Analysis of the content of the Blu-ray disc housing Final Fantasy XIII on the PS3 suggests some unpleasant compromises may be in store for the Xbox 360 version, in spite of assurances to the contrary and what many suspect to be reductions in graphical quality on the PS3 version in order to keep both versions identical.
The BD containing the game amounts to 38GB, whilst the Xbox 360 version has already been confirmed as being packed onto 3 DVD discs (offering an absolute maximum of 25GB or so).
Add to this the fact that each disc will have to duplicate key game resources and the amount of space available to the Xbox 360 version drops even further…
However, concerns over a crippled Xbox 360 version are misplaced – of the 38GB of data on the disc, only 8GB is game data, the rest being given over to sumptuous CG movies (see above), leading to the promise that the in-game elements will be “mostly” identical, whilst the movies simply enjoy far lower data rates to compensate, an admittedly dubious consolation.
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Does final fantasy graphics suck that much that square has to use videos wasting 15 gb of data, instead using the game motor graphic for the scenes?
Why ar epeople getting so bent out of shape about having to change discs?
Have you all forgotten than FF7-9 required upto disc changes? Never seemed to bother anyone back then & it doesn't bother me now.
Also lets take MGS4, having to change disc's at the start of the next chapter would have been quicker than sitting there for 6-10 minuites while each chapter was installed to the PS3 HDD before it loaded.
I'm not against disc changing. The thing with disc changing is that the devs need to plan ahead if they are certain that their game gonna end up with more than 1 disc. They need to do this to avoid multiple disc changing (as in changing the disc back and forth).
In previous FF, SE already know that they will use CD/DVD for their game, so they design their game with that that in mind. For FF13, it's supposed to be PS3 exclusive and surely they will design the game with the fact that they can have 50GB of space to play with. Suddenly they announced that it will come to Xbox360.
Imagine it like this... you need to move a lot of stuff and for that you rent a big truck. Instead of a big truck, you only get 3 smaller truck. With the big truck you have a freedom to just throw your all your stuff into the truck. With 3 smaller truck you must plan carefully on what going into each truck so the trucks could carry all of your stuff.
And in FF13 case, it isn't as simple as that since it isn't just stuffing all the content to DVD but also to make sure that each DVD have the right content to ensure smooth gameplay. I really hope that SE make the 360 version flawlessly without compromising the game itself.
If they started with a vision that it will end up on 360, then it wouldn't matter if they've got 50GB to play with because they already knows that they need to make it playable on DVD, thus design the game accordingly.
oh it was annoying on star ocean to go back to some planets only to do some disc changing
i have a hunch they would do that to FF as well...
Why can't they use the game graphic engine for the scenes, instead wasting all that amount of data, oh yeah just to fill up the blu ray disc with unnecesary data and then say it doesn't fit on one single dvd
I like the 360 more than ps3 to be honest. But i dont know why ff13 is even on the 360 if it isn't even on the same quality
The 360 version will have 720p encoding, and can only output lossy Dolby Digital 5.1 at 448kbps maximum.
If the PS3 video files are at 1080p and have LPCM audio, then the limits of the Xbox 360 version will scale accordingly in terms of file size.
might uncompressed lossless audio or something for the PS3 also be a factor, with the 360 needing to use lower quality compressed audio?
I own a ps3 and a 360. I could care less about final fantasy teenage rpg garbage. The japanese should be ashamed to make such trivial teeny bopper crap. If any male over the age of 15 buys this ridiculous nonsense he should be arrested immediately. I like my rpg's mature please. Mass Effect 2.
You sir are a dumbass.
sir, i sincerely hope for your sake that is not you in that picture. can't tell if you are man or woman but either way you look to have taken too many balls to the face.
Does it bother that i am an Asian man? Are you a racist?
Your a joke,I have been playing ff games for around 15 years and you are calling me a kid??Go and play mw2 and blow the head off some guy. I feel happy in knowing that you will not be playing ff13. It is people like you,xbox gamers or elitist casuals who have ruined this generation for me
Holy shit 30 gigs are just for CG movies? They should've just made another movie instead.
Yeah - but they would have to make a story that fits into 2 hours what seems to be imposible for SE.
