83% of Women Chikan Victims
- Categories: Japan, News
- Date: Oct 26, 2009 18:55 JST
- Tags: Bizarre, Chikan, Crime, Police, Public Transport, Statistics, Trains
Police surveys of Japanese commuters reveal a shocking 83% of women admit experiencing chikan encounters on the nation’s trains.
The “urgent” police survey of commuters from the areas around Tokyo asked 2,100 men and women about their opinions and experiences of groping.
Of nearly a thousand women participants, 83% claimed to have “met” a groper on a train at some point.
The survey also quizzed commuters as to what measures they thought best to tackle the problem – 82% thought patrols of trains were the a suitable approach, 75% thought a toughening of penalties appropriate, 74% thought cameras might be the answer, and a surprising 62% considered that warnings broadcast through stations might be effective.
Police are planning to install high resolution cameras in trains to tackle the problem, although there are concerns that cameras will have no more luck than passengers in spotting the often discrete attacks, and it seems unlikely they will encourage victims to more actively resist or report the maniacs who make the nation’s trains so fraught for female commuters.
Further, many find the figures themselves improbable, speculating as to whether women with no experience of such attacks would even participate in such a survey, and whether chikan would even consider 83% of women worth groping in the first place…
Via Mainichi.
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I hope I get to grope once before things get tough...
+1
i dun mind to marry the victim, as long as they have their virginity...
how bout a girl that haven't been groped but being fucked by boyfriends and get into sex party often?
whether chikan would even consider 83% of women worth groping in the first place…
Exactly
Such indecent acts have never been committed on the Miracle Train. They should follow how they do things.
15% are groped, 68% are lying, I guess it feels bad to be the only woman no one cared to grope.
It must be mentioned that this "groping" we see in the post picture is too extreme and not a real measure of what really happens in trains.
the surprising statistic is that only 17% of japanese women commuters are ugly enough to not get groped.
I bet plenty of those "gropings" were actually someone shifting their weight or moving and accidentally brushing their hand against the women. Just trying to move on a crowded train could lead to a few accidental ass touching be it a man's or woman's ass.
haven't been groped but lost their virginity... NTY, I must marry a virgin women. i hate the handsome guys who use their handsomeness to fuck girlsss and dump them like a tissue... how many Virgin American WOMEN (18+) left in this world??
0?
At least half of them were "groped" accidently.
Only cute girls get groped, not old hags.
This news makes me very horny.
makes us*
there, fixed for ya
lol wut??
don't worry there is always the plains to grope on mabe even boats.
Boats!
D:
I don't like boats...
Can't swim if I get tossed over for groping...
taxi's perhaps (if you carpool)
hahahaha... then if train you can jump to another train if they catch you???
"come on ride a train... and ride it *wooo wooo*"
I can't be the only one that remembers old 90s dance songs... lol
I don't think it'll go away for a while though, when I was in Tokyo, being sardine-canned makes it really easy to do, I thought I was going to get groped by the lady I got smashed into...
from living in America I was paranoid and kept checking for my wallet -_-
Nice boat. It had to be said.
almost raped
It couldn't be helped.
right
Already gotten my grope, and going for some more soon on the early schoolgirl trains. ^_^
Because all men are potential rapists...
You should not start a sentence with "because."
And you shouldn't take everything your 5th grade English teacher told you as gospel.
Sorry. It just bothers me that people make such a simple mistake.
Except it is not a mistake, its grammatically correct as it is.
Starting a sentence with "because" is perfectly fine in creative prose. Which this is.
Really? I guess I'll have to research more closely into structure composition.
PROTIP: English is shit. It has hundreds of rules that contradict each other and no one really knows what the hell is going on.
As long as you can speak without sounding like Sloth you're good.
I have to agree with you on that note. Thanks for the tip.
Inaccurate poll because 83% is a B.S. percentage.
I bet you can see many men shaking hands with one another for no reason whatsoever... it looks like they just co-operated to grope
60% were groped other 23 were fugly and dumb, so they considered hands back side touching their asses as chikan alert
THEY ONLY WANT TO BE LOVED! Can't you understand their pain?
