group of american white dudes doing their own thing, they drop the hammer on them.

    Comment by NakkiNyan
    04:55 05/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Nintendo and Nintendo of America are damn near separate companies. The different approaches to fanfic is not a surprise.

    Comment by Anonymous
    04:08 05/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    The key there is the word "American"

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:19 05/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Pfft, I would've told nintendo to go fuck themselves and leave it posted anyway.

    Comment by Barbarian of Gor
    04:38 05/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    I think it's dumb of Nintendo to do that, even if the fan movie sucks syphilitic donkey dick.

    "Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery" it's a French saying, but also used by George Lucas.

    First, he dealt with "Turkish Star Wars". The people of Turkey wanted "Star Wars" imported, but their government wanted to keep their culture "Pure" so they commissioned their own version of the movie. Kind of imagine "Land of the Lost" meets 70's "Martial Arts" movies and has some Star Wars footage and the Star Wars and "Indiana Jones" music put in...

    I've heard that in "Turkish Prison" they offer it as "rehabilitation" to very vile criminals, like ones who kill and rape little girls or drink alcohol in public... The fools usually accept: "I can watch a stupid movie for three hours, beats twenty years in torture chamber!" Then they get strapped to a chair, "Clockwork Orange" style and watch the movie. In the main dungeon, the torturers hear their screams and pause from their ghastly work, shuddering with guilt and fear.

    ---Think I'm joking? Watch it on YouTube

    Now, of course, George Lucas had nothing to do with this. He heard about it, got a copy and watched it. He said, "Well, I couldn't sue them even if I wanted to. Turkey has no copyright treaty with the United States... And, well, imitation is the highest form of flattery, so I can only forgive." he looked stunned and mentioned he'd like to communicate with them, that if they wanted to make any more movies he'd have his studio help at very reasonable costs...

    Later, when computer technology made digital movie making accessible to most people, a few "Fan Made" Star Wars movies came out. Likewise, George Lucas said he'd accept them as long as they made no money from it. His rationale on copyright is 70s and non-mickey mouse. He's against copying the star wars tape and giving it to friends, but making your own stuff on your own time, well it's flattery and if anything free advertisement.

    Comment by Anonymous
    06:30 05/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Lest you forget.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2002/04/28/movies/28HARM.html?pagewanted=1

    Comment by Anonymous
    04:28 05/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Wait, so Nintendo lets Wand of Gamelon and Faces of evil get made and, adding insult to injury, distributed, but a FAN FILM get's canned?

    What the hell, Nintendo? What the hell?

    Comment by Amadeviant
    04:17 05/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Take that! Fans of our franchise that you helped support. We don't take kindly to folks that take kindly 'round here.....Oh, It sucked?? Vault that shit then.

    Comment by Anonymous
    04:20 05/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Reminds me of how Square axed Chrono Resurrection back in the day :(

    Comment by Anonymous
    23:56 06/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Seen the movie, not the best piece of fan made movie I've seen, they could have looked for people who can act but I don't think Nintendo was right to shut them down. Then again the horror that was Mario probably still haunts Nintendo to this very day.

    Comment by Anonymous
    04:07 06/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Thank goodness it wasn't Legend of Neil.

    Comment by Pedo-Bear
    06:54 06/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Don't know about you guys but the trailer looks like a B-movie? But still there are budgeted game movie for you guys can enjoy like Metal Gear:Philanthropy you can watch this at
    http://www.watch-movies-online.tv/movies/metal_gear_solid_philanthropy/

    Comment by James
    14:14 05/08/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    I personally loved the trailer and wanted to see the film so badly. It looked like it had a good story and decent effects (for a fanfilm that is) and I'm a fan of Zelda (not so much the newer games, really) so when I first saw the trailer, I nearly had a nerdgasm. I'm still a fan of Nintendo, even though they commited possibly the biggest mistake they have ever made. And I noticed someone mention the Megaman film in one of the above comments... that film was actually decent, and actually had Asian actors (oddly enough, though, they all played the robot characters).

    Comment by Anonymous
    21:25 19/09/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    The Legend of Nelda: Times of Copyright

    Should of produced it under that name.. would of made it...

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:13 09/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Just another reason why copyright needs to be changed.

    Comment by Kiljoy616
    14:34 07/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Call it something neutral and give Nintendo the Finger. But since I know how Law works they would have needed some major money just to keep Nintendo off their back in court even if it was not based on Zelda.

    The real world is so cool with all these fools in it.

