Vaginal Plastic Surgery “Female Circumcision”
- Categories: International, News
- Date: Nov 14, 2009 04:27 JST
- Tags: AV, Feminism, Guro, Marketing, Medical, Plastic Surgery, UK
The increasingly popular practice of surgically reshaping the female genitalia in order to create the “perfect vagina” has come under sharp criticism by medical experts, who claim the practice is akin to female genital mutilation and has little medical necessity.
The procedure, known as labioplasty, usually involves surgically reshaping or cutting off parts of the labia minora/majora, the folds of skin surrounding the vagina.
Reportedly most operations are undertaken for aesthetic reasons, but medical reasons include discomfort caused by an excessively overdeveloped labia, with costs in the region of $5,000. Possible complications include loss of sensation, scarring, and the usual risks of infection and botched operations.
A variety of studies have criticised the practice, with the latest research published by the British Journal of Obstetrics and Gynaecology damning the procedure as largely unnecessary and poorly understood.
The study criticised the procedure as being an unnecessary one with demand fuelled by plastic surgeons’ own advertising, and questioned the underlying notion that there is a “correct” aesthetic for the vagina:
“Advertisements promote labial surgery as easy answers to women’s insecurities about their genital appearances – insecurities that are fuelled by the very advertisements that prescribe a homogenised, pre-pubescent genital appearance standard for all women.”
Such “standards of beauty” for something so intimate as the female vagina are, particularly in the relatively modest nations of Europe and America, likely to be based almost exclusively on the genital appearance of performers in pornography, hardly providing a broad cross-section of female anatomical variation.
The fact that many of these performers have actually had the surgery further increases the risk that an unrealistic aesthetic is being promoted as desirable.
They also questioned the medical justification for such surgery, saying supposed pain from a protruding labia may well be psychosomatic, and pointing out that male genitalia has similar sensitivity whilst protruding far further – in such cases therapy might be more effective, they say.
The researchers even go so far as to note certain similarities between labioplasty and female genital mutilation, where the labia and/or clitoris are cut off, a practice endemic in certain Islamic nations, saying the procedure may permanently damage sexual sensitivity and cause complications in childbirth.
The study concludes by questioning the wisdom of cutting off the most sensitive parts of the female body for purely cosmetic reasons:
“Labial surgery needs to be rigorously evaluated in future, and for longer term.
Furthermore, quality research is needed to improve our understanding of the psychological drivers behind women’s decision to sacrifice sexually sensitive tissue that contributes to erotic experiences, for a certain genital appearance that used to be an obligation only for some glamour models.”
Just how many women are undergoing such surgery is not known, but numbers are thought to be increasing “exponentially.”
Naturally, plastic surgeons offering the procedure insist there are no possible long-term problems worth “terrorising” customers over, and everyone can now enjoy an “elegant” labia:
“They’ve gone a bit over the top. Essentially this is just about removing a bit of loose flesh, leaving behind an elegant-looking labia with minimum scarring. The procedure won’t interfere with sexual function.
Women want this for a number of reasons – some find it uncomfortable to ride a bike for instance, but for the majority it is aesthetic, that’s true.
Lads’ mags are looked at by girlfriends, and make them think more about the way they look. We live in times where we are much more open about our bodies – and changing them – and labioplasty is simply a part of this.”
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And at the same they're trying to abolish such practices in the 3rd world countries, hypocrite moralfags.
im pretty sure the only type of girls that do this has either had way way too many sex with dude that have big dicks or they're into BDSM
when will guys get that labia grow large naturally? Virgins with no dildo contact can have huge ones. Why do you think they get surgery? Because people tell them girls with large labia are sluts and loose and no one likes them even when they didn't do anything. They don't want their first boyfriend or any boyfriend to think that and they cut it.
Any guy that thinks that hasn't had sex. It's not how loose a vagina looks--it's how tight it feels INSIDE that counts.
One is voluntary, the other is not. "fag"
^ this comment is also somewhat misleading.
The vagina is a muscle, not a shoe. I mean, the skin can stretch to the size needed for a baby, and then shrink back naturally. It's not like they have a bowling-ball sized opening in their pelvis for the rest of their life.
Actually, after giving birth, the vagina never goes back to looking the same. Source: My mother has had 10 kids.
There's a difference between spewing out kids like a Pez dispenser, and keeping in shape.
Plenty of women with 1, 2 3 or even 4 kids who take care of themselves still look and probably feel great..
Don't blame us because your mother's got a vagoo the size of a hallway..
I like dem cute smooth pussies so I'm all for it.
Remember, kids, vaginas aren't clown cars.
Nothing beat NATURAL VIRGIN VAGINA, tight, soft, warm and juicy!!!!!
To everyone that thinks that the vagina cannot be as tight or tighter than it was pre-childbirth after giving birth. I advise you go find out out about the current world's strongest vagina.
For me it's nothing to do with looking like a slut. It's just that "innie" vaginas a more visually appealing than "outie" vaginas. And more pleasant to perform oral sex on.
I think I've missed quite why the medical professionals are so upset. It's only because it's genitalia that they're kicking up so much fuss. It's just removing/trimming excess, unnecessary stuff to make it look nicer. Like shaving, just more permanent and requires surgery.
"Actually, after giving birth, the vagina never goes back to looking the same. Source: My mother has had 10 kids."
WHY DO YOU KNOW?????
