Sony’s product marketing vice president Scott Steinberg has been busy rubbishing Sony’s competitors as being “dated, dead, dumb terminals,” for whom he has “bad news” in the form of a resurgent PS3…
Some excerpts from his hyperbolic “value proposition”:
“In the next few years, you’re going to start to see us separate from the herd. Some of the other platforms are going to look very dated because their life spans are so much shorter than ours.
The brilliance of PS3 is that it’s not a dead, dumb terminal like other machines. We can throw layers of firmware into that box and always be contemporary with technology. We can reflect and respond to how people are using entertainment.
If you’re a competitor I’ve got bad news for you because we’ve got some absolute blockbusters that are in the works, some of them new IP, some of them existing IP, that we’re building specifically for the PS3
From a competitive standpoint our competitors are going to have a tougher road now then even in 2008. But for PlayStation 3 consumers, it means more quality and more choice.”
It is not hard to guess who he has in mind when speaking of his “competitor.”
Those looking to float an armada of hot air balloons can read the whole spiel here. Pity the “competitor” who has to read it.
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PC is superior but i think majority of PC fanboys will unite with the PS3 fanboys just for the hardware fact :P
no. I'm tired of PS3 fanboy arrogance. They actually think their 600-720 p is actually an achievement. Eat 1080 p at 60 fps! and I paid 150 bucks for my graphics card!
Layers of firmware still don't stop your graphics subsystems from being quite a few steps behind the PC.
Meh...I like the Wii...
The only people Nintendo are trying to upstage is Apple anyway...and the guy who made SD Cards...
BINGO! The secret to success? Standards!
PS3 uses Memory Stick--so does PSP...not many people can offload on a VAIO, either system, a Memory Stick Reader, AND Memory Sticks...
XBOX has proprietary storage...good luck getting the games back when the system is fucked.
PC is not a console, but I'm OK with gaming on it.
Wii and DSi have SD. SD is standard on digicams, PCs, Mac...anything that shits a picture.
But all have something to write home about...they let us have our fun. Dammit! See THAT!!
inntresting though that the xbox stand out on multiplatform games, i have both ps3 and xbox and it really rubs my cunt with the ps3 loading times, sure the ps3 might be better in the future, but at this time i buy most of my games on the xbox
After owning all 3 consoles, even with the MS having to replace my Xbox360 once, I would still say, it has the best games of any of the consoles, seriously, except for Ratchet & Clank, the only thing the PS3 has been good for is watching BluRay movies, and the Wii, except for
Super Smash Bros. Brawl, has mostly just sat there collecting dust.
Oh, and the PC is still my fav gaming platform, it's much easier to transport a gaming NB, than the consoles, the disc's, etc.
Fuck look at all of this fanboy idiocy. Don't you wastes of sperm have anything better to do than argue on the internet like a bunch of children?
"We can throw layers of firmware into that box and always be contemporary with technology."
And brick them, like your fucking software update did to my PS3?
I reckon you don't even have a PS3.
Fanboy whores, the lot of you.
Whatever, I stick with my faithful PC.
Hey I'm a Sony... and I'm an Xbox
xbox: wats dis?
sony: dunno, I'm bored
xbox: let's play on Wii
sony: ok, but i'm better than you
xbox: oh yeah?
i wouldn't be surprised if that pops up on tv. on the other hand, can they make an action packed/massive destruction/fire breathing/maiden capturing godzilla games?? di ba?
You sir, have been bitten by the cute virus.
My nose bled reading this~!
Need I say you won a few internets?
Comes down to the games, and right now, xbox is leading that train.
Actually...you'd be right on a general basis...but not on a preference basis...not everyone wants what she's having, per se.
One man's XBOX loyalty is another man's "meh".
I have no preference...so I don't hate anything~
Except games that I think suck.
Fuck the consoles. Play games on a PC. Upgrade and reconfigure whenever you want. Shit on PS3 and Xbox.
Hack and fap all you want.
Gaming PCs don´t cost 300$ shit head.
yeah, but gaming graphics cards do (and less)
... shithead
Yes! because we can play games with only a graphics card without expending more cash on the actual PC. >_>
Right fuck face?
