The second DVD release of the much reviled Endless Eight arc of Haruhi was widely expected to be a complete failure, but the disc actually managed 12,708 copies on its release, hardly down from the first DVD.
It seems Kadokawa was right in its calculations about the Haruhi fanbase – they really will buy four DVDs of all but identical content, apparently out of sheer obsession, even as the cast, production staff and less thoroughly brainwashed fans angrily decried their actions.
They were all wrong – it worked.
Quite possibly all four DVDs will go on to sell over 10,000 each, more than most series ever manage – certainly their average sales will be over 10,000.
It is easy to see why many are now saying that the “moe boom” has been hugely damaging to the anime industry, promoting excessive emphasis on just the kind of titles and marketing which will never earn anything but ridicule from the wider potential audiences shows such as Haruhi now all but eschew, and debasing an art form into a nakedly formulaic exercise in moe marketing…
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Since when is Haruhi a moe series? It has a plot and the only "moe" character (Mikuru) is a parody of the cliche (which has been around long before it had a name). On another note, 10,000 people is not very many.
Well, moe+fanservice, but just saying moe is shorter and gets the point across. As for plot->LULZENDLESSPLOT
Well, the novel did have a plot though, Kyoani just thought they should kill it off.
Moe Boom....is Haruhi even moe at all?
I thought the exact same thing. Because in my opinion the only character in it to warrant being called "moe" would be Mikuru, and even then there is not much to offer.
I don't know, but I will label Yuki Nagato as Moe. She's adorable whenever she's trying to express herself despite being unable to drop that straight face of hers, and she's the most useful character in the series.
"It is easy to see why many are now saying that the “moe boom” has been hugely damaging to the anime industry, promoting excessive emphasis on just the kind of titles and marketing which will never earn anything but ridicule from the wider potential audiences shows such as Haruhi now all but eschew, and debasing an art form into a nakedly formulaic exercise in moe marketing…"
It's hilarious that you're so damn quick to smack this label on Haruhi, but there's nary a sign of blame for everyone's precious little baby, K-ON.
I'm not even saying that there's that much of a difference between the two series, but for fuck's sake, give blame where blame is also due.
Of course, I fully expect the oncoming torrent of people decrying my statements, saying that "K-ON can do no wrong!" without providing any reasonable proof as to why that is - sales figures, as we can clearly see here, cannot be taken into account - but hey, whatever lets you sleep or jerk off to your haremettes at night, right?
I don't remember K-ON turning one 1 episode into an 8 episode repeat crap.
In other words, Fail Detected.
Way to miss my point entirely, idiot.
Moe Boom. Not repetition boom. MOE BOOM. I could give less a shit that Haruhi repeated an episode eight times, but it's clearly being labelled here as a moe series.
But every single time I go anywhere, oh, guess what? It's only heaping praises for K-ON. Crap about how Mio is the new goddess of everything ever, or how people want to stick their dick in every orifice Azuza has. In other words, the exact same shit that Haruhi got massive flak for.
And before you go "Oh man, butthurt Haruhi fanboy over here, look out!" I don't think that the comments worked any better for that series than it did for K-ON. I watched both series, I enjoyed both series. But the fanbases make me want to vomit.
But hey, people do this sort of shit these days, and they only have themselves to blame. Don Quixote has to have his Dulcinea, and then comes the inevitable violent reaction to every single negative word raised, even if the negativity is justified. Thing is, these people will probably never wake up and realize they are fighting windmills instead of giants, and that's pretty fucking sad.
Actually, Haruhi got "massive flak" cause of all the "goddess/epicness/wootquality/wootthinking anime" while it was just "moe". Haruhi now gets bashed for being a retarded repetition based on moe, with the emphasis being first on retarded repetition and then on moe, but I suppose moe haters can't see past their noses when moe is involved.
K-ON on the other hand was just moe and didn't try to hide it. It didn't repeat itself 8 times either though.
TL;DR Failed again, try harder.
It's true. These fanboys are idiots. Although I love Haruhi myself (just admit that the first season was quite okay), I got really disappointed when they aired the second season.
Even though the sales were good, I have no doubt that it'll sell better when they made a GOOD season.
But it's true that this method is the most rewarding on short terms.
I'm surprised no one made an endless eight joke endless eight joke endless eight joke endless eight joke endless eight joke endless eight joke endless eight joke endless eight joke
How is Haruhi marketing moe at all?
