Tales of Graces Wii Beta Confirmed?
- Categories: Games, News
- Date: Dec 18, 2009 22:42 JST
- Tags: Namco Bandai, Ports, PS3, RPG, Tales of Graces, Tales of Vesperia, Wii
Excessively diligent investigators maintain they have proven that the recently released Tales of Graces has a missing character, which is of course exactly what happened with the Xbox 360 beta version of Tales of Vesperia and its eventual perfect PS3 version.
As explained previously, 2ch denizens examining the compiled code of Tales of Vesperia β found suspect references to a missing character (PAT), which turned out to be loli pirate Patty.
Tales of Graces seems to have traces of a certain “DEVD,” thought to be a missing character.
As with Vesperia, it also has mysterious gaps in some of its event scenes:
The inevitable suspicion is that a PS3 port may materialise a year hence; however, the extra character is probably a man, and Wii fans are not the same close-knit kindred of maniacs as Japanese Xbox fans, so the same entertaining theatrics as last time seem unlikely.
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I wonder if the developers put a dummy text in the resources just for lulz. Maybe they read 2ch themselves and couldn't resist the chance.
For example, Dawn of war II resources contain youtube link for Rick'n'roll. But it doesn't mean Rick would be in the next Warhammer 40000.
Or does it?
I think you're on the right track there, Anon. In programming, there are lots of places where dummy, filler, and debug code is used.
Anyone remember Missingno? It's not a pokemon that was left out for a later release.
"DEVD" may not be an actual character. It could refer to a temporary "DEVelopment" dummy. A placeholder used during the testing phase.
While the two typical signs we saw in Vesperia - unidentified character and strange gaps in cutscenes - are there, it's not proof. We'll just have to wait and see.
Development Dummy...
By gum, that's smart. You may be on to something there.
Anon 07:46 19/12/2009 here.
Notice -1 -1 after DEVD. Where as all other entries have 0 99.
It may refer to 'not include in current build' and it may refer to 'void character'. F.e., somebody is dead/absent and can't appear in the cutscene.
DEVelvoper Dummy. Makes sense considering there is no character in Graces which would match the name DEVD as there was with flynn.
Best comment on the page. Everything above seems to be stupid ps3 fanboys trying to rub their noses into artefact's ass.
oh, come on, he would be DEBD in this case :D
if they know how to spell V, they obviously know how to spell A.
Except there is a character called "David" (which can be romanised in a frightening variety of ways):
ダヴィド・パラディ ストラタ大統領。
Bring Vesperia PS3 to the West first, then make more ports. Sheesh.
Not gonna happen.
Symphonia PS2 didn't even make it here.
and the fact im still happy that Asbel is Suzaku and a real one at that I'am in no position to complain even if he has no majinken as long as he spins like Suzaku does lol
First week sales of tales of graces were bad, almost as low as tales of versperia on 360, a console nobody gives a shit about in Japan.
Releasing this game a mere week before FF13 was a retarded idea, namco are clearly deluded.
Or they just don't care about Square's releases. The Tales fanbase is rather diehard and - at least in the American market - tends to have a good portion of anti-FF fans.
And there's another possibility. It's called competition.
Frankly, I don't care about the sales Graces gets because I know it's still a damn good game and, after seeing FF13's linearity, it might be a BETTER game than FF13.
Sales are not any indication of quality or any indication that the consumers know what they're buying, if the sales of the Endless Eight DVDs are any indication.
most of the Tales fans are the same die hard fans that eat up FF just as much as anyone else.
the american market for jrpgs is barely large enough to have supposed divisions like that.
the diehard american Tales fans tend to just be the diehard jrpg fans who eat up whatever comes this way.
Tales of Graces has sold about 140,000 units last report, which isn't too bad for a week-old game really. That's about half of Vesperia's PS3 total showing since its release.
When you consider that most RPGs in general sell 300,000-350,000 units in Japan total, that's decent for an early showing. The market just isn't as strong as it was in the half-million Tales of Abyss days, so you have to know what to expect.
Wait. 140,000?
HELL YEAH!
Sounds like you don't know much about game sales in Japan. This is an RPG. In general first week sales are at least 75% of lifetime sales for most games of this genre because they tend to be heavily front loaded and people tend to buy used copies past a certain point.
The fact that ToG only sold half of ToV's LTD means it won't be catching it anytime soon (note: ToV PS3 sold 200,000 copies its first week).