By the time programers figure out how to program for the PS3, Microsoft and Nintendo will have new systems out! HaHaHaHaHa!!!!!!!!!!!
by the time microsoft makes a decent system that doesn't catch fire, and nintendo realizes that people don't want to play games for babies the sun will explode
fuck all ya! Atari 2600 is way better than PShit 3 and Shitbox 360!!
Guess what...I don't care.
I happen to like both. I don't care who wins, just that someone wins. I just come for the games, that's all.
Mysterious Voice: *gun clicks* "You're outnumbered. Better rethink your words."
To each his own.
Mysterious Voice: "Not on the internet. To each everyone else's." *gun fires*
I seriously agree that Sony is capable of surviving due to PS3 exclusives but why the fuck must they say something like that!?
All the consoles this generation suck ass.
http://www.electronictheatre.co.uk/index.php/industry-news/3487-call-of-duty-modern-warfare-2-xbox-360-sales-double-playstation-3
Nuff said.
of course it sold more on crapbox, more people have them, however most crapbox owners i know have had to have the system replaced at least once. i dont know anybody thats had to replace a ps3 yet.hers some info. ps3 sales in the past 3 months have gone up 700%, meanwhile crapbox has been steadily declining.
ps3 will outlast crapbox for quite a while and will eventually overtake it in sales!
this info can be found in the yahoo games blog
the sales may have gone up by a few % (700 is exaggeration) but it slowly decreased week by week. With the release of a few games and events the 360 sales went up by quite a bit in the last week, and it was never "slowly decreasing". LOL
A little graph which shows the ups and downs during the past 3 month can be seen here:
http://vgchartz.com/hwlaunch.php?cons1=®1=All&cons2=PS3®2=All&cons3=X360®3=All&weeks=12&weekly=1 [http://vgchartz.com/hwlaunch.php?cons1=®1=All&cons2=PS3®2=All&cons3=X360®3=All&weeks=12&weekly=1]
btw: yahoo fails. lol
um, actually 700% wasnt a exaggeration. it is a fact. now im not saying it still is like that but for at least the first month after the price drop it was true. and ps3 is currently outselling both ps3 and wii.
""um, actually 700% wasnt a exaggeration. it is a fact. now im not saying it still is like that but for at least the first month after the price drop it was true. and ps3 is currently outselling both 360 and wii.""
Fixed last line =D
Also i love how 99% off the time, multi-platform games end up being a shitty port on the ps3.
on some of the older games this might be true, however on the newer games ps3 is clearly better. it has just taken a while for game developers to adjust to sonys cell processor.
i have yet to see a game with better graphics than uncharted 2. nothing on 360 is even close.
maybe you should learn to check for up-to-date info before posting
If by opinion you mean facts, then yes.
Got to digital foundry and see for yourself.
thats just a matter of opinion. ps3 versions usually have more content and better graphics. tekken 6 is a prime example.
Do you know what's so ironic here in SC? Articles of Bayonetta and DBZ for 360 showing better graphics.
Anyways, I'd rather choose the PS3.
Well I just bought a Xbox360 and I don't own a PS3 yet, I'm pretty happy with the Xbox360 at the moment.
"The brilliance of PS3 is that it’s not a dead, dumb terminal like other machines. We can throw layers of firmware into that box and always be contemporary with technology. We can reflect and respond to how people are using entertainment."
Oh man, i lol'd. I wonder if they're able to Patch DX11 into the PS3 with a Firmware update. "Contemporary" my ass. The PS3 is as Dated as the 360. No need to mention the Wii, that one was already dated the time it came out. All Consoles lack modern Technology and no Firmware update can fix that...
And i'm pretty sure that we'll see GREAT and Visually Fantastic Games on both Consoles in the next 2 years untill new Consoles pop up.
Don't say much of the consoles we don't own.
I agreed with Anon 08:13 13/11/2009.
I like this game console war going on, everytime a battle pops up, it's get my attention. Personally rooting for the PS3.
shut up fucking japanese faggots micro pennis the only reason that sony sells is because America and Europe are not fucking monkeys islandesr racist the reason that xbox don´t sell micropennisland is because the micropennis are racist hahahaha.
Well, looks like I'm a little bit late to the party... oh well.