Exactly, that's why they're making such a big deal out of chikans and wanting female only trains. Women who get groped don't like the perversion, while the ugly ones want to be able to say "It's not that I'm ugly...it's just...it's because it's a female only train, that's why nobody touches me!"
I say hurry up with the MAN TRAINS!
who says females cant grope females?
male logic 1, female logic -69.
Even fat people need love too. They just gotta pay.
Hmm suddenly I have the urge to watch some chikan JAV. Be back in 5
see that’s the thing some women are so fugly that these chikan wouldn't go near them with ten foot pole and there’s probably a ton who lied about being groped so these figures wouldn't be very accurate
I've heard of certain Japanese women referred to as 'Dinosaurs'.
Is that because they somewhat resemble humanoid T-Rexes?! I can see that, given how 'carnivorously' they behave at times.
... Walking with a birdlike motion, hunched over slightly with their designer handbags from Louis Vitton clutched in their clawlike hands.
I won't even go into what their dental bills could possibly look like, since I've (thankfully) never run into any of them.
maybe it's just 1 man who is just extremely active :)
83% is a rather high figure, almost along the lines of:
http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/06/14/70-of-schoolgirls-rape-victims/
Although in this case it was a real survey done, the definition of "groping" probably varies a lot between women. If someone's bag or suitcase was rubbing against them they could consider that groping. I've been on the train packed like a sardine, seems hard to avoid such a thing. Only way to stay clean these days seems to be don't bring any carry-ons, hold the rail with both hands, and stay perfectly still.
NEET and hikikomori?
The way the sentences are turned, it would also be possible for +80% of men to "meet" a groper.
I onced groped a man on a train... accidentally.
It's good to share.
D:
some boy groped me during middle school. i guess he thought i was a girl. after all i had long hair and girlish face back then :P
This is an example of why we need Anon's - that comment was priceless (and witty) and should be rewarded!.
It's not like anons are banned from the site... and look at his rating, he's almost at 1.
LOL
well, share time isn't really necessary, but that's funny.. and how fast did you go wash your hands?
*Feels groped*
Me: What are y-
*Sees Abe*
Me: Uho!
That was a tear-jerking situation you imagined.
omg
i fell out of my chair laughing soo hard
the title lead me believe 17% of men were groped. i am curious to know how often female chikan strike.
You think? I think they were groped by man...
does it include foreigners?
umm... yeah... hey last time some guy was poking my hand with his erection. gave him a furious look... also cos i'm a dude and i can intimidate and shrink his dick off.
*fap*
You should have yell EEEEE a pervert!! That should shrink his erection for sure.
It's because the women are perverts! at least according to google translator...
Using google translator on original article:
In addition, female respondents (940 people) for about 83 percent "may have been a pervert" respondents.
Btw, what exactly 'met' means? is spotting a groper counts? what about unintentional/accidental touching? what is the exact question leading to this 83% number?
Awww, how cute! You thought online translators were accurate!
You can't trust google 100%. I suggest that you do some research using books and academic articles that can help your claim.
I suggest you simply learn Japanese.
女性回答者（約９４０人）の約８３％が「痴漢にあったことがある」と答えた。
83% of Female respondants (approximately 940) answered that they had experienced groping.
The 'met' you are referring to is the literal translation of 痴漢にあった done by google which didn't take into consideration that contextually can あった imply running into some form of misfortune (experiencing the groping) as opposed to literally 会った meeting the groper.
Parallel example: 事故にあう To have an accident. You have an accident, you don't meet it. Nonetheless the same verb is used and that's the way it is.
Or why Kana alone needs you to do a thorough analysis of the context. In the case "事故にあう" (Meet with an accident), the verb "あう" is written "遭う", using Kanjis. (" 事故に遭う")
This form is also clearly documented in dictionaries online. The 大辞泉 gives : 好ましくないことに出あう。(Meet with an unpleasant event)
The 大辞林 gives the same thing, albeit written differently (An unpleasant event comes to you) : （「…にあう」の形で）好ましくない出来事が身に及ぶ。
What are all those squiggly lines in your post? you get a bad version of windows 7?
