Comments on: Apple: Smoking “Biohazard,” Voids Mac Warranties http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/11/23/apple-smoking-biohazard-voids-mac-warranties/ Anime, manga and games, observed from Japan Tue, 14 Feb 2012 16:35:39 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Anonymous http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/11/23/apple-smoking-biohazard-voids-mac-warranties/#comment-569917 Anonymous Fri, 30 Jul 2010 08:37:58 +0000 http://www.sankakucomplex.com/?p=25210#comment-569917 I don't know what the AppleCare T&Cs say, but if it's like any other contract, it probably has a section in it that says that the terms of the contract (the warranty) are subject to change without notice. If at some point Apple deemed cigarettes a hazard then they can do that. It is some nasty stuff (btw, it's called third-hand smoke, the products from tobacco being released in the air from objects exposed to it, like clothing, books, or in this case, computers); someone that I know that I had not spoken with for eight months told me within minutes of his arrival at my house that I had been right about his mom's heavy smoking at the computer prematurely killing it, except in this case it was more of a show than I anticipated (it threw off some sparks). Maybe Apple should update the terms, but I don't think they are at fault because the repairs would not be necessary if it were not for the user's negligent actions. As much as I now hate Apple and find them overbearing, I believe what they did was legal AND smart. If there's one thing Apple is good at, it's setting a precedent. I hope that other companies take this stance. BTW, I am NOT a fanboy, I own ten PCs and only four Macs, two of which are over ten years old. I use both to distinguish myself from other technicians. I don't know what the AppleCare T&Cs say, but if it's like any other contract, it probably has a section in it that says that the terms of the contract (the warranty) are subject to change without notice. If at some point Apple deemed cigarettes a hazard then they can do that. It is some nasty stuff (btw, it's called third-hand smoke, the products from tobacco being released in the air from objects exposed to it, like clothing, books, or in this case, computers); someone that I know that I had not spoken with for eight months told me within minutes of his arrival at my house that I had been right about his mom's heavy smoking at the computer prematurely killing it, except in this case it was more of a show than I anticipated (it threw off some sparks). Maybe Apple should update the terms, but I don't think they are at fault because the repairs would not be necessary if it were not for the user's negligent actions. As much as I now hate Apple and find them overbearing, I believe what they did was legal AND smart. If there's one thing Apple is good at, it's setting a precedent. I hope that other companies take this stance. BTW, I am NOT a fanboy, I own ten PCs and only four Macs, two of which are over ten years old. I use both to distinguish myself from other technicians.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/11/23/apple-smoking-biohazard-voids-mac-warranties/#comment-365314 Anonymous Thu, 26 Nov 2009 03:38:33 +0000 http://www.sankakucomplex.com/?p=25210#comment-365314 It's a cop-out. The whole thing about Apple is an illusion. They are so concerned about marketing the brand and the image. If you make enough noise, eventually they'll pay you off to shut up. A smoker's computer can be really icky, but for the amount that Apple charges for their Macs, the least they could've done was just fix the damned thing. Other manufacturers would've done that no questions asked. I'm not really for smoking, but I certainly hope they sue... It's a cop-out.

The whole thing about Apple is an illusion. They are so concerned about marketing the brand and the image. If you make enough noise, eventually they'll pay you off to shut up.

A smoker's computer can be really icky, but for the amount that Apple charges for their Macs, the least they could've done was just fix the damned thing. Other manufacturers would've done that no questions asked. I'm not really for smoking, but I certainly hope they sue...

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/11/23/apple-smoking-biohazard-voids-mac-warranties/#comment-365156 Anonymous Thu, 26 Nov 2009 00:10:23 +0000 http://www.sankakucomplex.com/?p=25210#comment-365156 smoke cigs? GET A WINDOWS! ... then install ubuntu. smoke cigs? GET A WINDOWS!

... then install ubuntu.

]]> By: Bla7e http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/11/23/apple-smoking-biohazard-voids-mac-warranties/#comment-364171 Bla7e Tue, 24 Nov 2009 22:28:48 +0000 http://www.sankakucomplex.com/?p=25210#comment-364171 Actually that was a typo I made and since it was too late and I already had turned off my pc I never got my ass around it to fix it. But if you insist here you go: PC>Any other laptop company>>>>>>Mac Pleased? xD Actually that was a typo I made and since it was too late and I already had turned off my pc I never got my ass around it to fix it. But if you insist here you go:
PC>Any other laptop company>>>>>>Mac
Pleased? xD

