The LDP has recovered enough from its election drubbing to begin demanding a fresh ban of all things loli.
The LDP, with the support of their cultist allies the Komeito, have finalised another draft of the legislation they failed to get passed in the last session of the Diet, which they intend to get passed this session.
The content of the legislation is said to be the same as the previous bill.
However, with the LDP in complete disarray and having hardly any seats, it is unlikely to pass many laws by itself, and the ruling DPJ is sceptical of the proposed law, saying it threatens freedom of expression and might lead to arbitrary abuse of police power.
It is thought the LDP is now more intent on causing problems for the DPJ through tactical use of the proposed law, rather than actually seriously expecting to get it passed.
Critics of the LDP’s obsession with public morality have pointed out that the Japanese legal definition of a “child” for the purposes of this legislation is anyone under 18, whereas for most of the developed world the definition ranges from 13 to 16, with some even allowing 16-year-olds to work as prostitutes.
Besides Japan, only America regards all under-18s as minors, and none of these countries enforce bans on the display of genitals as Japan does. Were the LDP to pass its law, Japan would have by far the most draconian anti-porn laws amongst the major developed nations…
Via 47news.
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if the law would pass the country with the strangest porn would have the strictest laws...what a fucked up world...
The only way, this law can be pass, is if theres extremists who'd want this law to pass by creating loli/shota sex crimes themselves and blame it on our beloved eroge. No, I don't want this to happen but the cards seem to point out that way.
Then they'll go all blitzkrieg with their law afterward.
What with you, giving out idea like that?
Now they have read it, you know they're planning it =/
loves america and its first amendment
I don't know, I'm still unsure about having loli manga delivered to my door, running into the risk someone might open it. Probably just my paranoia
Yes, that's really a thing i envy you about. No matter how many hardliners and moralfags you got, you still have a very solid freedom of expression layed out in constitution which wins in the end. I hope for you it stays that way. Wish i would be the same where i live.
Yea but a lot of moralfags push for ignorebillofrightsanddueprocessfags for judges.
The Founding Fathers of the US might've been a bunch of old hypocritical bastards, but they knew what they were doing when they drew up the Bill of Rights, and the Constitution. They knew that it was important to keep Church and State separate from one another.
Which still confuses me as to why the majority voted for Bush's Christfag ass two fucking times over the past ten years. There had to have been some shady shit going down under the table during those years. I wouldn't be surprised if someone tries the same shit in japan that was pulled in America back during the turn of the century.
i wonder why they keep focusing on this loli ban bill; and if it didn't passed they just wasting resources and tax. instead of focusing on the loli ban they should focus on improving their defense and reconstruction plan from attack such as icbm and terrorist.
>Japan would have by far the most draconian
>anti-porn laws amongst the major developed
>nations…
And still, they couldn't get rid of all that crazy prOn from the last millenium, that makes non-japanese think badly about japan.
You could always travel to Vietnam and try the real deal.
Nice, but they're hot? I doubt it!
At least they are cute. And that's what matter when talking about loli.
Awesome. Make works of fiction illegal.
That really makes a whole lot of sense.
It's like the Roman Catholic Church hierarchy all over again.
Making works of fiction illegal would be putting the Catholic Church out of business if anyone caught on.
Did I just say that out loud? o.O
They'll just end up failing like they did last time.
HAIL THE PRINNY DOOD!
what are prinnies supposed to say in japanese anyway?
a crime is not a crime if it doesn't happen,since 2d children don't exist there is no crime.
Also if somebody would be saying they will sexualy abuse you and you recorded that,then you pretty much have proof of somebody threathened you in some way.
So they should just bend over and drop this banning already
Let's not forget written lolis and shotas too, hmmm?
I mean, this ban is based on the context of artistic expression and the depiction of fictional children, so why not talk about the depictional of fictional (since we don't know if those children actually lived where it was written they did) Biblical children then. I mean...
.... And Jesus sayeth unto his Disciples, "Let the little ones come unto me, for theirs is the Kingdom of Heaven"....
If taken out of context, the way some people demonize even the most innocent of pictures of, say Miu from Ichigo Mashimaro.... then that would make Jesus one of the World's kindest pedophiles, wouldn't it?
Because anyone can read anything they want to in a subject without really seeing the matter for what it really is. Perception is the problem here.