The idiom is a bit more flexible than that though, at least without the kanji - I saw 2ch happily punning about the "I met a pervert" reading of the same sentence.
Unfortunately, it is less flexible in English.
The Japanese noun 痴漢 remains the same to represent the groper but also the act of groping.
Whereas in English you would have 'met a groper' / 'experienced a groping' without so called 'liberal' techniques (raep).
Inherent linguistic differences in languages just don't like literary allusion and the like,
Not to play down your attempt in conveying said information. Afterall, translation in the true sense of the word is impossible.
No, translation in the true sense of the word _IS_ possible in this case, as opposed to direct translation you're supposed to translate the meaning and not the words.
As such, we have a large cultural and survey context that suggest the intended meaning to be that the girls were groped, rather than them having been perverts or met perverts.
I'd give two possible explanations for the seemingly high percentage...
1) The question was phrased such that women who saw something occur to another woman might answer "yes". Thus for every actual act you get a carriage full of women claiming to have met a groper.
2) Women who hadn't met a groper were less likely to take the survey for some reason or other.
3) They consider any unavoidable contact in a packed train groping.
Which wouldn't suprise me given that a previous article stated 37% of woman considered holding hands as cheating.
4.Lot's of them said they were groped even if they weren't so they won't seem like nobody wants to grope them or just to be in fashion.
Also, those women who weren't groped felt left out, and pretending they were grope-worthy temporarily improved self esteem...
Sad that there is probably some truth to that.
What's the image above from?
Creator: ALL-TiME [http://www.cellworks.co.jp/all-time/index01.html]
Game: 極嬢痴漢電車 ～快楽絶頂ラッシュアワー [http://www.cellworks.co.jp/all-time/gokujyou/main.html]
Romaji: gokujou chikan densha ~kairaku zecchou rasshu awaa
erogamescape entry [http://erogamescape.dyndns.org/~ap2/ero/toukei_kaiseki/game.php?game=11260#ad]
Thanks for the source, Mr. Anonymous
Anonymous has a point. You can't trust google 100%. I suggest that you do some research using books and academic articles that can help your claim.
Strange. The text didn't post in the correct area.
Oh no, they're so going to enforce that chikan identifier stamp..
No wonder they get groped - anyone ever seen how overloaded and full their trains are? It just seems as if they asked themselves to get groped. Don't they already have women only carriage?
This is a common misconception.
Yes they do have women only carriages but it is only treated as such between certain times (eg: rush hour) and at such peak times that it really matters there are many many more passengers than carriages.
(PS: There is also the problem of the women only carriages being filled up by ugly people that wouldn't be targeted anyway. But this is hush hush, don't say it to their faces now.)
Mow many Japanese women are "chikan offenders"?
You know what great "Jackass" stunt would be? Send WeeMan onto a train and see how many 'gropes' he could get without being seen.
Or have a few guys corner some dude and start groping him at once (like the Party Boy bit). Or have a device that has several arms attached and try to grope several women at once.
^^ THIS
Most men won't admit to being groped.
If I had no gf and it was a reasonably good-looking female, I'd stand there and let her do it...
...she slides her hand around and softly strokes my dick...
...she rubs her hot, soft breasts against my back...
...she presses closer, and I feel her hard... her... erection?! GAAHHH! TRAP!! I'm RUINED! *sob*
I lol'd so hard XD
Yes let's put cameras again. Fucking idiots. For the love of God, if someone gropes you just turn and tell him to get his hand from your ass or else you will scream.
If they just sit there and there only reaction is moan well sorry but they don't have the right to object.
Of course the whole survey could be a government trick so they can have reason to put more cameras to follow us everywhere.
Quite possible. The "Harmful Materials Special Opinion Poll" on eroge and anime/manga was complete bunk too. I wouldn't put it past the Japanese government, even with Hatoyama at the helm.
Now all of you understand why feminists target Japan, Artefact just gave a fact, good job Archie, it was a sarcasm thought...
Why not get police women to go undercover? They just have to keep handcuffs. Simple solution to complicated problem!