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/11/23/apple-smoking-biohazard-voids-mac-warranties/#comment-364057 Anonymous Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:42:34 +0000 http://www.sankakucomplex.com/?p=25210#comment-364057 Darker than Black. Lung Cancer. That's all I'm gonna say. Darker than Black. Lung Cancer. That's all I'm gonna say.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/11/23/apple-smoking-biohazard-voids-mac-warranties/#comment-363863 Anonymous Tue, 24 Nov 2009 15:25:07 +0000 http://www.sankakucomplex.com/?p=25210#comment-363863 no. Just people with more common sense. Duh. no. Just people with more common sense. Duh.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/11/23/apple-smoking-biohazard-voids-mac-warranties/#comment-363685 Anonymous Tue, 24 Nov 2009 08:04:49 +0000 http://www.sankakucomplex.com/?p=25210#comment-363685 Cigarette smoke leaves dust and tar on computer insides. Dust and tar (and any other kind of gunk, for that matter) are bad for computer parts. Most manufacturers, while not specifically mentioning cigarette smoke, specifically do not cover failures caused by dust or dirt, or anything else that wouldn't be a problem if the computer was cleaned semi-regularly. AppleCare T&Cs don't specifically mention dust (although they probably should) but they do mention that they do not cover "(x) Preventative maintenance on the Covered Equipment" or damage caused by "extreme environment". That would explain why the one poor bastard had to "clean his own Mac" (poor baby) as once it was clean it was probably fine and got repaired without a problem afterwards, while the other one was messed up <i>because of</i> the lung leavings, so that moron was stuck out. They sell those little cans of air for a reason, people. Even Mac users can figure out how to use them... Marking the unit as a "biohazard" is a copout, though. This is why repair places charge to clean computers. Bust out a hospital mask and a shop vac and get some more money out of your customer, Apple... <i>Then</i> tell them it's not covered. If they're stupid enough to not clean their computer and stupid enough to smoke, (and stupid enough to pay an extra few hundred for a silver apple decal and a style-over-substance O/S) thay're stupid enough to cough up a few extra Hamiltons for wasting your time... Morons... Cigarette smoke leaves dust and tar on computer insides. Dust and tar (and any other kind of gunk, for that matter) are bad for computer parts. Most manufacturers, while not specifically mentioning cigarette smoke, specifically do not cover failures caused by dust or dirt, or anything else that wouldn't be a problem if the computer was cleaned semi-regularly. AppleCare T&Cs don't specifically mention dust (although they probably should) but they do mention that they do not cover "(x) Preventative maintenance on the Covered Equipment" or damage caused by "extreme environment". That would explain why the one poor bastard had to "clean his own Mac" (poor baby) as once it was clean it was probably fine and got repaired without a problem afterwards, while the other one was messed up because of the lung leavings, so that moron was stuck out.

They sell those little cans of air for a reason, people. Even Mac users can figure out how to use them...

Marking the unit as a "biohazard" is a copout, though. This is why repair places charge to clean computers. Bust out a hospital mask and a shop vac and get some more money out of your customer, Apple... Then tell them it's not covered. If they're stupid enough to not clean their computer and stupid enough to smoke, (and stupid enough to pay an extra few hundred for a silver apple decal and a style-over-substance O/S) thay're stupid enough to cough up a few extra Hamiltons for wasting your time... Morons...

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/11/23/apple-smoking-biohazard-voids-mac-warranties/#comment-363419 Anonymous Mon, 23 Nov 2009 23:58:41 +0000 http://www.sankakucomplex.com/?p=25210#comment-363419 actully it would be cheaper to just buy the suits then go to court actully it would be cheaper to just buy the suits then go to court

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/11/23/apple-smoking-biohazard-voids-mac-warranties/#comment-363398 Anonymous Mon, 23 Nov 2009 23:31:25 +0000 http://www.sankakucomplex.com/?p=25210#comment-363398 I went to Hp. I put in all your specications plus a video card with 1 gig of ram and I came up with a grand total of.... 1159.98 after a 190 instent rebate Please explain how I'm paying 2000 for this? I went to Hp. I put in all your specications plus a video card with 1 gig of ram and I came up with a grand total of....

1159.98 after a 190 instent rebate

Please explain how I'm paying 2000 for this?

