Left 4 Dead developer Valve has condemned the PS3 and scotched any notion that the series will be appearing on the PS3, saying the Xbox 360 community is “head and shoulders above the PS3.”
In recent comments, Valve says it thinks the “community aspects” of the Xbox 360 are superior, although they generously concede the PC may not be wholly inferior:
“Right now for Left 4 Dead 2 we’re looking at PC and 360 because the community aspects really fit the game – it’s all about playing with your friends.
In hooking up with your friends and the community aspects, I think the Xbox 360 is head and shoulders above the PS3. The 360 and PC are on par, right?”
They sound worried people might hold out for a PS3 version for some reason, and so are keen to quash this:
“But that’s the short term. What we’re looking at for the long term… if it works out, it works out. Right now don’t not buy it on the 360 because you think it’s coming out on the PS3 – it’s not going to. Right? It’s coming out on the PC and 360. It’s going to be exclusive for that.”
Earlier E3 comments from Valve echoed these sentiments, but blamed the PS3’s poorer development tools:
“The PC and the 360 are just more straightforward. We can focus on what we want to do, which is make game experiences, instead of sweating bullets over obscure architectural decisions they make with their platform.
I didn’t come into this business in the 90s because of some technical fetish. I came in because I wanted to give people experiences that made them have fun.”
Saying “we got a huge development subsidy from Microsoft to keep it exclusive, right?” just doesn’t sound as good…
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This guy sounds like quite a noob to be honest.
This amuses me a great deal. The Xbox is just plain good at FPS. The PS3 has its RPGs (which I envy). The Wii specializes in platformers. Each console has their strong point.
So what if Xbox got a shooter? The odds are that if someone has an Xbox it's for shooters, or for WRPGs. PS3 got an updated Tales game. Wii has... Aside from Rune Factory Frontier I can't think of any interesting 3rd party games they've acquired that wasn't on another console first... But I'm still a Nintendo fangirl, damn it!
Its Witch!!!!!
their idea of fun is shooting everything in sight, problem is the put so little interest in architectural matters that people got bored, and found it a lot more fun to take their guns to the street and shoot people, real fun isn't it?
I am aware that some PS3 owners want to play Left 4 Dead 2, but that isn't really the reason for all the hate Valve gets from PS3 owners. Valve has two options; either develop for the PS3 or shut the fuck up. It's comments like :
"The PS3 is a waste of everybody's time"
"I don't think they're going to make money off their box."
"a total disaster on so many levels"
"I'd say, even at this late date, they should just cancel it and do a do over"
and most recently
"The Xbox 360 community is “head and shoulders above the PS3.”"
If Valve just said they simply don't want to develop for the PS3 and left it at that, all would be well. After all Epic isn't getting any hate for not bringing Gears of War to the PS3 and neither is Ubisoft for Splinter Cell: Conviction. It is irresponsible for any sensible company, especially one of Valve's standing to purposefully alienate a potential userbase (one growing very rapidly) with incendiary comments.
I like how you put your statement: " any sensible company". It's quite obvious from their numerous ignorant statements that they are in fact, not sensible in the least. You cannot oust the PS3 userbase as 1) They own the console wars in Japan and Europe as many before me have said, and 2)the 360's fanbase is full of bootleggers and hackers. I read a post the other day that stated that MS is "finally taking action" and trying to get rid of the prolific hacking and such. I've never personally played L4D, my friend says it was great when he first got it, and after that I didnt hear from him again about the game. And the last time I checked, PS3 has no reference to a box of any kind, theres only one box in the console war and its a sinking ship.
360's fanbase is full of bootleggers and hackers? Well fuck me! Here I thought I was playing CoD4 on the PS3 with it's flying, god-mode morons. Silly Microsoft must of put a PS3 inside a 360 case.
I wish I did own a 360. At least they clean out the shit every once in a while. Sony doesn't give a fuck about us until it's something that steals money from their pockets. I haven't seen a hacker yet on CoD4 for 360, yet you can't get away from them on the PS3 until it was updated to hell and back. As for bootleggers, give it enough time and we'll be seeing some bootleggers when blu-ray prices drop. I'm so fucking sick of hackers on PSN that it isn't every funny.
