Nintendo DSi LL Announced, Disaster Predicted
- Categories: Games, News
- Date: Oct 29, 2009 20:53 JST
- Tags: Announcements, DS, Marketing, Nintendo, PSP, Technology
Nintendo has attracted no small disappointment with its revised DS console, with the new “handheld” having been given 25% larger screen than the DSi at the expense of a 33% increase in weight and a substantially more bulky design.
Worse yet, the screen is the same resolution as the previous model, only larger…
You can see a scale comparison of just how bloated the new unit is below, with the old unit superimposed on the new:
The main upgrade is of course the 4.2 inch screen, up from 3.25 (resolution unchanged).
Battery life increases to 3 hours again, but weight goes from 214g to 314g, and the unit fattens to 16.1cm by 9.14cm from 13.7cm by 7.49cm. Otherwise the unit is essentially unchanged from the DSi.
The price is in the region of ¥20,000.
Most DS fans seem to be wondering how they could ever fit this in their pockets, although Love Plus fans optimistically remark that now they will have more screen space to kiss…
In any case, it seems the new model, is far from the PSP killer some had hoped for, in fact it may be fair to say it is Nintendo’s answer to the PSP Go, generally regarded as a dismal flop (although at 158g it is almost half the weight).
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>the unit fattens to 16.1cm by 91.4cm from 13.7cm by 74.9cm.
Holy shit this thing's wider than my desk!
HAHAHA, That was pretty the same thought that I had too. Shouldn't it be mm, instead of cm?
Never mind about mm...it took a little bit of think to realize what I typed down...
metric fail a bit? ;))))
i thought it was just bigger so adults with bigger hands could use it....
hhhmm don't think ill be able to fit that in my pants pocket...without it raising some suspicion
Is that an erection or did you just waste money on another stupid DS revision?
+1000 ;)
+2000
-.-
Yea rite. My sister is only 91.4cm tall.
Is she single?
Is she hot
She is 5 years old, FYI.
still, is she hot?
you just introduced your sister to some lolis....
what you gonna do when agnes chan comes for you....
Post pics or I will believe that you're just lying about having a loli sister to make us jealous.
lol, and most of these are all anonymous
I like Nintendo's master strategy. "Make money by repeatedly selling tons of crappy devices to people."
FYI, thats pretty much society's marketing strategy as a whole.
You'd think that that size, they'll be able to reintroduce the GBA slot again.
I still can't understand how console manufactures can be so retarded and dissapointing for so long.
Great for ppl with big hands, like me.
Prolonged battery life counterbalances the increased weight to an extent IMO. Also, larger dimensions aren't always a negative. Those of us who don't have withering baby hands can appreciate Nintendo's move.
Increased weight is good, you can smack shit heads with it, it won't feel flimsy and breakable and it won't fall out of your pocket unnoticed (and lose it). Also you get a larger screen and longer battery life in return for what is essentially a centimetre or two and a around 100 grams of weight.
I'm tempted to be honest. I hate the current stylus as it's too small and I have an old DS which has horrible back lighting compared to DS Lite and I hear this goes even brighter (which I won't need as it just sinks battery life the brighter it is but I want a bit more brightness). When they do a black one with a good game I might make the jump.
I think larger screen is bad, because the resolution only 256x192.
The image will be more pixelated, and thats bad.
Perhaps it's targetted at older folks such as myself, whose vision isn't so good anymore after spending the thirty years looking at computer screens of various sorts.
Ah, the "good old days" of "ergonomically-friendly" amber-screen monitors... I'll be buying a 1920 x 1080 32" monitor soon *meanshile hits Control-Shift-Plus repeatedly in Firefox*.
It's just ctrl-plus, actually. I don't know where you got the shift from.
Ctrl+[Scroll Up/Down} works too
@ Anon with 32" screen.
You're doing it wrong. Don't get a 32" 1080p TV. I have a 30" 2560x1600 and still sometimes wish it had a higher pixel-density.
Still. 2560x1600 screens are the best thing ever. Get one of those instead.
What a pile of shit. Where's my tegra-powered handheld?
WTF ANOTHER DS!? Wait...bigger screen?...I'm sold.
bigger screen with the same resolution means... boxes will be more visible...
Oh...thats not cool...
yup it's not coz even in DSi you can still see some of the boxes. imagine what u'll see in Dsi LL. maybe Giga boxes lol..
DSi LL = for old people w/poor eyesight
haha lol. maybe old people filed a petition for bigger screen so they can enjoy ds games better ^^
IIRC, we also get graphics on par with the Wii. I can't remember where the article was though
Yes... an nVidia one also... the Tegra
so this DSi LL is the one planned to be integrated with tegra?