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For anyone wondering about the load times, it's virtually non existent, so it's worthless to compare the drive speed between PS3 and Xbox360 if the PS3 already loads fast enough. If devs really made a game with PS3 as their main platform, then load times shouldn't be a big problem.
And again... the movies in the PS3 version is compressed (at least the video part, the audio maybe uncompressed). In case anyone wondering, uncompressed 1920x1080 image at 24bit is about 6MB/image. For movies you need at least 24fps, so 6*24=144MB/s (1.15Gbit/s). An hour of uncompressed movie needs about 500GB of space.
It's called proper compression. It is no mystery that alot of Japanese developers are aprehensive to compressing things even if a quality difference could not be seen.
Change that to a lot of PS3 devs.... basically they have less compression because they can. And there is probably a bit of pressure from Sony to fill the disc and the easiest way to do it is to have less compression... Although if you look at it from another perspective, it might be that because the need for multiplatform they must limit how big most devs can make their game.
So the devs need to fill the BD while it still can fit on DVD. The easiest way to achieve that is to have movies and assets on the PS3 version to have less or no compression at all.
Only 8 gigs is game data?? Wow. . .that's really sad.
disk changing a problem? from what I heard it already a linear game.
What people seems to forget is that it's mostly linear for the first half of the game. And linear progression doesn't mean they will ditch the first half of the game completely. So it's still possible that while you're in your third disc you want to go to the places that were in the first half of the game.
The question should be this... whether this linear progression is what SE originally intended or because the need to adapt to the multi-disc version? Can the player trace back to almost every place they visited near the end of the game? If some places are being blocked, is the blocking caused by the natural progression of the story or felt forced? Are there any events in the game that happen just for the sake to block some parts of the game without having any effect on the story?
About the 360 version using 3 disks instead of just one BD disk, if this linearity of the game is somewhat true (http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/12/18/final-fantasy-xiii-as-linear-as-a-piece-of-string/), then there won't be much disk changing anyways.
Doesn't make a difference to me either way since I'm not getting this linear piece of trash for either system.
fail troll is fail
More than likely to be uncompressed cutscene and CGI video footage. It was said that the PS3 version would have 1080p CGI scenes. That could be several gigs of disc space used right there. But even if that's true, I highly doubt people are going to care THAT much about it. I know I wouldn't, but then again I'm most likely going to buy the PS3 version anyway.
I would consider something else. The 360 is enough of a competitor that it made the game for both the PS3 and 360. What should that tell you?
All I know is that they better make the PS3 version as if it were still an exclusive. If they wanna put as much extra content in there then do it. Dont let the ps3 suffer due to the lack of space on the box of death....
Wow. Owned by 360 again.
My best guess is, while the game will be rendered at 720p on both consoles, full motion video cutscenes are stored in 1080p in the PlayStation 3 version and at the same 720p as the game proper in the Xbox 360 one.
No big loss anyway, only that movies will look blurrier and the game itself will look crisper.
God, more than 75% for FMV.....
Well saying the xbox 360 is bad in general is just plain ignorant. As for me, im getting FF13 on the PS3 of course. But my x360 library far outnumbers my ps3 by 3:1 (35 to 12). And interface wise, I would rather deal with xbox360's HUD than PS3's annoying hud. You dont even have an option to skip the installation proces. And all updates, regardless of size always end up taking 4-10 minutes. And you have to wait for the download THEN wait for the install. where as the whole process is seamless on the x360.
If there is a good multi-port game it will always go on the 360. I save the ps3 for Blu-ray and exclusive games.
i dont know if this has been said, but look at fan subs for this.
400mb = 22 minutes of bluray rip, at 720p that is almost flawless.
1gb =22 minutes of bluray rip, at 1080p that is almost flawless.
compressing the video will barely effect the end result if done right.
i loled at bunch of asses arguing between Xbox n PS3, cant u guys just sit back n enjoy the game? i own a PS3 and i wouldnt wanna compare it with Xbox since i dont own a Xbox but who cares as long as i can play the games i want.
Typically for many modern games, FMV takes up the most space, followed by audio for voice acting and sound effects, then textures, models, animation data for realtime cut-scenes, then finally the code that holds the whole thing together. Like AI and the graphics engine.