It's not a hack, it's an exploit from level design bugs. There is no hacking on the PS3. Their encryption technology is bananas and has yet to be cracked even all these years it's been out with an entire scene working on it, which is why you don't see any bootlegs on the PS3.
Left4Dead on the 360, however, is hacked to hell. I've seen people the size of buildings raining down molotovs all over the place, spawn truckloads of guns, noclipping, creating flash mobs of zombies on command, carpeting the streets in tanks, etc.
hey, just cause you suck ass in the game doesn't mean everyone else are hacking.
On yes! It's me! So, tell me Costcotaker, what button do I push to make me fly in CoD? Or how about falling through the ground? Make myself disappear? How about freezing every in fucking place while you kill them?! *Ok, that last one is a lag switch, but I just learned that 20 minutes ago and can be used on any system, even PCs.*
Ever want a taste of my metal punk ass, hit me up in Killzone. I'll be happy to splatter your brain bits all over the walls. Name the place and time. <3
I too, think that Valve could've just said "We're not developing for the PS3".
However, I can sort of understand the desire to vent, especially after spending lots of time, money and effort to code for something that, in the end, bears no fruit.
So before jumping on the "Valve is lazy" bandwagon, I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt. The fact that they "claim" that the PS3 is a bith to develop for, implies that they HAVE tried.
Try is basically a euphamism in programming for lazy. If you can learn how to program at all, you can learn how to program for anything. It's all about effort, and most people don't like the prospects of learning something new. Valve just thinks about having to learn something new, then says "forget it" while trying to cover up their ineptitude and fanboyism.
And the only reason most Japanese games are PS3 exclusive is purely because the PS3 is Japanese. As if it has anything to do with anything other than that. If it was the 360 vs the PS1 they'd still prefer to put games on PS1 because "it's Japanese"... doesn't matter if the PS3 is a bloated mishmash of half a dozen different ideas sloppy slapped together by Sony.
Oh, and I'm not just a loony 360 fanboy, I owned a PS3. And guess what, it broke after a year, and Sony wanted hundreds of dollars to fix it after THEIR FORCED SOFTWARE UPDATE BROKE IT. Seriously, fuck Sony to hell. At least Microsoft came clean and offered the extended warranty on RROD.
"At least Microsoft came clean" LMAO
Gabe Newell is just a big fat fanboy no better than your average /v/ poster.
Coming soon! Next year Left 4 Dead 3 on the PS3. LOL Like Valve gonna give up easy money. Looks like 360 Beta US style. LOL
This whole thing reminds me of the Ali G show, where Bruno and 2 critics bash celeb photos, but then Bruno points out that Paris Hilton's family has a finger in the show's production, and they do a 180 and say she's not a class-less whore. It's pretty funny.
Honestly, if it is between me buying another 360 to play LFD2, getting the CPU version, or not playing it, I'm choosing not playing it. Non FPS action games never feel right on the computer, and the 360 is a nightmare in every regards (countless hidden fees that make the 360 the most expensive system on the market, constant worrying about the system dying should you decide to play it, constant fear of being a beta tester for new games, and not to mention the entire online player base being arrogant highschool or younger morons and drunken party-college fratboy idiots. I'd sooner pay to be sodomized and gangbanged by a herd of AIDS infected water buffalo than willingly go online and interact with these people). I like zombies, but I don't need this game to get my zombie fix. If you haven't notived, we are in the zombie, werewolf, and vampire golden age.
Fanboys are such idiots and so quick to judge everything lol.
uh-huh sure
Remember when Resident Evil 4 was a Gamecube exclusive
howd long that last
play dragon age on the xbox360 and PS3 and then say the xbox360 version is head & shoulders above the PS3 then...
yup dragon age is fugly on the xbox360, allot more fugly than the PS3.
but who buys a PC game on a console anyway? it's like people getting a valve game on a sucky console.
as if PS3 owners don't have enough money to have a decent pc? also online is fully free on the PC...
"Right now for Left 4 Dead 2 we’re looking at PC and 360 because the community aspects really fit the game – it’s all about playing with your friends."
Apparently the PS3 community is full of loners, since when?
Since always.
