A new legal ruling makes talking to children online a possible criminal offence, with the crime of Internet luring no longer requiring any sexually explicit communication or even any intention of meeting the child for prosecution to proceed.
According to a judge with the Supreme Court of Canada, the law against “Internet luring” now “makes it a crime to communicate by computer with underage children or adolescents for the purpose of facilitating the commission of the offences,” an expansion of the previous interpretation which required some intent to actually meet the child.
“Facilitating” is interpreted as including any act which might in some way increase the chances of a child somewhere being exploited.
Anything which exploits a child’s “curiosity, immaturity or precocious sexuality” is also criminalised under the new law, and the judge emphasised that such criminal contact need not be sexual in nature.
The judge maintains that the decision will stop the plague of Internet child molesters dead:
“Those who use their computers to lure children for sexual purposes often groom them online by first gaining their trust through conversations about their home life, their personal interests or other innocuous topics.
This is in keeping with Parliament’s objective to close the cyberspace door before the predator gets in to prey.”
The new ruling was prompted by an earlier case of “Internet luring” in which the perpetrator engaged in sexually explicit chats with a 12-year-old girl, but managed to convince the courts that he had no intention of actually meeting the girl for sex, exploiting an apparent loophole and resulting in his acquittal.
The updated ruling overturns this acquittal on the grounds that the judge’s interpretation of the law was too narrow.
Campaigners for tougher laws “protecting” children are delighted at the prospect of finally being able to lock people up for having the temerity to talk to a child:
“There’s been a very clear message that in fact this is something that is an offence, and as a result, I would think that there will now be more arrests and prosecutions of adults committing these kind of crimes.
If you’re an adult and if you’re having conversations with a child on the Internet, be warned because even if your conversations aren’t sexual and even if your conversations are not for the purpose of meeting a child and committing an offence against a child, what you’re doing is potentially a crime.”
Via CTV.
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You know what, I'm just going to stick my middle finger up at this law right now, they better re-think it.
So now in Canada it is only legal to talk to a minor if you're a minor?
Which means minors are now only allowed to talk among themselves? Even though minors always have at least one legally aged friend, usually the one they use to buy booze?
Fuck this. I'm renouncing my citizenship.
I can see the writing on the wall, this is just the Supreme Court finding a way to legally put political enemies in prison.
What adult who uses the internet DOESN'T have some form of contact with minors? Look forward to lots of arrests of radical speakers.
I'm out. Fuck my country. God Bless America, etc.
Get the fuck out
Way to give lip anon. First anon: leave some directions for other pilgrims plox
Another reason for Quebec to leave Canada! XD
hey hey, they maybe french,but don't lump 'em in wth the pedophiles
Oh shut up anon that has nothing to do with that. Quebec wants to sucede and like the french they value democracy and expression'n shit.
This is another reason why America is better than Canada
Not by much, though. Still too many Americans trying to use this same witch hunt to take away many freedoms all in the false promise of 'protecting the children'.
And in America, they'll be prevented from banning something (simple child nudity), but still go after it with hate mobs and also try to get it banned elsewhere. Japan actually has harsher laws regarding production and distribution of real child pornography than the US, but the American witch hunters (unicef/equity now/etc) deride and complain that Japan is soft on CP laws because Japan doesn't see the point of spending billions of dollars investigating/prosecuting/incarcerating for possession. America has been in love with the idea of throwing people they don't like in jail and throwing the keys away for the past 2 or 3 decades and it's led them to overcrowded prisons that they can no longer afford to keep running. Can you say massive budget deficits that predates the current financial meltdown? Good, I knew you could. And why should Japan follow this failed system?
Sadly, it looks like Japan is investigating laws regarding all this with a working team: http://mdn.mainichi.jp/mdnnews/news/20091207p2a00m0na008000c.html
I'm all for eradicating REAL child porn, but WAY to many people have such ridiculous ideas about what child porn is, it's impossible to have a intelligent conversation with them. For instance: Demi Moore once called a photo of her underage daughter showing a little cleavage as 'child porn' and wanted it removed from the internet (good luck with that). I've seen more cleavage at the beach on women of all ages.