SquareEnix may be able to offer open world exploration on all the 360 disks, if dialogue, cut-scene animation and the models/textures for things you only encounter once like bosses are cut down by two thirds, in addition to the movies. Plus from what I've seen, some locations get destroyed, and can therefore be dumped from later disks as well. So if SE are doing their jobs properly, neither the PS3 or 360 versions should be compromised, by the DVD size limitations carrying over to the PS3, or by disk swapping being required for 360 gamers to play exactly what PS3 gamers are playing.
As for accusations that the 360 version has hurt the in-game graphics of the PS3 game, you can't blame DVDs that. The limitation there is always the amount of RAM the machines have, and the White Engine that the game is running on is known to be multiformat anyway, from before the announcement of the 360 version.
they should just use the fourth dvd9 and stay shutted up (
I don't care anyway...when I heard they were making it more than one disk, I just said to myself "Fuck you I'm still pissed about all those beta games you did"
Such bullshit.
lol@discswap..
i told u so, i told u so, i, i, i told u so...
Losing 15B is fine too... I dont own an xbox
thats just cause the developers are getting lazy thanks to blu ray what a joke . the is a thing called compression but they dont seem to be using it other wise they could fit alot more data on those discs
Btw, the movies already compressed on the PS3. If what SE staff said on SIGGRAPH Asia were true, than the CG movies total amount are 3 hours (the total amount of cut scenes are 9 hours, so 6 hours are rendered in real time). 38GB of movies for 3 hours resulted in bitrate about 30Mbit/s, which is pretty standard for BD movies. You can still get a good result using 3-6Mbit/s bitrate though, so it isn't impossible for SE to cram those movies into Xbox360 DVD.
My worries isn't about the movies, but whether the need to split the game data into 3 disc would affect the flow of the game thus the gameplay itself and if it indeed affect the gameplay, would it affect the PS3 version too.
Who would want a Shitbox anyway?
Who would want a piss3 anyway?
^ i lold
My only gripe with the PS3 controller is the inward curving trigger buttons, when my hands get sweaty my fingers slide off the buttons, i went and bought some cheap $5 trigger mods that make the buttons curve outwards and suddenly the controller feels alot bigger and sits perfectly in my hands.
The triggers on the PS3's controller are freaking terrible. Anyone who says they're better than the 360's triggers is delusional, regardless of controller preference.
We will all see the difference when it comes out next year.
360 uses 720P
PS3 uses 1080i
the reduction in resolution of CGI scenes should cover most all they need to change.
PS3 can use 720p, 1080i and 1080p.The rest are depending on the game developer.
Perhaps tingle is claiming the CGI scenes in the PS3 version of FFXIII are 1080i, not that it's a limitation of the PS3. Lacks sources, though...
when i convert 1080 to 720 video, it usually ends up about half the size it was. and i hate flac audio
Final Fantasy always has been playstation. No need to switch. It just feels right.
However if I had no ps3 this would definately be the system seller to get one.
Mainly my biggest gripe is 360's controller. It's atrocious. Which pushes me towards playstation for certain things otherwise I' buy 360. Not including this game.
My main gripe with playstation is so-so trophy sopport for major games. How is it even possible to play metal gear solid and have no trophies.
That would be like Halo with no achievements...
You've already received your thrashing, but may I suggest you cease all plans for additional failure and play FF3/6?
Nub.
Thats funny, because the 360 controller almost seems like the best designed controller to date. You sony fanboys are too stupid to realize that the dated design of the dual shock just doesn't cut it these days.
The triggers of the PS3 controller feel so cheap and insensitive. Mind as well keep them as buttons. The sticks are too far in, making it awkward to move with the left stick and do other things with the right. Like aim. Imagine kingdom hearts with the 360 controller, don't you think the primary action of moving using the closest stick and changing commands using the inner dpad would be so much easier?
Racing games also benefit from the xbox's pressure sensitive triggers, while the PS racing games always suck because you're pressing X to accelerate like an old and dated kart racer. Except its grand turismo.
Say what you want about the 360 itself, but its almost fact that the controller is the best controller ever made. It was designed with comfort in mind, so if you don't like it, you're too obviously a fanboy.
Haha, Final Fantasy always been Playstation? No need to switch? You display your ignorance for all to see.
Final Fantasy started on Nintendo.