I don't recall ever finding a PS3 active at a house party with 12 people trying to play Resistance 2.
Maybe because PS3 is a console designed for japanese men who live by themselves and therefore, justify the fact that the majority of the games are single player oriented.
Wii is a great party console. 360 is great at both parties and online. I have a hardcore ps3 fanboy friend, who bought a 360 for Modern Warfare 2 EVEN THOUGH it was coming for PS3 as well. Why is that? Maybe because 90% of his friends had it for 360. He comes over every weekend to play Cod4 on 360 anyways, so mind as well just get one himself.
its the cash dude.
"In hooking up with your friends and the community aspects, I think the Xbox 360 is head and shoulders above the PS3. The 360 and PC are on par, right?”
why in the world would they make a comment like that? do they have anything to back that up?. i officially dont like em now. all they had to say is that its xbox exclusive. not pull bs out there ass. also games that had time spent on them actually sell ****loads on the ps3. they seem really lazy.
fuck valve. fuck that fatass newell
I dun hold anything negative against Valve..... although i am a PS3 owner....
To be honest i will be more piss off if Valve stop releasing its shooter on PC and only releasing it on X360.
It doesn't seem like many of these developers are saying stuff like this in a reasonable manner, but more like your average internet retard fanboy would say it. It's like Western developers are heralding the rise of the 100% quality Western console and using the opportunity to unleash all the pent up butthurt fluids building up due to their own gaming industry inferiority complex over Japan resurrecting it.
valve is garbage anyway; they release an uncompleted game (L4D, with 1/4 campaign missions playable in versus at release) and nearly a year later, they decide to release the sequel. very classy.
Team Fortress 2 is awesome.
right?
right?
right?
right?
right?
That's fine, I don't think I'm missing a lot here, not like you're FF13 or MW2 or GTA4. So don't sounds like you're a console-buying game series, nobody is buying 360 because of you, unlike Halo or GoW series.
Oh man! I can't believe some gamers still have the time to play their games fighting amongst themselves as often as they do.
Wow I wish 360/PC/Ps3 fanboys would stop bashing the shit out of each other. Hell I have all 3 and enjoy the shit out of everyone of their exclusive titles. Uncharted 2 is the shit and so is L4D2. The only people who are missing out on anything are the ones who don't own all 3.
Well xbox 360 has l4d 2 and ps3 has God of war 3. Seems to me like everything is fare.
lol @ the Ps3 fanboys saying a game sucks just because it's not coming to their console.
To artefact: What he's saying about the development tools is true, wether he's paid by microsoft to keep it exclusive or not.
i only play fps on pc anyway so whatever help you sleep at night valve.
lol valve
Xbox is a shitty console, i know. But I bought an Xbox 360 instead of a PS3 cause it has more and better games, while only ps3 games i like are MGS4 and Little big Planet.
Actually this "community" thing does make sense. It's not Valve's fault that majority of Xbox community like actions and shooters, and a lot of PS3 community like games like tactical RPG's and other weird Japanese games (wich often require you to work instead of relax and enjoy. Like level grinding). L4D 2 just wont be this popular on PS3. Especially in Japan where PS3 blooms.
Japanese love Left4Dead just so you know
First thing, to all the people who are saying L4D sucks because the single-player sucks, L4D is not meant to be a single player game. If you are solely playing for that reason, you are wasting your money. Bots are stupid as hell and it's simply not fun playing with/against bots. FPS'es, at least good ones, are all about the multiplayer experience. For example (not saying these games are uber awesome), why is Counterstrike:Source and Call of Duty series praised by a lot of people. The answer is it is because it has good multiplayer capabilities and a good community, generally. Same goes with L4D. L4D is actually unique in the FPS genre due to the survival/horror elements to it.
Second, L4D is a PC game first, then a console game next. I may be ignorant, but I still don't see the benefits of playing a FPS on console when a mouse and keyboard can do the job way better. Things like "auto-aim" and "auto-targeting" imo is lame and ruins the experience. I'm sure a lot of "pro-FPS" players will bag this point too. Hence, I see no point in people buying a FPS on a console if you have a computer capable of playing it. Only reason you would get it on a console is if you have a shitty computer.