What i've heard, yes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nvidia_Tegra#Devices_using_NVIDIA_Tegra
^ for people who have to wiki tegra (like I had to ^
This is just a DSi with a bigger screen. That's it!
The announced "DS2" with Nvidia Tegra supposedly won't come out until 2011, although they'll likely rush it for Holiday 2010. Until then, it's just the same old DS with minor changes.
If it's that big and resolution remain unchanged, the DSi is a much better deal. I don't like my DS to be big and clunky like the PSP
From what I understand it was made for old people with both bad eyesight and dexterity,
I don't get why people are getting so pissy over it.
The buttons are the same size and the same distance from each other.
If I remember correctly there is a new nVidia graphics chip in it too... with graphics on par with the wii
Kinda mean, how you put it.. I don't have bad eyesight, but I do like the screen larger. Makes me see the graphics clearer too, for games like Love Plus (if it'll ever get released for the US.. which is doubtable T-T).
Aside from the larger side = more room for stickers, as long as it fits in a pocket or purse im not complaining.
I see a lot of that, honestly.
The thinking goes, you should have your display as low as humanly possible, because excessive comfort is for old people. By that logic, we should all be gaming on cell phones.
I think it's bullshit, myself, but I also wouldn't attempt to carry ANY kind of portable game in my pocket.
it is getting released in Europe so it must be in the us as well but apparently it will be called the DSI XL instead of LL
I totally agree Tex and Elle,
I'm used to playing low res PS2 games on my low res television. I wouldn't mind if they blew up the graphics a little. Gamers older than 11 grew up on pixel art, and a few blocks is how I know I'm playing a video game. And I rarely carry my DS in a pocket.
Why does this article have to be written in such a contentious manner?
Just the facts please, Sankaku, and then tell us what 2ch has to say.
It's mostly because people tend to be a bunch of whiny little bitches that hate change and moan and complain when something isn't done exactly as they want it. I mean come on, it's not like this thing's the size of the first Game boy or even the Game Gear.
Yeah but its pretty cheap, so I wouldn't mind upgrading my DS phat.
I'll wait for the next one
the DSI mega with 10x bigger screen
Seriously, the bigger screen shit will be crap because the games will still run in the same resolution, so they're gonna look pixelated as shit on the DSI LL
The DS lite is still the best model, it has the best battery life. The camera on the DSI is a worthless pile of shit and the screen is barely bigger.
Do not buy this new DS, don't support minor updates. Nintendo will continue these minor updates every year from now, they just want to fuck idiots out of their money who always have to have the latest model, presumingly because they have a very small penis or something.
A comparison of battery life shows DSI LL has the best battery life (on Kotaku) but yeah DS Lite has a good life too. For me I want a bigger stylus though and the screen while lower in resolution (proportionally) is still decent. After all DS games aren't the best for graphics and on such a small screen pixelation isn't going to run rife.
I know Asians LOVE small things but I think this is cool. Bigger screen is always a plus to me. I'd prefer it if PSPGO had a bigger screen or if they released a bigger Iphone.
I smell a still undetected pun about Asian women and the love for Asian sized penises.
You sound like a guy with a lot of experience inspecting Asian penises!
I stopped caring about Nintendo at the moment I played Metroid Fusion.
Bullshit company.
That surprises me. Metroid Fusion was good.
I agree. Metroid Fusion didn't disappoint.
That's you. Disappointed me to the point of giving up after the plant boss killed me ten times in a session of play that lasted for an hour. If the second or third boss is just too hard, and the person playing is a Metroid vet and usually good at first-person games - there's something wrong with your game.
So you don't like the game because you suck, QQ more noob.
Metroid Fusion was a side-scroller, not first person...
Don't blame the game, blame the playa'.
I don't see the point of being angry at Nintendo for this. There had been tonnes of Game Boy variations after all. They are just releasing variations of the same product, and not demanding that you "upgrade", since there is no need. You can and will still be able to play both the old and future DS games no matter which DS you choose to have. It's just one more choice for consumers.
As long as Nintendo think they can afford the extra manufacturing costs, I say let them be.
The difference between all the Gameboys and all the DSes, is that every other Gameboy was a new system. It's not like we had murky green 8-bit graphics for 20 years, and then suddenly we had the DS.
This is just an alternative to the DSi for old folks with bad eyesight. It's not meant to replace the current model.
Yeah, people really need to lighten up.
Nintendon't.
Quit making crap and get to work on a Super Metroid remake (ala Zero Mission).
When, in the fuckers hell, is nintendo going to understand that times are changing and that doesnt mean just rebuild or do some tweks on the already previous gen headhelds??
