Left 4 Dead developer Valve has condemned the PS3 and scotched any notion that the series will be appearing on the PS3, saying the Xbox 360 community is “head and shoulders above the PS3.”
In recent comments, Valve says it thinks the “community aspects” of the Xbox 360 are superior, although they generously concede the PC may not be wholly inferior:
“Right now for Left 4 Dead 2 we’re looking at PC and 360 because the community aspects really fit the game – it’s all about playing with your friends.
In hooking up with your friends and the community aspects, I think the Xbox 360 is head and shoulders above the PS3. The 360 and PC are on par, right?”
They sound worried people might hold out for a PS3 version for some reason, and so are keen to quash this:
“But that’s the short term. What we’re looking at for the long term… if it works out, it works out. Right now don’t not buy it on the 360 because you think it’s coming out on the PS3 – it’s not going to. Right? It’s coming out on the PC and 360. It’s going to be exclusive for that.”
Earlier E3 comments from Valve echoed these sentiments, but blamed the PS3’s poorer development tools:
“The PC and the 360 are just more straightforward. We can focus on what we want to do, which is make game experiences, instead of sweating bullets over obscure architectural decisions they make with their platform.
I didn’t come into this business in the 90s because of some technical fetish. I came in because I wanted to give people experiences that made them have fun.”
Saying “we got a huge development subsidy from Microsoft to keep it exclusive, right?” just doesn’t sound as good…
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Hah, the usual Valve.
great... cuz people can Download Xbox 360 & PC version....
And in a year buy the PS3 version. This are typical staff that companies says to make people buy the product even if they are gone release it in other consoles.
"right? ...right? ......right?"
sorry but PC gaming surpasses all forms of gaming.
Yuke:
Esp in the shooters division.
Don't worry, it's not japanese so it's not like tales. It still won't come to ps3.
whatever Xbox sucks anyway
I agree with you guys somewhat and I have one thing to say to Artefact. I own both consoles but this article definately had some butthurt reaction. All you did thar was use Vesperia as a means to say "oh well ps3 still has one up in this respect". I've always favoured the 360, hey i might turn with the recent news of a chance of the ps3 finally get cross chat but until that update comes I will always say that the ps3 is inferior, pretty much for that single reason. None gives a shit about in-game chat, this goes for mostly everyone, but we want to be able to chat whenever we want with no restrictions, and ps3 certainly does fail in alot of online aspects, but I guess the ps3 fanboys can blame who was it? EA? For stopping ps3 cross-chat. The ps3 is even growing on me lately the more i play tekken 6, but i stand by my words. Until the ps3 gets cross-chat it can suck everyones dick, because as a fan of consoles in general, we, the gamers deserve all the console can offer, fact-e-mondo.
it's ok, the ps3 was made for otakus to play by themselves.
Well ...honestly imo first person shooters should only be played on PC but that's just me.Somehow shooter on a console is wrong for me.
PC+PS3+DS lite owner talking.
Yeah, I just can't stand FPS's on consoles anymore...I usually play on my computer, but when I was over at a friend's house, I tried it on his xbox...it just doesn't have the same level of control playing with a mouse does...
"Saying “we got a huge development subsidy from Microsoft to keep it exclusive, right?” just doesn’t sound as good…
"
Err, no. Its in the text, Valve doesn't want to bother with the architectural difference of the PS3 to Xbox360/PC. This just shows how keen they are on making games for the PC (which I really apreciate).
Also, I always burst in laugther watching Multiplayer Shooters on Console. Auto Aim, "Shields", and you have to almost touch the enemy to get a clean shoot. It really is just a joke.
If Square can do it, why can't Valve? If all these other companies can produce quality games on the ps3, and valve (among others) can't, doesn't that just mean that valve is simply inferior to those other companies? Activision has no problem delivering to every console, for example, and the ps3 has exclusive developers even. So, the only two things that make sense are either that A) Valve is getting a boatload of money from the MS people, or B) Valve simply cannot program worth anything. Correct me if I am wrong, but don't most graphics engines (unreal, oblivion, and others) work just as well on both platforms. And let's not forget Bethesda here, but at least they converted....
The reason Valve can't do it is because they are not true full developers. Their "own" engine is a modification on work of a true developer, you may have heard of them, it's a little company called "id".
In the end we won't see them to anything but modify "their" source engine until Carmack and his team finish the Tech 5 engine. Then Valve will probably use it to create a "new" engine and claim they did a bulk of the hard work. They did it with Half-life on the quake engine, they did it with Source with the Tech 3 and 4 engine.
Valve makes good games, don't get me wrong, but they get to much credit for Source when they have to rely so much of it's core structure to another company.
Because of this, whenever they talk trash about developing on complex hardware, I really can't take them seriously compared to companies like Dice, Criterion, Epic, etc, who actually made their own engines in their entirety from the ground up.
You know, the Source engine is like 99% Valve code. You are thinking of GoldSrc, the original thing that is very distantly related to Source.
It's not a question of "can" or "can't". It's a question of not bothering because of the unnecessary extra work they would have to go through if they wanted to make games for PS3 and they (Valve) does not WANT to put that extra time & money into that.
While I love my PS3, I understand why from a business stand point. Yes, it would sell on PS3, but would it sell enough to make up for the extra money spent on it? Probably not.
I have to agree with kamanashi, its technically possible but when you get down to it, it's a bitch to make anything for the ps3 and have it actually use the platforms hardware to its fullest.
Valve is in a position where they don't have to do it, so why would they?
Don't forget - most companies OUTSORUCE porting to the PS3, usually resulting in poor quality work. Valve is committed to quality, and while their statements make them sound like suits and not techs (he did say that) it does say they refuse to let their code go to another place to be ported. They're highly protective of their property, and for good reasons.