Thirdly, PS3/XBoX360 fanboys, lay off it seriously. Stuff like "Haha, my console has a better game and it's exclusive to my console" or "Pff, that game is shit anyway. I don't care it's on my console" is getting really lame. Just get both consoles and play games on both. P
Personally, I have a pretty decent PC and a PS3 so I've been playing good games on those. Planning to get an xbox360 this Christmas and gonna buy/play good games on those. Reasons I didn't get an xbox360 earlier was because I couldn't afford both consoles at the time and I was dubious about the whole RROD thing, but in practice seems to be way exaggerated. All of my friends own xbox360s and only one of them have had the ring, and they are all semi-hardcore gamers too.
So what's your point?
Haha, lazy. Rewriting over millions of code is lazy.
It wouldn't sell on the PS3 anyway. Small dicked nerds might nerdrage that the bullets don't shine or the hordes are too small.
gamepad + shooter = fail
no matter what you say m&k wins always.
L4D was fun but it got tiring rather quickly... I'll probably just be renting the sequel. To Ps3 owners hoping the game might come to their system, your not missing too much. (its fun don't get me wrong, just not a game worth paying 60 bucks for IMO)
I like how they say "It's coming out for PC and 360. It's going to be exclusive for that." If they can take M$' dick out of their mouth for a minute they can look up the definition of exclusive.
If you take your head out of your ass for a minute, you can realize that both Windows and Xbox 360 are from Microsoft.
ex⋅clu⋅sive [ik-skloo-siv, -ziv]
-adjective
3. limited to the object or objects designated
Note the pluralization.
I see no issue. As an incredibly nitpicky grammar nazi, I say you fail at being a grammar nazi.
Mr. Anon, you sould make an account here, and and use "Grammer Nazi" as your screen name. I give you my blessing on this matter.
Well what can i say except
Grabbing pills
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UZjgBvyheg
Owning 90% of Valve's title, I do agree with the sentiment, altho if looked closely, the PC version of their games are the best of the bunch actually. And I owned L4D, but only to revert back to the year old TF2 because it's fun, it's quirky, and ALL OF THE UPDATES ARE FREE by Valve. That what I love about Valve. They have a weird sense of humour that no one really can match in the world of game developemnt AND game distribution right now. The STEAM system on the PC is so awesome that people don't bother to pirate games anymore. Just wait until they are feeling very generous and you can buy game at basically insane prices. I remember the 3 day USD2 offer of TF2 by Valve, and also cheap game weekend just because Gordon Freeman won Gamespot best game hero award. You don't see this happening from other developers. Not to mention that Gabe Newell, valve's head seems to have a tendency of answering every email ever sent to him. Try it.
So when they say the PS3 community is not on par woth the 360 and PC, I don't doubt that.
Right. You reminded me about this rootkit Steam. Hate it. You can be sure that at least 90% of games from steam can be downloaded from the internet without this junk. Even if I would want to buy any of their games, I would put original on shelf just to play my pirated copy (So I did with Portal). If it comes to community, it's all about money. Money they have to put into development and money they can get out of it. If the 2nd is not way, way higher than 1st they simply don't do it. And... isn't it lame not to release the games because it's too hard? Come on, I can hear that from my friends but not from a GAME STUDIO.
Steam's great, maybe you should try actually paying for your games sometimes instead of demonstrating your destitution.
Much better than retail, you pick games, you give your credit card info, you download, no hassle, no discs, no delivery no boxes, everything can be reinstalled/redownloaded and transferred to other computers without any hassle at any time with no restrictions. Oh AND also it has some nifty functions as a game launcher and community features too.
Super service and you have to be either a pirate or a technophobe to hate on it.
Apparently Anon 00:52 has no idea what a "rootkit" actually is.
I think it is a valid argument. What no one seems to sit down and reflect upon, is that maybe some multiplatform releases get delayed in order for the PlayStation 3 version to ship alongside the Xbox 360 one, which essentially hurts the Xbox 360 market and is pretty damn unfair. I remember many multiplatform releases showing up first for PlayStation and sometime down the line for the Sega Saturn, and that's how it's supposed to be, since the Saturn was a kick in the nuts to program for.