    Comment by man1
    02:15 08/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    "Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery"?

    Seems like N*ntenDONT was too proud to let this movie off the hook. Perhaps making a movie (in comparison to "smaller", more "subtle" doujinshii) based on a certain (very) famous character is crossing the line in this one? I think if the movie were to be made by Japanese, it would've encounter the same fate, no?

    Like other commenters say, sooner or later, the movie will be available to curious ones out there. In Internet, resistance is somewhat futile?

    Comment by Abel Liegod
    13:48 08/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    ow come on
    cant your fans dream a little?
    if you dont wanna make a movie, just let the fans make it theirself...

    Comment by Anonymous
    11:46 05/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    why the F does every one think the movie was bad do you want some uwe bol person to do it i think not.
    It's decent it drags on allot but once the movie gets to its climax its great the swordfighting etc. it just really bugs me.
    Dont judge a film unless you have a valid source or you have seen it.

    Comment by Anonymous
    11:56 05/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Lol i saw this movie bout a week ago. it wasnt too bad for a fan fic, i've defenitly seen worse.

    Comment by Anonymous
    12:39 05/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    This movie happen right after the Super Mario Brothers movie. It leaves off where the movie ended and the Marios make a camio

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:51 05/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    WHAT THE HELL IS THAT! MAN OR WOMAN? ANIWAY... MINE!!

    Comment by Anonymous
    Comment by Anonymous
    19:39 05/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    lol, did any1 else notice "link" did'nt say a single word in the ign trailer? :P

    Comment by Anonymous
    20:33 05/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    The last time I heard, parody works and copyrighted characters were allowed to be used as long as:

    1. You say flat out that you are not connected with Nintendo in any fashion or any other copyright-owning company.

    2. The work is tasteful to the objective observer if released on a website where anyone can get it if they wish to (I.E. no sex stuff unless it's on a site with parental controls and a password login needed).

    Now, that is American law.... I'm not sure if the laws are different where this guy is living, but most times in the rest of the world, the laws are even more lax than they are in the United States when it comes to parody and fan-made stuff.

    Comment by Artefact

    Try telling that to Disney.

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:47 05/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Dude, this film really sucks.

    Comment by Anonymous
    16:06 05/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    The one on youtube looks better than this one. the one that nintendo made on april fools day. If you havent seen it go to youtube & check it out.

    Comment by Anonymous
    14:48 05/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Thank god NIntendo shut down this shitty movie. Bad movies like these ruin the image of great games.

    Comment by Anonymous
    15:08 05/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Nintendo sucks dick!1 I wanted to see this shit but NOOOOOOO!!! family friendly dicks. They let every single hentai manga slide, no problem. But a fan film that looks kickass, they hop on it like rednecks on their cousins.

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:17 05/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    The trailer was great! It made me laugh for the fail that was filling up the screen! It's a great comedy!

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:11 05/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Maybe Nintendo thinks the movie is screwing up their sales because people are losing faith in Zelda after watching the film

    Comment by Rethardus
    21:50 04/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Nevertheless, the movie sucked. But it is a kick in the balls to get something offline when you worked years on it.

    In my opinion, Nintendo should leave it online, even though it is crappy, and even though it might damage the image Zelda has created.

    It's not like that this movie will ever make it into the cinema, nor gain popularity. So what does it matter?

    "Curiously, Nintendo generally leaves doujinshi and other such unauthorised derivative works alone in Japan, where even semi-commercial fan-works with purely pornographic intentions pass completely unmolested, with the relationship between fandom and publishers understood to be a symbiotic rather than adversarial one."

    That matter, I do understand. This movie can be seen everywhere online. However, the doujin policy is quite strict in Japan. You need to really SEARCH for it if you want to see it. That means that you choose for it, to have another view on Zelda. That's not the case with the movie.

    Also, another fact is that the creators already know that somewhere on the internet, someone already saved the movie, and probably will put it online again. It's not like a word of Nintendo will stop trivial stuff like that. Otherwise, the whole pirating industry would be down already.

    Comment by Anonymous
    06:21 05/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Can you give me a good explaination of the doujin policy? The OKs and the No-No's?

    Comment by DeathCrunch
    02:03 06/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    You're implying that because it's online people are somehow forced to watch it and gain a different viewpoint. I'm pretty sure I chose to watch it, nothing was holding me a gunpoint and telling me to watch.
    I hardly see how looking for a manga or stumbling across a barely promoted movie are any different.