In the end, they know the PC, and the 360 is a direct port of that. The PS3 has a lot of technical work to get titles to be the best. It's always fuzzed me a bit when people talk about "not being able to use the playstation hardware to its fullest" until 3-5 years after launch. Why can't they make development simple enough so that people can put excellent games without going to all the trouble? That, IMO, is what Valve is saying here.
Sure, MS prolly pays them, of that I don't think anyone has doubt. But either they got a bonus for raggin the PS3, or they made a stupid move and MS knows they're sold, and can cut their bribes in half now.
Seeing as how little games Valve puts out, I don't think it could possibly add any more time to development.
outsourcing leads to fail, look at bayoneta.
i fully agree. if you're hooked up to one platform (DirectX in this case), it's not straightforward to port an engine to a totally different platform.
a different company might have years of experience with opengl - for them a windows/360 port would be a huge pain in the ass.
other companies develop their engines with a multiplatform concept in mind from the start - like the unreal 3 engine. while it still hasn't been ported to, for example, mac os x, it supports directx and opengl targets out of the box, so it's easy to port games to both windows, 360 and ps3 without huge differences in quality.
Actually, porting a game to another system, (Xbox 360 to PS3 and vice versa) typically only adds around 5%-10% of the development cost. This is the reason most developers are making games for both systems, the risk is relatively low compared to the potential gains.
With this in mind, simply claiming that the PS3 is too difficult to create games for just seems unlikely. Even if we were to double the development cost to 20%, it's still a relatively low risk to take.
The "subsidy" comment at the end of the article is a sort of hint that there are other hidden factors to why Valve will not port the game over. Whether it's true or not is subject to another discussion, of course...
Well...honestly imo everything should be on the PC.
From strategy, RPGs, and even friggen puzzles.
Death to consoles
Hey, I'm actually thinking about a handheld which is oriented after the PC, with way less restrictive Firmware. But the Softwaredevelopers would have to pull on that idea too, or else it'll end like those many Open Source Handhelds with practically no fun games.
You lost me at handheld. Handhelds fail so hard, its not even funny. Look at the 4 different nintendo DS or the 3 PSP. Upgrades are minimal and it's buying the same device at the same price over and over. No customizing and not to mention small screens, bad controls and limited capabilities.
I agree, games should be PC only, it might be costly but a $600 PC can last you 2 good years of gaming and you can always gradually update at a small price.
a 600 dollar PC wont even play 'current' games let alone games for 2 years. try again
Try again, it can. I just bought one at that price recently and it runs the newest games just fine. You just half to be smart enough to find a cheap good one.
I agree on FPS being for PC only. It totally sucks to play FPS on console. When it comes to the likes of Action-Adventure though, I prefer to play those on console.
Nice dodge Valve.(sarcasm)
Even if a developer doesn't like the PS3, they wouldn't give up tens of thousands of sales just because it's a little tricky to develop on it. It's the same with a lot of other exclusives. There are plenty of developers who released on both consoles in a timely fashion. For valve to essentially say "it's too hard" is complete S***.
Maybe if Microsoft stopped bribing developers, they'd have the money to keep those 5000 people they laid off.
It's not worth it, porting it to PS3 that is.
They would probably outsource or hire new personnel, and then work on it, then production, distribution and maintenance. The possible sales would be low, because the game's fanbase is already hooked on L4D and are current 360 or PC users, PS3 users might not be so interested in a sequel.
In my opinion, I think they (the valve) said this because they are just to lazy to reprogramme the game into a ps3-typed game. Extra work is just too nasty....
In a way, its just too tiring. PS3 already has monopoly on other titles.
Community play still goes to the XBox platform supporting Halo and other team-network play. So its a good choice, Valve!
Yeah... Valve is the big brother of Xbox 360.
I don't see why anyone should care. If you want games like Left 4 Dead you know Microsoft is the way to go. If you want games like Ar Tonelico, it's all about Sony. Nobody's losing anything with Valve supporting the Xbox.
It's not that they're lazy, it's more that Valve MD Gabe Newell spent 12 years working at Microsoft:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabe_Newell
Asking him which console he thinks is better is about as sensible as asking Steve Ballmer - it's pretty obvious what he's going to say.
This news article is like reporting that Ken Kutaragi thinks the PS3 is better than the 360 or that the sky is blue. It's all pretty obvious.
Actually, Gabe is/was pretty dissatisfied with microsoft itself. So nope, your reason is wrong.
You shouldn't say that unless you've attempted to balance and synchronize multiple threads. Sony really went off the deep end with 8 cores. There is an apparent gap between hardware and software technology.
That said, Valve might not have a tech fetish but the folks at Crytek surely do. Then again, they're German.
The Cell does not have 7 cores. It has one PPC Core and 7 SPEs. There is a HUGE difference between SPEs and processor cores.
which is?
A great deal of processing power.
Agreed, Valve is full of lazy little shits.
Its not just Valve was says this. I read many big names say programming for PS3 is just a pain for no reason at all! Sony just got cocky the gen.
yeah its not that big of a deal to rewrite 1 million+ lines of code at all...
thank god, dont ever want to see that shit game on ps3
same here
Thank God I have PC and PS3 dont want to see that shitty game on PS3 cuz i already have a rig to play that game. so who care?
that game is shit i dont want it on my PC, no thank you crysis is the way to go, fuck ps3
Crysis?
HAHAHAHA
Go fuck yourself. Crysis is a piece of shit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XzRF9A3Gf4
Seriously though, the amount of butthurt in here is fucking hilarious.
Silly Anon! It's all about graphics and bragging about cores. It has nothing to do with gameplay or store. Geeze....
You haven't even played Crysis. The graphics in Crysis own all the fucking games you have put together. Does any other game you have got 6400 by 3600 res? Does anything you have beat the amount of antialiasing it can handle? NO GAMING CONSOLE HAS THE SHEER POWER TO EVEN APPROACH CRYSIS.
