Two twins who downloaded a variety of shotacon materials have been jailed for possessing “virtual child pornography,” with the judge condemning them for “victimising” imaginary children.
The men, both 20 and residents of the Canadian province of Nova Scotia, were reported to police by a sister-in-law after she came accross “distressing” images on their computer.
Police searches soon found a substantial collection of shotacon material on their computers, saying 90% were “cartoon drawings called Japanese Anime.”
The pair, one of whom is said to be an active homosexual, were subsequently charged with possession of child pornography, both for the minority of real images and their manga collection, which under Canadian law is considered “virtual child pornography.”
The state prosecutor insists that victimising fictional children is a very serious offence:
“Every one of these images involves the victimization of children. The victimization wouldn’t happen in the first place if there weren’t people there to look at this material.”
The judge was equally scathing, saying the drawings “victimize” children:
“This is a crime that victimizes young people around the world. It creates a market which then re-victimizes the most vulnerable in society.
The images can only be regarded as disgusting and perverse.”
The judge handed down a three month prison sentence for each of the twins, ordering they be registered as sex offenders, provide DNA samples and refrain from contact with children, presumably including imaginary ones as well. A sex offenders’ treatment programme will attempt to cure them of their deviant lusts.
In a final twist to the case, the court accepted arguments that the pair, having been branded pederasts for the rest of their lives, would likely be in danger if housed amongst the general prison population. As a result they get to serve their sentence only on weekends, and in protective custody.
Although drawn imagery depicting underage sexual activity is constitutionally protected free speech in the USA, and has been upheld as such despite a variety of efforts to ban it, Canada possesses no such checks to the power of legislators, and consequently draconian laws against “virtual child pornography” are freely enforced.
Via ngnews.ca.
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Why is it that every article that has shotacon or shota's in it seems like an excuse to post a Jun pic?
haha
manga doesn't victimize children, pedophiles do.
It's like saying "But, the knife made me stab him!"
It just doesn't work like that.
Wizard's First Rule.
"People are stupid; given proper motivation, almost anyone will believe almost anything. Because people are stupid, they will believe a lie because they want to believe it's true, or because they are afraid it might be true. People’s heads are full of knowledge, facts, and beliefs, and most of it is false, yet they think it all true. People are stupid; they can only rarely tell the difference between a lie and the truth, and yet they are confident they can, and so are all the easier to fool."
they are banned because they actually have rl-shotacon images, if they didnt have rl-shotacon images, they can get off the charge quite easily
WTF
A serial rapist and a serial rapist who happens to be a pedophile in my eyes are the same (The pedophile is less of a threat, since his target is easier). They're both RAPISTS and killers.
That said though, a pedophile isn't a serial rapist until he/she actually commits the crime. A pedophile is just a person who happens to be sexually attracted to kids. Are they irrational amoral monsters? Probably not. Their sexual preference is just that. A preference. No more. No less. It doesn't detract from them as a human being. Compare it to homosexuality if you will. A homosexual isn't any stupider amoral or senseless than your ordinary heterosexual.
That said preemptively accusing people of being potential offenders based on what they choose to fap to or do in their recreational time is retarded. Branding people as pedophiles because they are 'POTENTIALLY' a threat to kids is retarded. I mean, are they so inhuman that they don't even have the right to hide their sexual orientation? If they don't have the intent to hurt anyone, then I don't see the problem. It might just be a phase. Who knows. All I know is that this pedophillia thing is overblown.
No more real child rapists to track, huh?
Go back to your cars and continue gobbling your donuts, you corrupted freaks.
Not surprising considering Canada has a history in cracking down on drawn salacious illustrations of minors. Then again the two were had actual 'CP' in their possession so they more than well deserved it. However, there have been past cases where individuals were jailed and/or fined for having only "imaginary children
You would be extremely lucky to get away with importing manga, doujinshi or art books from Japan. If any contains any type of drawing appealing to prurient interests, Canadian Customs considers it obscene and its seized as contraband.
time for an "Injection"
lolz
shotacon is gay
Wow, they have the Internet up there in Canada?
Next 10 year
North Americs will lose all Freedom
LOL
"...cartoon drawings called Japanese Anime."
Ah correction. That's, I believe, what we call MANGA. Animu is ANIMATED drawings.
