A woman who sued her former partner after he agreed to cover the cost of their mutually agreed abortion has been awarded $12,500, with a judge saying he “must share equally in the burden.”
The couple in question met via a marriage guidance service in 2007, and dated for only one month before splitting up.
However, it later emerged that in this short time the women had been made pregnant, and the couple agreed that the best course of action was to end the pregnancy.
The man formally signed his agreement to the procedure, and agreed to cover 30,000 yen of the cost, even accompanying her to the columbarium to pay his respects to the remains.
However, it appears this was not satisfactory to the woman, and she later demanded consolation money from the man, which he refused to pay. She then sued him.
The judge subsequently ordered him to pay 1,140,000 yen in compensation for the distress the woman underwent, saying:
“As the woman’s pain and burden were something you jointly caused, you should equally share in shouldering the burden.”
The man “behaved sincerely, but did not fulfill his obligations as a father in leaving the choice of whether to have the child to the woman.”
The man appealed the verdict, but was rejected. The woman’s lawyer hailed the decision as “a significant verdict which upholds the responsibility of a man.”
Via the Tokyo Shimbun.
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its all about money baby! if you want burden why not keep the baby?
gimme a hundred bucks and i will forget what you did last summer.
I think there are going to be even more spinsters in Japan now..
Lesson here here is never get women from agencies
I recall people were laughing at 70% of Japanese men not having a girlfriend...but with women (and the court) being like that, who could blame them?
Even if the sex is consensual, women do suffer more in this kind of event... the problem is to determine whether the women actually need the money to lessen the burden or she just want some extra cash. Basically the judge need to be sure that the woman is having the burden because of the abortion event and not just using this to blackmail him (and making him in a lose-lose situation).
What really made me curious is the next quote that the man leave the choice of abortion to the woman = the man didn't fulfill his obligation as a father.... isn't that discriminating? so what the man should do? isn't it's best for the woman to choose because it's her body? If the man forced the abortion then he is fulfilling his obligation? or he has to choose to keep the baby to fulfill his obligation? so the woman that choose to have the abortion is fulfilling her role as a mother?
I know that in the old days most law like this benefited men... but in todays law women and children have way to much protection (or at least get better treatment) compared to men.
He already lost money due to lawyers.
She's going to burn in Hell for having an abortion anyway, and he will for agreeing to it.
Doesn't matter.
Troll or Christian? I suppose it doesn't matter, they are both the same.
Troll or Atheist? I suppose it doesn't matter, they are both the same.
Hmmm I wouldn't call Anon 14:25 an Atheist. You don't know that. He could be Buddist, Agnostic, Taoist, Hindu, Jewish, etc. as well. The whether or not they are burning in hell line was very trolly Christian, and they seem to forget that their are other religions other then Christianity and Atheist (not really a religion but whatever lol). The fact of the matter is the Muslim religion alone has a lot more followers then Christianity, and I'm sure their are many more Buddists then Christians in the world.
Personally I'm not into a God who calls himself a "loving father" but says everyone that doesn't believe and loves him will burn forever without a chance to change(after getting there) in hell. Honestly if the majority of Christians were born in a Muslim family in a Muslim culture they wouldn't be Christians but Muslims, and apparently Gods gonna punish you and well over 60% of the world for all eternity because they weren't born in a Christian family.
Honestly that guy might be a very good person, and just doesn't believe abortion is wrong. I would have to imagine if their is a God, then he should be taking care of good people. Rather then siding with people on interpretations of right and wrong, based on human judgements.
I lol'd hard at that comment
Which one? the Troll or Atheist one, or the freakishly awesome one!?
Because money totally heals emotional wounds amirite?
I dunno..... $12,000 would go a bit of a ways to healing my suffering. :\
*Miroku74 snorts*
Well, the case is done and over with. No sense bitching about it anymore.
This is why men breaking up with pregnant wommen should ditch her by making sure that IT'S IMPOSSIBLE FOR HER TO CONTACT YOU, including but not limited to actually moving away to a different place and getting a new address/phone number.
You sound like a massive loser.
sounds very wise to me, hell 12000$ even covers the assassin debt
Or kill her and bury the body in a forest somewhere...o wait! did that came out loud?
Lesson to us, Japanese woman aren't tend to play nice, and alway aim for your money. If you happen to have a sexual relationship with them, never let's em know the size of your wallet, or even better: your real identify.
Women should not have the right to sue. They overuse it greatly!
Well, this practically says to never get married and a prostitute is cheaper in the long run...
So, sexism is institutionalized in Japanese court. No wonder the population is dying off, its an industrialized nation with third world governance.
And here is yet another reason for the Japanese man to find comfort in a whores nether or in the 2D realm.
