Comments on: Lawsuit: “Microsoft Timed Ban Spree to Maximise Profits” http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/11/22/lawsuit-microsoft-timed-ban-spree-to-maximise-profits/ Anime, manga and games, observed from Japan Tue, 14 Feb 2012 14:33:39 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Anonymous http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/11/22/lawsuit-microsoft-timed-ban-spree-to-maximise-profits/#comment-427729 Anonymous Sun, 07 Feb 2010 03:07:53 +0000 http://www.sankakucomplex.com/?p=25193#comment-427729 But this IS about M$ effectively DESTROYING THE CONSUMER'S PROPERTY. Hardware is not covered by an EULA, numerous cases have shown this. Did everyone take moron pills and skip the part where it directly stated that Microsoft was, effectively, destroying the consoles? If it was a simple XBLA ban, no one would be pitching a fit. But, Microsoft is DESTROYING BASIC CONSOLE FUNCTIONALITY. But this IS about M$ effectively DESTROYING THE CONSUMER'S PROPERTY. Hardware is not covered by an EULA, numerous cases have shown this. Did everyone take moron pills and skip the part where it directly stated that Microsoft was, effectively, destroying the consoles? If it was a simple XBLA ban, no one would be pitching a fit. But, Microsoft is DESTROYING BASIC CONSOLE FUNCTIONALITY.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/11/22/lawsuit-microsoft-timed-ban-spree-to-maximise-profits/#comment-427722 Anonymous Sun, 07 Feb 2010 03:03:32 +0000 http://www.sankakucomplex.com/?p=25193#comment-427722 Voiding a warranty is NOT piracy you raging idiot. Voiding a warranty is NOT piracy you raging idiot.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/11/22/lawsuit-microsoft-timed-ban-spree-to-maximise-profits/#comment-365328 Anonymous Thu, 26 Nov 2009 03:56:24 +0000 http://www.sankakucomplex.com/?p=25193#comment-365328 They do. What about systems that were bought with that firmware already loaded? Those would already have those functions "built-in". Also, you can't connect to a Windows Media Extender, so that has nothing to do with XBL, either. The fact is, they deleted information that was already on people's unit without permission and that's the part that's illegal. They do.

What about systems that were bought with that firmware already loaded? Those would already have those functions "built-in". Also, you can't connect to a Windows Media Extender, so that has nothing to do with XBL, either.

The fact is, they deleted information that was already on people's unit without permission and that's the part that's illegal.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/11/22/lawsuit-microsoft-timed-ban-spree-to-maximise-profits/#comment-365325 Anonymous Thu, 26 Nov 2009 03:51:58 +0000 http://www.sankakucomplex.com/?p=25193#comment-365325 M$ is boned. They went one step too far and should've quit while they were ahead. Legally, they can ban you from their online system and cancel your Live membership. However, it is illegal for them to go into your system and sabotage it and destroy/reduce its functionality (they delete your system keys). It's effectively like formatting your HDD for having a pirated Windows, except in this case it makes the HARDWARE stop working and you can't really reinstall it (unless you're a hax0r). M$ is boned. They went one step too far and should've quit while they were ahead.

Legally, they can ban you from their online system and cancel your Live membership. However, it is illegal for them to go into your system and sabotage it and destroy/reduce its functionality (they delete your system keys). It's effectively like formatting your HDD for having a pirated Windows, except in this case it makes the HARDWARE stop working and you can't really reinstall it (unless you're a hax0r).

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/11/22/lawsuit-microsoft-timed-ban-spree-to-maximise-profits/#comment-365042 Anonymous Wed, 25 Nov 2009 21:41:57 +0000 http://www.sankakucomplex.com/?p=25193#comment-365042 Ah, they're just paranoid. I fail to see Microsoft as intentionally wanting to ruin people's lives. Mysterious Voice: "I can't wait to see your comment rated down. We're not paranoid; you're naive." Ah, they're just paranoid. I fail to see Microsoft as intentionally wanting to ruin people's lives.

Mysterious Voice: "I can't wait to see your comment rated down. We're not paranoid; you're naive."

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/11/22/lawsuit-microsoft-timed-ban-spree-to-maximise-profits/#comment-364960 Anonymous Wed, 25 Nov 2009 19:26:46 +0000 http://www.sankakucomplex.com/?p=25193#comment-364960 Oh I surely hope you never streamed or downloaded any media when you say that... Oh I surely hope you never streamed or downloaded any media when you say that...