And for the video, every goddamn game has glitches, especially in an open world game like crysis. The fact that they lowered the glitch rate that much is impressive.
of course. thanks valve for not putting your "innovative" games in the ps3. sorry for the bad english.
"This game isnt on my favourite console so I'm going to say it sucks. BAWWWWW"
PS3 fanboys are epic fail. They did this with The Ballad of Gay Tony as well. Saying L4D sucks means either you haven't played it, or you have no friends.
I played both the PC and 360 versions and both were solid. The xbox controller is probably the best designed controller in existence (anything to the contrary is usually fueled by nostalgia and no actual merit).
If I was a developer of any type of game, and I had to pick between "Well designed console, strong community, easy to developer and cost effective" vs "Higher space capacity, weak community, lack of incentive, difficult to develop, expensive and time consuming", guess which one i would pick.
Sony: Ousted!
Tried the demo for left for dead II and it feels so satisfying killing a horde of zombies. It's a great way to let out some steam. Pun intended.
lf4 dead isnt evne that good i meant yeh its true its good game about friends getting togehter and killing a horde of zombies thats it
Hey can I play left 4 dead with you? You will play as a boomer and I'll blow you into pieces.
Since you can't kill any of the other special infected? Haha.
"It’s coming out on the PC and 360. It’s going to be exclusive for that.”
...exclusive for that.”
And this is why we learn history in school, children.
i c wut u did thar
I didn't enjoy L4D so i don't expect ill enjoy L4D2. Am i the only one who still prefers his zombie games to be survival horror in the strain of resident evil 1-3.
How can you forget about silent hill?
Probably because those game don't have zombies? Most of what's in 'Silent Hill' are figments of an overly imaginative protagonist being ampped up by the town or what is inside it.
"Am i the only one who still prefers his zombie games to be survival horror in the strain of resident evil 1-3."
IMO the point of Left 4 Dead is first and foremost to provide a compelling co-op experience. Being a good zombie game is secondary.
That's why bots control the extra survivors if you don't have four players, instead of there only being [1-3] players.
Since 360 have more user base than PS3, this could work out. But if the situation is more like Xbox vs PS2, would they still insist on creating it for the PC and Xbox only or they will try harder to make the PS version good enough? or they wouldn't make any console version at all?
hm....
I say "check your numbers again."
360 only got a bigger user base in North America.
In Europe and Japan its PS3 that has the bigger userbase.
But Yeah, them saying its too hard to program is just BS.
Valve has been my hero in a various amount of ways, this is no exception.
the idea of "playing with friends" implies that PS3 has no online gameplay at all... which kinda makes them sound purposely ignorant to the what the PS3 can do. >.>
I actually wouldn't want the series on the PS3 anyway, knowing developers, they'd just half-ass it in the end, then they complain say it was too hard to do.
I don't know about you, but isn't mastering difficult programming and work part of the field?
agreed, i played Left 4 dead and didn't really feel that the game was worth the $60, gameplay did get old fast.
my friend rented it, and we played it all the way through (with 4-people, the AI are assholes)
nothing to sell a system over in our opinion. and trust me, I've got no real affiliation to any system, but when I hear shit like this it makes me wonder just how hard developers are willing to try to make a good game...
they made a decent game, just nothing to go buying 360's over
rent it, and let's hope the 2nd one will be better... but I doubt that...
Valve doesn't want to work with the PS3, and the one time they let a third party handle the port, it was garbage, so now they just don't do PS3 at all. Not that it matters, imho. Valve makes PC games. Why would you want to play them on either console?
Err, ever considered how hard it is to make a game? And how big the risk of failure is, with millions spent just fluttering away? Team Valve just CAN'T do PS3 simple as that. Ever wondered why multi-plattform games suck way more often then exclusive-Plattform ones? They're doing it for the PC and polish for that plattform, and they also port it down to the XBox 360 because of the similar architecture.
And this isn't about online capabilities, but about community. I.E. there is a lot of XBox 360 Machinima going, but not so for the PS3.
Anyone who layed any FPS on a CONSOLE has no right to complain abut said FPS.
FPS are made to be played on a PC.
I'm kind of confused about this. What's with all the "console-selling" comments?
OBVIOUSLY L4D 2 isn't going to move consoles. I'm pretty sure that's not the point. I also suspect that if the point were to move consoles, the PC version would be coming out much, much later.
I do agree that they forgot about the PS3 online capabilities.
The PS3 is not similar to a PC so programming anything for it is hard. Plus MS being a programming company to begin with is able to beat Sony in terms of coming out with development tools for games.
But it is also because of this reason above that we know that the PS3 is way superior than the X360.
But then again the console is just a tool. If the programmer cannot make full use of the console capabilities, then the console full capabilities have just gone down the drain. Which something MS has been quite successful in exploiting against the PS3.
Humans are just lazy people and MS knows that fact pretty well. So giving out money to programmers to create the game based off the Xbox 360 is just a way to ensure that games don't perform as well on the PS3.
Having a complex and difficult development tool doesn't make it "Better". Where did you get that idea?
Why do you think there was more support for Nintendo over Sega, despite Sega always being "superior"?
Hardware superiority doesn't mean shit when its costing your company money and puts out unsatisfactory profit. This is why Kojima is going multiplatform, because the last metal gear just didn't sell as well as he thought it would. Go to any gamestop or EB games and you'll see the used section full of MGS4s.
Microsoft supports indie developers, 3rd, 2nd and 1st party. This is the sole reason xbox has a strong library, is because they aren't scared to bring in "last gen" type games. Sony is too anal about graphics standards and other BS and that's why jrpgs are still coming out on the PS2 and Xbox first.
ps3, u mad?
I dont understand.This game sucks so bad anyway.
-Graphic like ps2?
-shooting game? ok i get it.