It has far more focus on the male characters than the female ones, especially in E8...
Wait for the boxset
"Otaku Idiots After All"
Always was and always will be.
OMFG YOU ANIMALS! YOU ACTUALLY WENT AND DID IT! YOU DESTROYED THE WORLD!!!! well... it's a sad day for otakus and our fallen zombified brethren. Thats right, if you know someone who bought these DVDs then it's only a matter of time before they show physical signs of changing. Do the right thing for humanity and remember to always "double tap" to make sure they're down.
Le sigh.
If you buy one, you got to buy them all. Even if it is complete marketing bull.
Such is the unfortunate fate of otaku collectors.
Not really. I'm a figure collector but I don't feel inclined to buy every damn figure that could fit with each other. I only buy what I like.
Brainless collectors who don't know how to spend their money
1)buy the whole E8
2)eventually have no more money to spend, after having bought all sorts of utter crap.
Everyone needs there Mikuru fix of course.
The next sequel shall thus be called "The profitability of suzumiya haruhi"
Long live the goddess!
This makes me sad... No more plot for us, just lots of Haruhi-on! and Mugikuru...
And KyoAni profits once again...
Seriously, they will continue to do this until people actually make them pay. And the only way to make them pay is for them to have a financial flop. When what is essentially rehash outsells most of what has been made this year, this is an indictment on the industry and on those buying anime. And that's coming from someone who somewhat likes Haruhi.
Until people collectively say 'enough is enough' via the one way that will hurt KyoAni - money - they will continue to give people what they deserve and continue this charade.
Oh, now I finally see what they did there. It was all an experiment, to see how much of an idiots otakus are. And the experiment was a SUCCESS.
I see! I see now!! Everything makes perfect sense!!
So true Artefact, so true...
I believe Haruhi has much more potential, but I think it's been flawed from the start with its setup. I'm not even taking Endless Eight into account in that first sentence, of which my mind is still festering over >.< ...
Cant find words to describe it ...
I knew there marketing scam work well enough to make Nerds buy this crap.
is there anyone out there that, like me, was a big fan of the original series and although it's a rip off would buy the second season just for collector's purposes? i mean, aren't all otaku collectors? is it that big a deal or do we have a little mob mentality happening here? after all, flavor-of-the-month otaku will never be pleased and once the trend machine leaves whatever property they currently enthuse over we'll be treated to post after post of inane vitriol about those series as well.
"i mean, aren't all otaku collectors?"
No. I only buy things that are actually good. The original Haruhi was good; Endless Eight was awful, and the rest of the second season was pretty mediocre. I have better things to spend my money on.
I loved the first season. It was great. I'd buy the DVD if I could find it. Second season however...utter bullshit. Buying something for "collectors purposes" means you've been brainwashed by bullshit. And there's a difference between being a collector and being obsessive. One of them involves buying multiples of the same god damn thing and, no, I'm not talking about Endless Eight. I mean who the hell actually buys multiples of the exact same god damn thing?
Idiots. All of us.
I'm glad they sold well. I want more Haruhi, and this will only make it more likely.
Though I think the tone between this article and the last DVD are kind of funny. "OMG IT ONLY SOLD ~10,000 THAT'S SO LOW" to "OMG IT SOLD ~10,000 THAT'S SO HIGH".
/headdesk *repeat*
Oh lord...
I'm just speechless. Why the FUCK would you even
Just...
L:LDSJLAJSDL. DFfklklks;d
I think I'm going to just go into a cave and become one of those pre-human-dinosaur-hybrid things from Zetsubou FIGHT!.
The only idiots I see here are bunch of morons
making a fuss over some stupid numbers that
means nothing .
Fail for doubleposting 01:30.
Numbers mean something for the company, although what it means is up to debate but many people seem to agree on the following.
1)lulz
2)fail
3)both of the above
4)Darwin award is in order
God I'm so tired of all this girl pantsu moe and whatever crap.
Wheres mah Berserk OVA?!!1
well the show is good, despite that silly endless eight thing
Complain about shit anime/marketing all you want, but if it weren't for idiot otakus as show above, these companies wouldn't have the money to make the "good" anime some of you guys crave so much.
Ironic, isn't it?