Sadly as long as the fear mongers can demonize anyone who dares talk back and pretend they are doing it for the children instead of trying to force their narrow minded, bigoted religious views on everyone, they'll keep winning battles.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Oh you were serious
This is bull. I'm Canadian and underage and I'm sure I've talked to a few adults on the Internet before, but that doesn't mean I'm stupid enough to go meet any of them in real life unaccompanied. I just talk to people who share my interests, I don't even care how old they are.
The government is way too paranoid about this. It was pointless when they banned loli too.
DFM and people like him: SPEAK UP WHILE YOU ARE STILL MINORS.
Seriously, fucking hell, if you wait until you're 18 then you'll just be labelled a pedophile. Now, while you're not someone who can get hurt from this law, but rather, someone who risks hurting others by communicating with them, SPEAK UP about it.
goddammit canada
next! do not talk to people online! only animals! and A.I.
I tried talking to an A.I. once. It was convincing...until he told me to turn the game console off.
Ban internet.
The irony ><
Fuck this indeed. I'm also from Canada, and this is bullshit. Fuck the supreme court, Fuck the conservatives and Fuck Harper. In the butt.
ALL the conservatives?
I'm a con myself and I hate this act.
Better rethink your word choice.
Yeah I have to agree with 11:28 here, don't generalize 10:21. Keep the hate focused on the people who pushed the bill, allowed it, who have the power to overturn and don't, etc.
Mostly that smug guy with the classes who was all THRILLLLLED about it.
Especially Harper!
I have a feeling that this law is made with assumption that children are innocent angelic beings who speak truth all the time. If they're asked to fill their age into the age form, they'll do it truthfully. If they're asked to leave a site because they're U-18, then they'll leave. It can't be more wrong... If they think that children don't have the thought of falsifying age, they (the lawmakers) are dead wrong...
In the internet, people can't be sure on who's who on the other side. I can brag to people that I'm 14 or 122 years old - will you believe it? Well, one will need to be a moron to buy it. Do those lawmakers know this? If they don't know, it can be assumed that they don't know internet, and should not be allowed to make a law on one.
Hell, most teenagers I know are taking meth up the ass and fucking each other left and right.
Children are worse than most adults in regards to illegal activities. And they're perfectly aware of what they're doing.
Why do we have laws protecting the little shits again? They're not going to follow them...
One of the odd things I find is even with all this Canada still clings to it's right to beat the hell out it's kids, even with weapons and enough force to cause welts. Eventually the only legal way for adults to interact with a child will be to commit violence on them.
Hey, i got spanked by my parents when i fucked up. but i never got beaten with a weapon, sorry your parents told you it was legal in Canada , so they get away with beating you with one. Get out of the trailer asshole.
agnes chan would be so proud of canada, maybe she should move over there?
anyway... as absurd and unenforcable as this sounds, maybe... just maybe it's nobody's real concern unless they really like to ask shota and loli out on a date or something?
Who wants to rely on 'maybe'? All it takes is a butthurt person who knows how to exploit this to shoot their mouth off long enough until others cooperate to enforce their will.
Oh Canada.....You fucking retards.
Can we get some under-age kids to talk to Canadian politicians and Judges via the Internet so that we can have them all jailed?
lehnerus2000
As if that'd work... They'd just concocta quick solution for themselves. "The person I talked to didn't identify him/herself as a minor!"
But if a common citizen does it:
"To jail with you! You pedophile!"
You are correct.
One law for "them" and another for "us".
lehnerus2000
Use their case as a precedent and copy/paste their defense wherever and whenever applicable.
And then see if they start to think that their law actually creates more loopholes than they could ever hope to close.
What a pathetic country.
I can't believe they are actually putting restrictions on the freaking internet. The INTERNET. Restrictions. You know you're doomed.
CP ban is understandable, and I can tolerate that, but merely talking to children? Haha, oh wow. What's next, banned insulting people on the internet? Sad.
Meh, it's not understandable to all. That's a similar thing that leads to a lot of BS resource-wasting. Save the kids from the pornographers, then the job's done.
i live in canada and frankly nobody talks to underage children on the internet besides pedos... so this law really doesnt affect much...
This is a good thing not a bad thing you morons...