I love games, be it sony, MS and nintendo but if there is one thing i really wish nintendo coulfd have would be some insights of tecnology and design from the other companies and that nowadays, the motto IS RAW RAW Fight the pawaa!!!
really, who theu]y are trying to lie to here? Do they really believe that this kinda shit is goin t to sell after the DSi, the ps3 slim and the new perifericals from MS and Sony?
ok, different segments yet new towys either way...
Youre jumping the gun here when you think this is going to be a failure. Nintendo is being flexible to the market by redesigning a more user friendly product for the elderly. Times are changing and you have to realize that hardcore gamers arent the only ones buying games. This wont be a flop unless Nintendo manufactures more units than they can sell.
We'll have to wait and see how well it does for itself when it hits the market.
Bulky is better, fits in my oversized hands better. There was a reason why i never bought that GBASP, thing could only be held be the end of my fingers. Guess I'll replaces my DS Phat with this new one that's coming out.
Same resolution equals fail. All the other stuff could be forgiven if it wasn't for the resolution.
Indeed. It's a shame really. Could have been good.
Ain't this aimed for older people? Gosh you guys need to lighten up.
:/ if only i postponed my dsi purchase...
Good thing I did!
Oh, don't worry. I do't think you'd have been much happier with this new model. I purchased my own DSi soon after it was released and I'm damn happy with it. The prolonged battery life on the LL model can probably be acquired on your regular DSi as well by just putting the backlight strength one setting lower.
Welp, loving the comment rating system. Everything is hidden for some lovely reason, mmhmm.
I say why not? All they need to do is return the GBA cartridge port and I'm sold on it. Otherwise... well, the old DS still does me good.
you know what...
i wouldnt mind if.
JUST IF.
we can watch videos online with this new DSi ll
oh,btw
im currently using my DSi to leave a comment in here,XD
I love doing that shit. XD
"PSP killer" implies that the PSP is somehow winning in the handheld console wars... and you know that the DS has consistently outsold the PSP as long as they've both been around, right?
The PSP is only remarkable because it's still selling. Nintendo has crushed every other handheld competitor they've ever had -- look at the Game Gear, Atari Lynx, Wonderswan Color, NeoGeo Pocket...
Nintendo knows how to fight the handheld war, and as they have repeatedly proven, having the most powerful processor and the highest resolution screen does not matter.
Butthurt much?
PSP has 40% marketshare.
40% doesn't mean much when there are only really two competitors.
Actually there is also the GP2X from South Korea.
both DSi and DSL are not fit for my bigger-than-average hand. (same as PSPgo)
So i'll order this one... ASAP!
typical Nintendo move as of late, or rather classic Nintendo at best. They always make it deem fit to re-design their handholds three or four times per generation, at the same time making their user base want to buy the newest one. the only reason why people really put up with Nintendo bullshit is probably because of pokemon.
The larger screens of this handheld probably will be what to expect with the rumored Tegra powered DS..
I still prefer my original DS
PSP Killer? Hasn't the DS been killing the PSP this whole time?
And since I carry my DS in a bag, I wouldn't MIND a larger one.
This version is explicitly designed for the older generation with less accurate motor skills and ailing eye sight.
I don't visit Sankaku Complex for deep accurate journalism, but come on.
Only slightly bigger than the original DS, and probably thinner. Only 14 grams heavier.
I'm sick of people's obsession with getting smaller and smaller devices. This is still plenty small for what it is. I think the bigger screen is awesome, I would definitely get this if I could afford it.
It's become proof to people that you have better technology. It isn't always true of course but there is a definitely a correlation between better tech and it being smaller if what was previously as small as it could get for the same benefits.
Either way I'll take the hit to resolution to have a larger unit whenever I need to replace my DS. I had one of the original DS until it broke and soon after I had been given a DS lite for free from my job at the time. I've always hated how much smaller the system is because it cramps my hand.
Again, it's all bout making the console... slimmer.
To Nintendo, Sony & Microsoft stop making 87 revisions of the same damn system!
I agree 100%, but you can't blame them for being completely out of ideas every once in a while, (other than a bunch of other motion sensing crap, of course.)
Nintendo is the undefeated champion at screwing it's consumers.
Since the Gameboy era, the song has remained the same : have the suckers buy it, then release a new model 1 year later.
Game boy, game boy color, game boy advance, etc.
Then DS, DS lite, DSi, and now this.
You are rarely forced to buy the various iterations of handhelds from Nintendo. The DSi might well be a "needed" upgrade if you want to use their downloaded games, but you wont need the DSi LL to play those so you can just buy the one that will inevitably drop in price here soon, if it hasn't already.