CAN'T UNREAD!!!!
ill say this now - i havent has actual sex before... but from the pron ive seen, i see "whithered" looking pussies like this
http://www.penissizedebate.com/page49b_more_big_pussy_lips.htm
and then there's this kind
http://www.nuhunter.com/images/posts/m/87-perfect-pussy.jpg
and this:
http://www.sweet-nicole.com/may07/mirror/nicole_graves6.jpg
and this:
http://www.thepornmustflow.com/hosted/spunky/cravingcarmen/blackmesh.jpg
the latter few seem to be the blueprint anime tend to use to get the cleaner and easier to draw look that anime likes so much... you can guess which kind i find more appealing. still, its not like that when im with a woman ill ever be staring at her crotch (anime tells me they find that embarrasing LOL), so in the end it matters to me very little. im actually surprised many women care what men think about how they look down there, our eyes arent actually in our dicks obviously. maybe theyre hoping guys would be more likely to go down on them by making it look more inviting? Still, one side they say they hate sluts and what to not look slutty at all, on the other side they think they need to looks and act slutty to be actractive to men by sneaking a pic at their fap material o_O (they should peak at my fap material, id like to see a 3D girl turn herself 2D, like Mr. Game and Watch or something) they hate not only porn stars but even sexy internet/magazine models, yet they love mariah carey and pussycat dolls who basically dress and act like those "sluts" do. paradoxes and hypocracies gallore.
but i really dont think there's enough information out there on how different pussies look and should look, a lot of people just watch porn and make their own assumptions. ill tell you now, i have no idea which kind is fake, which is just worn from too much fucking, which is "untouched", which is just poor surgery...
And so, they called her "Princess meat curtains" no more. The end.
A lot of guys are turned off by labia that large. They know that it is natural, idiots.... they just DO NOT LIKE IT and do not feel that their women should have them like that.
Also, it is not natural to have labia that 'hang down' like 'meat curtains'. I have seen 40 year olds who have had NO surgery, have had sex with oodles of big dicked men, yet don't have that.
It's not natural, it is something make the women's labia overgrow.... maybe the fact that she isn't getting doinked enough.
I've only seen the 'meat curtains' in 'moral' women who don't have sex outside of marriage or women who have had STD's.
What a idiot you are. Why are there so different noses, mouths, ears, chins, hands, eyes, legs, feet... and so on forever.
Why should a pussy and vagina always look the same on every woman? what right do you have to say that?
I like many kinds of pussies, but i prefer definitely large, long lipped, voluptuous ones. And i think most men( and i man men) do, it`s only shyness and peer pressure what makes them to keep silent instead of admitting it clearly.
I have had my best sex with large pussied girls, and believe me, there has been many! I still love all of them!
I meant to say in parenthesis: and i mean men.
"It's not natural, it is something make the women's labia overgrow.... maybe the fact that she isn't getting doinked enough."
Large labias are usually a sign of a lot of estrogen.
And the size of the outer/inner labias has less to do with (normal) sex habits, and a hell of a lot more to do with genes.
Meaning that teenage virgins who never have touched their genitals can have hueg "meat curtains", and that they probably inhereted it from their mothers. Same as with guys: dudes with a fuckton of excessive foreskin often have dads that look the same, and dudes with so little foreskin naturally that they look cut often have dads that look the same.
Genitals are only yet another body part. If a guy has a weird looking natural nose, chances are he got it from one of his parents.
Texas Dude:
No, it has nothing to do with how much sex a girl has.
Some girls/women are simply born with bigger lips than others. Just like some guys are born with smaller dicks than others.
I prefer to not have large lips visually sometimes, but I have fun either way. When having sex with larger lips, it may give more feeling to your dick as you do the IN-OUT.
Women can't choose how their lips are going to form just as much they can't choose how big their breasts will get.
There is a difference between forcing people to do something and them choosing it voluntarily.
And how about penis circumcision? Most of the boys have that thing done at young age and can't choose for themselves, and we're somehow ok with that huh.
Non-religious circumcision was a medical fad. It was supposedly done to promote cleanliness.
I fortunately missed the fad. My brother was about three or four when the wave hit, and on medical advice, my parents had it done to him.
I remember him screaming and bawling every time he took a piss - shudder. That lasted three or four months.
Years later my mom said that if she'd known it was going to cause such extensive post-surgery pain, she'd never have had it done.
"Trust me, I'm a GOD^H^H^Hdoctor."
If my brother wasn't so good-natured, he'd probably have tracked down that doctor and had a little wager.
"Hey, doc, I'll bet ten bucks you can't put your hands on the bar and keep your mouth closed at the same time."
(Doc puts his hands on the bar, then opens his mouth and screams after an inch-and-a-half diameter piece of steel stock slams down on his knuckles and fingers, breaking many of them.)
"By the way, doc, 'You may experience some mild discomfort'. And you owe me ten bucks."
So how come we're ok with jews circumsising penises?
Because male circumcision actually has some damn use.
Nothing personal, bit you're a bit dumb if you can see the difference between an long standing religious tradition for Jewish men and a new cosmetic surgery for women.
"can't" and I fail sigh.
Reread your facts: medical science has proven that there's NO need for circumcision since we have running water and the ability to bathe, not that people do it.
Circumcised men are something like 3 times more likely to get STDs as well, which was a bit of an odd discovery. There's a huge moralfag push to stop the process of male circumcision as well.
Women wanting to look pre-pubescent is due to men wanting lolis more and more. Shaving is just another step on that totem. I suppose we should moralfag to stop female shaving, too?
Let people do what they want with their bodies and stop being a douche.
There is no difference, except these women do it out of free will, where cutting babies is mutilation. Ofc there are medical reasons for circumcision, but they mostly appear in the early teens.
In third-world countries there are benefits of hygiene and STD-prevention as well.
And this isn't full female circumcision. That would be remove the clitoris.
Cutting a Child's genitals is mutilation. Having it done of your own volition, as an adult is fine.
And btw, circumcision has little medical function in the modern world. It is purely cosmetic.
It's just as clean unless you're the type that only washed his cock once a week.
Having a foreskin makes you slightly more likely to contract an STD from unprotected sex, but makes no difference if you wear a condom.
But, I will admit that cutting off the clitoris is more severe.
Actually, foreskins protect you from STDs- As long as you actually wash properly.
And no, cutting off the clitoris is like cutting off the head of a penis. it's just mutilation.
Most studies have shown that Male Circumcision reduces the chances of catching an STD by somewhere between 30-60% depending on the STD. As well as reducing the chances for urinary track infection in infants.
The reason for this is because the skin on the underside of the foreskin is thinner and more sensitive to outside attack than the rest of the penis.
Of course there are also the cultural reasons as well as hygiene (which is less of an issue in today's first world countries).