OK, the guy agreed to pay for the abortion and he did so. Looks to me like he kept up his part of the bargain. I don't see how that extra bonus money even was part of the equation. The guy had to pay her more money to compensate her for her "pain and burden?" What the hell is that? He payed for the abortion what else is he supposed to be paying for? Her trauma at having become pregnant in the first place? Why doesn't the woman owe the man anything for the trauma he went trough when he discovered the woman was pregnant in the first place and that he was now liable for supporting her child - a child he'd have essentially no rights to, BTW? Actually, that last part sort of puts things into perspective. Yeah, it's clearly bullshit that this guy ended up having to pay this bitch 'consolation prize' money for her abortion. There's no way she deserved extra money, but - with legal systems the world over clearly favoring women over men - it could have been much worse. It could have been worse in that the whore could have *had* the child and used it to extort this guy out of *way* more money and grief than she did. So, yeah, the guy got screwed - but it could have been even worse. Hopefully this will be a lesson to him about 3D women and why they're just not worth the trouble in the first place.
Why should a man pay for an abortion? Isn't it the woman's fault for not using a morning after pill or abortion pill? Much cheaper.
Could a man counter-sue on the basis that paying roughly half or more of his annual income will give him "emotional damage" concerning the abortion?
Your misreading that comment there. By doubling up he meant more than one type of birth control at once, IE condoms & birth control ("use a condom while she's on birth control"); not wearing two condoms at once. Reading comprehension is your friend.
so not even a WRITTEN CONTRACT is worth anything anymore...
I'm amazed the man must consent in Japan, there is a place to pay respects (most people in America who have abortions don't believe it's worth respects) and the man is involved. In America the women are such sluts they don't know WHO the dad is.... wow.
What if he wanted to cum outside,but the women grabed him with his legs and he came inside?
with her legs
"a marriage guidance service"
lol
It's the woman's body and her choice (as we're always told), yet the man has to pay for the "distress" she undergoes as a consequence of the abortion?
Ridiculous.
Should have used Falcon punch it's the solution to most problems in life.
This is just ridiculous. This woman doesn't seem to have even a tiny bit of self-respect. She is the one who can get pregnant and should be taking precautions. Blaming others for your own mistakes is a great way to grow up as a person.
This is the logical equivalent of a thief suing the person they caught themselves in a bear trap inside that person's house.
What's next? Suing teachers because their students refuse to go to class and drop out? Suing cops for shooting down armed criminals? Suing the pope for encouraging religious hate?
It's silly how they call for "male responsibility", when the woman shows just as much negligence, despite being the one at risk.
p.s. Artefact, you've misspelled responsibility on the last line ;)
"The man “behaved sincerely, but did not fulfill his obligations as a father in leaving the choice of whether to have the child to the woman.”"
RAAAAGEEEEEE!
Best advice I ever heard was "Get a vasectomy, but keep it a secret" (be sure to get one of those reversable ones though)
to me it sounded like he should force the women to have the baby anyway and then take the child away from her and rase it as a father.
Kinda taking responsibility for it
this is bs
This is so bad off. They make a child together. Decide to have an abortion together. Pay for it together. Then months later she starts to feel bad and sues him, and wins. Right that makes perfect since, cause we know that it was all his fault.
Awwww fuck!! Feminism is spreading like a plague in japan!
It's not feminism, it's being a money-hungry whore.
And anyways you are talking about feminazism.
wish it is as deadly as plague
I wish I could write it's first victim's name in a little black notebook.
Gotta person in mind for that book right now, as a matter of fact..... <_<
Aside from me, Lisa Lampanelli. :P
You mean yourself?
what about the other side??
what if a man and woman gets together, they split,or stay together and the woman gets pregnat, and has an abortion on her own!
then can the man sue her for emotional pain and burden damages? if we follow the logic the judge has!!!
just like in canada... if you mistreat fictional childeren.. you get jail time for it, if you follow the logic to its end.. you should be put in jail for murder for every game character you killed, and have to pay alimony to every fictional woman you've ever gotten pregnat in every eroge you've ever played!
the stupidity has to stop somewhere!
This is one of the reasons I'm against Abortion, or atleast find the argument that it's her body and her choice alone complete bullshit.
She can abort without you knowing, or she can keep it and extort money out of you for child support or some other shit.
There should be a way for men to legally abort a child. like a document stating that it's no longer your child because you "aborted" it.
Child still alive, you just legally gave up your right as a father and with it, the ability for the women to extort you for support in any way, shape or form.
i blame the retarted man even though i'm a man also. FUK DUMB SHIT CHECK "hey when's your fuking period so i know i can bang the shit out of you and not get a kid" and PROTECTION THINK FUK. If he had done that he wont even need to pay the abortion money and get sued. But he might have gotten sued anyway for screwing her because she'll probably file raep
Can someone translate this please?
