A career criminal who was left brain-damaged after being beaten by the family he held hostage was spared prison only to go on a fresh crime spree, which courts refused to prosecute him for as he was ruled unfit to plead.
Meanwhile the man who injured him whilst defending his family is serving a 2 and half year prison sentence.
The 57-year-old convicted criminal previously invaded a UK millionaire’s home with a gang of knife-wielding hoodlums, threatening to kill the family he captured if they resisted.
However, the robbery went awry and the burglars were attacked by their victims, with the gang’s leader being caught and severely beaten.
Police however saw fit to arrest the burglary victim, with courts finding him and his brother guilty of inflicting grievous bodily harm and handing each several years in prison, whilst courts subsequently released the burglar on the grounds that his injuries prevented his trial or imprisonment.
After being hospitalised for two weeks the burglar immediately returned to his life of crime, being charged with a number of offences, but courts refused to prosecute him due to his injuries, which included “brain damage,” a fractured skull and a broken jaw, ruling that although he was evidently fit to commit crime, he was not fit to stand trial.
Via the Daily Mail.
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So that burglar is continuously spared just because he has brain damage? Wondering what's next... Psycho serial killers are allowed to go out and kill people all the time because they have mental "illness"?
didn't think the UK law is more worst justice system than philippines
What the hell are the courts thinking?
Since Nobody will ever knew who i am so i post this... once a buglar went to our house at 4 am after we had a party . 1 of my friens nocked him down and we forced him to take sleeping pills... after we stripped him we blindfolded him but him the car and drove to our police station ( a small one) and bond him on a lamp pole .
He was even in the news^^
Unless you fed him so many sleeping pills that you caused irreparable damage to his nervous or neurological systems, and with the intention of physically harming him, you're in a totally different boat.
wish I saw the video for that news clip.
sounds like what Spiderman does. But with sleeping pills instead of webbing.
apparently the 2 burglary victims were middle eastern, do I smell racism in verdict?
Yes, but that's because your an idiot
No, he is not an idiot.... it does sound like racism, because if this was British on foreigner..... this case wouldn't have even gone to trial!
Brain Damage
aka. The Get Out of Jail Free card.
Urgh, this is disgusting. Typical judicial cowardice. Makes me want to Gundam down parliament. Fuck the labour sissies!
-“brain damage,” a fractured skull and a broken jaw, ruling that although he was evidently fit to commit crime, he was not fit to stand trial.-
There is so much fail in this that i can´t finish my food.
Victims do not always behave rationally. Especially when family members are threatened. We do not know what threats were made and how the family was treated when they were held hostage.
It was the criminal intruders that initiated hostilities. It was the criminals that forced the family to fear for their lives and forced them to make decisions that most people do not have a need to make.
If threats were made against the female or child members of the family, I would forgive the rage the family members were justified in have.
It is all too easy for us arm chair lurkers to villify the victims for their actions. But we were not ones put into that position and had to endure the conditions that they were.
I feel the British court was more concerned with the welfare of the criminals, rather than what the victims actually had to endure. The U.S. is equally guilty of this too, to some degree sadly. Though this case is pretty blantant. I view this as a justified use of the insanity defense for the victims.
BINGO! If you think someone is a DIRECT DANGER to your family, or might come back to 'finish the job'... you are not going to let them get away.... at least not ALIVE, if you have a choice in the matter!
You are right that after someone breaks into your home, anything you do to that person short of killing them..... should be okay.... even after they run if they say "I'LL BE BACK YOU FUCKER!"
Then, I would chase down the bastard to.... and make sure they didn't need to have a trial nor medical care for him... because he would be DEAD or so severely injured, it wouldn't matter anymore.
He should thank the ppl who beat the shit out of his ass.
Why does this kind of stuff always happen in the UK? Is there something fundamentally wrong with their judicial system?
There's something fundamentally wrong with the newspapers, IMO. Too much sensationalist brainless reporting + global exposure - good media watchdogs = "OMG WORST COUNTRY EVAR" impression.
I live in the UK. I'll be happy to admit it has plenty of problems, but I for one am quite happy to be here. Watching out for burglars is just common sense.