"In the next few years, you’re going to start to see us separate from the herd."
Lol, you've always been "separated from the herd", being dead last and all. Actually you're now closing the gap a little.
"Some of the other platforms are going to look very dated because their life spans are so much shorter than ours."
I think it works both ways. ATi has already confirmed that they're working on the graphics chip for Microsoft's next console, so by the time the PlayStation 3 gets some speed they'll probably release the Xbox 720 and Sony's Blu-ray player will surely look dated in comparison. Boasting about superior technological prowess some good three years after the system's launch is just slightly retarded.
"The brilliance of PS3 is that it’s not a dead, dumb terminal like other machines. We can throw layers of firmware into that box and always be contemporary with technology. We can reflect and respond to how people are using entertainment."
NXE, Netflix, Facebook/Last.fm/Twitter/Zune video support going against achiev--err, trophies/wii remote rip-off no. 1 (a.k.a. SIXAXIS)/wii remote rip-off no. 2 (a.k.a. glowy wand)... you get the idea. Sony is the corporative equivalent of a parrot, the only way they know what people actually want is by looking at their competition leaving them behind.
"If you’re a competitor I’ve got bad news for you because we’ve got some absolute blockbusters that are in the works, some of them new IP, some of them existing IP, that we’re building specifically for the PS3"
You better do, all your "absolute blockbusters" have so far failed to even compare to Halo's or Gear's sales numbers. The days of Gran Turismo breaking sales records seem to be long past.
The last paragraph is OK, though.
microsoft: "sony got no game"
Really both consoles have their good points and bad points and those saying that multiconsole ports are always better for 360 need look no further than the X-Box Tales of Vesperia beta test for obvious proof to the contrary. The X-Box is targeted at North American gamers where games tend to be action based and the story is used to promote that. It is shooter heavy and that is fine as that is the market Micro$haft is obviously trying to reach. As for the PS3 it sells more in Japan because they want a game that is action for the sake of story. RPGs and the like are excellent examples. Both systems target different demographics with some overlap. I mean on one hand I have Disgaea, Final Fantasy, the non beta test of Tales of Vesperia, and about a million PS1 and 2 titles, on the other you have games like Halo, Left 4 Dead, Mass Effect and the like. Personally I dislike console shooters Mouse look and keyboard as well as the game quality are much better on pc (source engine ftw) but that is opinion. My brother and several of my friends swear by their 360s and Haloesque shooters their opinion. What really matters is get the system that suits your gaming wants (can't call them needs) and be you will be happy with it. Hell if your a casual gamer with young children get that wii and have some fun.
Sigh, Sony talking shit again as usual, same with MS always talks shit about Sony. Stupid PR talk.
All i have to do is enjoy my games that are appearing for both the PS3 and 360, and i win!
ps3 has no games.
they have really large number of new games coming within the next year. including several ps3 only titles including god of war 3 and final fantasy versus 13. ps3 has plenty of games
Comments on this page just made me lose hope in the general internet browsing population...
Then again, i guess this is what happens when so much of the Sankaku population can be anonymous
The PS3 will have a life-span like Albert Wesker...
Don't you mean Leon Kennedy?
I notice Artefact is mysteriously missing from this argument (took me forever to read all the freaking comments.)
You know, if I didn't know any better I'd say Steve Jobs is writing these speeches.
we're talking about a company that not only lost money, but was hemorrhaging it just to put the ps3 on the market. now that the price has dropped, it's become a self-sustaining black hole, destroying all of the revenue that comes near it.
Hell, they've been catering to the ps2 just to keep money slightly less implosive. Talk about dated dead and dumb.
and what's more, is they're talking about fucking firmware. Anyone can do that, and the 360's been keeping tabs on it quite better than that shiny black paperweight collecting dust under my TV.
if it isn't firmware updates, they're just selling new consoles with upgraded equipment, it isn't even something you could compare as 'the same' thing. Older console owners probably wouldn't toss more cash in for (unless you're the kind of pompous rich kid that would spring for every new version of a console as it comes out)
when it comes to console wars, I think there needs to be a new section for this site: ichikaku.
The reason everyone with a brain scoffs at Apple's words is because their machines' capabilities are behind the market and they can only sell by creating hype... much in the way Microsoft sells really.