Police women >> undercover >> handcuffs >> Fuck yeah!
.......
Sorry, you were saying? O.o
Oh yeah, groping... Actually that can happen pretty fast since the most trains are very full so that it is unavoidable to get touched somehow.
84% women my ass when 84% of em look like dog shit after 3 weeks on the sun. and since most women in Japan think that holding hands with another man is consider cheating to them, the question is how reliable are their claims of getting assaulted. ''omfg he touched my arm, i'm now a chikan victim''
dude, firstly its only 83%, and secondly its the percentage that "met" chikans, not actually got touched by one. read before posting.
1% fag
Did you even bother wondering why "met" was in quotation marks?
It's because the verb used in the source material (あう) implies the experience of being groped, not literally meeting a molester.
+
It is the same verb used for literally meeting someone (会う).
=
"met" (in other words, it is a subtle jab at the question being worded in a deceiving manner)
"Excuse me sir, do you mind? Im trying to enjoy my commute ride here"
Would make for an awkward moment...
When you ride the train bring a taser with you so you can make pervs ride the lightning.
gonads and strife man...
Old but funny shit [http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/weeee], man. Thanks for reminding me. ^_-
The best "attack" you can give a chikan when you are being groped from behind is to fart in his/her hand, so he/she can have a stinky morning
are they groped as in 'GROPED' or do they just think grope as in 'bump'. Trains are crowded you know.
'incase of chikan, break glass for hammer'
not even 5% of women are worth groping... whether consenting or not... so this sounds like bullshit.
You know, you don't see their faces when groping from behind...
women all look the same in the dark
Everything looks the same in the dark. Black.
Careful where you place your hands now.
Then the dark is bisexual =P
If a woman has an unattractive looking body, it's often easy to tell, even from behind.
non PC version: Fat women will be easily avoided (by most).
Hey Ayu have you ever got groped while traveling ?
If accidentily bumping into somone on the train counts as being groped, then this data is true. otherwise, this is total bull shit.
'the a' LOL
It's just their imagination.Men are often mistaken for being chikan even though it was really just an accident since the train was really crowded at the time.
Yes this is very likely those trains are way to over crowded it's probably next to impossible to not bump against someone during rush hour.
This is probably where the police are in error as there is a very big difference between bumping and grabbing a woman's boobs or repeatedly dry humping her.
But this is no surprise more often then not the police are in error it seems to be a universal thing that transcends national and cultural boarders.
Last comment of the article made me lol with it's truth.
Well, this is why women only train compartments exist.
Fuck this kinda of shit then becomes ammo for the feminazi's
I think it's funny most of the guys on here haven't even been to Japan and they're making assumptions about how it's like. "ugly/fat girls don't get groped" and whatnot. On real trains the groper will often come from behind, or a really gutsy one will corner the girl. Maybe they saw the girl when she entered, but most likely they just want to rub some tits, ass, or pussy.
I can tell you I'm overweight by North American standards and I'm visibly foreign. Judging by the amount of times I got groped during my two year stay (AT LEAST once a week), I'd hate to see what the an average or beautiful Japanese girl goes through. Seriously it's a bad scene, and I would get on the women only cars whenever offered.
At first I was shocked they would target me because I was of the same though process of the rest of the people here: I'm foreign and fat so they won't touch me. But when you're on a train... I don't know if they just had really low standards, were too sexed up to care, or just couldn't pass up an opportunity to grope a foreigner. There were times I was too exhausted from work to do anything, or he was just groping and not sticking his hand under anything so I didn't care enough to stop him. Rarely there was a man who was so.. talented that I felt strangely honoured to be targeted. But THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A HAND AND A BAG IS NOTICEABLE.
So yeah... just the insight of someone whose known it.
Pics or it didn't happen.
why don't they just employ traps as a deterent
You sir won an internet with that post.
They need to get some cars.
But what would they mean by saying they met a groper?
Maybe some of them just saw a suspicious looking guy or something.
If 83% had really been groped they would have done something about it already.
Many of them must be lying and many of them must be exaggerating.