Also, police response time tends to be pretty quick here, thanks to there not being massive distances to cross (unlike, say, rural North America or Australia). No need to bludgeon burglars yourself when there's functioning law enforcement around the corner. On the contrary, it can feel a bit Orwellian and claustrophobic at times, when it seems they're just a bit *too* quick to respond ... maybe thats just me.
As I said on the first iteration of this story, this is one of the good things about AmeriKKKa, strong "Castle" laws in most states.
However-"Self Defense" is still treated like a crime and aggressively prosecuted so one only knows they are OK when the Jury says "Not Guilty" and the prosecutor decides not to have it declared a 'mistrial' and try them again. The costs of even round one are ruinous to most households and a public defender is a guarantee of a 'guilty' sentence. It's usually only public outrage that stops similar injustices despite castle laws in AmeriKKKa.
The "Justice by Points" system in AmeriKKKa makes it more likely the law will weigh heavy on a citizen thought "Law Abiding" because they usually have a job, property, income but usually limited funds versus zero or able to afford a 'dream team' and they are almost totally unlikely to act violently seeking revenge. The prosecutors, the police, get "Points" that help them keep their jobs and get promoted by the arrests they make, the people they shove in jail so when they can arrest someone they do, when they can prosecute them with a good chance of conviction they do with total uncaring indifference to "Justice" or "Guilt or innocence".
OH MAN YOU SPELLED IT AMERIKKKA YOU ARE SO COOL. ALMOST AS COOL AS PEOPLE WHO USE M$ BUT NOT QUITE.
you forgot to add retard to your list...
welcome to england , land of gutless wanker judges and MP's...
sodding bastiches need a beating and a deportation back to theur 37 world shiteholes where they can kill each other without anyone interfering...
Sounds like the judge is in league with the robbers
Put a bullet in his head and be done with it.. next
No, don't do that.... that is MURDER.... I could understand the guy accidentally being beat to death, but if he is shot in the head and didn't have a gun himself...... MURDER, and the person who does that SHOULD be thrown into prison.
Daily Wail = morons. I recently saw them whine about a teacher not being allowed to pray for her atheist student.
In the end I think the millionaire guy probably regretted on hiring a pretty shitty lawyer =/
Everything is going to hell.
OK, this has gone WAY over the line. No more Mr. Nice Guy thinking the robbery victim's to blame for giving the robber a sample of the victim's knuckle sandwich. It's time for the robber to have a whole buffet spread of knuckle, heel, cranium (and whatever body part you wish to land on him) sandwich from all who thinks this "justice" is utter bollocks.
The FAIL LAW should take the leftovers.
What the fuck is this shit?! Seems like these people lack the definition of justice.
Which would you prefer?
Permanent Brain Damage or 2.5 year prison sentence?
Then again, we don't know how bad the brain damage was.
At least it's only one case. If it's the whole world then it will come to an end immediately
Screw that. If the guy commits crimes, he should not be allowed to walk free. Put him in a mental hospital for his "brain damage" but he can't be allowed to keep hurting people.
If he held my family hostage and threatened them with a knife, a deadly weapon, I'd probably beat his skull in as well.
Booya cracks in the system. This means I can commit rape, get beaten by the boyfriend, boyfriend gets arrested, and 2 weeks later, rape some more. Where's the U.K?
in florida and texas you can kill anyone with the exception of law enforcers who enter your house as long as they arent arent in the process of exiting. thisz is stupid voters in these states should demand the right to defend themselves.
Actually, if law enforcement officers don't say who they are.... you can kill them as well. They have had some cases recently in Texas and Florida where judges have said that police HAVE to identify themselves before or WHILE ENTERING.... otherwise, they are treated under the law as intruders.
Phoenix Wright, where are you?
I think they need to look carefully at who's the one with the brain damage.
Well this is messed up... where's Kira when you need him?
Isn't this exactly why Light got pissed at the justice system and started killing off criminals?
Nope... Kira was just an attention whore that had a nifty toy fall on his lap.
Screw Kira, we need Phoenix Wright.
this is just totally backwards. the burglar broke into someone's home with a GANG OF KNIFE-WIELDING HOODLUMS!?! i think it's poetic justice that the tables were turned and an ass-whooping took place. the fact that the man defending his home got arrested just seems like an inordinate travesty.