Also, I may not now the full circumstances, but some actual "real" shota material was found right? The way you're wording it sounds like they were incarcerated just for simple possession of images of shota hentai.
...By the way, is there even anime centered around the shota hentai fetish?
Maybe they had Boku no Pico related material on their HD?
Ishoku Dougen of Saigado was involved in the character design with that series. Would mean fairly nice artwork.
If simple possession is a crime, then here's an idea:
send loli/shotacon to the email address of all politicians and pro-censorship folks. Use multiple email addresses. Attach as attachments in some, and hotlink in others. You'll need to disguise the sender address, but I'm sure some of you know how (it's fairly easy).
What will end up happening is that all politicians, etc. will have "virtual child pornography" in their email boxes. If they use any common email management program, like Outlook, the emails will often be downloaded automatically to their computers. And so, the virtual CP would be present in their email and on their PCs.
A further option is to print out and mail the virtual CP with a bunk return address; or maybe use a different politician's address. Something like that. You could even include fake cover letters, like "As per your request, see the enclosed images. Have fun!" Something like that.
Then call the cops and report them.
state prosecutors are always asinine twits.
I feel ashamed to be Canadian T__________________T.
The U.K. and so many other countries are no better. Be proud that you actually have some freedoms at least, unlike some other extremist nations outhere.
people, lets not forget that "most" were manga, they apparently had "real" pictures of underage people, and that will get you jail time cuz they are actually "real" as it should be.
.... Blame Canada!!!
I'm Canadian and I support this. Seriously. Stop trying to justify your paedophilia.
So.., does Canada also prosecute and punish those who slaughter virtual people in - gee, I dunno - HUNDREDS of video games?
If masturbating to drawn pictures of little boys makes them sex offenders, then I guess I should be held in prison for several consecutive life sentences based on all the shit I did in any one game alone.
The real pictures? Sure, they should be punished for that. I don't argue with that judgment. However, to say fictional characters need to be given the same rights and protections as real people? That's just fucking ridiculous and down-right moronic.
Yes, let's protect two-dimensional young boys and girls. Let's ignore the actual human-trafficking of women and children. In fact, screw real children. 2D 'people' should have more rights than real humans.
yeah!! ignore the real crimes of our society! sex offenders should be freed! people who're fond of reading doujin and other materials should be put to jail and convicted of crimes against humanity!
You're Canadian and you're a follower with no free will or thought. Seriously.
That's right! We need our government to put a stop to people who are displaying dangerous or antisocial tendencies as soon as they're brought to light. Today these people are looking at naked cartoons, tomorrow they're out raping children. The same thing goes for violent video games - they're just murder simulators that train kids to kill. Violent and sexual movies and books are the same way - they just desensitize society to criminality and bad behavior. Also, there have to be restrictions on people promoting hateful or extreme political views as well. Such people only stir up hatred and cause violence. Don't give me any nonsense about 'freedom of expression' to justify any of this. Freedom of expression my ass.
Freedom of expression has limits. You don't have the freedom to turn yourself into a psychopath or to incite others to become such. For the good of public morals, society has an interest in censoring what sorts of things are allowed to be seen and said. Not all ideas are OK to express or to even think - and it's up to government to determine which side of acceptability a given idea falls under. If your views or interests lay outside of what the government has deemed as acceptable, then what you need isn't more 'freedom of expression.' Rather, what you need is time in a mental hospital or a prison until you get your mind right and can conform to what society expects of you. Civilized human beings don't need the 'freedom' to deviate from good morals and public order in either thought or deed - only sociopaths want that.
This is either the dumbest or the most gloriously sarcastic thing I've ever read.
The best part is I honestly can't tell which.
Either way, thank you so much.
Excuse me, but the word freedom itself implies ZERO LIMITS.
Besides, did you honestly think that violent games and such are actually effective in "training" kids to kill or commit crimes? You think killing is something anyone can do? Bullshit. Just so you know, one reason why nobody wants to fight a war now, is 'cos half the world's army is impotent. No matter how well equipped, at least half of them would be puking by their 3rd kill.
Your point on antisocial... Well, who cares if someone doesn't want to be part of the normal society? It doesn't harm others.