Never heard of this Steam rootkit myself. Then again, I haven't tried out Steam games.
What I think is almost never actually discussed, is: why is this so? why the PS3 online community is so weak, if the PSN service is free?
Maybe it has to do with the fact that most of the ways to communicate and interact with each other (chat, voice chat, video chat, trophies, Home) weren't included in the system firmware since its launch, unlike the 360 (which essentially inherited most of them from the original Xbox)?
Or maybe the issue of many buyers really getting the console only for playing Blu-ray Disc movies and nothing more is bigger than most of us think it is?
Id rather play a game on the PC then play it on console anyways.
It doesn't matter what Valve says. I do admit that I had fun playing their games but I never think of them as one of those "legendary" developers because they are lazy. Why?
1. All of their games are FPS
2. They focus too much on multiplayer experience
3. Their only game worthy of being called "innovative" is Portal IMO.
4. The graphics of their game always look the same and average. Team Fortress 2 was definitely new but that's just it.
5. Their new games feels...recycled...somehow.
To be honest, I have nothing against Valve because I really do enjoy their games. I look forward to playing L4D2 with my friends and Half-Life 2 Episode 3 but I seriously hate it when a developer bash other games/companies/consoles no matter which side I'm on.
Wow those are some stupid points you made there.
Just because a company focuses on one type of game doesn't mean they're lazy. Companies like Blizzard only made rts'(until WoW) and Square Enix basically just made rgps so do their games suck? Companies have games they're known for making.
And the reason their games look the same is they all use the source engine, which I have no problem with I think its held up well this long and still looks good. Its also optimized to work on older computers.
And just my own personal opinion here, multiplayer > single. Takes more skill to play against a human being then some AI and is a lot more exciting.
They also did the Lost Vikings, Battle Chess II (Chinese Chess), RPM: Radical Psycho Machine Racing, and Rock 'N Roll Racing, while they were still called: Silicon & Synapse.
Other works include: The Death and Return of Superman, Blackthorne and Justice League Task Force.
So that would be platformers, racing, 2d Fighters and a sports game, next to their RTS, Action RPGs (Diablo series) and now MMO.
blizzard developed diablo 1 and 2 and as far as i remember these games are rpg right?
"Blizzard North" developed Diablo 1 and 2. Same company technically, different division.
Diablo series would like to have a word with you.
Why would people still buy first person shooters for consoles? FPS games are obviously meant to play in a PC with a mouse.
Anyway, I didn't liked L4D too much... I prefer playing against other people, not AI.
Playing first person shooters on consoles is sometimes like using the mouse wheel on a laptop keyboard.
A mouse is much more accurate, and you don't have to worry about tilting it too far and overshooting your target.
Strangely enough I find FPS play on PCs to be too lame. It's way too easy to aim and shoot with a mouse and takes less manual dexterity and skill so I've never really cared for the sensation. Frankly both PCs and consoles make shooting too simplistic but there's no easy way of moving closer to a realistic shooting sensation. I doubt most game players would like it anyway when they seen how ineffective they would actually be with a real firearm.
it's called VS ..HURR DURR
You played L4D single player?
Yeah, I did. Don't take me wrong, I'm a valve fanboy you can say, but I am critic. It's not because I like most of the games they develop I'll like them all.
CSS is horrible, L4D was an average, not worth the price in my opinion. The others I play is TF2 sometimes and DOD:S like 2 times a semester.
The best thing of Valve games is modding. I just love the Half-Life (Natural Selection) and Half-Life 2 (Pirates, Vikings and Knights II) mods.
Well, for me the only game worth playing from Valve was Portal. And it wasn't even their idea in the first place. Fuck them lazy asses.
xbox360 = PC disguised as a console
PS3 = ACTUAL console..
all these PCgame fag programmers always take the easy way and program for 360, then either a)do an inferior ps3 port, or b)ignore ps3 altogether...
but whatever, there is heaps of good games out there for both
Wow! The PS3 is an ACTUAL CONSOLE.
You have highlighted the critical difference. It's all clear now.
The PS3 HAS to be superior, it's a CONSOLE after all.