Just so you know, I'm knocking Jesus, or those who choose to follow the Prince of Peace.... but I really do get pissed the fuck off by some of His most fervent followers for their rampant ignorance. >_< I'm going off to kill zealots and council members on Diablo II. And since I'm murdering in cold blood those following their rights to freedom of religion, be sure and call the cops on me.
ain't Etna like, 1600?
that sounds pretty legal t me
The problem with any ban is that it can increase defiance..
not this shit again.
Not again!?! Damn you Agnes Chan and your Feminazis!!
Why. Are we not allowed. To see. Genitals!?
I dont find it disgusting. I find thoose shaved cunts beautiful. Why am I not allowed to see it?
Such bullshit. By the way, In Russsia (yea you guessed it) you can download as much uncensored JAPANese porn as you want.
Protecting children from the public, that were created for the public...
yay... now how in the world is anime gonna be fun? ... you'll need these Loli, its a freaking selling point!
Australia also count anyone under 18 as a minor. I believe the UK is the same?
I live in Europe, and every country i can think of here in the european union has 18 years as the age of coming of age. If there is a state with another age, then it would probably one of the new former sovjet member states. So at age of 18 no longer a minor, with a few nuances from country to country (sometimes deliberately, sometimes remnants in the laws of the old age of coming of age at e.g. 21. What does differ between the member states is the age of sexual consent, where i live it's 16, but there are countries with age 17 or 14. Here there is currently a debate ongoing to lower that age.
"legal definition of a 'child'...ranges from 13 to 16..." 16-year-old lolis? WHAT IS THIS BLASPHEMY??
Seriously just give up already LPD's just a bunch of people with nothing to do but wreck everything. Stupid politics(politicians) and old hags.
Don't these people believe in evolution? "If they're old enough to bleed, they're old enough to breed." They aren't a bunch of EVOLUTION DENIERS like those intelligent design right wing Christian whackos, are they?
The bad news is: "Anyone who likes loli is going to Hell!".
The good news is: "Loli is legal there".
If lolicon is ever illegal where I live, I'm going to act like the African-Americans did in the 1960's.
Glad to see that the Japanese government has found something to keep themselves busy with while their banking sector, labor market, and education system disintegrate.
ahhh bastards at it again
Uhh, don't even mention that creation of the devil himself!!
I hate censor in ero!! I mean it totally messes up the fine composition of the picture and sometimes it's only a thin line, that actually doesn't cover anything but bothers like hell!!
+ mainly every otaku can draw...So banning 'public loli' is like creating a whole new underground market for doujinshi...They just didn't think this trough...
(I am not an Anon Member just too lazy to register). It's like annoying to see the LDP being too persistent.
Personally anything offending should be considered when its a blatant and intentional attack directed at you personally whether it be mental or physical. That's where the crime starts. It's all case by case process.
Really I don't know anymore. Loli advertisements or porn being sold. It may offend me to see it stores, but is there any such proof that loli pron is a personal attack to me in anyway? No. I think not. There is no wording or verbiage that personally directs it to me. Is it literally telling me or the populas where we can actually go and buy an actual child off the black market? No I don't think so. Frankly it's upsetting. Well this can be regarded for not just loli but any other type of porn.
And this brings up another issue. Why is any kind of consensual sexual relationships considered such a bad thing? When love is involved, why is there a problem to the point of crime? Promotion of consensual sexual relationships and love shouldn't be looked down upon. Seriously. Of course your parents have the utter right to prevent you from having relationship. They are raising you, giving you a house to live in and food to eat. You don' own the house, so the parents get to make the rules until you can move out, support yourself, and/or contribute to society (pay taxes, etc).
The government however doesn't really have any right to get involved in something on the level of a family dispute.
Really, when it comes to MEDIA SUCH AS VIDEOS, PICTURES, etc its all come down to technology. Things are too readily and easily available to us that we no longer know how to parent our kids, or keep things in moderation from one another. It's like episode 1 of Kino's journey about the country's citizens that could reach each other's thoughts. It's sorta at that level now. We see things and know things about other people that we wish we hadn't learned about in the first place. Privacy (even without the invasion of privacy laws) is no longer here. It's like looking into a glass house. We can't keep to ourselves anymore because we know what everyone else is doing.