-killing zombie? arent they tired of it.
clearly you're a mastermind, L.
wats even worse - Not Scary At All
Er, what ever you excepted, from L4D, it isn't that. Get yourself RE or something, L4D is survival Horror with a tactical touch.
They are absolutely right in this regard. Although saying that PC and 360 are on equal terms is a bit too much.
Yea, personally I care very little about this at all, it's an FPS, I have my PC for that. When I want to play action games, I have the PS3, so where Valve stands on what console works better for inferior ports of PC games doesn't really matter to me at all.
PC is the most powerful console. You can play anything with it!
Agree
if all game in the world can be played with PC Any of PS3, X-box 360 or any platform
is outmatched by PC by specs
off course you need Super Hi End PC to enjoy it to the fullest
and it cost more money than buy console
in adition PC is not mobile
LOL
latest graphic Card can cost a single PS3 unit
You don't need the latest one to be more powerful than any console.
lol, and on your PC you won't have to pay extra for any DLC that Valve releases, because Microsoft likes to milk it for everything its worth.
$8 for a new level, with 2 chapters? You're kidding... No, of course not, this is Microsoft. (When Crash Course came out and we got it for free on PC)
I dare you to run a ps2 emulator on your PC.
What's that? You can't? Only 30FPS? Missing textures?
Consoles exist so people can play on a medium without having to deal with bullshit like graphics cards and drivers. It's cheaper, and more accessible. Even if you have the best hardware, you will never be able to run a PS2 game like a real PS2, or any other 3D console for that matter.
YOU PS3FAGS SURE GOT TOLD
heh, at least we dont pay $60 to play beta games. and L4D was all hype.
If you are talking about ToV, you are a dumbass. Beta is a retarded way to describe the 360 version, your are clearly brainwashed and have never played the 360 version.
Valve is probably thinking about the American market, where the xbox 360 IS head and shoulders above the PS3.
Can't Wait for Left 4 Dead 2 Die 4 You 2 Kill 4 Them
Yes they will have fun...with the...how many different stages in the first game?
Meh, I wasn't even planning on picking this up for Xbox. Probably be too buisy with CoD MW2, Tekken 6: BR, and Forza. So nothing of value was lost....
Uh.. Did you read the article?
why does he keep saying "right?" all the time..
try this: replace all his "right?"s with "ne?"
I can imagine this guy as the Penguin from the 70's Batman
Or, you could replace it with "meow". I think it works out better that way.
"rightwut"right would have been better
Got to love the reaction of the PS3 fags on this site. Cheers and celebrations about a game being graphical superior to that of the 360 version. But when developers mention the fact that its hard programming for there beloved Failstation 3, they get their loli loving panties so far up their butt crack it could be mistaken for a tampon.
lol, yeah..
This is a site for otakus / weaboos after all..
They always think japanese products are better..
When someone say something bad about their beloved console, It's always the same shit "Heh, I wasn't planning to get this game, so whatever.." or "Go play your vesperia beta".. This shit is getting old
Hey boss, I think I found 2 people in a circle jerk over here
MMMMMMMM OK you stroke my ego AAAAAAHHHH all right now I'll stroke your's OOOOOHHHH
Awwwwww! The Playfag learned a new trick! (^.^) Now continue to tell us how the Cell has more cores, even though you have no clue how a SPE works.
Pretty much, yeah.
Lulz, I love it when people try up with witty names to insult PS3, like Failstation. I had a better laugh when i read "sable grill" though.
xbox360 = PC disguised as a console
PS3 = ACTUAL console..
all these PCgame fag programmers always take the easy way and program for 360, then either a)do an inferior ps3 port, or b)ignore ps3 altogether...
but whatever, there is heaps of good games out there for both
Wow! The PS3 is an ACTUAL CONSOLE.
You have highlighted the critical difference. It's all clear now.
The PS3 HAS to be superior, it's a CONSOLE after all.
Actually no, both systems' GPUs (the Xbox 360's Xenos and the PlayStation 3's RSX) are based on PC video card technology, hell they're even designed by ATi and nVIDIA themselves, respectively!
But the main architecture of both, the CPU and mainboard, are mostly based on Power Architecture (you can read more about that here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_Architecture), which has absolutely nothing to do with standard PC x86 architecture. Actually, they'd be more related with old Macs running on Motorola processors, if anything.
So the fact is that Microsoft's XNA really does "beat" Sony's PS3 SDK as far as ease of porting goes.
You are right, Zero. The only huge difference between the two is the SPE's vs. modified PPC triple core. If it wasn't for that, dare I say that both systems would be the same except for graphics cards, bust speed, pipeline size, memory handling, and other small differences.
This generation isn't like the last ones. There are no major difference in platforms that warrant a "console war".
^This
There isn't much on one console that can't be done with the other(besides the wii), it all comes down to the most important part in the end, the games of course.
L4D was fun but it got tiring rather quickly... I'll probably just be renting the sequel. To Ps3 owners hoping the game might come to their system, your not missing too much. (its fun don't get me wrong, just not a game worth paying 60 bucks for IMO)
I like how they say "It's coming out for PC and 360. It's going to be exclusive for that." If they can take M$' dick out of their mouth for a minute they can look up the definition of exclusive.
If you take your head out of your ass for a minute, you can realize that both Windows and Xbox 360 are from Microsoft.
ex⋅clu⋅sive [ik-skloo-siv, -ziv]
-adjective
3. limited to the object or objects designated
Note the pluralization.
I see no issue. As an incredibly nitpicky grammar nazi, I say you fail at being a grammar nazi.
Mr. Anon, you sould make an account here, and and use "Grammer Nazi" as your screen name. I give you my blessing on this matter.
Well what can i say except
Grabbing pills
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UZjgBvyheg
gamepad + shooter = fail
no matter what you say m&k wins always.