    Comment by DFC
    21:48 04/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Thats because a real Zelda film is in the works!!!

    Comment by Anonymous
    21:48 04/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    I'm glad they shut it down.
    For those who complained: have you guys actually see the trailer??

    I know it's fan made and all, but they should have done it in smaller scope and not B-buster movie (b as in BAD)

    Comment by Anonymous
    21:44 04/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Good they shut it down, it looked like shit.

    Comment by Anonymous
    21:47 04/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Is like a bad joke ? Well in 2010 make a movie like that, even a amateur can do something better than this thing...

    So Nintenshit stop trying to make movies. thanks.

    Comment by SnooSnoo
    21:47 04/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    What do you expect? The makers were whites.

    Comment by Anonymous
    22:05 04/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    So true, so true.

    If it had been made by slanty-eyed yellowskin gooks it would probably have been better.

    Comment by Anonymous
    22:29 04/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    At last, they'll be able to spell Link's name corectly :D

    Comment by DeathCrunch
    01:55 06/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Spell maybe but if asians were doing the movie we'd only here people calling "Rink" all teh time since they don't say L's.
    would suck.

    Comment by Anonymous
    22:27 04/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Link looks way too damn old.

    Comment by tingle
    22:32 04/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    SOMEONE POST A DOWNLOAD LINK RIGHT FUCKING NOW!

    Comment by Anonymous
    Comment by Anonymous
    22:20 04/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Sure is ORIGINAL CHARACTERS DO NOT STEAL in here.

    Comment by Anonymous
    22:19 04/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    The Hentai doujinshi is a different matter.
    Nintendo used to be a love hotel long ago.
    So they can appreciate that.

    Comment by Anonymous
    Comment by Anonymous
    22:39 04/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    because it would surely be terrible (the trailer is indication of that) nothing is worse than weaboo fan movies (except maybe weaboo fan dubs). i hate you all

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:31 05/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    don't worry, we hate you too :)

    Comment by Anonymous
    21:25 04/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    the legend of zelda Evolution XD

    Comment by Anonymous
    21:15 04/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Nintendo doesn't seem to be the good company that it used to be.

    I am very disappointed at the double standards that they have set

    Comment by OTIKA
    01:14 05/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Except, they have always been uptight about copyright issues, especially their policy on ROM emulation.

    But as mentioned, nothing as petty as this.

    Comment by Anonymous
    21:13 04/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Hey, don't drag Doujinshi into this. What if they go after that stuff as well?

    Comment by GHS
    21:11 04/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Once again companies show their two-facedness.

    Comment by Gradius
    22:06 04/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Just fuck nintendo, no one needs that shitty company anymore!

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:20 07/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    sorry but this fan movie was an insult to the Zelda fanchise. If you actually liked this movie, you are not a true Zelda fan at all. Fuck off with your faggotry. This fan movie was complete shit. The actors were complete shit. And WTF Saria is Links adopted mother??

    Think before you speak. It was shut down because it insulted the series. If I never played a Zelda game in my life before and saw this movie first, then I would think Zelda is a piece of shit.

    Glad Nintendo took action. Not only was this movie bad, but the creators of it had a giant ego and wanted to look like a Hollywood blockbuster. Doing tours around the US and then wanting to release it on DVD. And yes, They were making money off of this shit. They were just covering up their asses.

    Comment by Anonymous
    21:22 04/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    you wouldn't want fans shitting all over you franchises either

    Comment by Anonymous
    06:29 05/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    OMG, completely. I had the unfortunate willpower to sit though and watch all of the fanflick. Man was it one of the worse crap-fests I have ever seen. If only nintendo had moved sooner so I would have missed it.

    Movie was shit, actors were shit, plot was shit. OoT may be an awesome game, but it would be a horrible movie.

    Comment by Anonymous
    18:51 06/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    "Doubt you will do better" or "If you haven't seen it, don't comment" are both entirely irrelevant and illogical arguments. If you brought that up in any respectable debate, you'd get shot down faster than a cannon fodder gundam facing the Freedom.

    Whether or not the commentor has the ability to do better is entirely irrelevant as to the actual quality of the work (and the commentor's right to comment about it). If it is bad, it is bad.

    Comment by Anonymous
    22:07 04/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Nintendo sucks balls.

    Comment by Anonymous
    07:10 05/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Doubt you will do something better; stop being so Nintendo about it...

    Comment by Anonymous
    06:32 05/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    And te wii is a fag console to gays who like to pee sitting.