Yeah I've always been of the opinion that when you decide to perform a criminal act any protections under the law are gone for up till the time the cops arrest you. If the tables get turned and your victims beat the crap out of you, well thems the breaks kid.
That is a ridiculous narrowminded belief.
If the victims beat the crap out of the person they are commiting an assault, making them criminals as well, does that mean if while getting beat, the original criminal manages to turn the tables again, that any damage done to the "victim" doesn't count when it comes to pressing charges because the victim committed a crime as well?
No, it isn't a 'ridiculous belief', because in the latter case you are simply PROTECTING YOURSELF or the future victims of the person in question.
Frankly, once you commit a crime, it does NOT go 'back and forth'.... once you commit the FIRST crime (and the people 'assaulting' him have committed no crime except in your stupid head!).... you have given up any protections under the law until the police get there and take your ass into custody..... unless these people are still beating you after you are no longer a danger to them.... which is 'in the eye of the person doing the beating', as they say.
Man this is just so messed up I can't laugh about it.
The justice system prevails again!
Lets for now on refer to it as the injustice system.
Wasn't this where the husband +x brothers ganged up on a single burglar when he was running away, knocked him over and hit with a golf club repeatedly as he was laying down defenceless til he got brain damage in a failed revenge killing? Yeah they got what was coming to them. Letting the injured burglar completely off the hook though wasn't the right decision either.
No, they didn't get what was coming to them. The fact is that they were thinking "What if the guy gets away totally? Who is he going to hurt next?"
That is a good enough reason to beat someone to death. It's simple: if you don't want to get killed.... DON'T BREAK INTO SOMEONE'S HOUSE!
People you should have seen it coming since the whole Equality Now thing. When people place so much attention to things that do not matter (2D lolis and underage people exchanging nude pics between themselves) over the real issue (true cp distributors), there's no much to expect from the established law system other than more fail.
Hey, CP distribution is not a problem in some people's minds.... I don't have a problem with it and think that they should just make pedosexuality IN GENERAL legal and simply move on.
As to child porn? Easy way to make sure that children aren't being forced into it: mandatory psychological examinations before they are allowed to take part in it.
Really, most of the children are not being 'forced' into child pornography. From what I have seen, their lovers (totally consensual or not) are videotaping the things and putting them on the internet.
Which, need I remind people, has been done to adult women by their boyfriends!
"After being hospitalised for two weeks the burglar immediately returned to his life of crime, being charged with a number of offences, but courts refused to prosecute him due to his injuries"
Bravo, dickheads.
Injures should be overlooked. if you do the crime you do the time. obverously he's well enough to commit these offences
It was probably some former police chief / families running the burglary ring there and the cops know better than to jail the mafia members who are also relatives of most of the force, as it its here in the USA. Innocent helpless people are always the big losers in the eyes of the law.
ah, stupidity....never cease to amaze me
As little music number, if you would allow.
*ahem*
Oh the world is filled with retards,
and the justice system is fucked,
But since we have no rights at all,
Let it burn, let it burn, let it burn!
Doesn't rhyme, but it gets the point across just the same.
i wonder how the people would react if you post that on thedailymail. lol
It's a world of hate, it's a world of fear.
It's a world which is overrun by queers.
There is so much fail,
that it'll make one go pale.
It's a failed world after all.
He was able and willing to be a criminal again he wasn't hurt that bad.
If the f--ker can go on a crime spree he can stand trial and go to jail.
Really this is a travesty the only people severely brain damaged here are the cops and the judge.
The fact the burglar went on a crime spree two weeks after going to the hospital shows he is not fit to be allowed to run free.
Really the people of the UK should be having a riot over this.
They guy just went and committed more crimes which could have been prevented if they took him off the streets.
WOOT, TRUE JUSTICE RULES YET AGAIN! BRAVO JUDICIAL SYSTEM, BRAVO INDEED!
While their at it, they should get a rapist and put him in a small area with lots of people and let him do his thing, then arrest all the rape victims if they tried to resist the rapist and possibly "damaged" him. No great example of Justice would there be.
With all due respect, that is different than chasing down someone who is fleeing your home.... but I can understand that the people in question were thinking "If this guy gets away, he might do this to someone else!" and wanted to MAKE SURE he wouldn't do it again.