Owning 90% of Valve's title, I do agree with the sentiment, altho if looked closely, the PC version of their games are the best of the bunch actually. And I owned L4D, but only to revert back to the year old TF2 because it's fun, it's quirky, and ALL OF THE UPDATES ARE FREE by Valve. That what I love about Valve. They have a weird sense of humour that no one really can match in the world of game developemnt AND game distribution right now. The STEAM system on the PC is so awesome that people don't bother to pirate games anymore. Just wait until they are feeling very generous and you can buy game at basically insane prices. I remember the 3 day USD2 offer of TF2 by Valve, and also cheap game weekend just because Gordon Freeman won Gamespot best game hero award. You don't see this happening from other developers. Not to mention that Gabe Newell, valve's head seems to have a tendency of answering every email ever sent to him. Try it.
So when they say the PS3 community is not on par woth the 360 and PC, I don't doubt that.
Right. You reminded me about this rootkit Steam. Hate it. You can be sure that at least 90% of games from steam can be downloaded from the internet without this junk. Even if I would want to buy any of their games, I would put original on shelf just to play my pirated copy (So I did with Portal). If it comes to community, it's all about money. Money they have to put into development and money they can get out of it. If the 2nd is not way, way higher than 1st they simply don't do it. And... isn't it lame not to release the games because it's too hard? Come on, I can hear that from my friends but not from a GAME STUDIO.
I think it is a valid argument. What no one seems to sit down and reflect upon, is that maybe some multiplatform releases get delayed in order for the PlayStation 3 version to ship alongside the Xbox 360 one, which essentially hurts the Xbox 360 market and is pretty damn unfair. I remember many multiplatform releases showing up first for PlayStation and sometime down the line for the Sega Saturn, and that's how it's supposed to be, since the Saturn was a kick in the nuts to program for.
Never heard of this Steam rootkit myself. Then again, I haven't tried out Steam games.
Steam's great, maybe you should try actually paying for your games sometimes instead of demonstrating your destitution.
Much better than retail, you pick games, you give your credit card info, you download, no hassle, no discs, no delivery no boxes, everything can be reinstalled/redownloaded and transferred to other computers without any hassle at any time with no restrictions. Oh AND also it has some nifty functions as a game launcher and community features too.
Super service and you have to be either a pirate or a technophobe to hate on it.
Apparently Anon 00:52 has no idea what a "rootkit" actually is.
What I think is almost never actually discussed, is: why is this so? why the PS3 online community is so weak, if the PSN service is free?
Maybe it has to do with the fact that most of the ways to communicate and interact with each other (chat, voice chat, video chat, trophies, Home) weren't included in the system firmware since its launch, unlike the 360 (which essentially inherited most of them from the original Xbox)?
Or maybe the issue of many buyers really getting the console only for playing Blu-ray Disc movies and nothing more is bigger than most of us think it is?
Why would people still buy first person shooters for consoles? FPS games are obviously meant to play in a PC with a mouse.
Anyway, I didn't liked L4D too much... I prefer playing against other people, not AI.
You played L4D single player?
Yeah, I did. Don't take me wrong, I'm a valve fanboy you can say, but I am critic. It's not because I like most of the games they develop I'll like them all.
CSS is horrible, L4D was an average, not worth the price in my opinion. The others I play is TF2 sometimes and DOD:S like 2 times a semester.
The best thing of Valve games is modding. I just love the Half-Life (Natural Selection) and Half-Life 2 (Pirates, Vikings and Knights II) mods.
it's called VS ..HURR DURR
Strangely enough I find FPS play on PCs to be too lame. It's way too easy to aim and shoot with a mouse and takes less manual dexterity and skill so I've never really cared for the sensation. Frankly both PCs and consoles make shooting too simplistic but there's no easy way of moving closer to a realistic shooting sensation. I doubt most game players would like it anyway when they seen how ineffective they would actually be with a real firearm.
Playing first person shooters on consoles is sometimes like using the mouse wheel on a laptop keyboard.
A mouse is much more accurate, and you don't have to worry about tilting it too far and overshooting your target.
Well, for me the only game worth playing from Valve was Portal. And it wasn't even their idea in the first place. Fuck them lazy asses.
It doesn't matter what Valve says. I do admit that I had fun playing their games but I never think of them as one of those "legendary" developers because they are lazy. Why?
1. All of their games are FPS
2. They focus too much on multiplayer experience
3. Their only game worthy of being called "innovative" is Portal IMO.
4. The graphics of their game always look the same and average. Team Fortress 2 was definitely new but that's just it.
5. Their new games feels...recycled...somehow.
To be honest, I have nothing against Valve because I really do enjoy their games. I look forward to playing L4D2 with my friends and Half-Life 2 Episode 3 but I seriously hate it when a developer bash other games/companies/consoles no matter which side I'm on.
Wow those are some stupid points you made there.
Just because a company focuses on one type of game doesn't mean they're lazy. Companies like Blizzard only made rts'(until WoW) and Square Enix basically just made rgps so do their games suck? Companies have games they're known for making.
And the reason their games look the same is they all use the source engine, which I have no problem with I think its held up well this long and still looks good. Its also optimized to work on older computers.
And just my own personal opinion here, multiplayer > single. Takes more skill to play against a human being then some AI and is a lot more exciting.
blizzard developed diablo 1 and 2 and as far as i remember these games are rpg right?
"Blizzard North" developed Diablo 1 and 2. Same company technically, different division.
Diablo series would like to have a word with you.
They also did the Lost Vikings, Battle Chess II (Chinese Chess), RPM: Radical Psycho Machine Racing, and Rock 'N Roll Racing, while they were still called: Silicon & Synapse.
Other works include: The Death and Return of Superman, Blackthorne and Justice League Task Force.
So that would be platformers, racing, 2d Fighters and a sports game, next to their RTS, Action RPGs (Diablo series) and now MMO.