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/11/23/apple-smoking-biohazard-voids-mac-warranties/#comment-363397 Anonymous Mon, 23 Nov 2009 23:31:16 +0000 http://www.sankakucomplex.com/?p=25210#comment-363397 the $1200 iMac only has a 3.06GHz Intel Core 2 Duo, 500GB HDD, and a Nvidia Geforce 9400m (which is an INTEGRATED graphics processor FYI, not a discrete graphics card) the $1200 iMac only has a 3.06GHz Intel Core 2 Duo, 500GB HDD, and a Nvidia Geforce 9400m (which is an INTEGRATED graphics processor FYI, not a discrete graphics card)

]]> By: spectre257 http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/11/23/apple-smoking-biohazard-voids-mac-warranties/#comment-363373 spectre257 Mon, 23 Nov 2009 22:45:11 +0000 http://www.sankakucomplex.com/?p=25210#comment-363373 My god I've delt with PCs and other peripherals that have come from a smoker's house. They're clogged full of crap and gunk that ruin the insides so I'm not really surprised that Apple rejected the claims. Electronic equipment isn't designed to be put in such an environment unless it's specified such as milspec or industrial equipment. My god I've delt with PCs and other peripherals that have come from a smoker's house.
They're clogged full of crap and gunk that ruin the insides so I'm not really surprised that Apple rejected the claims.
Electronic equipment isn't designed to be put in such an environment unless it's specified such as milspec or industrial equipment.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/11/23/apple-smoking-biohazard-voids-mac-warranties/#comment-363307 Anonymous Mon, 23 Nov 2009 21:48:07 +0000 http://www.sankakucomplex.com/?p=25210#comment-363307 Most professional media software runs better on macs, but that's mostly because they have half-assed windows coders (*COUGH* PRO-TOOLS). Most professional media software runs better on macs, but that's mostly because they have half-assed windows coders (*COUGH* PRO-TOOLS).

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/11/23/apple-smoking-biohazard-voids-mac-warranties/#comment-363306 Anonymous Mon, 23 Nov 2009 21:44:35 +0000 http://www.sankakucomplex.com/?p=25210#comment-363306 Parallel? Gee I dunno, the world's fastest supercomputer is a PC. Parallel? Gee I dunno, the world's fastest supercomputer is a PC.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/11/23/apple-smoking-biohazard-voids-mac-warranties/#comment-363302 Anonymous Mon, 23 Nov 2009 21:39:40 +0000 http://www.sankakucomplex.com/?p=25210#comment-363302 I smoke a pack a day next to mine, the vacume cleaner does miracles about twice a year. I smoke a pack a day next to mine, the vacume cleaner does miracles about twice a year.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/11/23/apple-smoking-biohazard-voids-mac-warranties/#comment-363297 Anonymous Mon, 23 Nov 2009 21:32:38 +0000 http://www.sankakucomplex.com/?p=25210#comment-363297 12V you retard. 12V you retard.

]]> By: Table-wanna-be http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/11/23/apple-smoking-biohazard-voids-mac-warranties/#comment-363294 Table-wanna-be Mon, 23 Nov 2009 21:28:55 +0000 http://www.sankakucomplex.com/?p=25210#comment-363294 Next Anti-Smoking PSA: "Every year smoking kills 400,000 people and several hundred Macs." Next Anti-Smoking PSA: "Every year smoking kills 400,000 people and several hundred Macs."

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/11/23/apple-smoking-biohazard-voids-mac-warranties/#comment-363292 Anonymous Mon, 23 Nov 2009 21:24:57 +0000 http://www.sankakucomplex.com/?p=25210#comment-363292 I think a ventilation system in an office that isn't cleaned spotless daily is more hazardous than 'second-hand smoke' in this form. I think a ventilation system in an office that isn't cleaned spotless daily is more hazardous than 'second-hand smoke' in this form.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/11/23/apple-smoking-biohazard-voids-mac-warranties/#comment-363289 Anonymous Mon, 23 Nov 2009 21:14:36 +0000 http://www.sankakucomplex.com/?p=25210#comment-363289 I claim bullshit, my PC desktop optical drives were still working perfectly after being 'contaminated' for years by my heavy smoker self and my harddrives actually never broke or crashed. I also used to think apple laptop hardware was more durable than most consumer brands. They're still pretty retarded though, just because they're refusing to work on something due to these so-called health risks doesn't mean the warranty is voided. Why do these enterprises choose to work by OSHA conduct anyway? It's pretty clear you can't even breathe at work without wearing an anti-radiation suit. I claim bullshit, my PC desktop optical drives were still working perfectly after being 'contaminated' for years by my heavy smoker self and my harddrives actually never broke or crashed.
I also used to think apple laptop hardware was more durable than most consumer brands.
They're still pretty retarded though, just because they're refusing to work on something due to these so-called health risks doesn't mean the warranty is voided.
Why do these enterprises choose to work by OSHA conduct anyway? It's pretty clear you can't even breathe at work without wearing an anti-radiation suit.