Don't even start that. I know full well where Final Fantasy started from, I was here when it was first released. The context of my speech is aimed at support for playstation 3 from the history of playstation holding the recent slew of final fantasy games.
the ones on nintendo super nintendo gamboy DS hell even those awful CD-i computer ones are all irrelevant to this conversation.
Try taking a couple minutes to digest what was said before rushing to start waving your "sic burn" banner.
If you hear someone complaining these days about 9/11 started the war or the war is all about oil you don't immediately say "not true you ignorant idiot, it's because Franz Ferdinand was assinated. The war was started in 1914."
You immediately know the context is about the current iraq afghanistan conflicts. Anybody saying something different would be labeled a smart ass. So try not think everybody who posts is an 11 year old on holdiay winter break from school.
The situation is similar just on final fantasy.
Who cares if you "were there when FF first came out"
You sony fags keep saying you have these "exclusive" franchises when you really dont. Metal gear included.
Face it, developers choose the console that's best for them. They don't give a shit about loyalty to a console, they're a business.
There's only been 5 PS only FFs, and that's 7, 8, 9, 10, and 12. I don't see where this "context" comes from, but I didn't see nintendo fanboys whining like you do when FF7 didn't appear on N64 now did they?
Don't even start that knowledge game BS. I was here when final fantasy was first released.
The context of my speech is from the support of PlayStation 3 given the also known fact PlayStation as a whole has the held the last wave of final fantasy games.
The ones that were on NES SNES DS gameboy or even that weird CD-i offering are all completely irrelevant and unrelated. Take a couple minutes to digest what people are saying before you start waving your "sic burn" flag around.
Also try to cope with the fact that not everybody who has something to say is an 11 year old twerp on winter holiday break.
Example: If someone says 9/11 is the cause of the war or even oil was the cause nobody in their right mind outside of a smart ass would respond with "You're ignorance is laid bare for all to see, idiot! The war was started by the assassination of Franz Ferdinand. It started in 1914."
The concept is the same except the topic is final fantasy and PlayStation.
If you're looking for a place to go kick some common knowledge around, I hear Square Enix is looking for people to remind them they used to be Squaresoft.
He is of those retards that cant admit they are wrong or that they said something stupid and will try to defend it even if he keeps showing us how stupid he is.
@ Anon 21:35
The funny thing is that he can't admit it
Final Fantasy always has been play station...
that's still wrong, you ignorant teenager
I guess 7 was your first FF, more reason to hate that game. Now sony fanboys are claiming FF has always been on the PS.
Reading further it seems i give too much credit to that game, seems the ps was your first console. Believe me kid, you're just too used to that control scheme, but there are better controlers out there. Don't take this as an offense, the controler deal is my main gripe with the fighting games community, the Sony controler has become pretty much standar, so it's harder for me who doesn't like it, to find people to play with irl.
but Halo 1 and Halo 2 have no achievements, and they still are marvellous games. Personally i prefer the 360 controller, especially for RPGs. The play and charge kit means i dont have to worry about battery when i spend hours grinding and the fact that its large enough for my hands to grip it comfortably helps when i play for long periods of time. And somehow, for RPGs that require less input than FPSes, ive developed a lazy mans grip which leaves the controller on my lap and i play one handed.
The advent of Achievements/Trophies change the face of gaming forever. It's no longer a simple matter of personal pride to beat the game.
I enjoy showing off my awards to my friends or loud mouth bastards talking smack. That's my new personal pleasure. Not just I beat the game...I beat it more completely than you and I was better at it.
they also changed the experience of pure fun into a chore, for obsessive people who need to complete their games, in a way it makes you play more but do you really enjoy the game more?
I don't like how trophies are marketed as an exciting new feature.
And that way you can fap at the same time right?
You can play and charge any of the ps3 controllers actually.
I think the NES and SNES would like ot have a little word with you.
Don't forget the Nintendo DS also has some significant FF titles.
"Mainly my biggest gripe is 360's controller. It's atrocious. Which pushes me towards playstation for certain things otherwise I' buy 360. Not including this game."