....Anon 23:55 07/12/2009, do you actually understand what Anonymous mean? Dude you could be talking to a bloody terrorist or Jaba the Hut for all you know on the other side of the world. Here's a tip: there is something called lying and pretending...and I'm sure any sane person here agrees. Internet is serious business.
Don't want to be a puppet of the state and pro censors? Try thinking a little bit more about the consequences and implicatins each law brings if it is created instead of looking forward to a delicious cake that these witch hunters so call promise you'd get. Because majority of time, the cake is a lie.
I suppose you don't happen to run across underage children over the internet in the various internet communities you interact with, including this one.
Example: you play Xbox Live and you meet a kid who is obviously underage. Seems like a nice kid and plays well, so you decide to carry over into some other games with him and add him as a friend.
Your country considers this ILLEGAL.
wow do you know what facilitating means?
O_o Wow, and here I thought there wasn't a real country of epic faggotry.
You learn something new everey day.
yeah it's called The United States of America
Well I don't particularly like the US but at least they're not on a way to ban procreation in some years in order to avoid having people looking at lolis and turning into pedos, and all that failed logical chain.
23:55, obvious trolling is obvious
time to close down mmo's since childern in canada play WoW and could be talking to adults!
Well as a Canadian.... thankfully living in the states atm... wonder how they are going to go about online MMO's where millions of adults play a game, where children also play and they interact with one another...
MMO's provides chat and nothing stopping someone from talking to children online thru a MMO... I can see a MMO ban in the making or mass prosecution to any gamer lol
Seriously this is sad, I cannot believe they actually approved this... dont think I will be returning to Canada any time soon lol
First of all since when does a law stop a criminal from doing whatever he wants to do. So let's get past the political smokescreen and see what is really going on. Therefore crimes are not going to go down. This law simply aids the government in being able to bust anyone that they suspect (and may not actually be committing a crime). It is a device to get legal niceties out of the way so that when they want to arrest and prosecute someone they can do it with legal impunity. It puts the burden of defense solely on the individual and since the law is so broad, anyone who is suspected will go to prison, no questions asked. It cleans up and goes overboard to make sure the problem is solved. Person liberties LOL. Secondly, have you been watching what kind of laws have been made concerning these types of freedoms in the rest of the Commonwealth? Canada is just a little slow jumping on the bandwagon. Do we have any Canadians out there who value personal freedom? Why don't you say something about it to your politicians?
And an another overreaction on a single case.
Just watched the vid on CTV, and I must say. THAT IS THE BIGGEST LOAD SHIT I HAVE EVER HEARD.
Bald dude needs to take the stick out of his ass. He sounds like a faggot.
I would call him a pussified mangina,they are destroying society,when being affected by feminists.
They ignore the consequnces and problems that come from this, jailing innocents,demonizing men.
And they know they can get away with it and cause all those problems,becouse they don't need responsibility.Why would they need responsibility when no one can punish them for what they have done.
Now if there was a way to punish these people for wrong used laws,then we wouldn't have such problems today.
Ohhh dear. Hopefully this law won't be abused (hahaha, yeah right).
Thank God I don't live in Canada...I talk to so many underaged people, but I never ask them creepy things or try to meet up with them.
Well, this will throw off those Canadians that advocate, "Help the US citizens! Bring them to Canada, where they can REALLY live freely!" (and yes, I've encountered Canadians that have said this).
lol canadians
I lol when my fellow citizens say this. I'm thinking all "I'd love to move south, or better yet, west"
So I guess I can never play WoW or Halo again.
You're ... sad about this?
I know: This is all China's fault, right? XD
I didn't know I'm living in a world full of superbrains.
Does this include talking to relatives, such as your younger siblings or cousins?
ALL under 18s. ALL.
Doesn't matter who.
I am today, finding it very hard to be proud to be Canadian.
I'd likely leave Sankaku for my own safety sake (some of you nut cases could be 15 or under eh), if not for the simple fact that the site is knee deep in loli, pics of nice Japanese tits and cunts, and all sorts of discussion over masturbating habits already.
It's not like I will stand out around here :)
and boy those kids in this time they do facebook now what the heck ban em all right now
lol there's tonnes of loli on facebook
This is a step in the right direction - if old people can't talk to children that means they can't hero the girls' rooms nor annoy them. The ones who really get girls to do stuff are guys their own age.