]]> By: Min http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/11/23/apple-smoking-biohazard-voids-mac-warranties/#comment-363234 Min Mon, 23 Nov 2009 19:11:29 +0000 http://www.sankakucomplex.com/?p=25210#comment-363234 As somebody who has done computer maintenance for a living in the past, I say: Good for Apple! Computers used by heavy smokers are among the nastiest things I have ever seen. The insides of them are covered with tar and nicotine stains. They smell bad enough to make you vomit and are nearly impossible to clean. I think it's entirely reasonable to not cover computers that have been damaged by cigarette smoke. It's not normal wear and tear, it's a choice that smokers make that damages their equipment. As somebody who has done computer maintenance for a living in the past, I say: Good for Apple!

Computers used by heavy smokers are among the nastiest things I have ever seen. The insides of them are covered with tar and nicotine stains. They smell bad enough to make you vomit and are nearly impossible to clean. I think it's entirely reasonable to not cover computers that have been damaged by cigarette smoke. It's not normal wear and tear, it's a choice that smokers make that damages their equipment.

]]> By: Darkrockslizer http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/11/23/apple-smoking-biohazard-voids-mac-warranties/#comment-363184 Darkrockslizer Mon, 23 Nov 2009 18:03:14 +0000 http://www.sankakucomplex.com/?p=25210#comment-363184 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLiyglcRcCA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLiyglcRcCA

]]> By: acce245 http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/11/23/apple-smoking-biohazard-voids-mac-warranties/#comment-363168 acce245 Mon, 23 Nov 2009 17:51:42 +0000 http://www.sankakucomplex.com/?p=25210#comment-363168 If I were mac (or any good computer company, for that matter), wouldn't I take the stance that the use of a computer in a dirty environment would be a void of the warranty? The biohazard is going a bit far, but certainly smoking around a computer is as bad as having it in a dusty environment any day. On the plus side, shop dust doesn't have tar to gum up bearings on fans and other parts.... If I were mac (or any good computer company, for that matter), wouldn't I take the stance that the use of a computer in a dirty environment would be a void of the warranty? The biohazard is going a bit far, but certainly smoking around a computer is as bad as having it in a dusty environment any day. On the plus side, shop dust doesn't have tar to gum up bearings on fans and other parts....

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/11/23/apple-smoking-biohazard-voids-mac-warranties/#comment-363163 Anonymous Mon, 23 Nov 2009 17:45:25 +0000 http://www.sankakucomplex.com/?p=25210#comment-363163 Smoking is bad for computers, period! I've seen computers complete clogged from smoke tar, I've even seen some that has mold building on it. As far I am considered, that is the same as liquid damage, in other words, not covered. yes, it is GROSS! Smoking is bad for computers, period! I've seen computers complete clogged from smoke tar, I've even seen some that has mold building on it. As far I am considered, that is the same as liquid damage, in other words, not covered. yes, it is GROSS!

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/11/23/apple-smoking-biohazard-voids-mac-warranties/#comment-363143 Anonymous Mon, 23 Nov 2009 17:23:55 +0000 http://www.sankakucomplex.com/?p=25210#comment-363143 Yo dawg, I heard you like macs so we put only one pedal on your car. Yo dawg, I heard you like macs so we put only one pedal on your car.

]]> By: Coolham23 http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/11/23/apple-smoking-biohazard-voids-mac-warranties/#comment-363140 Coolham23 Mon, 23 Nov 2009 17:21:57 +0000 http://www.sankakucomplex.com/?p=25210#comment-363140 Where I am Macs seem to cost several times more than any PC for sale. Even if you can now boot other OS's without special software it doesn't change the fact that you cannot add extra PCI cards or add extra DVD drives (internal). Larger parts that could potentially give your computer more ports, and abilities (Tv tuner, NB card support, etc) are also limited to the parts that fit your specific Mac. I will acknowledge the ability to boot other OS' but the lack of options and high price are what keep me away the most, even this article also proves it has bad support. And even if it is cheaper elsewhere, building a PC with decent specs is now possible for a $400 (and sometimes smaller) budget. Overall, Macs are best for those who need a more basic interface, and have no need for the extra options. - Coolham23 - Where I am Macs seem to cost several times more than any PC for sale. Even if you can now boot other OS's without special software it doesn't change the fact that you cannot add extra PCI cards or add extra DVD drives (internal). Larger parts that could potentially give your computer more ports, and abilities (Tv tuner, NB card support, etc) are also limited to the parts that fit your specific Mac.
I will acknowledge the ability to boot other OS' but the lack of options and high price are what keep me away the most, even this article also proves it has bad support. And even if it is cheaper elsewhere, building a PC with decent specs is now possible for a $400 (and sometimes smaller) budget. Overall, Macs are best for those who need a more basic interface, and have no need for the extra options.
- Coolham23 -

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