Funny, the one thing I don't like about my PS3 is that I can't use the vastly superior xbox360 controller. The PS3 would be better if the controller wasn't designed with a five-year-olds hands as the target size.
in complete agreement.. i know its all personal in the end.. and all the stats and fudged fanboy data are meaningless when stacked against individual preference.. but ive hated the ps controller ever since xbox reduced the size of theirs.. but im sure to that 5 year old even the 360 controller is too big.. i will openly admit though that the d-pad for ps controllers is way better..
the PS Controler/DUALSHOCK has been around for a decade already... why kill a good thing? i own all the controlers from the PS1 (no analog+analoge)to the current DS3s...to all the GunCons.
Sony has managed to keep the controller the same to benefit the players who supported them over the decades...and thats a great move on their part.
ps controller is good? i bet you never owned a ps3. the analog stick is too awkwardly placed and its really very very soft. ps3 controller is not suitable to play fps or any other shooting game.
Huh? Read before you comment. I said i own ALL the PS controlers including the Dualshock3 which is made for a PS3?...Duh... And i do great with it on FPSs.
Sony labels their machine as a Entertainment machine unlike Microsoft who insists on saying its a gaming console and prides itself on FPSs and similar genres while PS3 enjoys a VARIETY of games and genres for all ages. a controler which fits ALL Roles of gaming and hand sizes...
which is evident through the same controller design over and over again. Might i add that PS2 fans were horribly shocked when they introduced the PS3 "Banana" which forced sony to re-adopt the classic design.
I own both PS3 and Xbox and i strongly prefer a PS controller due to its smaller size and portability. i dont want to play with a giant flying saucer all day long.
huh? Read before you talk. He said he owned all the PS controlers including the Dualshock3 which is for the PS3...duh?
I personally feel great playing FPS with the PS controler and kick ass. top 20000 in CoD:Mw2, what anon discribed as nostalgic where everything should be where it is. Classic. and i grew up playing MGS and playing MGS4 was no differnt.
what lies here is the problem, Sony invtented the present day next-gen controler, if anything xbox just copied sony with the 2 analog sticks, rumble, and etc.
Sony prides itself on labeling their machine a entertainment machine. On the other hand we have microsoft who calls it a Gaming console, which to this point have produced nothing but FPSs and similar type games(Exaggeration, JP games limited to Idolmaster, Dream Club, etc) while Sony and its PS3 have a VARIETY of games for everyone just like the Wii.
I personally own all 3 consoles, and give sony props on their controler, it has stayed the same and the Consumers/Fans/Critics all agree. Remember when the PS3 first came out with its "Banana" controler? everyone was aghast and devastated and demanded the classic Dualshock back, and sony gave in and changed it back...Sony believes the fans were right, and they are.
"ps3 controller is not suitable to play fps or any other shooting game"
Do you have any idea how silly this statement is? The vast majority of Japanese gamers HATE FPS or just don't like them. The PS controller is developed for games that are actually fun.
Also it's great for real shooters a.k.a SHMUPs...but then again, Xbox gamers wouldn't know the joy of having a proper D-pad.
I HATE the xbox pad for fighting games its so awkwardly placed and its so hard, I actually lose some fights on street fighter iv because my thumb couldnt handle it anymore.
Meh, both 360 and PS3 controllers have their faults. For example I'd love to have PlayStation's D-Pad on my 360 controller but the same time I like how 360's controller fits better in my hands.
Just buy the controller that suits your hand. It would be way better if both Sony and MS releases controllers in both sizes.
I've been gaming since the snes. The ps controller layout is pretty much the same as the snes layout. Only added analog and extra shoulder buttons. There is nothing wrong with the controller at all. Everyone who says the controller is bad is pretty much just a xbox fanboy.
The xbox controller is pretty much the same layout except the swapped the analog and d-pad around. I have no trouble playing with either controller except when it comes to fighting games. I'm just so used to using the d-pad from the snes days for fighting games. And the 360 d-pad is horrible.
Both the 360 and ps3 controller are decent. And to actually say your thumbs touch each other when using the analog on the ps3 is pure bull shit. You need to get your head outta your ass and actually use the dam controller before you make up crap.
Not sure what you're goin on about... As a 30 yr old male I love my PS3 controller, as I did my PS2 controller, and my PS1 controller before that. As the saying goes, if it aint broke, don't fix it.