A step in the right direction? This means that I can no longer speak to my twelve-year-old cousin on Facebook! But what the hell, right? If you punish everyone, you're bound to catch a few guilty people.
Just an FYI, judges and cops have brains, if your related to the child in question and obviously does not have any desire to rape the kid then ther is nothing to worry about. The law is passed because lolicons constantly exploit the system by coming up with said excuse. Besides even if you are caught chatting with a minor, THEY still have to prove that you really are a pervert.
This lunacy was interesting when I first heard about it. Then it seemed to just die out and go away.
I decided to stop giving a damn.
Some times that's the only way to deal with insanity I suppose.
Stephen Harper is an ass plain and simple.
Look at what happens when the conservatives have a minority government.
I hope they never get a majority, cause if they do then we will see some real infringement on their rights.
LOL, it happened.
Law makers running out of laws
Ok, first off it was a judge. That's completely different from passing bills through the parliament, what it means is that some dumbass did something really that stupid that the court thinks it needs to set a precedent for future reference.
This happens when bigots gets the power. All the ridiculous laws that allegedy have to help children will turn against them in the future.
This is it. The world fails.
Any commenters in favor of this law should realize that they've already broken it by posting here. At least one of the commenters admitted to being under 18...
Not everyone is Canadian here, either.
I have to say that this is the STUPIDIEST law I've ever heard of, and leaves things out to all other places that can be exploited too, that means soon sites might end up firewalling anyone from canada because of this so called law, anyone who speaks to anyone under the age of 18 that "exploits curiosity, immaturity or precious sexuality"? What the fuck, precious sexuality?
you can tell that the person who said this was a totally moron who is not in touch with reality at all. I guess soon they'll be also charging teachers for talking about sex ed in schools, you better watch out teachers, you might be charged with sexual molestation just for teaching sex ed.
This law won't stand at all, it's total and utter nonsense, so I guess it is true, you can't speak to your sons or daughters, nieces of nephews online because they might think you might be trying to molest them in some way. The slightest HINT is enough to make these worry-wart bleeding heart fuckers think you're gonna "rape" their kids will be enough. Totally sickening, they think they're making a difference? They should go and ship their kids off to a prison, there you go they'll be safe there, because the way it seems, soon enough that's what Canada will be, one big prison, for canadians on a law that was passed by someone they didn't even vote for.
Parents, stay away from your children! No talking over teh srs internets, because that's illegal. In Canada.
There might be contests to this law on the ground of the Bill of Rights.
Right-wing politicians are too stupid to write laws properly, let alone handling a country's budget...
I'm waiting for the "take advantage of laws' loophole" law.
Then they are perfect.
I have to say that this is the STUPIDIEST law I've ever heard of, and leaves things out to all other places that can be exploited too, that means soon sites might end up firewalling anyone from canada because of this so called law, anyone who speaks to anyone under the age of 18 that "exploits curiosity, immaturity or precious sexuality"? What the fuck, precious sexuality?
you can tell that the person who said this was a totally moron who is not in touch with reality at all. I guess soon they'll be also charging teachers for talking about sex ed in schools, you better watch out teachers, you might be charged with sexual molestation just for teaching sex ed.
This law won't stand at all, it's total and utter nonsense, so I guess it is true, you can't speak to your sons or daughters, nieces of nephews online because they might think you might be trying to molest them in some way. The slightest HINT is enough to make these worry-wart bleeding heart fuckers think you're gonna "rape" their kids will be enough. Totally sickening, they think they're making a difference? They should go and ship their kids off to a prison, there you go they'll be safe there, because the way it seems, soon enough that's what Canada will be, one big prison, for canadians on a law that was passed by someone they didn't even vote on.
I'd like to know how the fuck I'm supposed to find out the age of someone I'm talking to on the internet.
This is just as bullshit as the Canadian "Human Rights" Commission.
And of course within 5 comments this turned into the same thing as every other comment thread on Sankaku:
AMERICA SUCKS!
I hardly ever bother to read the comments any more. Not that I give a shit about America, but because I want to read comments that are, y'know ABOUT THE FUCKING STORY.