But hey, let Sony have their fun, it's about time they took the war seriously. Up until now all they did was stay in denial.
All three consoles have their faults. The Wii is full of garbage games that overrun their few gems, and is also completely behind the times in terms of specs. Microsoft pretty much admitted their failure rate problem by offering the extended warranty, plus sticking to DVD's is slowly looking like not such a good choice. And Sony's machine was until recently too expensive, not to mention not having a so-called true killer-app until recently.
BTW, in terms of price, you may be amazed to find how expensive a Wii can actually be (if you add in an extra controller+nunchuck and the Motion-plus).
Arguing of this stuff is stupid. Did people forget that they are video GAME systems. Fighting over this is pretty immature. Pretty soon we're all going to start fighting on who makes the best DVD player, or the best basketball. What's the point? Just because you guys have a preference that does not make it the best. They're both good systems. Play the one you like, and get over it.
PC FTW!!!
Who care,pc and xbox360 games are suck to core anyway.
n/a
PS fail
Yessssssssssssssss console warsssssss! They're both good. If you own one why do you feel the need to try and invalidate someone else's purchase?
They're skewed in different directions anyway. If you like more Western style games (FPS, open world RPGish and Sports mostly) then 360 is a good match. If you are more into Eastern style games (JRPG, Fighting, etc.) then PS3 is going to probably please you more. PS3 also has blu-ray which is great and you can change the hdd yourself which is a definite nicety.
If I had $300 to blow without feeling sick to my stomach I would go out and get a PS3 (I already own a 360).
I think development on multi-platform titles hurts it the most. In almost every case the PS3 is screwed. I assume this is related to the differences in the PS3 architecture when comparing a PC, 360 and PS3. So most likely in the same budgeted time for PC and 360, less can be tested and done on PS3 and so it isn't optimized very well. However, games developed ONLY on PS3 are incredible to behold. Killzone 2 looks wild and Uncharted 2 is just breathtaking.
Can't we all just get along? Why can't we like both?
Mysterious Voice: "One of the rules of the internet dictates you can't like both. And you must choose the right answer. So...no, you can't like both."
...oh, well my explaination is that people are idiots.
Mysteroius Voice: "...you...you're probably right."
Listen you stupid fucking fanboy retards. All of the current consoles have some good points to them. Stop being so close-minded and realize great games are developed worldwide by many different countries.
Like music, film, and anything else the masses devour, it is all subjective. If you stop for a second and take Sony or Microsofts dick out of your mouth, maybe you can gather the concentration to come to realization that you're only missing out on great gaming opportunities by being such little bitches.
PROS
Xbox360 = Great FPS/TPS, Faster loading time, Expensive yet great quality online service, Came out 1 year before PS3, Backwards compatibility, Borderlands and COD4MW2.
PS3 = Great RPG/SRPG/MMORPG, Free online, Re-chargeable controller that comes with a cord. The FF series, Re-updating frame wear, Blu-ray drive, HDMI port. FFXIV (still waiting on release) and LBP.
Wii = Motion censor technology, Great active/fitness games, Free NWF, Probably the most family oriented console. SSBB and PBR.
CONS
Xbox360 = RROD, Halo3 (imo), Limited Drive Space, Lack of sales in Japan.
PS3 = It came out 1 year late, Loading lag(when compared to multi-platform games on other consoles), They no longer have Nobuo Uematsu.
Wii = Do you really want me to list ALL of the cons???
The reason Xbox is alive in Japan is Solely because of the IDOLM@sters series. Without it...it would be dead in Japan. I have never met someone from Japan that would say something good about an Xbox. That's how Japan feels about it...not me.
If you don't really care about the graphics or the fact that you have to use a Wiimote and nun-chuck for most games...then you will get along with the Wii.
The sales in US and E for Xbox look alike because Most of the games that are played revolve around us shooting the crap out of each other. where as the PS3 sales are mostly in the RPG section. I have played both Sudeki and Fable, I have found them both very fun, but easy. and I have played COD on the PS3 and thought that I would rather Play it on the Xbox360. From someone who has played on all of these systems, I say its Just based on what you wanna play. No company is going down, though there is always room for improvement. MS will come back with something better,then Sony, and then hopefully Nintendo will do something with its new found technology, because if they don't do something soon, they will probably be the first to fall.