How to go on a crime spree
* figure out a way to be medically diagnosed with "brain injury"
* go to UK
* have fun~~~ , if u got caught, just say u got "brain injury"
That was bad and you should feel bad.
"previously invaded a UK millionaire’s home"
hmm millionare huh?
Well go ahead then...
Rich douchebag deserved to be robbed every once a while...
Why does a rich person deserve to be robbed? Because they worked hard to get where they are and made something of themselves?
No. Because rich people are usually selfish asses.
Right, because you certainly aren't an asshole by stereotyping other groups of people as assholes... Maybe rich folks have to be assholes because poor (and anonymous) folks are dicks?
Dicks and assholes... hmm...
No matter how you try and justify it, hoarding the world's money/resources is never right.
Even if you actually are an incredibly talented and deserving individual it would still be morally wrong for one to live a good life on the expense of many others (who might suffer and die). That being said, I am indeed a hypocrite, just not the delusional type and was just pointing out the truths.
Don’t get me wrong though I am not saying that the criminal was Robin Hood - that would be just as unlikely as the “victims” being good people undeserving of this crime. Err, what I am trying to say is that if those “victims” were good people who made their wealth the honest way, they wouldn’t have beaten this man to an inch on his life, fracturing his skull and giving him brain damage.
This just smells way too fishy. When you consider the incredibly violent actions of the “victims”, it seems like they were no more than thugs. So it was just a case of thugs targeting thugs. I just can’t imagine bloodthirsty people like these making their money the honest way. They should have waited for the police after catching the robber instead of trying to kill him.
Yes and exactly how many times have you been put in this situation Hentai Kamen? I know as a family man I would not have left the guy alive after making threats to my kids and I am an honest, hardworking person.
stupid kamen, in some south asia country, buglers tied you up, rape your wife and daughter, steal your money, and burn the house to remove all evidence including the witnesses/victims.
so much for your "Burglars use threats to scare the victims" bs...
@Anon 5:57
I wouldn't do anything stupid in the first place, because no amount of money is worth your life. Secondly if I get help and manage to fend of the burglars, I would most certainly not try to kill the guy who tripped and fell behind.
The worst I would do is tie him up, call police and maybe give him a good slap or two for putting me through this crap. If he wanted to fucking steal he should've done it when I wasn't home.
@Anon 6:02
Burglars use threats to scare the victims.
If they were out looking to kill you, they would do so without going through the trouble of tying you up. Desperate people steal, so it is best not to give them any reason to harm you.
They want your money, not your life.
Your point #3 is bullshit. The "victims" ran down the burglar who fell and kept beating him savagely, likely even had intent to kill him.
It is one thing to react on impulse and in self-defence, but the "victims" managed to drive the burglars off. Past this point there was no need to chase them down with the intent to kill. This is past the point of self-defence.
@HentaiKamen 07:10:
1. Yes, they use threats to scare the victims. But that doesn't mean they _won't_ hurt the victims, regardless of what they promise. You're gonna trust your life, and those of your loved ones, to criminals?! Well, you might, or might not be lucky that particular day.
2. A law enforcement officer friend told me that torture/murders, particularly home invasions, start "small" and escalate. The criminal tells the victim(s), "Don't resist, and you won't be hurt." This usually gains the victim's compliance. Then, they tie the victims up. Once the victims are immobilized, it goes to torture and rape; and finally, the criminals decide to "finish off" the victims.
There are home invasions which start as simple robbery, but through natural stupidity, sociopathy, or effects of alcohol and drugs, one or more of the invaders get the idea to have "a little fun"; the others follow, and things escalate.
If I'm alone and someone points a gun at me on the street and says, "gimme y'er money," I'll do that.
If I'm at home and somebody (or some bodies) break down my door, they're gonna eat 8 rounds of 000 shot, plus any reloads I can manage.
Yes, they might shoot at me, but they were going to that or worse anyway.
A friend of mine has a saying:
"It is a sin to die with unexpended ammunition."
I believe it.
no they can, they just wont. the laws in the UK may be related to the laws in Scottland that allowed the bomber of Pan Am flight 109 go back to Libya to a 'hero's welconme' becase he was dying of cancer. in this case even if he is brain damaged now doesn't mean he can't be tried for home invaision becuse he was of 'sound mind' at the time. ether way I agree with both Hentaikamen and Grailgun. In America he would have been jailed for the crime and laughed at on late night tv.