Lol those idiot otakus will buy anything. MUAHAHAHAHA
Paint the face of Haruhi on a broken piece of furniture and you can be sure that the Otaku will buy it, despite it taking alot of space and is unusable.
I stopped watching Haruhi after the first series. It just didn't go down well with me the whole story. Felt rather well, strained.
stop feeding this gold mine plz !!!!!
Maybe those who didn't like it were a vocal minority after all. Good news, I'm not convinced it worked myself, but it was a brave experiment, and doesn't deserve to lose large amounts of income.
I told you people the Asahina's boobs are brainwashing people and it doesn't help with the combo attack from Nagato and Haruhi!
I agree completly. Most of Haruhi fans I've ever seen are stupid enough to this.
It's akin to the mainstream crap you hear on your ClearChannel radio station, but if it works, it works.
FUCK HARUHI!
I thought Endless Eight was delicious and would buy it over and over again.
All those fucking idiots who buyed that shit will DIE very soon, just wait and see.
THANK YOU RETARDS!!!
SEASON 3 PLZ!!!!
Fuck Otakus.
her pose reminds me of Gendo ikari, she is just missing the gloves and glasses
thats sooo stupid ppl must be really obessed with haruhi
W.A.T.
I don't really care how much of a fan you are of Haruhi, anyone knows the whole endless eight was complete bullshit. I'll admit it portrays the angst and frustrations of those involved in the time loop but it was completely unnecessary and boring as hell. Whoever was behind planning this atrocity and those stupid enough to actually buy this shit needs to go and do the gene pool a favor and walk off a building
I sense rants approaching.
I'd get them anyway. It'd suck if you had all but 3 of the discs. For collectors, you have to get all of them, even if they suck.
I actually feel like buying the EE DVDs now after reading this.
So, you hated Endless Eight? Just don't buy these dvds.
They are not for you in the first place.
Just let others spend their money as they want.
What? You are sick of moe flicks and buying Endless Eight will help KyoAni keep churning out more trash animes?
Give me a break. You gotta quit coming to this moe-infested site before worrying about the peace of Anime World.
I'M IN DESPAIR
how pathetic.
i would never buy 4 dvds with the same fucking episode.
those are really sick otakus.
feel bad for them.
I guess if for those who are collecting the series they might not want the miss bit in the middle so thats why they have to buy it, I don't think they would want to anyway.
*COUGH MOE* K-ON!* COUGH*
i HATED the endless eight!!! i was pissd off every week because it was the same episode! although.....it would be nice to own it on DVD >.>
You sure Kadokawa themselves didn't buy 12,700 of those? With EIGHT remaining die-hard otakus buying the other EIGHT?
Haruhi fans idiots?!
No..!
Say it ain't sooo!
so in the end, money always wins, doesn't matter which side. just make sure you are on the money side will do.
Spending does not justify your sincerity to the Goddess. It is what is in your hearts that matters.
i wish my gf would say that
This is what Japan has become?
Well, not all... but at least we know that at MOST (cause otaku have this nasty tendency to buy the same thing multiple times) that around 10k of the Japanese population are braindead. Take heart in that Japanese are counted in the millions, so a loss of 10000 zombies (otaku nonetheless) isn't much overall (unless zombie otaku go rampart and eat everyone else).
They won't go eating everyone else when they are too busy swarming over Comiket, sit at home and watch anime and swarming internet shopping sites and anime figuring shops.
Sankaku Complex = Butthurt Central.
get over it fuck.
Haruhi must burn in the fiery pits of anime hell for this
I'll still shell out the cash for a widescreen release of season 1 and season 2 box set (separately or together of course) when this hits the states, i didn't buy the first season some years ago. :3
Honestly i can't believe that people fall for this kind of thing, there's no way a consumer in the united states in this economy could justify this kind of spending, even if they are an otaku. Ultimately it's just another LOLJAPAN moment from a country slowly killing itself through failure to connect with the opposite sex.
Not interested.
This is nearly as ridiculous as Bakemonogatari sales
How can one post contain so much fail, anon? I'm disappointed.
On the contrary, I'm impressed. I've never seen so much fail in so few words!
Bah Anon fails at failing, I've seen worse.
god really does know...
you really think even his omniscience would be enough to know what's going on in these people's mind?
Oh, He knows. And He has facepalmed so many times that His hands hurt. He can't even lend any 'Divine Interventions' anymore because His hands hurt so much.