    Comment by Darkrockslizer
    06:45 05/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Saw the trailer? Had that been my franchise I'd do everything possible to stop such western faggotry.

    If only the guys who sold Dragonballz to Hollywood realized the same thing...

    Comment by Anonymous
    16:50 06/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Movie is a piece of shit. Every character is horribly miscast and is a terrible actor. Link looks like a cross between Tidus and Raiden from MGS. Or just a gay pornstar.

    I hope that Capcom has the balls to do this with the Mega Man shitfest that is being made.

    Oh, and I'd rather fap to Zelda than play watch this video diarrhea. I am pretty sure Nintendo agrees with this too.

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:49 07/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Yeah you are a faggot. At least they tried to make something interesting.

    Comment by BlaqCat
    06:24 09/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Kudos to them for trying to make something interesting, unfortunately it did indeed look like shit. I don't think Nintendo should have stepped in, but I don't think of this as something I'd want to watch either (really, it's the same kind of bastardization we in the west are known for).

    Comment by Anonymous
    11:42 05/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    hero of time was alright the last part of the movie was the best i would say great swordplay.
    dont judge it unless you've seen it. also its better then supermariobros the movie.

    Comment by Myballz
    12:58 05/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Nintendo has been doing this for years even when Poketmonster fans wanted to share Information on stuff. Nintendo kept trying keep Poket Monster fans on a lid on stuff even Enforce there copy right laws agianst fans it seems if Nintendo wants to sue people just using there Image is being used as a Parody or something far worse then your going to find that fans won't buy your products.

    Comment by Anonymous
    13:34 05/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    When i read the article, is went Nintendo FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU, but then i saw the trailer and thanked Nintendo from the bottom of my heart for shutting down this blaphemy to Link's quality name.

    Comment by Anonymous
    22:17 04/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    actually from the trailer this seems so bad it might qualify as a parody which is an exception to copywright laws. that's how sat night live and mad tv get away with all the crap they do.

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:14 05/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    This is trademark law which is different than _Copyright_ laws.

    A company has to actively defend the use of their trademarks or else they lost it to common usage.

    Copyright = a right. Not Wright.

    Comment by OTIKA
    01:12 05/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Yes, because individual fans apparently have the production power of Hollywood.

    Over-expecting, much?

    Comment by cats
    00:05 05/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Watch the trailer, it looks beyond stupid and like a high school play that was shot before hand and had a budget for some early 90's special affects.

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:06 05/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Ironically enough,they actually would allow a doujinshi manga where link took a shit on zelda.

    Comment by Anonymous
    06:11 05/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    It's gonna be available as a torrent for long, long time.

    Congratulations Nintendo, you have created the Streisand Effect.

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:06 05/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    That trailer was a well made april fools joke done by IGN. Shame it wasn't real, because it almost looked decent.

    Comment by Kyon Theorist
    03:04 05/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Dreck, you're thinking of the April fools day joke done by IGN, I believe.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBCzkz3gHb8

    Comment by B. Katarn
    04:58 05/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    That's actually WHY they made this film.

    Comment by Dreck
    01:56 05/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Actually I thought I remember seeing a different trailer to a independent film of zelda about a year 1/2 ago or so... it looked a hell of alot better than this - but now I'm starting to wonder if its the same or what X_X

    Comment by Anonymous
    21:35 04/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Ever seen Assassins Creed fanmade movie?
    Well, it was crap! So would have this movie be if they did not stop it.

    Comment by DeathCrunch
    21:36 04/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    It was stopped a month after distribution.
    Does that not denote to you the status of it's completion?

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:41 05/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Lord of the Rings fan-made pretty good imo

    Comment by Anonymous
    22:11 04/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    well the trailer is still crap so the complete work is crap

    Comment by DeathCrunch
    01:08 05/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Compared to all the utter masterpiece fan-made works you've had the pleasure of viewing I imagine?

    Comment by Anonymous
    23:25 04/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    There's nothing "curious" about tolerating doujins but not this movie. That'd be because comapnies like Nintendo are litterally many-faced, being multinationals, ie aggregates of several companies that actually each have their own policies. Nintendo's japanese component tolerates doujins, and Nintendo of America doesn't tolerate fan movies. Two different companies, two different policies.

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:54 05/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Its Nintendo America is why we can't stand Nintendo anymore. They're complete idiots that push hardware, casual shovelware and other crap we don't care about.





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