This is truly why this damn loli ban is even getting the slightest bit of attention. Well it goes even deeper. But yeah...had these panics not gone on if you had given it about 50-100 years without change of development of internet it would have been common place. =_= Really. Sorry that was long winded. Feel free to copy and paste this in the forum.
Displaying loli genitalias?
Holy cow, I would be in heaven!
stop giving age to fictional characters!
"Were the LDP to pass its law, Japan would have by far the most draconian anti-porn laws amongst the major developed nations…"
But then the market in Japan wouldn't be held up by their massive porn industry anymore, and would be left with one leg. With UNICEF working on banning hentai, it'll be left without a head, too.
So if you want to lose all your money and destroy Japan's economy, Mr. LDP, then please, kill off the things we Otaku thrive on. Make us rapists.
It's good to see that the ruling party is against it so far. Hopefully it is just the one party just trying to be a pain for the other. I'm not one for loli, but it's still freedom of expression.
Where are these groups when shit happens to real children?
God damnit.
The last thing Japan needs is a loli ban, EN might take it to mean they can get even more stupid bans passed, like a ban on all eroge or porn period.
Nothing says walk all over us when the government does it to it's own people....again.
It'll never last.
Shouldn't that Prinny be blowing some place up with a bomb strapped to it's belly as that's what prinnies do after all.
Really the moral fags in JP are beaten and discredited worse then the ones in the US.
The ones in the US fragmented the Republican party really they should secede and make their own party called the we have our heads up our ass party.
I can't wait until they pass this law, and then realize they have to establish an "Official Government Office of Determining How Old Drawn Characters Are." I foresee...trouble.
It doesn't matter what we say or do, they are adults and are responsible for their own actions, weather they pass no-loli laws or not, they are able to make up their own minds.
I'd like to point out that the stuff we see on the internet from Japan is not what people see in Akihabara... So it stands to reason why something like a ban on loli might even occur in the minds of anyone, its not even unreasonable, but it does need some tweaking to appeal to freedom-of-speech standards.. kissXsis doesn't show any loli porn, there is so far no intercourse, but its essentially loli pornography, HOWEVER, there are people who wont read kissXsis because its too perverted.
So it really makes sense to me that someone might make a stand against loli pornography, and I like the idea of 'no-excessive-violence' in my porn.
I like the idea of illegalizing all porn enjoyed by LonerGoth.
But who determines how "excessive" the violence is? Wasn't a game banned from Xbox just because a girl fell down after getting pushed/shoved?
yeah it was from some eroge game and we know the xbox has some of the most violent shit on there. Its a huge double standard men and brutally hurt men, women can do some the worse things to men and nothing could happen. Yet when a women get hurt by a man heaven's wrath will rain on that poor soul. If she had it coming or not. I seen it Cops so many times the women whooped the guy's ass, busted a bottle over his head, etc. When the cops come if she has a few minor injuries the man will go to jail before the women. I even remember there was an article where I women cut up her man with a knife and she go off with "disorder conducted" when it was and should have been attempted murder.
On the minimally positive side, the fact that the bill is roughly the same as before means that even the LDP ignored CEDAW. CEDAW's suggestion was, after all, to include banning pornography "that promotes violence against women" in this bill.
Japanese economy lives from loli, no loli Japan will go poverty
Ten Little Lolis And Then There Were None.
cuz they grew up?
Lolies don't grow.
What is it? Tell me!
Oh, but don't say anything about the growing lolies, because I still love my 500 years old loli.
Then I got some bad news for you...
::cue the Lolinator::
"I'll be back..."
If this passes then the next thing you know a certain chinese idol is elected as their prime minister...
Can't wait to see their failure
Loli can't be ban cuz everyone love it
LDP just have no other issue to argue LOL
Nooooo...... Seriously... is only animation.... people need to chill more
*yawns* not again....
Maybe they should ban those LDP right into Antarctica or something.
Let all these guys lobby in Antarctica, they can pass all the batshit insane laws they want there, though I'll feel a little sorry for the penguin locals.
Watch these idiots fail, again.
"Besides Japan, only America regards all under-18s as minors"
Maybe, but even in the case of Australia where you are a minor until the age of 16, it is still illegal to work as a prostitute or a porn star until 18, and likewise drawings of under 18s come under the same ruling. So it isn't just about whether you're a minor or not.
If I was drawing Power Puff Girls ( not in Erotic way) I am consider a Pedophile?
