Otaku incensed at a mangaka’s decision to portray a heroine as being a non-virgin have launched a campaign of harassment which has seen the writer forced to close her blog, reporting that she is “heart-broken” over their hateful attacks.
The mangaka in question, Sasuga Kei (real name Keiko Sasaki), currently writes “G.E. Good Ending,” a popular love comedy serialised in Shonen Magazine.
However, she made the mistake of portraying a “dojikko” character (Shou Iketani) as ending up with kiss-marks on her neck after an amorous encounter in the back of a car – fans complained that for this formerly prim and proper girl to be sexually involved with someone was an outrage, with 2ch spewing forth such criticisms as:
“Honestly, we just can’t idolise a heroine who isn’t a virgin.”
“In a shonen manga it’s weird to have a romantic manga with so little idealisation.”
A subsequent flood of comments to her blog, most harshly critical, led to the mangaka closing her site, saying “I just don’t have the confidence to continue with my site.”
This is of course not the first time the depiction of a girl enjoying normal sexual relations has sent otaku into a rage at having their fantasies of de-virgination shattered…
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Men perceive women as sluts so letting their 2D idol be a slut as well doesn't help much....
... they mind is screwed... I think the sexuality of the personnage is not that important of liking the hero, or heroine.... I find this manga funny. Maybe they just frustrated baout their own virginity... I'm french and in france is not that a big deal if the hero/heroine of a franco/belge bd, or manga are not virgin... in fact that have some impact on the story, if they not, the love story between protagonist evolve through this... Japanese otaku are really... stupid, but I says that without hostility. (I'm a geek so ^^)
Conclusion:
Women: Whine more, that doesn't change the fact that you are sluts.
Men: Enjoy loving your slut women who have had several dicks in their mouth and their body.
I'll enjoy loving my perfect, innocent virgin waifus.
Also, the amount of butthurt in these comments is overwhelming.
Anon pwned the thread.
Detective Adachi is proud.
Says the nameless virgin loser. :)
Oh look, a happy butthurt anon.
"I'll enjoy my perfect, innocent virgin waifus"
No, you really won't.
This has encouraged me to go on a womanizing spree in Japan. If all the women have to deal with these ignorant cowards, I can have 12 women on my arms at the end of the week.
Nah, you'll be much of a loser there as you are here.
There should be more loose women in Manga not less. That way Otaku might feel they have some hope of actually getting some tail at some point in their lives.
'There should be more loose women in Manga not less. That way Otaku might feel they have some hope of actually getting some tail at some point in their lives.'
Ironically, I agree with part of this.
I DO approve of manga that depicts women as promiscuous, because that's realistic.
However, I think the take-home lesson is that because women are promiscuous, men *shouldn't* idealize them, love them, or marry them.
Women can be cherished wives or empowered sluts - but when women demand the right to be treated with all the loyalty due to wives and all the tolerance due to sluts, they're asking for more than any man or group of men can give them.
otakus pfft, weak animals bunch together on one poor mangaka.
Mangaka pfft, using the power of mass media to propagandize readers and expecting them to pay for their own indoctrination.
Nitpicky bunch aren't they.
Kids these days.
While I disagree with the outdated and childish antics of the Otaku, the only real person to blame here is the Mangaka for folding under pressure. People will think what they will, but a true artist will hold onto integrity in the face of criticism.
She should bravely continue making her work according to her vision.
honestly people are so low now a days, need to get laid or something, wait, they cant, because they cannot accept to have a girlfriend who isnt a virgin.
i remember back then when watching/reading maison ikkoku, ai love, kimi ga nozomu eien or more recently school days. when heroin is a women, i was initially shocked but no problem later. people still like them.
*sign*
hm afer reading most of the comments...
i have to admit, that actually i prefer non-virgin woman more.....
and on behalf of the mangaka, it's her charakter not some damn public place everyone can walk around on !
those guys should go and screw themselves!
If those damn perverted virgin otakus force Kei to stop G.E., I'm going straight to Japan and unleash a barrel of RAGE!!!!