Blame the system not the individuals
Kamen, let's see how you react after being tied up and being threatened that you and your family will be killed.
1. Whether the "rich" people lied, cheated, and stole their wealth from starving widows, or earned it the hard way, is a separate issue from the burglars and what happened to them.
2. One of the reasons for jail is to protect society's members (which include you and I) from certain types of predators - such as these burglars/kidnappers/life-threateners.
3. You make the claim, that, essentially, "good" people never respond in a violent way. I call bullshit.
When you're having a lethal weapon pointed at you (presuming you are alive), your heart races, your adrenalin is flowing, and you are _not_ rational and logical, regardless. I can tell you this from personal experience. Yet you (and the law) fail to recognize and adjust for this.
4. For some reason I don't understand, most comments on this and the previous related article seem to focus on "robbery" and ignore the "kidnapped, tied up, threatened with deadly force" aspect.
True. I forgot to mention that.
Especially since he went back to his crime spree. Maybe they can't put a man with brain damage in jail but there are other options.
And nothing of this justifies letting the robbers go free.
This is bloody retarded. When I read this the first time I couldn't believe it, and now that I've read the updated report, I still can't believe it. This is absolutely ridiculous. You're fit to commit a crime despite your injuries, and they know this, but you're too injured and damaged to stand trial? I can't believe the world we live in right now.
Hey, this is what you get when you allow the stupid people to make laws. Personally, I am for legalizing a lot of stuff, but robbery? If you come into my home.... you'd better be ready to have an ass full of buckshot!
At least, if I can GET to my gun quick enough!
I don't think this is 'liberal thinking' here, seeing as how I am an extreme liberal on most things.... I think this is BRAIN-DAMAGED FOLK thinking and stupid courts that have gotten out of control and are giving more protection to the criminals than society at large!
if you check the daily mail link you will find that the victims looked of middle eastern descent
coincidence?
Most likely, considering that the UK loves Islam so much they even allow Shariah law to be practiced.
Excuse me..... that's a lie. The UK does NOT allow Shariah law to be practiced, if they find you doing that... YOU GO TO PRISON!
There is only ONE LAW in the UK..... SECULAR LAW!
i bet the judge is one of the equality now members
crazy people
Only if the robber was... uh I'll avoid the en joke and say no way not posisible no lolis fictional or real was harmed in the making of the robbery therefor no reason for them to get invoiled. suports of the Robinhood legend maybe?
I don't think people with laws/courts like this have any right to judge others.
Right...so the damn court think the safety of a single individual (who is a criminal) is more important than many innocents people...
Nice job Eurofail. Ever heard of an Asylum for the criminally insane? CASTLE DOCTRINE RULES!
LOL UK.
Yes, and as we all know Europe is a country and all its states share the same laws, which makes you comment not stupid at all.
Espacially considering how stupid american courts are...
sadly yes Europe is becoming a country called the European Union... with all the same law, currency and what not...
Hey devilmore, nice job bringing America into a conversation about a robber in the U.K. That's completeley relevant right? If you're going to make fun of someone/something, do it in an article about that someone/something. Also, how do you have a +8? Oh that's right, I forgot. By making fun of America, you automaticlly get voted up because it's the "cool" thing to do and everybody's doing it.
P.S. No I'm not American, I just hate ignorant d-bags who make comments as if they actually know something about anything.
He might have been commenting that way because of the recent "Indecent Exposure" incident in Virginia. Of course, the comment on how each European nation has its own laws also applies to American states, unless its a federal crime.
Just because Virginia had an idiotic ruling doesn't mean that the idiocy extends to all states (just south of the Mason Dixon).
you moron. There a plenty of idiotic court decisions everywhere. I believe devilmore' point was that this type travesty is not unique.
You're the moron for extrapolating things that simply aren't there.
Devilmore brought up America out of the blue, and he did not talk about every country having similar issues. He made a valid point about each European country having its own set of rules, then pretty much criticized America as a gimmick comment. It had nothing, at all, to do with the article or his original point.
im pretty sure that wasnt devilmores intent. otherwise he wouldnt have singled out a country and called them stupid, in this case, the usa, in an article that has nothing to do with said country. i have to agree with anon 6:53 on this one although i dont agree with his presentation. also anon 6:53 didnt say anything about stupid court decisions being strictly limited to the uk, so im pretty sure that you missed his point too. of course, this is all just my point of view so maybe you were able to glean something from his comment that i wasnt able too. either way... meh.