How about broadcasting the faces of the gropers in the middle of Shibuya? (along with charges of course)
Or even better, recycling the recorded ac over and over again zooming and all?
Do these two and I bet you there'll be a new group who'll get the same gaijin treatment in train, women.
That's just fucking ridiculous, what is the origin for all of these groping incidents?
hiting them is wrong...
83% victims?
That'd be what, old hags and pre-teen girls too?
good to know japan has 17% of women population that no one will dare touch either because they are too ugly or they have a stamp on them.
I demand some of that HIGH DEFINITION video please
Not sure we can trust those numbers considering the source.
If Police in Japan are half as much of the exaggerators and liars as Police in the US are then it's probably best to divide any number they produce by 4 or 5 to get to the real result.
Yes police will stretch the truth if they can cause a moral panic to get more power.
Come back with a survey done by a third party that has nothing to gain.
90% of women everywhere say they once were groped, even the ugly ones?
these statistics are just non-sense really, women get upset if you gently push them aside...
ever heard of a men calling a women a groper when they are pushed aside? also why you don't want your country ran by women: Marget Thacher anyone? what a royal cunt that was...
Old Marge the Battleaxe was a great politician..
Biased survey. I know a lot of Japanese people and none of them had anything like that happen to them. Japan is a fairly safe country.
You're silly.
This is SanCon!
The solution? Put moar train cars reserved for females and kids.
That's what they do in Mexico City, where the subway is as crowded as Tokyo's and also reeeeeeally crowded with chikans, and so far great results have been reported.
The reason this percentage is so high is because most women get touched lightly by some nearby guy's bag or hip, and OH MY GOD ITS A MOLESTER gets fired in no time. Who the hell hasn't been touched in a crowded train?
me, I'm ugly and pathetic
It is actually disturbingly common, I have no reason to believe the children at the elementary and junior high school (that i was a silly ALT at) would be lying but kids came in nearly weekly crying from incidences like this.
There was several other incidences such as a guy who tried to cut a girls skirt off with scissors and a man who revealed himself to a group of very young children during a parent child craft evening.
That's not to mention men masturbating in public and similar ughhh shit that i personally experienced.
I don't think it would be quite as high as 83% but I'm not exactly surprised.
Survey is always biased, they only choose to ask those who are easy to approach.
Women should have their own carts separated from the men.
The Onion: always relevant
http://www.theonion.com/content/opinion/its_not_easy_being_a_frotteur
They should of also made a follow up survey of Japanese women on what was there Bra Size was when they were grope that can be another factor.
That's because the other 17% were too damn ugly to grope.
I say, this is a wonderful example of natural selection!
Are they too polite that they can't scream for help? I understand from their perspective, but it just sux to remain defenseless....
They already knew the problem, is it really hard for them to solve it?
Well there are still lots of anons on a side note
(I'm anon by day and user by night)
Howabout better train systems?
If there are Youtube videos and American ads of Japanese guards having to push people onto the train, you know there's a problem...
This survey is hard to believe, unless it includes gropes from 40 or 50 years ago!
The closet "grope" I ever experience is when the train suddenly stop and I felt something soft pressing me from behind, too bad I didn't get to see her face, well I guess imagination rules
83% of women overreact!
.....pfftt they know they want to be groped anyway.....if they really didn't want it they would turn around and say. "Good say please remove your hand from my firm behind thank you very much...hmph the nerve of some people these days." "Gzzz sorrrryyyy just trying show you some love that and your ass was just calling out to me....but I see how you wanna be I apologize for my actions have a nice day miss."
Biased survey is biased.
What is so exciting about groping a random girl on the train anyway? I think it would be better if she does the groping, then I'm actually getting some pleasure out of it. Like this I am just doing all the work.
"Of nearly a thousand women participants, 83% claimed to have “met” a groper on a train at some point."
That probably translates to 'I saw a man on a train once'
No woman likes to think she is not desirable. Maybe that goes some way to explain this absurd figure?
Trains are getting a little bit crazy hahaha
hmm anyone wanna tell me who the girl in the pic is lol
So, why not a only-woman train? Same price and placed together behind the other trains so that the timing won't be different.