PC > PS2 = Wii > ALL.
I've had all three consoles. For me, it goes, PS3, Xbox 360, and then Wii. Wii is horrible, Xbox sucks, and PS3 is awesome.
This pro and contra shit is useless.
Get all consoles and stfu.
360 FTW!
Go fu@k to hell PS3.
I have both console and I can say that all the games in 360 pawned PS3 games so hard as#.
MGS4?Blerghh.Gears of Wars is much betta in term of graphics and gameplay.WTF with those stupid loooooong cutscenes.
All hail microsoft!!
I don't own a single current gen console, because I don't like the modern video games which I checked at my friend's place, but if Persona 5 comes out for PS3 I actually might buy it.
I remember back in the day, when SEGA and Nintendo were doing this sort of thing... lots of fun
to watch fanboys rage I mean, not the fighting
is ps3 still not hacked yet?
After all the:
"We are,good looking,more powerful,and have a bigger dic--...disk capacity!soon!or not...but better games! like HALOO----" and other "we can have 3 pixel more then u nubz!"
from Microsoft and his army of fanboys...
I have to say it's refreshing to see sony bash so openly competitor.
Not saying they already haven't of course...
Now waiting for Sony fanboys:
"We are prettier,more powerful,have REALLY bigger dic-...disk capacity! only downside,you can't use the ps3 as a heater in cold winter night...but it IS a console so it's normal LOL"
Gawd i love console war! :D
*take popcorn*
Dosen't the PS3 also function as a grill?
talking about older models or something?
cause mine sure as hell (lol) doesn't,such a shame :/
blah...
Microsoft quit messing with game systems, and give me a better OS. w7 isn't too bad but not perfect. fuck ps3 and 360 go PC
...All of this yakking, and no one realizes that the article is almost two months old.
(sigh)
we'll just see after a month of CoD:MW2 sales. there's a reason why sony will have a hard time "separating"
i am having a serious Microsoft flashback, why do employees of Microsoft feel the need to pimp Microsoft?
get a life the xbox360 is over, gay tony is coming to the PC baby! (lol@lamebox.)
And yet at work we sell more 360s than Wiis and more Wiis than PS3s.
Sony is even making ads in Mexico for their PS3, but you know, it is a multimedia center ad, not a gaming console, basically if someone thought Nintendo was "all about casuals" Sony is not even aiming at gaming here, or how do you think this ad sounds?
"Video, Music, Photos, Games, Playstation does everything..."
I still have only three reasons to get a PS3, Metal Gear Solid 4, Smackdown vs RAW 2010, and possibily Devil May Cry 4 (although it is the same as my reason to get a 360, so, whatever happens first).
Is not like I am a hardcore gamer, but the PS3 no longer deserves to have the PLAY on its name.
Play: Video. Play: Music. Play: Games. You know, I think the 'play' still applies.
I own each system - so the wars really don't affect me anyway. :3
Lost in translation, "play" applies to many things in english, but you know, is no longer just for playing=jugar games.
I am just pissed off about this stupid "war", it was something like fanboy thing, but now the companies take it as "serious business" too.
We're in a time where a cell phone can no longer be called a "real" cell phone if it doesn't,takes picture (and has an editor for them),play music,has video chat,take video AND play games!
So i think sony is riding the right wave here >.>..
Also,the xbox and wii do the same thing .
(while a little less practical they do)
I don't see the problem here.
I still don't take mobile phone cameras seriously, and I'm not the only one. I've never seen someone say a mobile phone isn't "real", provided the phone can make and receive calls.
what he's saying is essentially correct. the ps3 does have the best long term potential and will no doubt be even more successful in due time but I think he's being a bit too asshole and arrogant about it.
for sony, at least he's telling the truth while microsoft is in denial with the growth and continued success of the 360...for them there's nowhere to go but down as far as I can see.
What should Sony say?
"360 owns us saleswise, though with faulty hardware, banning thousands/millions of users and charging for Live. We are pathetic Islandmonkeys."
If your console is so perfect it should sell like 10 times the 360 does...and that for more than 1 month.
it has outsold the xbox360 the last 3 months, and it's numbers are now closer to 35million..
that's 5 million more than the xbox360...