G.E. is a good manga, and if they would hate it for a simple fact that the heroine lost her virginity, then they fail as a true otaku fan. COMMIT SUICIDE NOW TO CLEANSE YOURSELVES OF YOUR SHAME!
"In a shonen manga it’s weird to have a romantic manga with so little idealisation."
No statement has summed up my issue with Otaku more than this.
Rukia... is that you?
Then again, what's wrong if the heroine is a virgin or not. It's not like they never fapped on countlessly raped girls in eroge and manga..
Fapping to porn and wanting to look up to something are completely different.
Madonna/whore complex. Look it up.
The funny thing here is, all I see are retards acting just as bad as the people who attacked the author. Forcing your ideals on others and criticizing others for being the same as you. Some people enjoy having virgin heroines, some could care less, but don't try to attack someone for liking something you don't.
That's one philosophy: "don't try to attack someone for liking something you don't."
My philosophy is: "Go ahead and attack people, just don't pretend that you're morally superior, and whenever possible, prefer practical physical actions to words."
All this is about are virgin fanboys who are unable to manage to sleep with girls, but also can't admit that it's their problem, therefore discriminating non-virgins instead.
The "true fans" are complaining that they are unable to be "true fans". What an amusing contradiction.
*sigh*
Virginity is overrated, the first time is for most people pretty awkward, you need some practise to really get the hang of things.
Tentacle raep is fine, but a loose normal-looking main female character is wrong? Is the fact that she looks like Rukia a bit much for them to take? LOL! These otaku can go join the Moralfag Hall of Fame.
lol fuck otakus for this and i like the Manga
Men are extremely jealous and territorial when it comes to women, and no, sorry girls, no amount of trying to force other ideas into our heads will change that. Liking virgins has nothing to do with lack of confidence, it's been like this in like, nearly all male dominated cultures since ever, so it's pretty obviously genetic.
On a different note, if you disapprove of the direction a manga is taking, just stop buying it, that's your right, duty even, as a consumer.
Harassing the author makes you lame, but the author caving it to the douche bags makes her even lamer. Whatever happened to believing in your work?
"Men are extremely jealous and territorial when it comes to women, and no, sorry girls, no amount of trying to force other ideas into our heads will change that."
Sorry, honey, but it already has. I have yet to encounter a guy who has had a problem with the fact that I'm not a virgin. I guess it's because the guys I have sex with aren't crazy enough to be hung up on things like purity and whether my vagina has been touched by a horrible, filthy penis (issues much?) As for the territorial thing, newsflash: women are human beings, not territory. Go piss on a brick wall if you want so badly to stake your claim on something.
And no, I don't care if you idiots all think I'm a whore. I'm having fun, and you're all shut-ins. Enjoy your unattainable, imaginary girlfriends!
"women are human beings, not territory. "
Women get to regard themselves as something other than territory only so long as they are male-operated police forces and prison systems giving women the opportunity to take pride in sluttiness.
So long as you've got men enforcing your political correctness, you can brag about being a slut.
If that police system ever fails, you'll have to fight your own battles.
Good luck with that. Slut.
LOL, U MAD.
Are you twelve? Do you think rape was legal before 1960 or something? You seriously think the reason why women now feel free, as men have for thousands of years, to acknowledge the fact that we like sex is because the police are now much more vigilant about prosecuting rapists, and not because society has fundamentally changed on a social level? Are you fucking stupid, or just completely ignorant to history? Also, even if that were the case, why should I be worried about the police system failing in the country where I live, the United States? Did that strike you as a likely possibility? I am shocked by your stupidity, kid. Quit embarrassing yourself and go back to fantasizing about a world in which women are actually impressed by your vastly superior Y chromosome. Fuckwit.