Wow, they still buy the endless eight DVDs?!!!
They would've sold more copies if they didn't repeat the same episode, 7 times.
I think it's because of all the otaku's who buy liek 10 copies of each DVD, just to support their godess Haruhi. As there are alot of otakus, alot of dvd's will be selled.
You can do the math: 12,708 / 10 = 1,271 roughly. Very possible indeed...
Not really. Even amongst the hardcore otaku hardly anyone does this. We only hear of the freaks because they are looking for attention.
Kadokawa makes anime shit.Don't feed the hyena.
series like shana or index or railgun from JC Staff are what really make anime shit.
Hyenas are part of the natural order in Africa's savannahs, Takatsuma. Hyenas help things along by killing off the weak and sickly things so there won't be poor genetic stock of the animals sharing the same living space. They fulfill a viatl function.
If Kadokawa had been doing the hyena's job right, it'd have killed off the Haruhi franchise ages ago.... not turn it into a vampire that someone will later have to stake down, cut the head off of, and fill it's mouth full of garlic to be rid of it.
I would prefer to remember Haruhi as she and her SOS-Dan members were: vibrant, funny, and original.
*Miroku74 mourns the tragedy of another rampaging undead abomination which he once loved wholeheartedly* T_T
Can we please get back to the staking? I want to scatter the ashes before the sun sets.
Prediction: Third DVD will actually not contain a disc, but instead be a sizeable box, filled with human excrement and a fold out pin up poster of Yuki. It will sell 40,000 copies over the course of the first week alone.
wtf
Whatever floats your boat as they say...
On the upside of this though, it at least means we'll probably see more Haruhi in the future. I know many people predicted things would end because of how bad these sales would be, but since they're not doing that bad at all, we'll hopefully get more of the other story arcs.
That's probably what the people who bought it might have thought?
They'd probably use the money to make endless disappearances of harutard.
Long live the goddess!!
Agreed. these guys dont seem to understand alot are buying to complete series. content is secondary to the collector.
That's a funny thing to say coming from an apparent Illustrious fan.
I just hope this doesn't give Bandai USA any stupid ideas. (Like I was gonna buy it anyway.)
(Nope. Not remotely tempted. Orz.)
Yes, the goddess Haruhi. Shall never be doubted about her power to...what was it again? Ah, yes to control the minds of Otakus.
sales were OVER 9000!
wow 12.7k idiots?
On the other hand, every episode has a pool scene, and the hardcore fans need every BD pixel they can get of it.
And, of course, I was intrigued by this try-only-once avant-garde artform.
Did you know that the longest movie in the world, "The Cure for Insomnia", is 87 hours long? I want to see that, but it's not available.
Letsee, 10,000 times 4 dvds, 2 eps per dvd, 8 eps in total, 8/2 = 4, so ten thousand times 4, equals 40,000, times... how much does one dvd cost again? 1650 yen, or 550?
If its 550, your looking at about 22 milion yen.
assuming 3k people buy 4 dvds each dvd, or 12,7k people buy one dvd each.
About 5% in royalties to the author of the book, 5% of 22million?
Maybe we might see a tenth book after all.
actualy Matrjoschka is the longest film ever clocking in at 95 hours
The retail price of a Bluray is around 7000-8000yen whereas DVD are around 5000-7000yen. And considering margin for things such as games and movies aren't that large for retailers, generally about 5-15%, Kadokawa is likely making much more money than than that.
It'd be more realistic to calculate roughly 40 000 x 3800 (assuming worse case but more likely in 5000 for DVD) for sales revenue, less any production/labour costs and direct manufacturing costs (printing, DVDs, boxes, etc) and overhead costs such as marketing, royalties, etc.
actually its just about 3,000 idiots, with 1 idiot buying 3-5 copies each.
God sells, idiots buying.
"Kadokawa Proven Right: Otaku Idiots After All"
They only say that after covering the cost of actually producing them in the first place. They're just relieved we "idiots" bought the same shit which 1 episode can explain all...
Now to look out for ticket sales of the movie if those 12.7k idiot would actually watch it too
Right now I feel ashamed to be a Haruhi fan...
How can even the dumbest Otaku buy this recycled shit? I just don't get it...
dont think i'm an idiot Xp, well i DID buy the blue-ray disk for the MOSH season 2
nothing else is expected, i'd buy it too if i live in japan