Bullshit. The PS3 has sold 380,000 last month whereas the 360 sold 320,000. The PS3 has 26-28 million consoles sold while the 360 has 33-35 million consoles sold.
PS3 has not sold 35 million consoles.
I lol'd when people point out about the RROD and herald PS3 as the perfect, reliable console. News flash: Yellow Light of Death. And I've had one PS3 which broke down because of that...
Got my insurance company to replace my PS3 with a Slim though.
As for @anon 6:55, you cannot ban a PSP because there's no incentive for Sony to do so. Besides, when a 360 is banned, it's banned from xbox live. You can still play it, just you can't play it online. What can PSP owners lose when they have pirated games on it? Pratically nothing. Actually, pirated owners get the BETTER service than legit consumers [better load times, faster running game, longer batter times, etc].
I applaud microsoft for banning those who practically get games for free. I rather support the gaming industry and the developers who deserve it. Besides, since I want to be a game designer, I would be upset if someone pirate my games and don't pay for it. I wouldn't do the same to them =P
Wanna know why the Xbox will be selling more? Red Ring of Death. Most people I know have bought maybe 2-3 360s because of that little badass move that microsoft did. Now mmost of them have bought 1 PS3 since. And are quite ok with it.
Expect the 360 to sell a million more this holiday since they effing banned a million accounts because of piracy. You don't see Sony banning a million PSPs because of piracy.
Now if they would just buy some PS3 games also, then maybe Sony would make some money instead of subsidizing cheap bluray players.
No. If you want to make up numbers, at least fake a site or post SDF links. There are still more 360 in american and european households than PS3s.
Ahhahaha,
"No. If you want to make up numbers, at least fake a site or post SDF links. There are still more 360 in american and european households than PS3s. blahblhablah please jerk me off microsoft" You want PROOF? Here's your proof:
http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/puzzle/guitarhero5/news.html?sid=6237093&mode=all [http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/puzzle/guitarhero5/news.html?sid=6237093&mode=all]
WHO'S THE MORON NOW?!
It's funny that people kept spouting how superior the PS3 was despite it being 200 bucks more expensive than the 360.
And now that it's cheaper they're saying it even more.
But I wonder... whether the price cut actually helps any of the real PS3 fans whom already bought the PS3 earlier and had to pay that extra 200 bucks...
LOL you're a retard, you didn't even read that shit. So are you sucking nintendo's cock hoping they'll hire you? LOL, dumbass.
Oh wow, 10:29. All that tells us is that Nintendo is STILL beating the pants off both Sony and Microsoft.
Of course there are more 360 in american/european household, because you have to own TONS of them if they RROD on you or you get yourself banned. LOGIC!
But I have to say, unusable 360s....never had a better doorblocker before ;D
nextgenwars says more than 7mio more 360s than PS3s...it doesn't matter where you look, there are more 360s.
Hey guys i know it's totally not trustworthy, but VGchartz says 32.82m 360s and 26.06 PS3s sold so far. I guess Anon 03:51 is right.
Hey guys i know it's totally not trustworthy
Quoted for truth.
same to you, fake a site for your info as well.
Not to mention 360 came out a YEAR before the PS3. In the beginning us PS3 fanboys knew that console was going to be an investment, and it is. With the now lowered prices that is becoming less true and the greater gaming community is seriously comparing the two consoles. As time goes on the tide will incrementally favor Sony's superior and competitive PS3.
Almost as retarded as those Macfag commercials. Almost.
Console wars are serious business.
Indeed
any kind of war is a serious business.war is the fastest source of income
Too bad the consumers are generally the casualties of war, instead of the games produced.
Indeed. In fact, as of right now the real casualties of the war seems to be all those workers that the production companies are laying off.
Actually, no. Sure, consumers loses in some aspects, like game exclusivity and port issues. But overall competition is good for consumers because companies compete to offer a more appealing product. The consumers truly lose when one player monopolizes the whole market, then consumers would have to put up with whatever they produce. If M$ wasn't around, S*ny would have set PS3 at a much higher price point(such that they actually make a profit from selling the console) and you can forget about the price cut.