While it may cause some minor loss of sensation the glans due to the constant stimulation it receives, it is not enough of an issue to cause one to not under go the procedure.
There are very few risks associated with male circumcision, most of which are infection or scaring, however those are very rare.
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The more you know.
foreskin does give a slightly increased protection against most STD's except for HIV. In case of HIV its the opposite, foreskin give a slightly increased risk of HIV infection. This is due to foreskin functioning like a kind of a buffer against pathogens so the immune system can more easily combat the collected pathogens in the foreskin, but because HIV targets white blood cell directly foreskins are advantages for HIV.
But leaving the foreskin or circumcising is a inadequate measure against STD's anyway so it negates the argument.
[citation needed]
And the reason that men are wanting loli's more and more is because after the age of 25, a lot of women let themselves go if they are married.
I'm not kidding there, my own mother did that (though part of it I have to blame on my father's eating habits and our family having a history of using food to console ourselves).
Genital mutilation is NOT the same as this plastic surgery. Real female circumcision would be a minor trim of the hood of the clitoris, nothing more. But female "circumcision" is often chopping OFF the clitoris (note, this is the same as chopping off your penis), either one or both pairs of labia lips, and then stitch the whole gaping wound together, leaving only a tiiiny hole to urinate from. When a girl gets married, they cut her open so that her husband can actually shove his penis in.
There are of course less thorough versions, but they are all genital mutilation.
Here's a handy conversion chart for any needs so that you can better relate:
Penis ==> clitoris
Foreskin ==> clitoral hood
Scrotal sack (without the testicles) ==> labias
Testicles ==> ovaries
If you want any more, just look up foetal developement and where/how the genders diverge in developement.
Random amusing fact: females can get blue-balled too. Apparently it's sometimes called getting "pink-ovaried", or "blue-ovaried".
What they're trying to ban in 3rd world countries is true female mutilation. There is really nothing wrong with this type of surgery if she chooses to go with it. Why isn't plastic surgery in general getting such a huge negative ho-hah? Just your usual moralfag.
True. There is a difference between being forced to have your clit cut off (something that deadens sexual sensation for a woman for life, and is FORCED on most females when they are too young to fight back against it with any reasonable amount of success because their WHOLE FAMILIES WANT IT DONE!) and this surgery.
3rd world countries do CLITORIS mutilation, it's absolutely not the same as labial modification...
Labial surgery = circumcision, not necessary but if they want to.
clitoris ablation = glans ablation, just butchering someone (and it's made on girl before puberty)
Do you see a difference moron ?
I think there's a major difference, between mutilating a vagina in some villiage to keep her from "wandering" to other men...and surgically removing bits and pieces so your vagina looks more desireable. Do I find it ridiculous? Yes. Do I think of it as "female circumcision"? No.
I don't think that it's any more 'ridiculous' than having a tummy-tuck or botox. It's just someone trying to use the newfound medical knowledge to look their best, and are usually paying for out of their own pocket.
If it makes everyone look like lolis, I'm fine with this.
lol...
Die, asshole.
rate this poster up
up up
Fuckin' freak.
What's wrong with lolis? Oh wait this is 3D we're talking about, never mind.....ugh
Got to agree with you there...... the world would be much better off if women looked like loli's throughout their whole lives.... and men looked like they were, at most, 40 throughout their whole lives.
This is disgusting. I'd never remove any part of my vagina...makes me shudder to think about.
I'm also against circumcision before anyone says anything...we're natural this way, and we should stay natural.
Do you wear makeup?
Durr this was meant to be an answer over there ^
What the heck, it showed this at the bottom for a sec... Bugs?
The comment system does that from time to time. Sometimes it will leave the comment down at the bottom and not move it up to its correct place.
Although I am for natural myself...you do realize that circumcisions are for hygienic purpose with no bad effects attached to it.
Except for reported loss of penile sensitivity... Other then that yeah, no bad effects <_<
Actually, there is no reported loss in men who were circumcised AFTER the age of 18. None at all, which makes you think that the 'reported loss' in children and teenagers is a big 'red herring' to try and make circumcision illegal.
Not that I am for it by any means however, unless there is a health problem like a 'too tight' foreskin that doesn't 'slide back' like it is supposed to during intercourse.
Had that problem myself, and the doctor instead of recommending a circumcision, had me put some light weights on my foreskin to 'stretch it'... which worked MARVELOUSLY, but took about a month to fix the problem.
"Hygienic", eh?
Circumcision is all about making guys not touch their dicks. After all, learning how to clean it properly might teach you how to masturbate.
Circumcision causes a resentment for the penis and sexuality instead of a greater understanding of one's own sexuality. And this in turn drives men into becoming gang rapists.
I call BS. I am circumcised and, believe me, I didn't had any trouble learning to masturbate as a kid nor do I have the least of problems during sex.
Your comment is pure FUD, sir.
While I do agree the benefits are uncertain, there is a lot of bs going around too.
One certain benefit beyond hygiene problems is in certain cases where the foreskin grows uneven or where the foreskin doesn't detach properly from the tip as the kid grows. Both can be rather painful in some cases as you might imagine. However, cases like these are also rare I believe.
ahh yes, because as we all know Jewish men are the world's foremost rapists amirite?
This is amateur community-college-level women's studies psychology bullshit.
GB/2 a real school.
The concept of water and soap is difficult I see...
I could understand this reasoning for developing countries, but not for the developed...
@ Keigami
Ah my bad, I forgot those instances where people mistook a legit medical practitioner for a butcher.
@ anon 05:46
Ever tried to find a life outside the cult?
Actually it is not really hygienic since the outer labia is made to protect the inner one from "outside" bakteria. That is also the reason why it grows.
Hello ?
that comment was about male circumcision.
Yeah, that's why males have foreskin to protect their penis heads. The only reason you circumcise is because of the inability to provide proper hygiene care for your private parts - mostly in third world or underdeveloped countries. But, why do it outside of those reasons in the modern developed countries?
Actually it both exists for the same reason and is made from the same thing when still being a emryo so it is the same as the labia.
protip on your terms: the vagina is internal.
Labia is external
THANK YOU!