Id rather play a game on the PC then play it on console anyways.
ps3 fanboys are bitter no doubt, l4d is like crack, great fun.
"The 360 and PC are on par, right?"
Valve must be fucking mad.
Yeah... PC is always ahead of any console... after all, consoles are just lower end PCs made for gaming purpose that uses an ancient pointing device (analog sticks), though I think this is going to be improved soon.
Agreed. Also, FPS games on consoles are retarded. Why would anyone wanna aim using a fucking analog stick instead of a mouse.
Probably on par architecturally. You can treat 360 like PC with less horsepower and less memory. On PS3, you can't! basically the devs need to leverage the SPU to have something remotely on par with 360. So instead of handling CPU+GPU, on PS3 you must handle the CPU(PPU+SPU)+GPU. And although the SPU is part of the CPU, it must handle both the regular CPU duty and GPU duty.
Obviously it's not about the community.. Maybe Microsoft paid them off?
So that's why they released that shitty orange box port to the ps3?
Valve sure are smart - you can pirate the PC and 360 version, while you can't pirate any PS3 games. They'd probably get back the money it takes to recode from people not pirating it.
Shitty company devolping shitty games putting them on shitty consoles.
My friend told me about that Valve doesn't really like PS3, saying it was to hard for them to work with, the community problem they said is just probably bullshit and that there to lazy. Kinda wish it could come out on PS3 so I can play it, but not really a loss seeing how it was far from top proxority for me.
You're right.
They've already made a comment on how they aren't learned enough to develop for the PS3 before this announcement. Sony even offered to help them develop for their system.
Hooray for development subsidies.
Seriously though, Xbro here and you're nt missing CRAP! The game sucks ass.o
I have PS3 and PC. All is well.
x360?
i thought their game in x360 serve as testing for better game in pc
I think if PS3 owners complain that L4D is not coming to the PS3, it's the same as when 360 owners complained that MGS4 is a PS3 exclusive. If you want the game, buy the system.
You shouldn't be playing Left 4 Dead on a console anyway so really I'm not sure what there's a big deal about.
Honestly I could care less about this. Valve games = shit on consoles. Valve on PC = tons of free user created stuff to download (mods n stuff), way more dlc (and a lot of it is free), and access to command console (which is awesome). So if you're gonna play Valve games play them on PC.
Heh...
After playing the first L4D, I wouldn't touch the 2nd one with a 10ft pole. The game as shallow as a dumb blond compared to Resident Evil 5.
I'm more looking forward to the next Half-Life if anything... Valve needs to make their next blockbuster game soon. :)
Actually left 4 dead 2 is considered their next blockbuster game 2 million people have already pre-ordered. Hell, everything Valve make is considered a blockbuster.
Assuming your number is correct, it's probably due to teens and college students who have zombie fetishes and friends to play with.
I'm kind of amazed at the people bashing L4D by comparing it to single-player games.
It was designed to be played as a co-op experience. It's not meant to have a deep story, it's not meant to keep you playing for hours on end per campaign. I think the game is boring as all get-out on single player but add in a couple of friends and/or maybe join a Vs. mode server and it's awesome.
that pic lawd
Value are a bunch of 360 loving fags who lack the intelligence to even operate a ps3 so developing on it would only make there little heads explode.
When will your PS3 game be out? I'm dieing to see what you can do with all that knowledge you acquired by sucking Sony's dick.
Translation: "We like the 360 crowd more because they are louder, more obnoxious and speak only english!!"
Doesn't matter anyway. The only reason they pretend to like the 360 is because it's very similar to PC architecture.
Valve are the worst PC fanboys out there!
And there's nothing wrong with some PC love every now and then.
We tend to get the short end of the stick most of the time, so it's nice to be appreciated every now and then.
Don't be butthurt just because your 600 dollar system didn't come with a 15 dollar headset.
YOU RRoD 360 BETA TESTERS FAGS SURE GOT TOLD.
...is this mandantory in any 360 topic ever?
Yes, kind of like the questioning of your sexual preference is obligatory in any debate/argument.
OP IS A QUEER!
This is their way of saying:
"Our code is crap and it can't run in a good way on PS3"
They have been ranting about how hard and difficult the PS3 is. Maybe they should take a look around on see that there are some pretty good games on PS3 so I wonder who is at fault here.
You need to understand one thing . PS3 architecture is a crap . Sony fucked it and with a poor SDK = FAIL .
Didn't Sony openly admit that their system is difficult to develop for and say that it was on purpose?
Mysterious Voice: "Dick move, Valve. Dick move. You've stabbed your most loyal fanbase in the back with this move. By not putting the game on the PS3, you remove the chance of letting more people in on this wonderful title. Consider the fact that Hideo Kojima himself enjoyed the first Left 4 Dead. Since the 360 is essentially over in Japan, the sales for the Japanese market have essentially been lost. I can't think of one possible reason why this is a good idea."
To sell more Xbox 360s. When it comes down to it, 360 needs all the help it can get. Besides, I thought you were for your PC Gaming Master Race, so why are you complaining about it not being on the PS3?
Mysterious Voice: "It's called sales. What if people, heaven forbid, are too stupid to own a PC?"
Then they get the 360 version, as was the plan. Are you always so pig-headed?
Mysterious Voice: *gun fires* "That depends; are you?"
You just know there's gonna be a ps3 release now.
lololol at the ps3 fan boys QQ'ing.... you know that HAD the game come on the PS3 they'd be lapping it up anyway. ROFL.
Valve is first and foremost a PC developer anyway and I wouldn't wanna play their games on either of the consoles. Same goes for Blizzard, not like they plan to release any console games that is.