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/11/22/lawsuit-microsoft-timed-ban-spree-to-maximise-profits/#comment-364959 Anonymous Wed, 25 Nov 2009 19:24:20 +0000 http://www.sankakucomplex.com/?p=25193#comment-364959 Couldn't agree more. Fanboyism on either side is pathetic. I just don't understand how double standards are accepted among some gamers. It's wrong to pirate games, but it's fine for music and other media? As you you said Microsoft is a business. Their methods of dealing with things may suck but any business will take whatever oppurtunity to up a profit. People shouldn't complain, well chronically, when they are shafted doing something they shouldn't either. Couldn't agree more. Fanboyism on either side is pathetic. I just don't understand how double standards are accepted among some gamers. It's wrong to pirate games, but it's fine for music and other media? As you you said Microsoft is a business. Their methods of dealing with things may suck but any business will take whatever oppurtunity to up a profit. People shouldn't complain, well chronically, when they are shafted doing something they shouldn't either.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/11/22/lawsuit-microsoft-timed-ban-spree-to-maximise-profits/#comment-364918 Anonymous Wed, 25 Nov 2009 17:51:26 +0000 http://www.sankakucomplex.com/?p=25193#comment-364918 Of course Microsoft does everything with the goal of getting more money. They're a business, that's what they're supposed to do. Of course Microsoft does everything with the goal of getting more money. They're a business, that's what they're supposed to do.

]]> By: Pandemonia http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/11/22/lawsuit-microsoft-timed-ban-spree-to-maximise-profits/#comment-364131 Pandemonia Tue, 24 Nov 2009 21:37:43 +0000 http://www.sankakucomplex.com/?p=25193#comment-364131 Timmy is Australian... so L4D2 is fine, no? What he REALLY wanted was an N64 with Hey You, Pikachu... but that was never released outside japan, so L4D2 it is. Timmy is Australian... so L4D2 is fine, no?

What he REALLY wanted was an N64 with Hey You, Pikachu... but that was never released outside japan, so L4D2 it is.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/11/22/lawsuit-microsoft-timed-ban-spree-to-maximise-profits/#comment-363812 Anonymous Tue, 24 Nov 2009 13:09:48 +0000 http://www.sankakucomplex.com/?p=25193#comment-363812 Told you you couldn't trust M$. Told you you couldn't trust M$.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/11/22/lawsuit-microsoft-timed-ban-spree-to-maximise-profits/#comment-363563 Anonymous Tue, 24 Nov 2009 04:13:38 +0000 http://www.sankakucomplex.com/?p=25193#comment-363563 A business trying to maximize profits? ...THOSE BASTARDS! A business trying to maximize profits?

...THOSE BASTARDS!

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/11/22/lawsuit-microsoft-timed-ban-spree-to-maximise-profits/#comment-363531 Anonymous Tue, 24 Nov 2009 03:14:16 +0000 http://www.sankakucomplex.com/?p=25193#comment-363531 Their only obligated to give a terms of service agreement. They forfeit their subscription by engaging in illegal activities. Pirating is illegal. MS can easily counter sue all the individuals that present the case, for up to 100,000 a piece. If they bring the law in an additional jail time can be added up to 10 years. So honestly who ever is doing this stuff is a moron. In addition there is nothing preventing MS from doing the banning at any time they want as it's in the TOS. I'd like to see a couple of the guys go to jail for stupidity and the lawlz. Their only obligated to give a terms of service agreement. They forfeit their subscription by engaging in illegal activities. Pirating is illegal. MS can easily counter sue all the individuals that present the case, for up to 100,000 a piece. If they bring the law in an additional jail time can be added up to 10 years.

So honestly who ever is doing this stuff is a moron.

In addition there is nothing preventing MS from doing the banning at any time they want as it's in the TOS.

I'd like to see a couple of the guys go to jail for stupidity and the lawlz.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/11/22/lawsuit-microsoft-timed-ban-spree-to-maximise-profits/#comment-363496 Anonymous Tue, 24 Nov 2009 02:08:26 +0000 http://www.sankakucomplex.com/?p=25193#comment-363496 Nice way to both miss the other points, and fail at math. Lets say, hypotetically, users banned don't ever log back in. They somehow manage to cancel their subscriptions, but probably loose a full month. It's,like you said, only 8 bucks, no bid deal. But, with 600k banned people, that amounts to 4.8 million for MS, that they get for a service they aren't providing. All hypotetical, of course. Say what you want, but if you are gonna ban hundreds of thousands, give a freaking warning. And I don't mean the Terms of Service, I mean a warning people will actually look at and take seriously. Sure, they SHOULD read the ToS, but you can't tell me sending an ultimatum wouldn't have diminished the amounts of bans substantially. Nice way to both miss the other points, and fail at math. Lets say, hypotetically, users banned don't ever log back in. They somehow manage to cancel their subscriptions, but probably loose a full month. It's,like you said, only 8 bucks, no bid deal. But, with 600k banned people, that amounts to 4.8 million for MS, that they get for a service they aren't providing. All hypotetical, of course.