The vulva (outer & inner labia, clitoris, etc) IS NOT the vagina, any more than your lips & teeth are your throat.
But I want them to be my throat ;___;
Same thing for breasts, noses, hair, fat, and make-up...right?
Seems like plain and simple cosmetic surgery to me, no different from any other.
I wouldn't remove anything from my vulva either, but I feel I should let people do it if they want to. Whatever makes them happy.
They feel disgusting enough with the big labia, give them a break.
It's usually that people are telling them they are disgusting, but the fact is that the consensus is coming that "Flappity labia" = ugly.
I personally think that myself.
Those disgusted of large labia are all small, pinky-dicked boys who have never had sex and who have no idea how different pussies can look.
I am all for big pussies & large labias.
At last some intelligent comment... of course, you`re a woman. Most men are idiots.
Both circumcision and vaginal surgery, not to mention mutilation by religious idiots, destroy important nerves in already sensitive areas of body. I am a non-circumcised man, i have no problem to keep my dick sparkling clean.
I feel this vaginal surgery fad is because total lack of understanding own sexuality and how one`s own vagina functions. Many women who has gone through it are bitterly disappointed and cannot almost never enjoy sex anymore, because they have got their nerve system destroyed in vagina area.
Of course this depends of how much is done.
It's the oh-so-great Britain!(-ia)
Isn't the phrase 'female vagina' redundant?
Thanks to plastic surgery, men can have them too.
Buck Angel being one classical example.
Seriously, people whose reasoning regarding sexual orientations boils down to "Buck Angel = straight for a man to desire" have something seriously wrong with their heads. Yuck.
Haaaah, I recognize this.
if stupid women want to spend more money why someone have to stop them? -__-
Because cosmetic surgeons are telling them it is okay. Yes, these women should be doing more research, but if someone who is a licensed doctor, even if it is just cosmetic, and you trust, tells you that the surgery isn't bad for you then there is a problem.
Why the hell anyone would trust a cosmetic surgeon in the first place is a mystery. These are people who cut other people apart and stick bits of plastic in them.
Props. It is a problem when a person in the position of authority is using that roll to take advantage of others.
"person in the position of authority"
"take advantage of others"
Welcome to society!
Little problem: usually they are NOT taking advantage of others in the slightest.
The doctor's oath only states that they will tell people the side effects (there are few to none from this procedure) and the benefits (there are many). Then allow the PATIENT to decide if the risks are worth the benefits.
In most, if not all, cases.... the benefits are worth the risks for the patients in their minds.
The doctors are NEUTRAL ARBITERS... they just tell you benefit vs. risk, then allow you to make your own decision based on that... they don't take 'advantage' of anyone, or at least most don't.
You`re spitting lies through your teeth. Are you a cosmetic surgeon yourself? Neutral arbiters? Not taking advantage? They would kill for money if it was not against the law. Go jump to sea or lake, have 100 kg of iron in your pockets.
this is the same with plastic surgery
modern medias are making modern women insecure of their self image
give me back my confident women!
males dont care how it looks on the outside as long as they can stick it in and it's good
Once, again, another virgin talking. Men care a lot about how it looks, especially if you're gonna eat her out. Seriously now.
@7:10
Once again another virgin talking indeed.
No man is going to get to the pussy, and be like "What is this? This is ugly as hell! I can't eat/fuck this! Away from me you big-lipped harlot!"
No, we're gonna take it in stride, and do the do. Perhaps later a man would look back and go "Wow... her pussy was hideous." but as long as the offer of sex is on the table, we're not gonna care.
They do, if they like giving oral. But that is still no excuse. This is just wrong imo. Women!,don't let yourselves be swayed by this shit! I like you the way you are!
If it's about oral then wouldn't it matter how it tastes not how it looks?
Two words... Pubic hair.
exactly.this guy gets it.
Pubic hair? But that's not about how it looks, that's about how it feels and gets in the way. Accidental flossing with pubic hair is annoying.
...the "perfect vagina"?
aren't they all? :)
You've never fucked a loose vagina have you?
Loose vagina? Maybe you didn`t got her hot, so her pussy wasn`t in "erection", which meas her vagina muscles were not swollen and pumping.
Look at mirror, you see the guilty one in it.
Kegel exercises, Mofo. Google it!
A normal vagina has no excuse to be loose!
@10:21
A loose vagina isn't determined by the labia.
Know your female anatomy.
Yes i believe they are. If you really love women as a man should.
Oh, also, it's not unrealistic, it's only about $5,000.
Next would be anus plastic surgery
Well, people have been getting the skin around their anus bleached for a long time now. Mostly porn stars but just like with this, if you see a porn star with a buttcrack where the skin isn't darker then some people think that it is unnatural to have discoloration.
It isn't surgery and it isn't super common, but it is purely cosmetic and unnecessary.
heh, yeah, I was wondering about that myself...
All ignorant, inexperienced & plain stupid guys writing bullshit here should get their anus moved to where their mouths are, and vice versa. Then we would ask if they still are positive to cosmetic surgeoning.
Labia majora? Are you sure that's right? For the "fresh" look, wouldn't you want to cut parts off the labia MINORA so that they wouldn't go " :P " between the labia minora?
Missed an "or" there, thanks:
"Labiaplasty (sometimes spelled labioplasty and sometimes referred to as labia minor reduction or labial reduction) is plastic surgery of the labia majora and/or the labia minora, which are the external folds of skin surrounding the structures of the vulva. The procedure involves reducing elongated labia."
used pie is used, if you care fer it it'll last, if you don't it goes bad.
here is another fine example of WTF laziness on their bodies..
lyposuction to lose the fat? how about not eating McD's all the time?
plastic surgery fer the body to look better, excersize..
same goes fer any other part of the anatomy, find out to stay healthy and follow thru... labioplasty... sounds like a VD of the worse kind
You do realize that labia minora grow without any sexual contact right? A virgin could have so called "Beef curtains" even if they've never stuck anythign down there.
Virgins should't speak about what they don't know.
I doubt a girl can change the way her vagina looks just by staying healthy.