Fanboys are such idiots and so quick to judge everything lol.
play dragon age on the xbox360 and PS3 and then say the xbox360 version is head & shoulders above the PS3 then...
yup dragon age is fugly on the xbox360, allot more fugly than the PS3.
but who buys a PC game on a console anyway? it's like people getting a valve game on a sucky console.
as if PS3 owners don't have enough money to have a decent pc? also online is fully free on the PC...
uh-huh sure
Remember when Resident Evil 4 was a Gamecube exclusive
howd long that last
And the only reason most Japanese games are PS3 exclusive is purely because the PS3 is Japanese. As if it has anything to do with anything other than that. If it was the 360 vs the PS1 they'd still prefer to put games on PS1 because "it's Japanese"... doesn't matter if the PS3 is a bloated mishmash of half a dozen different ideas sloppy slapped together by Sony.
Oh, and I'm not just a loony 360 fanboy, I owned a PS3. And guess what, it broke after a year, and Sony wanted hundreds of dollars to fix it after THEIR FORCED SOFTWARE UPDATE BROKE IT. Seriously, fuck Sony to hell. At least Microsoft came clean and offered the extended warranty on RROD.
"At least Microsoft came clean" LMAO
I am aware that some PS3 owners want to play Left 4 Dead 2, but that isn't really the reason for all the hate Valve gets from PS3 owners. Valve has two options; either develop for the PS3 or shut the fuck up. It's comments like :
"The PS3 is a waste of everybody's time"
"I don't think they're going to make money off their box."
"a total disaster on so many levels"
"I'd say, even at this late date, they should just cancel it and do a do over"
and most recently
"The Xbox 360 community is “head and shoulders above the PS3.”"
If Valve just said they simply don't want to develop for the PS3 and left it at that, all would be well. After all Epic isn't getting any hate for not bringing Gears of War to the PS3 and neither is Ubisoft for Splinter Cell: Conviction. It is irresponsible for any sensible company, especially one of Valve's standing to purposefully alienate a potential userbase (one growing very rapidly) with incendiary comments.
I like how you put your statement: " any sensible company". It's quite obvious from their numerous ignorant statements that they are in fact, not sensible in the least. You cannot oust the PS3 userbase as 1) They own the console wars in Japan and Europe as many before me have said, and 2)the 360's fanbase is full of bootleggers and hackers. I read a post the other day that stated that MS is "finally taking action" and trying to get rid of the prolific hacking and such. I've never personally played L4D, my friend says it was great when he first got it, and after that I didnt hear from him again about the game. And the last time I checked, PS3 has no reference to a box of any kind, theres only one box in the console war and its a sinking ship.
360's fanbase is full of bootleggers and hackers? Well fuck me! Here I thought I was playing CoD4 on the PS3 with it's flying, god-mode morons. Silly Microsoft must of put a PS3 inside a 360 case.
I wish I did own a 360. At least they clean out the shit every once in a while. Sony doesn't give a fuck about us until it's something that steals money from their pockets. I haven't seen a hacker yet on CoD4 for 360, yet you can't get away from them on the PS3 until it was updated to hell and back. As for bootleggers, give it enough time and we'll be seeing some bootleggers when blu-ray prices drop. I'm so fucking sick of hackers on PSN that it isn't every funny.
hey, just cause you suck ass in the game doesn't mean everyone else are hacking.
On yes! It's me! So, tell me Costcotaker, what button do I push to make me fly in CoD? Or how about falling through the ground? Make myself disappear? How about freezing every in fucking place while you kill them?! *Ok, that last one is a lag switch, but I just learned that 20 minutes ago and can be used on any system, even PCs.*
Ever want a taste of my metal punk ass, hit me up in Killzone. I'll be happy to splatter your brain bits all over the walls. Name the place and time. <3
It's not a hack, it's an exploit from level design bugs. There is no hacking on the PS3. Their encryption technology is bananas and has yet to be cracked even all these years it's been out with an entire scene working on it, which is why you don't see any bootlegs on the PS3.
Left4Dead on the 360, however, is hacked to hell. I've seen people the size of buildings raining down molotovs all over the place, spawn truckloads of guns, noclipping, creating flash mobs of zombies on command, carpeting the streets in tanks, etc.
I too, think that Valve could've just said "We're not developing for the PS3".
However, I can sort of understand the desire to vent, especially after spending lots of time, money and effort to code for something that, in the end, bears no fruit.
So before jumping on the "Valve is lazy" bandwagon, I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt. The fact that they "claim" that the PS3 is a bith to develop for, implies that they HAVE tried.
Try is basically a euphamism in programming for lazy. If you can learn how to program at all, you can learn how to program for anything. It's all about effort, and most people don't like the prospects of learning something new. Valve just thinks about having to learn something new, then says "forget it" while trying to cover up their ineptitude and fanboyism.
their idea of fun is shooting everything in sight, problem is the put so little interest in architectural matters that people got bored, and found it a lot more fun to take their guns to the street and shoot people, real fun isn't it?
This guy sounds like quite a noob to be honest.
This amuses me a great deal. The Xbox is just plain good at FPS. The PS3 has its RPGs (which I envy). The Wii specializes in platformers. Each console has their strong point.
So what if Xbox got a shooter? The odds are that if someone has an Xbox it's for shooters, or for WRPGs. PS3 got an updated Tales game. Wii has... Aside from Rune Factory Frontier I can't think of any interesting 3rd party games they've acquired that wasn't on another console first... But I'm still a Nintendo fangirl, damn it!
Its Witch!!!!!
Gabe Newell is just a big fat fanboy no better than your average /v/ poster.
This whole thing reminds me of the Ali G show, where Bruno and 2 critics bash celeb photos, but then Bruno points out that Paris Hilton's family has a finger in the show's production, and they do a 180 and say she's not a class-less whore. It's pretty funny.