Devilmore had no point. He is just a racist bigoted asshole. The idiots who upped his post are also equally assholic morons.
Just because Virginia had an idiotic ruling doesn't mean that the idiocy extends to all states (just south of the Mason Dixon).
oh SNAP!
I like how anyone who criticizes Europe is from America. Your bigotry is showing.
Wrong. Almost everyone outside of Europe hates Europe. Don't assume it's just Americans.
America's states don't share all the same laws either. So, you pretty much just did exactly what you are criticizing tingle for doing. But in a much less obnoxious way, at least.
So that man can now pretty much ROB, RAPE and KILL as much as he likes and nobody will be able to sue him!?
And he is in that legislative loophole BECAUSE he was punished for his crime!?
The fail of justice system in England has just reached a whole new level.
Ndeed.
THAT'd teach them...
But serously... does that mean that brits can only defend themselves by killing the assailant? Because MAN... that loophole WILL be exploited by criminals.
That sucker should rob, rape and kill the judges that released him...
Epic FAIL!!!
It's funny how Europeans have cast America as a "stupid nation of brutes", while I can't remember a case in the US of A where a man robbing was assaulted and victims were charged. Even worse, the man continues his crime spree fresh out of the hospital and "brainy" UK can't hold the man as criminally insane due to brain damage, but instead continue to allow the man to rob or even possibly kill at will because he isn't FIT to stand trial!!! UK should look at their own system before they critisize us. Complete hillarity!!!
This is one loop hole that everyone can exploit in Britain. Unless they amend their loony toons law soon, I'm going there to rob the Bank of England, get brain damage to escape the courts then sue the Bank of England for not having a wet floor sign that caused my to slip while I was robbing them.
Actually, of robbing, raping or killing the only thing the robber did was robbing, which is what turns the case on its head. And it'd be the same in the US.
"self-defense allows a person attacked to use reasonable force in their own defense and the defense of others". That's part of common law.
If there's a robber, you scare him away or possibly capture him, but unless he threatened you physically you're not allowed to harm him. And if he does threaten you your response is to be measured.
So here the burglary victims got arrested and put on trial because they almost beat to death a guy who, as far as they know, would have just fled without harming them. Just because he tried to rob them it doesn't entitle them to break his bones.
The robber had a knife.
Though not a gun, I'd still make sure he is NO threat whatsoever to my family, and I would disable so the police can get him.
"I can't remember a case in the US of A where a man robbing was assaulted and victims were charged"
Hoho. Then you need to look up Keira Earhart.
Keira Earhart
You mean the case where a guy who saw someone robbing his home as he was returning found the robber unarmed hours latter and shot him and tossed him in a ditch. Hoho use your fucking brain before you cite an example.
I need to get the fuck out of this country!
This isn't Europe vs. USA, it's parental UK vs. USA. As to be expected of the nation that spawned the EN scandals.
@06:44 23/12/2009
I'd say a knife-wielding gang and threatening to kill the family if they resisted counts as threatening harm, if you ask me.
Oh come on. The Brits are the ones that always do things to run counter to the rest of Europe, and they even refer to other Europeans as 'continentals'.
Its a case of Anglo-saxon fail, same as US.
^ This anon knows his stuff
Lol. Intent was thrown out the door due to his injuries.
Does that mean that if we get assaulted after holding a gun to the president we can get off Scott free?
It shows an over-reliance on law and not enough on brains. I think the public can agree that he should be punished. Just think: He got unlucky this time...
Ever heard of "I can do what I want in my own house?"
Home Nudity Man Guilty of Indecent Exposure anyone?
If I am not mistaken he is from the land of the free.
There are a lot of things you are not allowed to do in your own home, many of which are things you are not allowed to do anywhere.
lol bring someone in and you can rape him/her
It's happened in UK which knows as USA's bitch. ;)
Ever wonder why the UK police can't get anything done?
Monty Python - I Wish to Report a Burglary
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L57-vQvo34E