A girl can change how her vagina feels by exercising her pelvic muscles. She can't change the look of her vulva however, which might be what you wanted to say. Vulva = outside bits. Vagina = the hole towards the womb.
"Furthermore, quality research is needed to improve our understanding of the psychological drivers behind women’s decision to sacrifice sexually sensitive tissue that contributes to erotic experiences"
Do they really need "quality research" to understand that they just want their labia to look like the labias they see in porn?
To 99% percent of the girls: "It's not nescessary"
*GASP* Hot gal is hot!!! I always wonder where you find those pics...Please tell me, O' venerable Artefact!!!
You know? It doesn't matter a bit if its hairy or shaved, sloppy or neat, big or small, or whatever damn shade of pink or purple or black or whatever. I love pussy and I think a woman should keep her pussy (and tits) the way she was borne with them. Unless of course there are medical reasons to screw with them. (Please excuse the pun)
On the other hand I also think artist decoration and expressionism through piercing and tattooing to be acceptable.
LONG LIVE THE WET HOLE!!!!!
"has little medical necessity."
Um, like 99 percent of all plastic surgery?
@06:51
99% is a little bit high.
Some nose jobs which correct and unblock the nasal cavity are considered "plastic surgery" but have valid medical benefits.
Many corrective surgeries are handled by Plastic Surgeons entirely because they have the expertise working with those areas of the body.
Granted most of it is for improving one's outward appearance, but much of the procedures that are called "plastic surgery" have actual medical benefits. I'd say it's more like 80% of all plastic surgery.
Post labial surgery looks more like loli pussy because of the labia minora not sticking out, i think it's hot.
Never had sex, haven`t you?
Make this shit ilegal and there will be a whole new market for it with higher risks and real negative sides like with every prohibition.
Pussies can be very damn ugly and its a very important part for girls, plus its not like if they were gonna go showing it up to everyone they just want to feel better with themselves.
This is a plus for us too, less ugly mega labias.
Like smokes, just make it clear that there is a danger and if the real dangers are that bad and they still do it then its their choice and their risk.
Of course they can't make it illegal- People are free to do whatever they want with their own bodies. Imagine you're being prosecuted for murder for trying to commit suicide.
In some places it IS illegal to commit suicide. The problem is in the prosecution.
Why can't I do drugs then?
'cos drugs make you high and is more likely to spread socially, thereby increasing the number of economically-useless beings.
When was the last time anyone tried a group suicide because "it feels nice"?
The people who have tried group suicide have voiced no complaints...
Sure they can if its deemed wrong, unnecessary and too dangerous.
Long live MEGA LABIAS!!!!!!!!!
I have to say, aesthetically, after having looked at the before and after pictures, the results of the labiaplasty look good. They look better than the way they looked before.
However, I'd never want any potential girlfriend of mine to risk injuring her body in such a procedure. Let alone, spend $5,000.
Your aesthetics are sick.
stop making a loli box :(
I support your opinion!
The pro-censorship, anti-freedom people (fascist feminists and the like) will, of course, use this as a reason to ban porn. "Porn gives women an impossible standard to try and live up to, so they undergo these horrible mutilations!!"
Of course, the solution is to remove the stigma of nudity forced on children by their parents, who had it forced one them by their parents, etc...
The forced 'demonizing' and hiding of the human body only serves to mean the only vaginas seen are those (so-called) perfect ones in porn. If we instead taught people (and particularly women) to respect and accept their bodies for what they are instead of teaching them to be ashamed of them and to hide them at all cost, then men would see a wider variety of body types (and, yes, vaginas) and accept them as they are. And women wouldn't think they have to mutilate their own vagina to match up with an impossible standard.
I'm not saying everyone should be naked everywhere. Clothing is useful for protection against the elements, but I see no reason for the puritan insistence that we cover our bodies everywhere.
But the prudes will never let that happen. They're content to give boys and girls life long mental problems with body image issues.
Do you need a hug?
Your joking right? I'm sorry, but just because we saw a wider variety, and women weren't as quick to keep them away, does NOT mean we (men) won't judge them. It's a sad fact that comparison judgement is HOW we come to standards of beauty (and even normalcy). As long as one woman has a vagina that makes all the guys go "mm-mm!", all the other women's naughty bits will be compared to it. Just like how men's penis sizes are constantly compared and criticized (also mostly due to standards put forth in porn).
Mind you, I don't find any of this "wrong" per se. Rather I just think these types of comparison are natural, regardless of how much people cover up. Nor do I believe it will stop when women "take charge" of their bodies (because logically they won't. Women in this case are their own worst enemies, not men.)
yeah, on that... a law was passed here in Arizona not too long ago, banning public breast feeding. makes me sick that society is at the point were breasts can't be used for their primary purpose. If a baby is hungry in public, are mothers just supposed to feed them the crap formula that's full of estrogen mimicking chemicals and Buddha knows what?
There's a website for females where they send in pics of their breasts, which are then posted on the site.
The point is to show females that there are many different kinds of breast sizes and shapes.
Maybe there should be one labia, too.
(No, sorry, I don't recall the URL for the breast site. No, I wouldn't post it here if I did recall. You'd Slashdot the site into the ground. Yes, I looked at every pic there. No, there was nothing surprising: some were cute, some were okay, and some were do-not-want. What you'd expect from real-life 3-D.)
You have a very constructive & wise approach to this issue. I support everything you are saying here. Myself i am too furious of all stupidity and ignorance displayed here to keep my own comments cool all the time.
im pro-choice, if a girl wants to wear makeup to cover blemishes, good for them they deserve to have a choice in the matter, and revlon stays in business. if a girls twat is fat and sloppy, and they don't like it that way, i still think they should have a choice to fix that shit up. and plastic surgeons stay in business. its a fucking win-win. those critics should be minding their own fucking business, if it doesn't concern them and it isn't hurting anyone else, then leave it between the doctor and patient. although, there are some guys who prefer girls with large labia. im indifferent, so long as it's clean.
If they're critics then it IS their business to not mind their own business.
"Lad's mags"
Who still buys magazines? Do those men not know about the internet or are they too stupid to find out how to get free porn off of it? I've seen quick a few of these "Lad's mags" and I've got to say that the porn that you can get free on the internet is much better by far.