Honestly, if it is between me buying another 360 to play LFD2, getting the CPU version, or not playing it, I'm choosing not playing it. Non FPS action games never feel right on the computer, and the 360 is a nightmare in every regards (countless hidden fees that make the 360 the most expensive system on the market, constant worrying about the system dying should you decide to play it, constant fear of being a beta tester for new games, and not to mention the entire online player base being arrogant highschool or younger morons and drunken party-college fratboy idiots. I'd sooner pay to be sodomized and gangbanged by a herd of AIDS infected water buffalo than willingly go online and interact with these people). I like zombies, but I don't need this game to get my zombie fix. If you haven't notived, we are in the zombie, werewolf, and vampire golden age.
Coming soon! Next year Left 4 Dead 3 on the PS3. LOL Like Valve gonna give up easy money. Looks like 360 Beta US style. LOL
"Right now for Left 4 Dead 2 we’re looking at PC and 360 because the community aspects really fit the game – it’s all about playing with your friends."
Apparently the PS3 community is full of loners, since when?
Since always.
I don't recall ever finding a PS3 active at a house party with 12 people trying to play Resistance 2.
Maybe because PS3 is a console designed for japanese men who live by themselves and therefore, justify the fact that the majority of the games are single player oriented.
Wii is a great party console. 360 is great at both parties and online. I have a hardcore ps3 fanboy friend, who bought a 360 for Modern Warfare 2 EVEN THOUGH it was coming for PS3 as well. Why is that? Maybe because 90% of his friends had it for 360. He comes over every weekend to play Cod4 on 360 anyways, so mind as well just get one himself.
its the cash dude.
"In hooking up with your friends and the community aspects, I think the Xbox 360 is head and shoulders above the PS3. The 360 and PC are on par, right?”
why in the world would they make a comment like that? do they have anything to back that up?. i officially dont like em now. all they had to say is that its xbox exclusive. not pull bs out there ass. also games that had time spent on them actually sell ****loads on the ps3. they seem really lazy.
To artefact: What he's saying about the development tools is true, wether he's paid by microsoft to keep it exclusive or not.
i only play fps on pc anyway so whatever help you sleep at night valve.
lol valve
First thing, to all the people who are saying L4D sucks because the single-player sucks, L4D is not meant to be a single player game. If you are solely playing for that reason, you are wasting your money. Bots are stupid as hell and it's simply not fun playing with/against bots. FPS'es, at least good ones, are all about the multiplayer experience. For example (not saying these games are uber awesome), why is Counterstrike:Source and Call of Duty series praised by a lot of people. The answer is it is because it has good multiplayer capabilities and a good community, generally. Same goes with L4D. L4D is actually unique in the FPS genre due to the survival/horror elements to it.
Second, L4D is a PC game first, then a console game next. I may be ignorant, but I still don't see the benefits of playing a FPS on console when a mouse and keyboard can do the job way better. Things like "auto-aim" and "auto-targeting" imo is lame and ruins the experience. I'm sure a lot of "pro-FPS" players will bag this point too. Hence, I see no point in people buying a FPS on a console if you have a computer capable of playing it. Only reason you would get it on a console is if you have a shitty computer.
Thirdly, PS3/XBoX360 fanboys, lay off it seriously. Stuff like "Haha, my console has a better game and it's exclusive to my console" or "Pff, that game is shit anyway. I don't care it's on my console" is getting really lame. Just get both consoles and play games on both. P
Personally, I have a pretty decent PC and a PS3 so I've been playing good games on those. Planning to get an xbox360 this Christmas and gonna buy/play good games on those. Reasons I didn't get an xbox360 earlier was because I couldn't afford both consoles at the time and I was dubious about the whole RROD thing, but in practice seems to be way exaggerated. All of my friends own xbox360s and only one of them have had the ring, and they are all semi-hardcore gamers too.
So what's your point?
Haha, lazy. Rewriting over millions of code is lazy.
It wouldn't sell on the PS3 anyway. Small dicked nerds might nerdrage that the bullets don't shine or the hordes are too small.
Xbox is a shitty console, i know. But I bought an Xbox 360 instead of a PS3 cause it has more and better games, while only ps3 games i like are MGS4 and Little big Planet.
Actually this "community" thing does make sense. It's not Valve's fault that majority of Xbox community like actions and shooters, and a lot of PS3 community like games like tactical RPG's and other weird Japanese games (wich often require you to work instead of relax and enjoy. Like level grinding). L4D 2 just wont be this popular on PS3. Especially in Japan where PS3 blooms.
Japanese love Left4Dead just so you know
It doesn't seem like many of these developers are saying stuff like this in a reasonable manner, but more like your average internet retard fanboy would say it. It's like Western developers are heralding the rise of the 100% quality Western console and using the opportunity to unleash all the pent up butthurt fluids building up due to their own gaming industry inferiority complex over Japan resurrecting it.
I dun hold anything negative against Valve..... although i am a PS3 owner....
To be honest i will be more piss off if Valve stop releasing its shooter on PC and only releasing it on X360.
fuck valve. fuck that fatass newell
valve is garbage anyway; they release an uncompleted game (L4D, with 1/4 campaign missions playable in versus at release) and nearly a year later, they decide to release the sequel. very classy.
Team Fortress 2 is awesome.
Wow I wish 360/PC/Ps3 fanboys would stop bashing the shit out of each other. Hell I have all 3 and enjoy the shit out of everyone of their exclusive titles. Uncharted 2 is the shit and so is L4D2. The only people who are missing out on anything are the ones who don't own all 3.
Well xbox 360 has l4d 2 and ps3 has God of war 3. Seems to me like everything is fare.
lol @ the Ps3 fanboys saying a game sucks just because it's not coming to their console.
Oh man! I can't believe some gamers still have the time to play their games fighting amongst themselves as often as they do.
right?
right?
right?
right?
right?
That's fine, I don't think I'm missing a lot here, not like you're FF13 or MW2 or GTA4. So don't sounds like you're a console-buying game series, nobody is buying 360 because of you, unlike Halo or GoW series.