YES! Now we can get those fucking brats offline, maybe.
let me say i once saw a few girls writing they were 16 and 17 while they looked like 11 or 12.I was close and saw this becouse it was a public internet place.
You know where the talk could end if they lie about their age and then they continue that talk.
Anyway educate children,parents still exist so they should learn them about these problems.Don't believe anyone on the internet,or don't meet with people that are telling you to meet them at places.It's not that hard to evade this.
Btw for a total win they should tell them not believen anyone IRL ROFL.
Catch the pedophiles who are really causing problems.
Don't abuse the law or make shitty laws that get innocent people.
Even talking with children about interests is already wrong,becouse it goes to getting their trust,at least that is how i heard it in the news.
And what is up with the reporter,the way he expresses himself,truly not a man at all.
Canada sucks.
I feel bad for young children who play Neopets and club penguin. Then again... stupid ass kids.
Laws aren't just like it used to be.... Now they are so general and ambigious they might as well ban breathing, ban eating, ban drinking, ban smoking, ban going to the CR or ejecting waste, ban driving, ban walking, ban standing still, ban existing, and ban banning....
To all the Canadians out there: I pity you.... Move to the Philippines! At least the cost of living is lower! Oh and forget the idea if your a jounalist: it seems to be journalist hunting season here for the politicians....
*five year in the future*
Canadian judges make talking to children illegal: 'Child molesters talk to Children before they molest them.'
To quote Benjamin Franklin here:
'They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.'
A democracy that allows censorship isn't one! Period!
Well guys this is just total bullshit. Should I make sure everyone's over 18 before forming a party on WoW now or something lest risk being V&?
Lol Canada's retarded.
It's ok blizzard doesn't give a shit unless you stop paying ur monthly bill. Ur safe
I give this law a month.
It's so gray, it'll shatter quick. Right now nobody can talk to kids online, plain and simple--soon, when innocent people start getting caught in it, it'll start to get more and more specific. If it doesn't, the people will revolt. That's how it works.
I'd agree with what you are seeing here.
This is just a step towards taking our rights and freedoms away. In the name of protecting the child, they can use the law against other people who don't really agree with what's going on. It might be an useful tool to silence the opposition.
When it comes to 'child protection', everybody agrees to it. However when it comes to blatantly taking our freedoms and rights, we oppose to it. People, wake up! It's another blatant attempt to strip our freedoms away! Vote this fucker out of parliament already! He's done enough damage already!
The best thing to do is ban the underage children itself from the internet.
Internet is for adults only.
Only problem: I don't know how to do it...
yes why ban adults in such a stupid manor,i think they should ban children from it.
Problem solved.
Adults can always say stuff to brats,since they are the adults,soo banning them is logical before bringing adults into such problems.
What if I'm working in a different province and I can't talk to my 12 year old daughter online?
Well, the major number of pedophiles is part of family.
Talk online to your over 18-years-old friend and pray to God for your friend give the information correctly to your family.
Or write a letter.
Next step: Prohibiting adults from having any kind of contact with children. Just empty an entire country, toss them all there, and ship some books so they can learn everything by themselves.
Adults are not needed, since they all are perverts (parents included) and nothing good can come from them.
I wonder if that judge has some Neverland syndrome or something.
Humanity won't disapear by some natural disaster, sudden black holes, meteors, war against aliens or other things like that.
Humanity will kill itself. Because in the end, when everything else human ceases to exist, the only thing left will be stupidity.
I can already see the "Lord of the Flies" becoming a reality...
This whole thing seems like an over reacting knee jerk on part of the law makers. So just talking to young people is against the law. Right.
I guess that makes me a criminal because I play MMOs, and occasionally converse with people under 18. The best part is I had no idea that they weren't 18 until I'd been friends with them for a while. Now I know that this law isn't really talking about MMOs but if they wanted to they could extend it to include them.
I do understand what they are trying to do, but I don't think that this is the way to do it. Besides, you never really know who your talking to on the Internet; and you shouldn't be demonized just for having young friends.
Thats............ pointless.
Sacchan is mai waifu.
How about we ban children from the internet. All they do is post shitty furry porn on DA and post on Gaia.
LOL Once again the government in Canada is being a idiot. Too bad I live in Canada.