Say what you want, but if you are gonna ban hundreds of thousands, give a freaking warning. And I don't mean the Terms of Service, I mean a warning people will actually look at and take seriously. Sure, they SHOULD read the ToS, but you can't tell me sending an ultimatum wouldn't have diminished the amounts of bans substantially.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/11/22/lawsuit-microsoft-timed-ban-spree-to-maximise-profits/#comment-363435 Anonymous Tue, 24 Nov 2009 00:18:49 +0000 http://www.sankakucomplex.com/?p=25193#comment-363435 the problem isn't just pirates, also cheaters. and i for one applaud them. it's not fun to play when someone else breaks the rules to win. the problem isn't just pirates, also cheaters. and i for one applaud them. it's not fun to play when someone else breaks the rules to win.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/11/22/lawsuit-microsoft-timed-ban-spree-to-maximise-profits/#comment-363266 Anonymous Mon, 23 Nov 2009 20:29:03 +0000 http://www.sankakucomplex.com/?p=25193#comment-363266 Interesting that Microsoft would take this stance when the company's original fortune was amassed based on piracy, theft and duplicity. Interesting that Microsoft would take this stance when the company's original fortune was amassed based on piracy, theft and duplicity.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/11/22/lawsuit-microsoft-timed-ban-spree-to-maximise-profits/#comment-363125 Anonymous Mon, 23 Nov 2009 17:09:24 +0000 http://www.sankakucomplex.com/?p=25193#comment-363125 Microsoft are a different type of pirate. But pirates nonetheless. The only difference is that Microsoft have suits and money. Microsoft are a different type of pirate. But pirates nonetheless. The only difference is that Microsoft have suits and money.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/11/22/lawsuit-microsoft-timed-ban-spree-to-maximise-profits/#comment-363065 Anonymous Mon, 23 Nov 2009 15:39:00 +0000 http://www.sankakucomplex.com/?p=25193#comment-363065 Yes you can do anything on the hardware side, but not the software. They didn't sell you the software, they LICENSE the software for you to use, so no modding. In case you didn't get it yet, modifying XBOX involve rewriting the DVD firmware and firmware=software Yes you can do anything on the hardware side, but not the software. They didn't sell you the software, they LICENSE the software for you to use, so no modding.

In case you didn't get it yet, modifying XBOX involve rewriting the DVD firmware and firmware=software

]]> By: ChaosAngelZero http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/11/22/lawsuit-microsoft-timed-ban-spree-to-maximise-profits/#comment-363060 ChaosAngelZero Mon, 23 Nov 2009 15:28:28 +0000 http://www.sankakucomplex.com/?p=25193#comment-363060 I repeat because it's pretty evident I wasn't clear enough the first time: it's <i><b>YOUR illegally</b> modded</i> console, and you payed for accessing Microsoft's Live services (voiding your contract with Microsoft which you agreed to abide through their terms of use). Do. Not. Start. Crying. When. You. Get. Caught. Like a perfect dumbass. Period. BTW, you genius, the only way to run a pirated copy is <i>by modding the console itself</i>. Do you understand now why they proceed like this? I repeat because it's pretty evident I wasn't clear enough the first time: it's YOUR illegally modded console, and you payed for accessing Microsoft's Live services (voiding your contract with Microsoft which you agreed to abide through their terms of use).

Do. Not. Start. Crying. When. You. Get. Caught. Like a perfect dumbass.

Period.

BTW, you genius, the only way to run a pirated copy is by modding the console itself. Do you understand now why they proceed like this?

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/11/22/lawsuit-microsoft-timed-ban-spree-to-maximise-profits/#comment-362955 Anonymous Mon, 23 Nov 2009 11:03:53 +0000 http://www.sankakucomplex.com/?p=25193#comment-362955 If they cannot afford it, they will find another way to get it. Its one of the rules of the market. Welcome to capitalism! If they cannot afford it, they will find another way to get it. Its one of the rules of the market. Welcome to capitalism!

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/11/22/lawsuit-microsoft-timed-ban-spree-to-maximise-profits/#comment-362953 Anonymous Mon, 23 Nov 2009 10:56:59 +0000 http://www.sankakucomplex.com/?p=25193#comment-362953 For modding THEIR consoles? For modding THEIR consoles?

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/11/22/lawsuit-microsoft-timed-ban-spree-to-maximise-profits/#comment-362949 Anonymous Mon, 23 Nov 2009 10:33:57 +0000 http://www.sankakucomplex.com/?p=25193#comment-362949 Legal != Good. Legal != Good.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/11/22/lawsuit-microsoft-timed-ban-spree-to-maximise-profits/#comment-362943 Anonymous Mon, 23 Nov 2009 10:10:39 +0000 http://www.sankakucomplex.com/?p=25193#comment-362943 How´s that have something to do with the Hard Disk issue? You lost me. How´s that have something to do with the Hard Disk issue? You lost me.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/11/22/lawsuit-microsoft-timed-ban-spree-to-maximise-profits/#comment-362940 Anonymous Mon, 23 Nov 2009 10:06:40 +0000 http://www.sankakucomplex.com/?p=25193#comment-362940 Illegaly mod... LOL! Illegaly mod... LOL!

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/11/22/lawsuit-microsoft-timed-ban-spree-to-maximise-profits/#comment-362938 Anonymous Mon, 23 Nov 2009 10:02:01 +0000 http://www.sankakucomplex.com/?p=25193#comment-362938 Nah, thats impossible because: a) Microsoft is too lazy to do that. b) They´re scared to piss of the Chinese and the Russian. We dont want another cold war, specially a one that we gonna lose, isnt? Nah, thats impossible because:

a) Microsoft is too lazy to do that.

b) They´re scared to piss of the Chinese and the Russian. We dont want another cold war, specially a one that we gonna lose, isnt?

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