Also if your girlfriend wants to look like a pornstar then it's time to get a new girlfriend. Pornstars aren't hot, never have been and never will be. Plus once your girlfriend thinks she's as "sexy" as a pornstar, she'll dump your ass because now she will think that she can do much better (which she probably can if her boyfriend uses this site).
Fuck that. Too many girls are too fake as it is. Nothing kills a boner faster than huge fakeass mutilated boobs, especially ones where you can see where the nipples were cut out and replaced (yes - put back where they were before, but it is still done in the over-muscle implants.)
I would actually dump a girl if I found out she'd hacked up her body to falsify it if it wasn't medically neccesary. BE WHO YOU ARE. GOD. DAMN. IT.
Having a body you're comfortable with does wonders for one's personality, you know.
And everybody falsifies who they are to a certain degree, please. Do you brush your teeth? You're trying to fake a white tone not found in nature. Do you wear deodorant? You're trying to trick people into thinking you actually smell of roses after you ride a crowded bus during lunchtime on a hot summer day.
Did you just put basic minimal oral hygiene on the same level as genital mutilation?
I'm saying that I'm not attracted to someone who would have their bodies mutilated to form it to an arbitrary judgement of what it "should" look like. I've seen too many girls who would readily get a boob job because they think that's the only way they'll be popular or liked - one, that's bullshit - two, whatever "like" they get from that will be superficial and temporary at best anyway. They'd be better served by loving themselves as they are and projecting it so that others follow. Sounds outlandish, but that's largely how group psychology works - do something with confidence and clout and others will fall into line so they don't look like fools. (Wear a suit and people will start calling you "sir." Act like no one could like you as you are... and they won't.)
So I'd take someone who either doesn't have such bad insecurity issues that they would LITERALLY cut off their nose to spite their face, or doesn't practice that level of deception.
Yes, I did put oral hygiene and plastic surgery on the same level. They're both procedures commonly used by humans to look more appealing to their peers.
And unless you plan on isolating yourself in a cave for the rest of your life, you're going to have to deal with other people. And if you can make that experience as less traumatizing as possible, by all means, proceed.
I know you're thinking this sounds superficial, but consider some less extreme cases.
Not all people do it because it's trendy, being self-conscious is a horrible thing and nobody should feel guilty for wanting that burden off their shoulders. And sometimes it's just not possible to act all that confident if you have an itch you can never scratch. You try to feel like making others fall in line with a huge, misshapen pear for a nose. Some people change for GOOD after going under the knife and modifying what they feel that could improve, and sometimes this is not triggered exclusively by public opinion. Breast reductions for non-medical purposes are a good example.
Oversized, bloated lips look ridiculous. So do stretched, lifeless physiognomies. Injecting moderate amounts of silicone to lift breasts after one or more pregnancies and subsequent periods of breastfeeding doesn't fall into that category, I think. Ask people how they feel pre and post-op. I don't have the heart to tell perfectly happy people that they have mutilated themselves and it was wrong and they should have learned how to live with themselves because they were born that way and they should die that way.
Do you?
Hygeine keeps you from developing ranges of diseases. Your ongoing health directly depends upon it - it is no more deception than eating is. Plastic surgery keeps superficial snobs from thumbing their designer noses at you. I do hope you can tell the difference.
I deal with people all day. I'm not a natural bishounen, but I get by alright, and what I don't have in looks, I fill in with friendliness and personality. I'm really at no loss by losing the respect of those who can't deal with that, and I really haven't run into any in real life since maybe junior high.
I don't honestly believe all plastic surgery is bad. There is reconstructive surgery for severe accidents. There are some cases where someone may actually be thought of by most as deformed. Then there are the other 95% who look like fine ordinary humans, but wish they had a face like the celeb of the week, or a d-cup bust. I guess I'm going to sound like a real Sankakuite here, but if that degree of falsity pervades even genitals, then I have to ask "is nothing sacred?" Ok, so maybe someone has 6-inch labia and their life will be turned around by this, but I think the common case will be people who just want to be a bit more symmetrical, or tidy, or young-looking, and they'd be willing to put those parts under the knife to reach that end. That is simply a mentality that I am not willing to associate myself with. It's like meeting someone with anorexia nervosa who thinks they're still fat after starving themselves half to death, so they start bloodletting to shave a few more pounds off while others ask "if they can afford it, isn't it their right?"
I wouldn't attack someone for having plastic surgery any more than I would for how they look naturally, but in most cases that I actually see it done, I think they'd have been better off with some self esteem counselling rather than flesh sclupting.
"Yes, I did put oral hygiene and plastic surgery on the same level. They're both procedures commonly used by humans to look more appealing to their peers."
So are you brushing your teeth JUST for the "beauty" it?
Unlike sharks, we humans don't grow a new set of teeth every few months or so, unless you're very different, please refrain from comparing basic oral hygiene and plastic surgery.
"i made you a reply but sankaku ated it :("
*rewrite*
Hygiene keeps you from developing a wide range of diseases. At the very least, it's done as a courtesy to others, at no harm to yourself. Plastic surgery keeps snobs from thumbing their designer noses at you. I do hope you can tell the difference, but it seems you can't, so while I'll read your replies, this is my final word on it.
I deal with people all day long. I'm not a natural bishounen, but like most people, I do fine as it is. What I lack in looks I make up for with personality and friendliness, and I am truly at no loss for being passed over by those who can't handle that. Honestly though, I haven't encountered that type since junior high.
I'm not against all plastic surgery; there are reconstructions after severe accidents. In some cases, like you'd said, there are people who most would actually consider deformed. These genital surgeries may turn the life around of someone with 6 inch labia, but if it follows the trend of other plastic surgeries, then most people will probably be the kind who think they'd look better with a face like the celeb of the week, or a big round d-cup, and will have their sexual organs sculpted to look more symmetrical, "tidier", or even younger as the articles suggested - at the risk of never again having an orgasm, or having problems when the scars rip open in childbirth. I'm simply not willing or able to relate to someone with that mindset. It's like knowing someone with anorexia nervosa who, after starving themselves half to death, starts bloodletting to drop more weight, but while you try to talk them out of it, others go "hey, that does look good! If they can afford it, then it's their right!"