If games are murder simulators, what about movies? Novels? All the various genres? Gore? Nudity? War? Crime? Sex? Aren't these all "stimulating" people to strip others, fuck them, rip out their guts, and stuff them with a grenade before selling them as an art piece?
Somehow, I get the feeling that, you're just another feminist pig from Equality Now aren't you?
Ignorance is high in this one.
I surely hope you support the extermination of violence in fiction too. Or are you that blind to your own hypocrisy? Better start crusading against GTA, Manhunt, Saw, Antichrist and all other media filled with gory goodness!
So what's your justification to banning it? There is a reason why media is only banned if it causes harm. If you can't prove it or you're going to just throw a strawman arguement, then shut up and stop the witch hunting to make yourself feel superior. You'd feel right at home in the middle ages wouldn't you?
"There is a reason why media is only banned if it causes harm."
You have surrendered the argument to the pro-censorship crowd right there. Media NEVER causes harm, people do. Media doesn't commit crimes or acts of violence, people do. Media isn't responsible for people's behavior, people themselves are.
There's a big difference between "media causes harm" and "production of media causes harm". For instance, lots of harm is done during a war, but watching war footage doesn't do any harm. What I'm saying is that the pro-censorship people want to tell you that the media *itself* is damaging for people to see and that's why it should be banned. Once you accept the false premise that simply *viewing* media can be harmful, then you've already ceded the argument to them. That's my point.
As for what you said about "In the context of law 'cause harm' in regards to media includes during the production or making" the judge in this case takes a very broad view of what it means to cause harm in the production of media. From the article:
"The images creates a market, whether anime or live images, and victimizes the people that are most vulnerable,” said Tax."
According to the judge, simply creating such pictures "creates a market for them" and in so doing victimizes children. I have no idea how that's supposed to work unless you're going to assume that simply seeing the images turns people into child rapists. You basically have to assume that the media itself causes harm to be seen or viewed, which goes right back to my original point that media itself can never be damaging. The judge seems to be presuming that the media itself (not just its production) is damaging to those who see it and that this is why it should be banned. Once you accept the faulty premise that media is damaging, only then you can get nonsense like what the judge is saying.
Sorry but you misunderstand. In the context of law 'cause harm' in regards to media includes during the production or making i.e. actual rape, actual torture, murder or child molestation.
Maybe I should have been more specific and mentioned '...only banned if there is harm involved during the production of said media'.
"So what's your justification to banning it? There is a reason why media is only banned if it causes harm."
Accepting this premise is what allows the pro-censorship crowd to get off the ground in the first place. Some ideas *are* dangerous in principle and, if followed though on, will lead people to do dangerous things. Using the 'causes harm' argument, you could then say that any expression of such ideas should be banned. It's not hard to conjure up scenarios in which nearly any idea can be construed to be harmful in some way or another if acted on. Thus, once you've accepted this premise, nearly any idea is open to banishment. Real freedom of expression turns this notion of 'harmful ideas' on its head and says "Yes, ideas can inspire people to do dangerous things - and this is precisely why ideas must be protected."
If you believe in freedom of expression then you won't accept a correlation between the expression of a given idea with harmful activity as sufficient for banning expression of the idea. Instead, you'll say that the responsibility for the harm lies with the person who committed the act, and not with the idea or its expression. This is because the *person* is responsible for their behavior - and not the idea. It is the *person* who must accept the responsibility and the punishment for what they have done. Ideas themselves can never be blamed for what people choose to do.
There are some, however, who would choose to blame ideas for people's choices rather than hold people responsible for their own behavior. These people want to destroy and restrict ideas in the name of 'protecting' society. As has already been stated, ideas aren't responsible for committing crimes. An idea can't rape, murder, or steal - only a person can do this. In trying to attack ideas, the would-be censors forget this fact. In so doing, the efforts of the censors fail to combat the actual wrong doing that can only be committed by actual people, and instead simply try to make enemies out of words or even our minds. This doesn't make us more safe, it simply makes us less free.
This is why freedom of expression needs to be protected - even (and especially) when the ideas being expressed seem dangerous - because attacking the expression of ideas cannot make us safer, it can only diminish our freedom.
One question. On average, how many times do you level up your stupidity a day?
As many others have pointed out, does the word 'virtual' or 'imaginary' get into your head? Talking about rights of fictional characters is plain dumb.