+10 points.
it remind me of what happen in kannagi case.
note that they criticized her, and she couldn't take the heat. so she got out.
seriously, the whole fantasy is that they are pure and everything, that's the major point in those kinds of stories.
if they are getting angry that say, miko mido is not a virgin then that's just retarded, its a fucking hentai anime, of course non of em are virgins, or at least not at the end of the story :D
its just how it is. some ppl just want certain things in certain ways.
me personally, if she gets fucked i wanna see her get fucked is all. i hate implied stuff. i don't watch porn so i can see stuff implied. so i'll just stay away from this manga or whatever.
I'm sorry but I just have to say it... these "harassers" had probably never dated anybody, huh?
I just can't get into their minds... but I guess the general reader audience wouldn't really care, even if this is a shonen tittle.
Hmmm... maybe that is why otakus are reviled in Japan and why they never can find a girlfriend.
its probably bec the author destroyed otaku's dream.
anyways what chapter was that?
Stupid fucks.
On the contrary: I cant idolise virgins. Virgins are retarded.
Ema gonna write this again (and for sure it's gonna be block by whoever the admin of this site is) and again as i've said this before that the more you know about Otaku or perhaps the more you become a real-deal Otaku, the more you are turning into one real fucked up human being. If the world "fuck" would be a thing, this is probably the thing they ever deserved in life.
Hunams are strange creatures :-/
I am really into anime and probably consider myself an otaku....Don't think being an otaku means that they are freaks. Just like how equality now are different from other feminists too.
I guess not everyone can see it's from a third person perspective. That's how I usually do when I read or watch anime and manga. So I actually want the character to get together rather than go like "Mine precious"...But I guess the more extreme are always the most vocal, even though then are the minority.
Works like that in politics too.
As a writer who portrays most of their characters as non-virgins, it makes me worry about the potential success of my own work. Do these people really not appreciate a realistic character? It seems to be all about ideals and idolization to them...
Well, in a world that went out of its way to destroy any kind of idol, virtue, idea, whatever and leave failed relativity of everything in its place, it's comforting that some people pick these up again, although I'm not sure I like how they push them to the extreme and harass people.
I think its more along the lines of they just want to jack off to a character that's a virgin like themselves.
That still ends up taking a form of valid idealism. It's the same kind of idealism that has a guy marrying a 2D PSP char. While there may be a number of ulterior motives, in the end, the manifestation ends up being an attempt to grasp the ideal.
You notice this a lot in manga, stories and characters that are unrealistic. For example, in some manga, there is a LOT of echi content. Perverted acts, perverted dialogue and basically everything to titillate the audience, but no actual intercourse, no love making, no real relationships. This is highly prevalent and unrealistic (in real life, people occasionally fall in love, date, and even have sex).
if they don't like it they should just go draw their own fucking manga
“Honestly, we just can’t idolise a heroine who isn’t a virgin.”
“In a shonen manga it’s weird to have a romantic manga with so little idealisation.”
i guess different otakus have different minds and philosophies
Thus I confirmed otakus were scum that must be eradicated.
Otakus not liking the events of a manga? Go make one yourself.
Dammed extremists freaks...
“Honestly, we just can’t idolise a heroine who isn’t a virgin.”If you can't idolise, just don't idolise !
I wonder whether this really is about being a virgin or not but rather a "betrayal" of expectations. When a character acts completely different than you expected you feel as if you were fooled somehow. I think most of the hate has that as the source.
If the character was portrayed as "secondhand" from the beginning very few of the otaku would be outraged. For example, if the hero of a story all of a sudden would turn and run leaving his friends in mortal danger the same sort of anger would surface.
The Otaku psychology gets weirder by the day. They will probably complain about the girl in the artwork having lips next.
you'll never get tired with these sexless otaku fags
Wow grow the fuck up. Who cares if she's not pure as they put it over there. Figuratively speaking most of the otaku have lost there virginity or purity to there right or left hands or what the hell is it called the uh flesh light thing. Fuck they should take a look at themselves before they start bagging on others just because somethings not going there way.
wat
Okay here's something simple for you to understand. She is not real. She's not your fucking girlfriend. Otaku talk about being pure when there's nothing pure about themselves. Now do I still need to dumb down even more for ya.