Finally, I'd berate someone for having plastic surgery no more than I would for how they naturally look, but that doesn't mean I support the procedure. In the majority of cases I see, the people would be better off with some self esteem counselling or psychological change rather than commissioning a simulacrum of living flesh at risk to their own health and wellbeing for purely aesthetic reasons.
...whoa, both posts wound up coming out. +_+
I must ask you once again, what's wrong with wanting a bigger breast size? I figured that if I'm not against other less invasive means of falsifying one's appearance (wigs, make-up, high heels, colored contact lenses, etc.), I also shouldn't be against surgical modifications. Breast implants fake the female chest as much as a push-up bra would, for that matter. Either way, you're deceiving society on the way you look. I agree that if you do it just to mimic this or that celeb or if you want the grass greener on your side of the fence just for the heck of it, plastic surgery is not the solution to your problem and you'll still be unhappy. It's something you should do for yourself.
Being this the case... even if the procedure isn't medically urgent, or even if there aren't any deformations, I still consider it something healthy. Instead of spending years in therapy, I honestly think it's much more effective and easy to just get rid of the problem in question. Therapy isn't magic, you don't just go there and they fix you right up. Neither is plastic surgery, but I'm still willing to bet on it for long-term satisfaction.
And plastic surgery isn't even that risky. Yes, complications may occur. No, it's not as dangerous as it was a few years back. If you reshape the labia, loss of sensation will be limited to (very faintly) scarred areas only and most of it will return with time, like other procedures done on other body parts. Both clitoris and g-spot will be left intact.
"Do you brush your teeth? You're trying to fake a white tone not found in nature."
Do you realize that brushing your teeth doesn't just whiten them? If you don't take care of your teeth then they will rot and fall out. It's not a matter of "Do you want white teeth?" as much as it is "Do you want to keep your teeth?".
ALRIGHT, BRUSHING YOUR TEETH IS A BAD EXAMPLE, I RECKON IT. >.>
I take it back. Make it whitening strips then.
Yay! We anons won! :P
Back on topic, I don't really care about people going under the knife if it's for something serious, like a severe car accident, disease or burns but, paying $5000+ just because one want to be "MORE beautiful" is kinda over my understanding. Enhancing one's beauty is not a new concept in human history, makeup existed even in the prehistoric times but, wanting to pass from a D to a FF in bust size or to have the "perfect" vagina and risking (as minimal as it is) complications later in life, is a very flawed concept to me.
Just my 2 cents
**The definition of perfect being a very subjective and personal matter
Actually, no. I don't brush my teeth, they are pretty white and tartar free (so much that the dentist was shocked when I told him "I brush only once a week, at most!"), and have had NO cavities. In fact, to be blunt, I have had LESS cavities than when I was brushing every single day while under my parents control before I was 18!
And I'm eating more 'sugary foods' and snacks to boot!
One thing I do however.... rinse with mouthwash and whitening rinse twice a day (one time for one, one for the other a day).
whill i pick at my teeth and my dentist is shocked and i never brush mine at all two years ago was the last time i brushed min ok i have perfect teeth i was born human and i have gotten to a point im not human anymore so that might be why im healthy as a horse in most common sense so dont say that brusshing is great ok idont abd it couldnt be better
Brushing teeth is NOT falsifying who you are any more than cats licking their own fur falsifies who they are. Tooth WHITENERS whiten teeth. Normal tooth paste is for cleaning teeth, not whitening. Not that there aren't plenty of tooth pastes that claim to whiten - but that's often by abrasion (eroding the enamel to a whiter layer) than real tooth whitening.
Have you seen porn stars vaginas? Its like tossing a hotdog down a hallway.
Actually, no, it isn't. SOME porn stars are like that because they have gotten into the 'severe stretch' porn with the huge-ass dildos. Most of them however do NOT have vaginas like 'tossing a hotdog down a hallway'. The only person who can say that is someone who has never had sex with a pornstar or someone who is 'jealous' or 'angry' at the more sexually-liberated porn star because they are sexually liberated more than they are.
Anonymous above is a girl.
hey im not but want to be and i still like hentai ok so shut up u jelous doggg
Let me put it this way.
Maybe it's wrong, maybe it's right, it's not definite, but who are they to try to prohibit it? Come on, I thought humans are finally free, let people do what they want to do, as long as they don't harm anyone else.
You want a piercing, tattoo, circumcision, fine, your body your decision. Why do people have to censor and prohibit stuff, I thought the modern world is based on freedom of speech and thought.
God damn it, this reminds me so much of religion and feminism. I hate those kind of people.
You can do any of those things, but can you find another person to help you do those?
while religeon did destroy us that why i dont believein a god but many im draconian so i know what will come in the afterlife either a rebirth of ascension to a godlike being we decide wher we go and if u want to go to heaven make sure u a god before wanting to cause itll just be pointless wishing ok cause heaven is where the gods reside
ok and ull just be going to the well of sould for another rebirth if this isnt ur first life on this little planet ok
Damn, another delicious pic from Artefact =d
I always wonder where does he find those? 2chan?
This is what happens when scientists and doctors argue with each other. They argue over pussy. jk
in the article's picture... the hand and arm are VERY well-drawn..
Top drawing only has 4 fingers....if no one has noticed
Take another look, there are 5 fingers. In case you can't count, 5/five is this many: 1 1 1 1 1
In before thumb not finger etc...
Statistics for male foreskin disadvantages/advantages are skewed, because a lot of men in african nations are uncircumcised.
I don't think they should cut it if they don't have to. If I didn't already have a circumsision, I wouldn't be able to deal with the thought of cutting off a part of my penis. Even if they say it won't hurt, you know it will.
The op pic is great.
Actually, no, it doesn't. I have some Jewish friends who have had circumcisions, and they say it doesn't hurt at all with the pain-deadening cream that they give you for the penis and the pain pills that they give you.