It would be as if I drew a picture of a cat or a dog, tore it up, or poked holes in it, and get jailed for animal abuse. WHAT THE FUCK?
Free rights my ass canada. We should be able to fap to anything we want, so screw them for trying to stop us.
Yet another reason Canada has issues.
Though I don't like loli/shota, this is pretty stupid. :/
Why a sentence at all if they're only gonn'a have to serve weekends and for so little? Or register as sex offenders, since there's no molestation or anything?
Silly Canadians.
so, how many people have you victimization in your everyday game of COD4, Fallout, GTA.....
HAY FAGS, LRN2READ.
>>The pair, one of whom is said to be an active homosexual, were subsequently charged with possession of child pornography, both for the minority of real images and their manga collection, which under Canadian law is considered “virtual child pornography.”
They ALSO had REAL kiddy porn. And they were reported 'after their sister-in-law saw some “distressing” images of children “as young as two years of age”'.
In other news today, some fucking retard let his nosy bitch of a sister-in-law poke around their computer full of kiddy porn..
i wonder if people really miss the real cp line in that article.It's clearly visible there
Maybe they only wanna talk about 2d
They were jailed for 'real'pics of dubious quality and hentai. For all that matters that real cp could have been 16 year olds without full nudity.
Before everyone gets their panties into a bunch, remember that the twins both had actual child porn, which is illegal and actually does victimize real children.
Alan Moore's Lost Girls should also be banned too, right Canada?
Seriously, the world went through this once when Lolita was first published.
Fucking fascists book burners, the whole lot.
OH SHIT I MAY GET ARRESTED FOR VIRTUAL MURDER! D:
Who do I have to write to find out if this articles illustration is fappable or jailable?
It's Canada. We aren't allowed to say anything unless our nanny state says it's ok.
lolCanada.
But they got vanned for possessing child porn so that's a given. I'd rage a bit more if it their computer contained 2D shota ONLY.
Good for them, they're idiots.
the judgge and prosecuter probably jacked their stash XD
All those monsters i slaughtered in RPG's!!! OMG Gas chamber is not enough for a sociopath like me!!
WTF, That is BULLSHIT.
My twin and I have lots of loli material.
"Sexfriend" for example.
And I believe is my right to have them.
Whot he fuck came with the idea that manga vicitmises non-exisitng children?
Do they even realsie how stupid that sounds?
Fuck that shotacon.
I hereby condemn my country's actions against freedom of expression.
Maple syrup + Loli = (=^.^=)
Just like if you see a cartoon that is violent, it will turn you into a slobbering, raping monster with tentacles and your soul be will sold to the demons. Seriously. Saw that cartoon once, so I know it MUST REALLY HAPPEN.
At least it does in Canada.
So...does that mean Canadians are more dumb enough to actually try and re-enact fiction than other countries?
“cartoon drawings called Japanese Anime.”
WRONG!
And this is why you don't let anyone look at your computer, ever.
wth, how dare someone hurt a imaginary kid,they should be ashamed...
“Every one of these images involves the victimization of children. The victimization wouldn’t happen in the first place if there weren’t people there to look at this material.”
this quote doesn't make any sense, kids have been victimized long before shotacon and will continue to be even without it.
I notice one thing. There is a lot that doesn't fit with this article, and the source of information.
Why the misinformation Sankaku Complex?
This article gives, in my opinion, a rather one-sided view of the case, with false claims on what happened even.
Oh well, all for the hatred of those that don't share the same interests, eh? -_-
Since Sankaku Complex obviously weren't telling the truth, the resulting reactions from the international anime subcultural online community are irrational and therefore, truthful only to the entire online community themselves nonetheless.
It started with some false claims made by a blog article due to lack of online journalism ethics, which then triggered waves of dishonest, slanderous, almost borderline hateful reactions from an online community. Personally, I see them either as a bunch of immature and childish sore losers, or worst. For they could be fully matured by they meant what they said, and therefore they're a bunch individuals with a personality trade called schizotypy. And they're obviously not the creative type of schizoids.
LOL @ CANADIA
At least you guys can still buy clove ciggarettes. Wanna trade?