You forgot Game Boy Pocket. =D
I seriously doubt I'm going to be interested in this to be honest, bigger, bigger screen but same resolution. It doesn't cut it for me so far.
"The main upgrade is of course the 4.2 inch screen, up from 3.25 (resolution unchanged)."
"with the new “handheld” having been given 25% larger screen than the DSi"
3.25 to 4.2 is 29% upgrade just by itself, but practically, screens are measured by their areas, and in this case it's a 67% upgrade.
So I wouldn't say this is an insignificant bonus... It's a pity the resolution remains the same though.
I might buy it if they manage to crack it and I say if but they probably will.
R4,TTDS,M3, any will do.
I also bought the first DS as soon as it came out and then the DSi because of the bigger screen exclusively as I had no plans to download games or use the weak camera.
It could be assumed that Nintendo needs more money and is now capitalizing over that interest over a bigger screen.
what's the point? the DSi screen was big enough
It beats the hell out of the DS Fat I'm still using.
It's now obsolete, dude.
Tegra will be cool...
The info is a bit incomplete =.=
The DSi LL or DSi XL how it will be called on Europe is directed to the elderly public.
It even comes with 3 free games on memory:
A Bit of Brain Training: Arts, A Bit of Brain Training: Science and Kiyou Akira Rakuhiku Language Easier
You couldn't fit the old one in your pockets anyway, so the size doesn't make that much of a difference.
The weight, on the other hand, does.
The new one is better
Now that Europe is getting the DSi XL,
what's next, DSi GT?
Bigger screen won't help unless you bump up the native resolution. Pixels in DS Lite are huge enough as they are. And this new DS LL is gonna top that by 25%.
Make it heavier and bigger, of course, what else screams portability? All the DSi added was a camera and some downloadable games, complete garbage, the DS Lite is actually worth it since it sets out to make the DS lighter and smaller for portability.
Still quite happy with my original launch DS. I can't stand the multiple variations of the same base system
PSP Killer, are you serious Artefact? The PSP can't be stopped by nintendo, because the PSP already killed itself.
And I'm not talking about the PSP Go, because it died long before that.
I love the DSi, but that is just stupid. Why make the screen bigger? I really can't think of any reason I'd want something like that. The better battery would be nice, and is the only improvement I want from that, but taht's not enough to make me want to buy another DSi. Especially not this soon into the life of the first one.
if they made it fatter why could they not at least include backwards comparability to gba!
I don't like portable consoles, but a bigger screen is always welcome, even if its actual resolution is the same as before (in fact, changing it and stretching the image would basically fuck up the games).
Obviously XL stands for extra large but what does LL stand for?
LOLI LOVER
I'm definitely getting one of these. The bigger screens are going to rock.
Lets hear it up for LUElinks
...Umm, I'm fairly certain that the only reason this exists is to try to appeal to those whom have a hard time seeing the small screen on handhelds. That's the only reason for it, really. The normal DSi will still sell, this one is meant only for those who have bad eyes.
I don't mind the increased size and weight. I'm still using the orignal ds so it can't be that much larger/heavier than the original. Plus bigger screen.
screw that noise. I'd rather get a pandora.
Wasnt the point of this device to be sold to those of ages 45 and older? Its designed to help them see the screen better and hopefully pull in a older demographic to the nintendo market. Ill be honest I saw this and considered getting one for myself and my mum, the larger size is a welcome addition to the hours of eye strain I get from staring at the smaller screen.
i agree with this, this will actually sell in japan, due to seniors actually play the ds. when i had my time in japan i saw a load of over 50 60's playing new super mario bros and some playing other games that i wish i saw people play here in america.
"hey grandma can i play the ds now?" "no!" that'd be great.
I for one prefer the larger size. I still have my brick of a DS and think the DSlite and DSi feel like they'll fall apart any second.
>Most DS fans seem to be wondering how they could ever fit this in their pockets
Uhh, is this bigger than the old DS phat?
Never had any problems putting that into my pocket and using it as mp3 player.
"The main upgrade is of course the 4.2 inch screen, up from 3.25 (resolution unchanged)."
What about the new interface, DSi store, internet browser (which sucks balls), and new channels?
"In any case, it seems the new model, is far from the PSP killer some had hoped for, in fact it may be fair to say it is Nintendo’s answer to the PSP Go"
Media Create sales:
Oct 26-01 DSiLL --- PSPGo 29,109
Nov 02-08 DSiLL --- PSPGo 13,992
Nov 09-15 DSiLL --- PSPGo 6,427
Nov 16-22 DSiLL 100,553 PSPGo 4,574
Nov 23-29 DSiLL 75,000 PSPGo 3,900
Well, you certainly nailed that prediction, Artefact. xD