Tales of Sony.
over analyzing much?
and suppose this get a port to 360 or PS3 then anyone should ask themselves are you guys willing to pay for a almost no possibility of getting localized game with Japanese quality DLC? so what the heck enjoy much of the capabilities now or else suffer later no?
Even if it is a beta, it's not like the other version would be released in the States anyways, so it's no big deal.
They better quit with that shit or they will start a riot......
If they do it here, i'll lose respect for them. Along with most fans.
The Wii Beta is confirmed: http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/6448/togps3.jpg
\o/
I think most people buying an RPG on the Wii would already assume that it will be superior on whatever system it is inevitably ported to.
Thank god, it doesn't deserve to have to be on the wii, I'll be happy if it gets to get on the PS3. The game is so fucking good
Beta tales of grace? what a disgrace ......
YOU DONT FUCKING KNOW WHAT BETA MEANS YOU STUPID FUCKING PIECES OF SHIT
FYI THIS IS BUSINESS AS USUAL IN THE VIDEO GAME WORLD
I MEAN FUCK YOURE ACTING LIKE DOUBLE DIPPING IS A NEW CONCEPT
OHHHHHHHHHHHHHH DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMN
This tales shit is actually kind of pissing me off - and I have fairly good tolerance for this shit.
Releasing a half finished game does not please me.
Oh and Sophie has an Hot ass. I'd hit it hard.
Dat Ass, you must tap it..
Agreed, but that is Pascal's job
If the last character is a shota i would buy it
^ This :D
Another loli pirate would be awesome
If that guy's not a shota then i'm not buying it >:(
lol looks like those "Wii fans" are not that close
Or it could be a "DLC" unlockable in the future. Namco sure loves the nickel and dime microtransaction scheme lately.
DLC on my Wii?
dont you know?... go find those DLC for tales of graces idolmaster DS to boot and sophie has a miku suit
Tales of Graces is and always will be a Wii exclusive. Just take your ass to the store and buy it. If you don't live in Japan then wait like the rest of us.... Damn i hate Sony fanboys.. They are the worst, PS3 is losing and they are pulling every excuse there is an hoping for ports.
ps3 is coming back in a big way son. course my pc is ALOT better, but thats just because you can't update the ps3's hardware.
Anoon 23:38
"Sony fanboys" probably hate anonymous crybabies.
Yeah the ps3 is failing, it's sales rose and it's getting better games, the 360's dismal sales and good games that release with another console's copy are way better.*end sarcasm* The Wii has a few games though that should be good coming out later. No More Heroes 2 for example.
Your last line is funny.
As true as that is, it's too early to start saying whether or not there will be a port. This is business as usual to game developers. If they find profit in it, they will. If not, then they won't. They don't need to cater to EVERYONE's needs after all, and assuming that yours will always be followed is already flawed in logic.
New extra loli would be lovely~ Though Sophie looks fine enough..
they should add a character like Kuroko
I'm gettin my GF a WII for Christmas....May have to getthis game...
"however, the extra character is probably a man"
That "man" should probably be a delicious shota-trap pirate...
This character's code name is DEVD....anybody wanna try guessing his/her name??
Hm...I was thinking the same thing.
Statue of David!
Hm...I'm thinking everyone is thinking David, which makes me think it could be something else...
It's just the same strategy again. Practically the whole jrpg market in Japan is doing this already.
Devdan! [http://animeki.pytalhost.com/feart/fe9/devdan.jpg]
Devdan's awesome. Lancer in Tales games sounds awesome. (Never played enough Tales games to know about it)
Devd... Devine dragon!
Devid
David (デイヴィド)? =/
hermaphrodite david
If it's a male character, I'd have to agree that "deivido" would be the best guess.
And where's Goliath then?
ASBL -> Goliat
"Missing" character does not equal "beta". Stop using that word to describe fully featured games that are a blast to play from start to finish. It's sad when people use their own site to troll.
its sad when people aren't allowed to use their own site to troll.
it is afterall, his site to do with as he pleases.
It's sarcasm when they call it a beta. Tho it's not far from the truth and most people don't really mind. Enjoy your BETA!!!
agreed...
sometimes i wonder if Artefact is just good humored or a Big troller...
either way, calling any game that will have port on the ps3 a beta despite this market being like, old old school, is sad...
btw, my only concern is about what is going on with their minds doing such strategy...do they really think ppl will by TWO games just to play some extra or to see one new char?
When something is missing...
Something that is a part of the game since development...
Something that appears in a later version...
Then the product IS a beta.