Bet the government/soccer mom protestors, wouldn't have any problems with us killing "virtual victims" if the virtual victims were homos. Remember kids, Jesus only hates two things. Violent video games, and sodomy.
lmao
You see the lesson to be learned in this case, kill your family if you must keep shota/loli stuff on your PC lol. No seriously this sucks, although if they had real stuff well so be it.
I wonder if anime/loli can gain religion status. Will it be protected if my country allows me to practice what I believe in as a right and it doesn't directly hurt anyone. :)
Fucking hypocrites, I wonder why there are splatter movies, thrillers and even your average mystery novels, with all of the "victimizations" happening in them...
Oh Canada we don't believe in logic because our brains are frozen solid.
Really 3 months for comics that's even gayer then shotacon pun intended.
Lets see court fees for prosecuting this maybe around 20K to 100K
Keeping those two locked up for 3 months maybe $100 min a day each x 90 days or $18,000 USD whats that in loonies?
Since Canadian Jails are just like US jails cost should be the same.
Also assuming Canada has the same rules for hazard pay for prison guards as the US it is a hazardous job.
This stunt to placate dumb old Christian women cost the Canadian tax payer at least $28,000 USD.
That could have gotten several people a real doctor vs one of those candy stripers.
The prosecutor and the ass who made the original arrest should be jailed for misappropriations of tax dollars and wrongful arrest.
BTW people worried about safety this will make you less safe.
Often when someone is arrested for a victimless crime a real criminal often has to be released to make room for this person.
Prisons are not a magic bag of holding and Geneva conventions require no more then two per cell.
While they are focusing on Loli, probably hundreds of pedophiles are still free.
Really it is fantastically stupid to jail someone over this personally I don't give a fuck what you fap to so long as you don't go around raping real people.
If anything it's pissing away tax dollars as said person is harmless but guess what moral fags it's going to cost $31,000 USD a year to keep them locked in prison.
That 31K could send someone to college for a year yes surprisingly college is cheaper then jail.
The same amount of money could feed 10 poor people for a year, or buy 64 primary school kids new text books.
This also is enough to hire an extra cop or teacher for communities that are short.
But they'd rather piss money away on their crusade against anything they find immoral vs helping people in real life.
Canada ohhh canada the holyer as the holy pope.
Oh wait. You can smoke dope there?
"The state prosecutor insists that victimizing fictional children is a very serious offense:"
I facepalmed hard....
Though it did say they had REAL shota porn in their possession too so yeah they should goto jail for that. But come on Canada, you use to be so cool.
Yet another scary example of the direction we're going in.
We could have had a better choice of pic though, what's with the hot nurse? Should have been some shota yaoi twincest or something, like some Ouran doujinshi or something. Appeal to the fangirls guyz.
Be not too awful though it was thought that it was a severe country for a sexual event.
The young person in Canada should escape right now from the country.
I really do not understand how one can 'victimize an imaginary character'. With this kind of thinking. Everyone with a DVD collection is holding hundreds of people against their will.
Tbh, I think it was the last 10% that actually mattered. The prosecution is required by law to make a case, as in come up with every shit possible. And the fact they only received 3 month means that this is really a minor offense. They probably just pissed off the cops or judge somehow.
This makes me feel ashamed to be living in Canada... talk about over reacting. Seems like they're making a bigger deal out of the manga/anime materials than the live-action stuff...
I personally don't like the whole loli trend going on these days, but if people wanna view loli stuff I say be my guest, so long as you don't go around raping children.
South Park's boys tell me to BLAME CANADA.
And if u don't have a reason, this news it's a reason.
That is fucking retarded, If someone destroys a picture of someone are they committing murder as well?
Yeah well, I'm ejaculating on a picture of this judge, see how they like that.
Thank god I'm american... to hell with canada...
Now, I'm thinking I'm killing 500 persons
wait... 505 and so on, 511
Now, I deserve a trial and go to jail forever?
plz, don't call the police, I love my mind and be free.
Now that u mentioned it, my pvp kills are in the hundred thousands. And I tbaged about ten thousandish. Does that make me a potential necrophilic murderer? Oh shit better take a road trip to mexico
Oh my God, seriously? Tell me, just tell me, how am I victimizing a piece of artwork? "Oh God, the artwork, it's feeling so bad because I'm fapping to it! HEY WAIT, I THINK SOMETHING MIGHT NOT BE RIGHT WITH THIS WHOLE CONCEPT."