Actually no, both systems' GPUs (the Xbox 360's Xenos and the PlayStation 3's RSX) are based on PC video card technology, hell they're even designed by ATi and nVIDIA themselves, respectively!
But the main architecture of both, the CPU and mainboard, are mostly based on Power Architecture (you can read more about that here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_Architecture), which has absolutely nothing to do with standard PC x86 architecture. Actually, they'd be more related with old Macs running on Motorola processors, if anything.
So the fact is that Microsoft's XNA really does "beat" Sony's PS3 SDK as far as ease of porting goes.
You are right, Zero. The only huge difference between the two is the SPE's vs. modified PPC triple core. If it wasn't for that, dare I say that both systems would be the same except for graphics cards, bust speed, pipeline size, memory handling, and other small differences.
This generation isn't like the last ones. There are no major difference in platforms that warrant a "console war".
^This
There isn't much on one console that can't be done with the other(besides the wii), it all comes down to the most important part in the end, the games of course.
I didn't enjoy L4D so i don't expect ill enjoy L4D2. Am i the only one who still prefers his zombie games to be survival horror in the strain of resident evil 1-3.
"Am i the only one who still prefers his zombie games to be survival horror in the strain of resident evil 1-3."
IMO the point of Left 4 Dead is first and foremost to provide a compelling co-op experience. Being a good zombie game is secondary.
That's why bots control the extra survivors if you don't have four players, instead of there only being [1-3] players.
How can you forget about silent hill?
Probably because those game don't have zombies? Most of what's in 'Silent Hill' are figments of an overly imaginative protagonist being ampped up by the town or what is inside it.
"It’s coming out on the PC and 360. It’s going to be exclusive for that.”
...exclusive for that.”
And this is why we learn history in school, children.
i c wut u did thar
Since 360 have more user base than PS3, this could work out. But if the situation is more like Xbox vs PS2, would they still insist on creating it for the PC and Xbox only or they will try harder to make the PS version good enough? or they wouldn't make any console version at all?
hm....
I say "check your numbers again."
360 only got a bigger user base in North America.
In Europe and Japan its PS3 that has the bigger userbase.
But Yeah, them saying its too hard to program is just BS.
Valve has been my hero in a various amount of ways, this is no exception.
lf4 dead isnt evne that good i meant yeh its true its good game about friends getting togehter and killing a horde of zombies thats it
Hey can I play left 4 dead with you? You will play as a boomer and I'll blow you into pieces.
Since you can't kill any of the other special infected? Haha.
In my opinion, I think they (the valve) said this because they are just to lazy to reprogramme the game into a ps3-typed game. Extra work is just too nasty....
yeah its not that big of a deal to rewrite 1 million+ lines of code at all...
Its not just Valve was says this. I read many big names say programming for PS3 is just a pain for no reason at all! Sony just got cocky the gen.
Agreed, Valve is full of lazy little shits.
I don't see why anyone should care. If you want games like Left 4 Dead you know Microsoft is the way to go. If you want games like Ar Tonelico, it's all about Sony. Nobody's losing anything with Valve supporting the Xbox.
In a way, its just too tiring. PS3 already has monopoly on other titles.
Community play still goes to the XBox platform supporting Halo and other team-network play. So its a good choice, Valve!
Yeah... Valve is the big brother of Xbox 360.
You shouldn't say that unless you've attempted to balance and synchronize multiple threads. Sony really went off the deep end with 8 cores. There is an apparent gap between hardware and software technology.
That said, Valve might not have a tech fetish but the folks at Crytek surely do. Then again, they're German.
The Cell does not have 7 cores. It has one PPC Core and 7 SPEs. There is a HUGE difference between SPEs and processor cores.
which is?
A great deal of processing power.
It's not that they're lazy, it's more that Valve MD Gabe Newell spent 12 years working at Microsoft:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabe_Newell
Asking him which console he thinks is better is about as sensible as asking Steve Ballmer - it's pretty obvious what he's going to say.
This news article is like reporting that Ken Kutaragi thinks the PS3 is better than the 360 or that the sky is blue. It's all pretty obvious.
Actually, Gabe is/was pretty dissatisfied with microsoft itself. So nope, your reason is wrong.