Then you can say that for every mmorpg ever released as they are constantly updating. Oh and every game with DLC. Your logic is pathetically flawed.
actually YOUR logic is more flawed than 3:25's
many MMOs ARE released barely out of beta form, if even. but the fact that they're constantly updating, or that other games are getting DLC does not equal beta, or even equal what 3:25 said if you actually paid attention to what was written.
"Something that is a part of the game since development..."
given that mmo content expansions are meant to EXPAND on original content, not finish original content, those would not count.
some DLC is purely activating what was in the game to begin with but even then, DLC is designed to EXPAND the original content, not complete it.
therefore YOUR logic is whats completely flawed.
the beta claim is when the game, like many mmos actually, just not the way YOUR logic framed it, is released INCOMPLETE. missing original content that was supposed to be there.
THAT really is the crux of the complaint. thinking back to Vesperia for example, the complaint from many a pissed off japanese 360 owner was that from what they saw in the coding and some clues in the game dialogue, they believed Patty was always supposed to be in the game. that the 360 version was released INCOMPLETE. minus a character that is supposed to be in the original content. THAT is what makes it beta.
note = Namco has denied that is the case, but that doesn't always change anyone's minds.
I really don't think it matters in the case of this Tales of...
the only reason XBOX gamers were pissed is that they lost a chance to have a loli pirate
I'll be honest... WTF?
I'm in IT but I don't understand this technical stuff @_@
But story short, there's a flaw right?
Let the trolling BEGIN!
They are called memory adresses
The list is basically a library that the game uses to generate models and animations
That means you suck as an IT worker
Bwahahaha!
Doesn't IT stand for information tecnology, and tend to be more internettish?
lmfao imagine if it gets ported to the xbox as a apologie it will never happen but its funny to think if it did
YOU WII CASUALFAGS SURE GOT TOLD.
Could be a DLC character....Just sayin'....
Anyone know if there will be a Tales of vesperia for the US ps3?
I google lots of pages with people asking the question, but no one has a definite answer.
Its a SONY !!
Just because it's coming out on one console before the other does not make it beta.
All tales games are the same fucking thing anyway, played one, played them all.
whoa, another tales beta?
Namco really loves PS3, eh?
Both Namco and Sony own the company Cellius that is made to bring out the power of the Cell processor so you can't really be surprised if they are given favor, but I highly doubt this flamebait is actually true though.
and i was going to buy a wii bundle with tog, i guess i'll wait a little more, many thanks Artefact
It may be a beta, but its a damn good one. Really enjoying this installment.
Further proof that there is no true winner this console generation, where a developer will just target one platform and be done with. With the 10th, 11th, and 12th installment of the mothership titles in the Tales Series debuting for 360, DS, and Wii respectively, is Bamco in the right mind playing musical consoles and hoping their fanbase has all the hardware to play along?
If it weren't for the Japanese game industry, I wouldn't have taken attention away from the PC and bothered with consoles in the first place. Now they've managed to convince Western devs to not only go console-only (after lame PC ports), but play musical consoles as well. In the meantime we have all these copycat MMOs and casual shit clogging the PC.
While the Wii has sold a lot of units, think about it. Lets leave Japan out of it and focus on the western market. How many Wii owners would actually buy a JRPG? I don't know the exact number of "casual gamers", but I'd imagine grandparents and little kids having little interest in Tales of Graces. If you're a western fan of the Tales series, you're in a small group compared to gamers who have never heard of or don't care about it. And more than likely you own another console anyway.
Although it'd be nice to finally have a quality game for the Wii, Namco probably knows how it's going to end up. A PS3 port is a fun bit of insurance if the Wii version doesn't sell, and if it does do well, its a great way to make even more money.
*cough* tales of symphonia 2 (wii exclusive)
Not all wii gamers spend their days on wii sports!
The majority of wesern gamers on the other consoles have fps's en-lodged in their brains so they'd never even consider playing a Jrpg either!
I don't have a ps3 and a family member does have an xbox360 so I also got screwed with the pirate loli...
The main thing I have to say is, while I'm perfectly fine with namco porting it, I'm upset if they plan to add new content and a whole new character(which they originally leave out on purpose!)
At dehsue:"A PS3 port is a fun bit of insurance if the Wii version doesn't sell." Don't give me that.. It's a scheme to sell more and to get some to buy the game twice.
If they want to port it, fine, but don't screw around and add content a year later which I can never experience.The port will still sell with upgraded graphics and carps. It will also sell to those who don't own a wii. Taking out content to add it back in to the port a year hence isn't right. If namco does do this it deserves to be called a beta just like vesperia in which case the game should be free for testing :D