Ah, so if you ended up living in shit, you shouldn't dream of a clean place.
I see the nice logic there.
Only with one person EVER? You must be playing too many dating sims.
Very few people ever follow through with relationships like that. Men and women alike are bound to enter into many intimate relationships with one another over their lifetime and it's not always because they cheat on each other. People change as time goes by, and it's inevitable.
It's only when the persons themselves don't see a problem with sleeping; or to be more precise, they only see what they can get out of the relationship rather than how to nurture it - that's when the moral troubles begin.
Purity can still exist in a person even after sex.
The problem is that they relate the presence of a girl's hymen as purity of everything (body and spirit), which is very, very sad in my opinion.
This is what happens when you make manga more based on reality. You get shunned...
I've just started reading this manga. I took these comments lightly at the time, but this is just bs.
If they are so against it, they need to make their own damn manga. Let the author continue the story they want, and let me enjoy it.
I think that if you wanna a super virginal main female character read shoujo, It `s simple, Please no more Kannagi Syndrome.
Leave the female mangakas alone, they are trying to write a good manga, They also need money for food, you know.If you don`t like it , don`t read it.
I'm reading this manga! D:
What's going on?! Hopefully this doesn't cause a stop to its serialization...
wat thge hech ar u saying mehn
Just so you know, the black-haired girl in the picture is even more of a heroine than the one they're making all this fuss about, and in one of the chapters there's CLEAR evidence that she has not only had sex with a guy in the past, but he also took pictures of her and showed it to all of their chassmates, making her so embarassed she had to move to a different town and school.
To think they'd rage so hard at some kiss marks on one girl's neck and not at another being exposed like that is mind-boggling to say the least.
It seem like it`s hard to get out of one`s little world XD
Go, go, Keiko !!
For god's sake what kind of freak must you be getting worked up about a manga heroine being a non-virgin...MY GOD THOOSE PEOPLE ARE GODDAMN FREAKS.SERIOUSLY IT'S JUST A MANGA YOU FREAKS YOU DONT NEED TO HARRAS THE AUTHOR BECAUSE SHE'S WORKING HER ASS OFF SO YOU CAN ENJOY DRAWN GIRLS INSTEAD OF GOING OUT OF YOUR GODDAMN HOUSES.The internet is having a really negative influence on some people shut out from the outside world.If thoose geeks left their homes once in a while and found out what real life human beings were, perhaps they would not annoy the author with such ridiculous arguments.For all of you internet-damaged children/teenagers w/e you are:GET OUTSIDE OF YOUR FING HOUSE AND COMMUNICATE WITH SOME REAL LIFE HUMAN BEINGS ....
C'mon, She just closed the website, but the manga still continues, right ? (hopefully they will just stop at harassing the site)
Dont screw with Otaku,lol they can make a manga sold and can also bash the hell out of the mangaka when she broke their fantasy o_O
I guess that is a predictable reaction and every mangaka should be more prepared. It has never been easy to work in the manga industry (especially when your success depends on a group of readers mostly with mental issues )
Just so you know, the girl they're making a fuss about is NOT the one in the picture. It's a blonde, short-haired one.
Funny thing is, in chapter 11 it's HEAVILY implied that the black-haired girl in the post picture has not only had sex with a guy in the past, but also had photos of her shown to all her classmates. She even had to move to a different town and school.
Yet no one raged about that.
This makes me facepalm hard. This type of attitude is why manga and anime are in stagnation.
All that shit over a fictional character, stupid people. IF they didn't like it, they should have just stopped reading it; it's the mangaka's story she can do whatever th hell she wants to do.
'can't idolize heroine which isn't virgin'
huh? that comment's immature and funny at the same time. it made me completely understand why those people still read only childish reading materials.
I would prefer a virgin heroine better but I don't mind even if the heroine is not. Every story doesn't necessarily be the same and this makes it unique.
They're just mad because she's styling on them.