"I blame the man, even though I'm also a man. He should have asked when the young lady'd be going through her period so that he could minimise the chance of siring a child, and he should still have used protection. Had he done that he would not have had to pay for the abortion, and subsequent emotional damages charge. However, the prospect of a rape suit would still have existed."
Thank you Anon 15:32. You just made my day.
All I'm getting is 'Derp, derpderp derp. Derp-derp, derpderp DERP! Or something like that.
Any of you others know what he's trying to say?
Never mind... I just noticed Anon 15:32's contribution. Sometimes being visually impaired sucks. ><
lol that judge is retarded
And the guys lawyer also. How the fuck did he lose a case like this?
I grasp It. I just don't grasp it from your point of view. more on "I been in this type of situation view" Live by this rule "Shit Happens"
when your with a woman shits gonna happen thats gonna spin your head
MIIN you are an IDIOT!!
According to you women are like little puppies, you have every responsibility for everything about them but they have none for there actions. Sorry mate but last time i checked, women had a brain too. Except if i was wrong.
His responsible for having unprotected sex with her but she isn't? WTF!! If they want equality they should have a part on the responsibilities there selfs.
Whenever something goes wrong the woman is the victim and when something goes right she is equally responsible for the success?
If i am to take it that whenever i am with a woman am responsible for everything just because she's a woman then you better give me all the authority also with no equal rights. Because if she's like a pet and am completely responsible for her then i should be the one giving the commands like i do with my pet. I ain't gone take the responsibilities and take commands also.
Not to mention that it was HER decision to have an abortion. What pain and suffering? She wanted to do it.
The guy let HER decide on what she wanted. If he forced her to have the baby despite her will she will still drag his ass to court to make her agree with her and pay for pain and suffering for making her do something she didn't want to do, or making him pay huge sums of money that ain't realistic for the baby and her. No matter what the poor bastard did, his fucked.
But getting pregnant is just as much her fault as his. She coulda insisted that they use condoms, but she didn't. She coulda gone on birth control, but she didn't. Then when she did get pregnant they both decided that it would be better to abort it, they came to an agreement and even had a contract. Which was fulfilled, however that wasn't enough.
As for your whole "shit happens" argument that's just ignorant. Shit only happens if your stupid, always use proper protection. Hell double up use a condom while she's on birth control, then the odds of pregnancy are nil.
correct, you could wear 3 condoms she could be on the pill and after sex she could take the morning after pill, and all 3 condoms could break and the pills not work. It is a probability lol.
btw why would anyone where more then one condom?
Doubling up is stupid (and even more stupid was the comment by Anon above saying to go for 3). It has been proven that 'doubling up' increases the chance that the condoms will break substantially due to the friction between the two rubbers. Wearing one condom gives you 99.9% protection. Wearing two will give you somewhere in the real of 60%.
Smart thing if you're going to have sex: Wear a condom, have her on the pill, and if something goes wrong take the morning-after pill. If the pill doesn't flush the system, go to a family health center and explain, they'll give you something stronger. Voila.
Smarter thing: Don't have sex unless you're ready for the consequences.
Fucking amen!
shit happens even if you are smart. Even if you plan everything down to a T, shit happens. Shit happens because you can't control everything that happens in life. Particularly other people.
Coat hangers don't even cost a dollar...
Oh god.
Wut? You leik fucking coat hangers? O_o
Draken? I'm confused by your post. You do know coat hangers are used for abortions (without a doctor).
But then the guy would still have to pay for the emotional stress given to the woman haha.
Nah if it was a back alley abortion he wouldn't have signed an agreement.
So basically he did his duty paying his half of the abortion for their mistake and she want to abuse the legal system to make money.
No you little faggot missed the point or in this case life lesson
women come with fucking risk know that. if you ever been in a fucking relation ship you would know this but you dont. Think befor you wanna fuck a woman make sure thats the chick you wanna bang cause shit comes down the road like this. and you just have to man the fuck up and stop bitching. thats life sorry its not some magical 2d world.
hahahaha, what are you smoking?
Jeez if only he had made an agreement with her before hand or something... The judge was making a decision based on his opinion and nothing to do with law.
More or less the judge just said contracts don't mean shit, I can do what I want.
BTW he shared in the burden. The 30,000 yen to pay for half the abortion.
As the woman’s pain and burden were something you jointly caused, you should equally share in shouldering the burden
Say what ever shit you want judge,no one can equaly share the pain with a women unless he suddenly became a women and went through the same stuff.
Money doesn't make any difference about that,she will only lead a little better life with that after this.
Um you all seem to be missing the point. They both were at fault for the pregnancy, and because of that they both agreed and paid for the abortion. That should have been the end of the story, but the woman either regretted her agreement or wanted to make some money, and she decided to sue the man for no reason.