"(...) whereas for most of the developed world the definition ranges from 13 to 16, with some even allowing 16-year-olds to work as prostitutes."
Citation needed.
I'm all for loli, but let's not get carried away here.
Check south America/Brazil
Doesn't it vary state to state in the US?
Yes and no. There is the state and federal ages. It's like here in Canada. Each province is different and the federal age is 16 I think.
It's all very confusing anyway.
I live in the redneck province, age of consent is 14, huzzah!
true the youngest legal age in the US is 14 no lie...
Aaaaactually, Sweden consider anyone u18 a minor as well, apart from being allowed to get a job that the parents give a thumbs up to. In the eyes of the law you're old enough to get a sentence at 16, but not the full term until 21.
And if memory serves, Sweden consider all hentai punishable by the child pornography laws.
No they don't, not when it comes to the age of consent. It is set to 15 years old except for very specific circumstances where it is raised to 18 years old; like being under the care, guardianship or similar of the perpetrator.
Such Blasphemy...
blasphemy? this is madness!!
MADNESS? THIS IS SPARTA!!!!
Indeed I did.
Now... why am I calling myself a fag?
samefag got tiered of waiting for someone to make the apropriat response
Curse, you speech bubble!
I'd hit that bird with the force of a thousand suns
if i remember correctly, shes suppose to be like, 1000 years old isnt she?
Etna is over 1400 years old.
That makes her free game!
Then how old must be the speech bubble
Nope she is 1400 years old =P Flonne is 1500 and Laharl is 1300 xD or in my book Etna = 14 years old flonne is 15 and laharl 13 XD
righto the point is shes over 18
You ppl are loosing the point. XD
loli harem
Damn birds can't shut up!
<3 flonne
<3 Flonne
admit it. you secretly love the speech bubble. it keeps you on your toes.
just let them ban the loli and kill lolicons so there will be more virgin women for us in the future!
they will get old ya know.
and banning the loli is THE FIRST STEP to WORLD DOMINATION and complete DESTRUCTION OF PORN.
BOOOOOOOO!
if I dominated the world I would let porn be given away to anyone who asked, and whatever they asked for.
I love seeing Etna here. She is loli and over 1400 years old. Therefore, legal adults can be loli, age is no factor. Just ask Washu.
If I dominated the world, all loli would be mine <.<"
Why are these people getting so riled up over fictional children...? It's not as if they can prove the age of a piece of paper...
I wish that was true, but in America two judges in two separate cases have ruled that (I'm paraphrasing) "There can be a [kiddy porn] crime even if there is no victim." The stupidity of this is obvious, but that doesn't make any difference to the poor guys who are now in prison.
They just need something to do in their spare time. Without things to be offended by or vote against, many politicians and equality/feminist groups would have to start doing things that may actually benefit humanity in some way, and I don't see them doing that in the near future.
"It's not as if they can prove the age of a piece of paper..."
if you put it like that all things drawn are loli, and so everyone that reads a book with drawn males and females are underage, thus making everyone lolies!
Good point. X3
NO, GLaDoS will kill us all, even the lolies, keep her out of this!
THE LOLICON IS A GOVERNMENT CONSPIRACY BY TEH UN! THE LOLI IS A LIE! *cue glados*
that makes little sense, the opposite is more believable.
The inability to prove the age of a character on a piece of paper would mean that, more acceptably, THERE IS NO LOLI.
actually we can prove the age useing carbon dateing. and therefore anything that came out in the past 17 years is loli
For most Otakus. The average Eroge age for Loli's is around 8-12. Though considering it's japan they can make even 17 year old's look like loli's *Lucky Star* so it's basically just how they look and not how old they are.
The way to get around that is to simply put a disclaimer in 1pt font saying, "All characters in this work are over the age of 18."
That way it's word of god and no one can say otherwise. Course this limits the storyline a bit, but we still get our lolis
Actually, you could also argue that the creation of characters in anime/manga first occur in the mind. Thus, you would need some sort of measuring of when the creator created the created creation to gauge if it is over 18 or not.
If the DPJ are against a ban I hope they stay in power for a long time.
Would be great if they stop the censoring alltogether, away with the pixelation.
yes they can, it's called carbon dating, so all drawn porn is loli
Are you implying that the drawing of naked ladies was invented sometime in the 1990's ??? :P