Yeah the Xbox controller seems big to me also. It's no problem when it's only the main button but it becomes really hard to use the triggers.
On the other hand am only 1,74 and my hands are thin. I see lot's of people with a lot fatter fingers and hands.
It looks like each controller is better for different people.
...what!? peoples hands have grown too large for ps controllers in 19 years? the human species doesn't change significantly/at all in that period of time.
Interesting concept.
To clarify it's simply the 360 controller is large and fat much like dreamcast with buttons that don't seem to mesh well. You actually have to use effort to push the trigger buttons and the control pad isn't designed for fighting games.
Maybe it's just me but I can smackdown with the best of them in say tekken 6 of SF 4 on ps3. Put it on 360, and the computer mode on noob easy plays better than me on my best day.
Heck I even struggled on Resident Evil 5 with 360. Couldn't beat stage 1 at all. Hard time functioning. Bought it on PS3 and beat that game inside out.
I know what he is talking about. When i hold a PS3, PS2 or PS1 controller, my fingers wrap ALL the way around the grip and my thumbs occasionally brush against each other holding the analogs. The controller is smaller than it should be. Deal with it.
Of course it could be that the current generation is better nourished than the older generation as evidenced by the abundance of tall young people. People of the now have bigger hands, and the PS3 controller hasnt grown to accomodate that. It might have not been broken then, but its broken now.
The PS3 is perfect for the Japanese hands, and the big fat xbox controller works for Americans because caucasians are too damn tall
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4Lm7xkmSB8
The thing why the Xbox360 is failing is because this point. Understand who are playing most of the games. Plus if you really want to compare further, the population of white skin is far lesser than that of Asians.
Your hands do not get bigger if you grow fat. If you make a claim that your hands grow bigger with more fats, then you contradict the point that your heart also grows bigger.
Smaller hands, smaller penises, smaller brains?
Japanese people, hands in particular, are smaller than most western people. It's not a shock that a japanese console has smaller controllers, they might optimize them more toward their closest purchasers. They may also base their size more on younger users.
With that said, I actually like the 360 controller a lot, more than PS3's. After playing on my PS2 controller for thousands of hours, I also still feel it's not very comfortable, especially where your palms touch it.
Still undeniable that [at least in developed countries] the current generation is getting sufficient or even too much nourishment. More than the previous generation.
That means bigger [or fatter] people.
That means bigger hands.
Japanese people do have smaller hands in general, but in terms of ergonomics, the 360 controller has the best shape for its intended audience. The PS3 controller may have the best shape for the japanese but this disregards the european and north american markets, countries where obesity is an epidemic and people generally have larger hands.
You must be young. The first FF game to appear on playstation was FF VII. Prior to that FF was on Nintendo.
Final Fantasy was Nintendo first, why'd they sell out and go over to Sony? Hurp durp. Poor fucking excuse. Final Fantasy has never been "always been playstation". But what can you expect from a generation that seems to totally ignore the series pre-VII?
It doesnt prove anything really.
If you want to be lazy and leave your video uncompressed [which results in a huge filesize and maximum quality], then go for blu ray. But then you will have to deal with the PS3s installing of games because blu ray has such a slow search time [2x speed]
If you want to take the extra effort to compress your videos [MUCH smaller filesize. Depending on the compression, quality loss will only be noticable on huge full HDTVs] and want to reap the benefits of the DVDs 12x speed then go for DVD.
As a logical point to make an educated decision on a console, this doesnt prove anything. As troll fuel for inciting fanboy console wars, this means alot.
Also, its kinda funny that the videos are saved in the .wmp [windows media player] format.
that WMP has nothing to do with Windows Media, their format is WMV, WMA and ASF.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.wmv
Windows Media Video (WMV) is a compressed video file format for several proprietary codecs developed by Microsoft.
I quote the song 'We didnt start the flame war'
If youre gonna call bullshit, POST A LINK TO PROVE IT
You completely disregarded the part where I said it was a widely known fact, didn't you?
But wait, do you even read?
The general rule of thumb is not to call up a Wiki link for all you know, it contains misleading information. If you really want to reference to something concrete, use books.
But wait, do you even read?
"If youre gonna call bullshit, POST A LINK TO PROVE IT"
and you use a wiki URL to prove something...
if that's case, i can prove to you that elvis' not dead and he's living with aliens.