She agreed for the abortion and signed an agreement with him. That should have protected him, saying this was her decision as well, but instead the judge used it against him somehow and had him unjustly fined, off of emotional costs. She could have had the baby and put it out for adoption, or had the baby and made him pay for child support. But she didn't it was her choice to abort the baby, so her emotional costs should be invalid.
Not to mention each person is different. The father of the child could go through emotional pain of aborting his child as well, but no one would care about that.
What are you talking about?
Its not even on the article the man asked if the woman was on the pill.
You are assuming things now.
Dude condoms break and the pill is not a guarantee, hell on some women it barely works at all. When that failed to happen that was what the abortion was for. I'm sorry but no baby, he paid half, case closed.
Where in the article did it ever mention anything about her claiming to be on the pill? Where the hell are you pulling this ridiculous excuse from?
Don't try and peg it all on the woman, they were both idiots. Even better than the pill or a condom, don't fuck someone you aren't willing to have a child with. It works wonders.
Yeah, that amount is bullshit, this is coming from a woman, but this is reality, when you take risks and screw up you pay for it. Sucks for him that he picked the wrong chick to get preggo but I'm sure it wasn't a cakewalk for her either.
More importantly the:
"As the woman’s pain and burden were something you jointly caused, you should equally share in shouldering the burden"
is a total load of shit, if she had taken her pill like a responsible person she never would have had the "pain and burden" to deal with. People need to take responsibility for there own fucking mistakes.
so the man's at fault for taking the woman at her word that she was taking the pill?
what th... oh wait. yea. That sounds about right actually. Never take a woman at her word.
This is why men need out on pill.
If he had used a condom the way he was supposed to as a responsible person, he never would've been fucked over a barrel like this to begin with.
Leaving that rubber in the shrinkwrap doesn't do jackshit from keeping the baby spackle from settling in the woman's womb, does it? Now... not all people are ignorant about using prophylactics like any sane, responsible adult should, but.... fuck, if you prefer skin to latex, you get what you paid for, IMHO.
It is bullshit, but he had a hand in his own downfall too.
You don't seem to grasp what this article is about at all.
Wow..so now we're paying money to "console"...? This has to stop somewhere. Male-female relations are strained enough as it is without stuff like this making it worse.
WTF? Wow... That... wow
Holy fuck, that's one EXPENSIVE abortion!
Plus the "damages" award... stunning.
Best to bank your sperm, then get yourself sterilized to avoid any spendy "accidents".
lol and i thought only American judges are that retarded
Yah it does seem being retarded is a requirement for being a judge go figure maybe society is on it's way down the crapper like Rome.
"My body, my choice" = You pay for "oven cleaning"
amirite, feminazis?
oh sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet!!!
The judge was from Equality Now.
well if the law is anything like in the states... that money will be heavily taxed by the government. AND reported as gross income. so maybe the japanese government just wants more money.
oh oh and in relation to other articles... this just promotes the whole idea of men preferring anime girls more huh.
Uh, it's still cheaper than the alternative.
You mean because Korea protests the Japanese eating the endangered Fin Whale?
+1
Getting back to the subject though, this is yet another example of how men are pretty damn disadvantageously positioned in modern society. I have great respect for those women that fought for women's rights back in the day, but it's been taken much too far. On top of that, I've noticed men hardly ever complain about this kind of thing. And when they do, women strike them down immediately using the "fact" that apparently men still have more power.
I see what u did there. x3
i mean with all the stupid shit that happens to men when dealing with jap women, getting harsher fines and penalties... its no wonder jap guys prefer anime girls, they got some fucked up society....
lets put them on the endangered species list.
Leave Korea out of this!
If you place them in the endangered species list, it won't take long for people to include them on culinary cuisine dishes :D
Begin single is PURE WIN!
Whether or not he should've paid depends on how she got pregnant, and why the relationship ended after a month.
If he was some douche bag looking for a quick girlfriend, then he should pay.
If she was some sneaky whore, screw her problems.
If they're both like that, they should split the bill 50/50
critical reading is a bounce
The man formally signed his agreement to the procedure, and agreed to cover 30,000 yen of the cost, even accompanying her to the columbarium to pay his respects to the remains
she then Sued him for MORE cash.. and got away with it... tbh BS
Lol, Y30,000 for an abortion?
That's about $298 in usd.
i wish yen:usd conversion was what you think it was
things would be a lot cheaper
your right $325.65 exactly
It's more like $325, I think, but that's really splitting hairs... are you sure that YOU understand yen:usd conversion? A pretty good rule of thumb is that a yen is about the value of a penny.
i dunno. i was just assuming because of the shit economy, that the dollar was low at the moment. sorry. =/
They punish the unfulfilled obligations of the father and not the abortion itself... Sweet isn't it?