Thought this,
minori's access ban was really good action?
どう考えてもおかしいだろ…。
逮捕された双子は即刻日本に移住すべき。
In the animated cartoon of "Ikkyu-san" of Japan, such a gag is.
A nasty adult said, "It embarrassed because the tiger in the picture raged and root it out, please".
The hero"The tiger is rooted out, and put it out from the picture, please. "
First of all, please take out the character from two dimensions if you give human rights to the character of the game and the animated cartoon.
Capturing the character to which sex or it is raped that the police are these boys on that decides it beforehand.
It is appropriate that the image above captures this character due to the risque thing exhibition crime only because this character suddenly takes it off.
It is assumed that the woman began to take it off by the reality on the road, and for instance, all members who saw it do not become the rape criminals and it means the denial or neither refusal nor the pain though it is shouted at sex, "Ah.. Oh My God Noooo".
The judge should step on the procedure of things more.
Dear Cannadian Judges
You should only punish criminal's "picture".
これがアウトでＦＰＳのような殺人ゲームがＯＫか。
これに文句言う前に、拳銃と殺人ゲームを取り締まれよ。
FPSやらTPSだって散々バッシングされてるじゃない。
EAとかドイツから出て行くハメになりそうなのに。
何かを先に取り締まった所でエロが許容されるかと言えばそうでもないだろ。
I'm sorry for talking in Japanese.
I find it funny that I reached this article from a Japanese news site.
これが犯罪なら、拙者達はみな市中引き回しの上打ち首獄門に処されてしまうでござるよ。
Just wanted to make a note that "virtual child pornography" is not entirely legal in the US. It is considered "obscenity" and is illegal to buy, sell, or disseminate it but is legal when kept inside one's home.
OH GOOD GOD I HAD NO IDEA
Time to delete my loli collection D:
:?
I'm actually the boyfriend of David, and I'd like to set some things straight here, okay?
David looked at shota at one point on Forosdz.com, merely because he came across it. (This case started before they separated the shota in to its own sub-forum.) He never downloaded it, nor the real kiddy porn. His twin admitted to everything being his.
David was questioned in the police station without a lawyer, after asking three times for one. He was denied each time, with legal aid saying "you won't need one", while it turned out that they just didn't have one available, which is complete bullshit.
Then, both of them entered a guilty plea, which was suppose to get David a sentence of the 14 days. After court yesterday, he found out that they changed it to 90 days (or 60 with good behavior).
Is the Crown allowed to change it like that? His lawyer told him it would be 14 days if he pleaded guilty. If he pleaded innocent and got proven guilty, it would have been 90 days, he said.
After all that happened, what was the point of putting in the plea, instead of taking our chances?
On a final note, I'd like to remind you that you can not always believe everything you hear from the media.
There are people's lives at stake. I live in the US, and I was banking on him sponsoring me to become a permanent resident. Now I will need to find a job offer, and even then, it'll suck for us to find a place we can live.
Were the questionings taped?
If so, then that might be a reason as well for an appeal (next to the whole judge being prejudiced thing). He requested a barrister and was denied one, I do think that would be a violation of due process as well.
Keep in mind though that appealing such things tend to set bad blood, even if you are in the right.
Fuck countries and people that can't tell the difference between fantasy and reality.
By that logic that judge should be jailed, because he has seem a fictional murder, and is obviously going to murder someone because of it.
Your honor, It's my fault. I forgot you are stupid.
lol qft. There was a news about a judge passing judgement on a internet case and he couldn't grasp what the internet was!?!?! There was another in london passing judgement on a website case he didn't know what a website was.
'“victimising” imaginary children'
What.
I think the general idea is that if it gets spread, it will become (over time) generally accepted to look at real children that way.
"I think the general idea is that if it gets spread, it will become (over time) generally accepted to look at real children that way."
That makes sense. Just like watching war movies turns people into killers and watching movies about bank robberies turns people into thieves, seeing some cartoon porn could easily turn people into child rapists. I don't know why some people can't see the very clear relationship here. Censorship - making crime impossible since...?
I'm glad the government is ready to protect us from such dangerous thoughts!
AMERICA! FUCK YEAH!
Well push a bit and every law system will show it's true color.
Yay for victimless crimes, we need the thought police!