BTW, I'm not saying the other guy you are responding is right.
It's an extremely well-known fact, however. Calling up the wiki argument is moot (not the guy).
Just to point something out, 2x is an arbitrary number based on whatever real number measurement is represented by 1x.
For example, a read speed of 16x from a DVD is incredibly faster than 16x from a CD. No, this doesn't stop the Xbox from being able to read discs faster than a PS3, I'm just pointing out a logical fallacy in your claims.
Learn to google. People strap on 12x and 2x on their media readers for a reason.
a 1x DVD reads data at 10.5 Mbit/s
a 1x Blu-Ray reads data at 36 Mbits/s
Blu ray reads raw data faster because of its smaller laser.
DVD however, reads data as a whole faster, because it is CHEAPER to produce 8x, 16x and 24x DVD readers, which read at 8x, 16x and 24x the aforementioned speed respectively.
Currently the fastest Blu-Ray reader is 12x and those players are ridiculously expensive. [This is the reason that purpose built blu ray movie players cost more than PS3s].
The PS3 only has a 2x Blu-Ray player.
Logical Fallacy overruled with fact.
Furthermore, because the Blu-Ray can hold more data, and it uses a smaller Blue Laser, it takes a longer time to search across all that data. This problem is further increased due to lazy developers not compressing their Blu-Ray data giving the laser a whole lot more data to search through. Developers have been known to do this to show the purported necessities of Blu-Ray as a storage format. If developers make it seem that all the extra storage is NECESSARY, it helps sony in the format war and sony has been known to get developers to fill the extra space with blank filler data to get these results [in the case of Resistance 1].
PS3 uses XDR DRAM, which stands for "eXtreme Data Rate", and is, in fact, almost as fast as you can get, with a 25.6GB/s data rate.
Loading time is mostly influenced by the speed at which you can read the data from the storage medium, and the time it takes to decompress it.
And of course they only cared about reducing costs, as it was selling at too big of a loss. They've kept removing components and features since the time it was released. They would never bother upgrading something as the BD drive, which is the MOST EXPENSIVE component it has already.
That is the issue with Sony I can never understand when they released PS3 slim.
First they did nothing about that RAM which most likely caused the slow loading time. Now, they still have not found any stroke of innovation to upgrade the BD reader.
I can only conclude their rational behind this reason as is to lower the producing cost ASAP.
One advantage that should be pointed out is that Blu-ray does have a constant read speed, instead of the DVD's maximum read speed (the maximum value is the one that's advertised).
"DVD however, reads data as a whole faster, because it is CHEAPER to produce 8x, 16x and 24x DVD readers, which read at 8x, 16x and 24x the aforementioned speed respectively."
I believe this isn't worded perfectly even though I understand the meaning behind it.
Essentially, if you were to compare the same read speeds for each (x1 DVD vs x1 Blu-ray), you'd find superior data reading values for the Blu-ray.
The problem is the higher the read speed, the higher the price the drive is sold for. This is very minimal regarding DVD drives, but for Blu-ray, the price skyrockets.
Now, the PS3 has x2 Blu-ray read speed which makes it end up with a constant read speed of about 8Mbps.
This value is inferior to DVD read speeds of x12 which will oscillate between 8.2ish and 16ish Mbps.
In the end, even with oscillations in mind, the DVD drive will acquire more data than the Blu-ray one.
Even on blu-ray video need to be compressed :} to h264. Blu-ray speed or even ps3 horsewpower is to slow for raw uncompressed video data :] . X360 will get just 720p quality movies with lower bitrate . And you dont need uncompressed audio on both consoles becouse audio quality on both hardware is weak (dont expect something awesome from low-end audio codecs in your consoles).
Hideo Kojima mentionend even MGS4 that the audio capacities of the PS3 are really good.
Hideo Kojima mentionend even before MGS4 release that the audio capacities of the PS3 are really good.
hehe u make some great points, and yep funny about the wmp format there.. but in this game's case, FF13 doesnt require an install so it's not that bad..
People just exagerate on just about everything nowadays, it's simply pathetic.. and to think so many gamers are adults, makes me wonder..
Another idiot who doesn't know that 2x on Blu-ray is not the same as 2x on DVD.