I support labioplasty as much as I support circumcision (for non-medical reasons) which is not at all.
So is Judaism a medical reason?
Protip: there is no good answer.
If someone wants to cut off their foreskin for religion they can be my guest, doesn't mean I'll support it.
I emphasize the fact it should be their own decision though.
I'm just gonna throw in here that plastic surgery is the ultimate definition of the yuppie subculture; you are what you can pay.
Plain as an ironing board? No problem. Your true age is showing? we got Botox for that. Don't like the size of your Willie friend? Look, we can make it bigger and wider; but I warn ya; I'll look completely unrealistic. So as long as you can afford it; the doors of a aesthetical-driven society(I personally blame the media and mainstream pr0n stars)are open for you.
For We Are Many.
Hey, get used to it. The fact is that people don't want to appear 'ugly' anymore, and the men and women (even girls and boys) today are more willing to tell you "Honey, you are ugly!"
I don't see that as a problem in the slightest. If you don't want to do these things, then simply don't do them and 'live with people calling you ugly'.... because it is THEIR OPINION of you, nothing more, nothing less... and unless you have a problem with the person in question seeing you as 'ugly', just ignore them.
I can't imagine someone voluntarily taking a knife to it unless there is a disease or condition with it. Then again people pierce themselves in places I wouldn't either. But to take such a risk of losing nerves for feeling and control is beyond me. The 'camel-toes pouch and unit' is something females are born with so deal with it.
I truly enjoyed reading the comments here. Here's to more elegant vaginas. *Clinks glasses*
God forbid a slim tidy box be considered asthetically pleasing. Say no to meat curtains and you are apparently a chauvinist.
I received scrotal reduction surgery for aesthetic reasons. I shoulda let the boys hang low and pasted a daily picture of em on the door of Miss "largely unnecessary and poorly understood."
I am a experienced, very grown-up, real virile man. I like big pussies, the bigger the better. It should have a lot of large, multiple folds, and very strong upper and lower love muscles. This kind of pussy and vagina i find most attractive and beautiful. To all noobs & other idiots, i have to say that the visual size of pussy has nothing to do how strongly it can press & massage a penis, whatever size, during lovemaking.
Labiaplasty is simply utter idiocy, only good for surgeons to get money from something which is not needed for any intelligent reason. Women who want it do not know that pussies can be beautiful in so many ways, as many other body parts. And real, experienced men with great capacity to satisfy women happens mostly prefer great, voluptuous pussies!
First of all, nobody is impressed with you.
Secondly, the desired shape for the vagina has largely come about as a result of people voting with their dollar--buying porn more often with those who have better shaped vaginas. You'll notice that porn is also purchased by "experienced, very grown up, real virile" men.
So fuck off, we can and will promote an ideal image. If a woman gets some surgery to match that image, awesome.
That surgery often destroys her sex life. What is a better shaped vagina, or vulva, or pussy? Who are you to decide which of various types of female sex organ is attractive? Men buying porn are usually not the ones with greater experience, or rich sex life.
They usually haven`t seen vey many pussies in real life.
I an NOT aiming to be impressed. Ignorance on this area of human life is astonishing. What even more astonshing, there is a great number of men not wanting to give up their faulty knowledge, if they have anything at all, of woman`s sex organs and how they function.
It feels they demand of women dot to do anything, only lay there as dead fish, when they try in vain do everything with their dicks. They are frightened of the thought that women have bigger erectile muscles in their pussy and vagina tha most men.
I have learned what i know directly by talking with women.
You should ask about these things from women you know, if there is any.
Again, i am not trying to impress anyone, i only try to send some light of reality to inexperienced boys in these, ah so dark ages, when reason and knowledge is rapidly vanishing away. Idiotic ideas and religions are on march again trying to enslave people.
P.S. I wonder if cosmetic surgeoning really is so lucrative for any longer, when those witch doctors have to advertise themselves so furiously. They have a growing number of lawsuits on their heels, and some good lawyers against them!
I am sorry for some spelling faults above.
In short, i am not trying to look like a stud or impress anyone. Far from it.
Instead i wish to say to boys & inexperienced men: Do not believe to urban legends or what stupid, women hating men sprout out from their mouths. Do not believe on bad jokes, but think clearly what is most natural and trustworthy, learn and think of your real experiences, and the most important: LISTEN TO WOMEN AND DISCUSS WITH THEM. They should know their bodies best.
There is no harm to your manliness if you give some credit to women. Even when it comes to sex.
Cool assumptions, bro. Fact of the matter is that nearly all men buy or view porn--and this is the image they overwhelmingly respond to.
The rest of your comment was irrelevant to the subject and full of propaganda.
ok guys ur right i dont know much and il try to learn but im having my self a sex changeto become a woman
so itll be my very own learning journey so if u can give me any info ill be glad to accept any plase message me at Miss_mystic2000@hotmail.com please ok looking forward with ur nice honest reply thanx
sincerly may
Please read all my posts above so you can see i am not your worst enemy.
Of course i have also a ideal looking pussy on my mind. It do not look like a buttonhole, though.
Wait, wait, WAIT......
1st, they're cutting off the labia, not the clitoris. So it's NOT circumcision.
2nd, I can't blame them for getting them cut down. I sure as hell don't want to look at no fucking "meat curtains".
Don't go telling me I'm shallow, you fuckers, I know what I DO like to see and what I DON'T.
Go take your feminazi bullshit complaints elsewhere.
I have a warning for you: you`re still young. Your tastes can and probably will change.
I have myself grown to like large labias through experience.
People's tastes will change undoubtedly, but it is presumptuous to say that all men will converge to your opinion as they grow older. Arguing for some non-existent form of maturity is silly.
Whwhat the fuck. I couldn't even finish reading this article.
I love how this is tagged as guro...
ok people get a life ther is nothing wrong with getting any surgery to reshape urself im getting somthing simmaller a sex change operation and if u have some thing to say conatact me at Miss_mystic2000@hotmail.com ok ill be waiting to see how many asshole want to be retarded and say dumbass things that arent logical so have a go ok
Why do guys like fighting about their dicks so much?