Unbelievable... Just because you don't agree with the direction of something doesn't mean you have to right to completely trash it. Flaming is not the same and voicing your opinion. And just because a girl is prim and proper doesn't mean she's a dried up corps. Kiss-marks, at least to me, don't mean anything other than she was with someone. It implies intercourse but doesn't mean there was any.
"fans complained that for this formerly prim and proper girl to be sexually involved with someone was an outrage"
I find that hilarious cuz you know those otaku want to hit that.
It took me about 1,5 hours to read all the posts in this thread (breakfast included).
And I have to say only this,
YOU CAN'T BELIVE HOW HARD I LAUGHT MY ASS OFF!!
That is all.
What a damn shame.
I swear, I'm starting to hate virgin women.
Its amazing how many Otaku seems to think that you lose your virginity when kissed. A hickey does not equal sex. Nor will you get pregnant from a kiss.
Ofcourse rationality is in limited supply among fanatics. I wonder if the lunatic fringe will ruin another manga?
I hope she didn't quit. :( It sucks when haters complain for the most stupid of reasons.
I am an otaku girl but I dun't think every otaku is that way...right =/?
Fawk! I just read that chapter!
But still, I hope the manga continues. Hope there aren't any douchebags out there to ruin it for the rest of us who are actually enjoying the manga.
give the mangaka a rest assholes. you dont get this kind of good romance mangas these days so who are you to criticize. asses like you just sit at home and watch anime and mangas. do you even contribute anything to help the mangakas ? be in their shoes for once bitches.
lol...2ch are at it again...
In all honesty, I think that it is a very creative approach because so far, all the shojo mangas I have read are pretty much cliche and if people want to read super virginal girl, super naive, It`s simple, read shoujo, This is shounen,
Please no more Kannagi Syndrome.
to the mangaka-KEEP DOING WHAT YOUR DOING!!!!!!!!!!!
One of the manga I like most is "Bitter virgin" . The only thing I hate is the ending only after 32 chapters . Maybe that's happen because of guys/girls who love only virgin heroins and I hate this . I hate the girls who cheats on their boyfriends but I truly think that a girl may like a lot of good guys in her life and make love with each of them if she's in love relation only with that guy or want to make the guy she loves hers. I'm a guy , my wife was virgin and was very happy on the beginning of our relation . I must say that our sex life is very bad now maybe because she didn't have more sex experience or because I wasn't good enough to "train" her . About GE- I really love it until now and I will read all the chapter from now on no matter what.The sex with the one you are in love is a nice part of our life and that can not be denied by anyone. (also rape or sex for money :( ).
sorry , (also rape or sex for money :( )is not meant to be posted as "nice" but only a crude reality.
holy fuck,raging about an anime character for not being a virgin,fucking nerds,i hope all you people that thinks harrassing someone over such a stupid thing as an anime character not being virgin die,motherfucking chink-ass nerds.
...and then they wonder why they can't get laid. -__-'
hopefully this doesn't turn into another kannagi where it never comes back. i really like this manga.
Those idiots and this virginity crap again...
they don't realize that they're sharing their imaginary girlfriend with thousands of other losers just like them.
Besides, a girl can get kiss marks from heavy make out sessions. They don't HAVE to have sex.
I'm sure Kei has lots of normal fans. More than the 2ch losers. But most of those fans probably don't take the time to post on the site. But ronery otaku are obsessive enough to probably make like 50 angry posts.
It was not just about virginity, some of the Otakus felt it was too much of a mood whiplash to handle. Virginity was a scapegoat.
not all mangas can win all otakus heart
life's not fair
get used to it otaku faggs
Noobs. If they rage just cause some manga character isn't a fucking virgin, they should just QQ on life. It would spare them the agony of "having their fantasies of de-virgination shattered…"
Or they could just make pipe bombs and kill a bunch of people in real life.
That would spare them the agony of being regarded as ineffectual.
And if they make a suicide attack, they don't have to go to prison!
These guys are right up there with people who think fictional girls have human rights.