Navel: “Foreigners Keep Out, But Buy Our Games!”

403 for the rest of the world but not Japan? Other Japanese sites I visited work just fine. For whatever reason, they clearly blocked traffics from outside Japan.

None,but what can be done about it? Complaints made to media companies are pretty much ignored. It's rather depressing. T_T

>antisemitism against Japan.

You, sir, are an idiot.

*points to Images section of Sankaku*

You're an idiot. That's not what they mean when they say we are pirating their culture. They are talking about people fucking stealing and copying their shit, blatantly breaking copyright laws.

I love it when japanese say we're pirating their culture. Anime was heavily influenced by american cartooning. Manga was heavily influenced by foreign comics Ralph Baer is the father of games not any japanese person. The portuguese gave you guns which helped nobunaga's fight to unite japan you could all be swinging katana at each other still. Commodore Perry (U.S.) opened up japan from isolation for trade and culture as well as training your soldiers. Then the japanese started a war they couldn't finish because they were butthurt over the Russo-Japanese War (which america was not involved) with a bunch of countries and made a retard move by fucking with the U.S. over an embargo. So we nuked them spread our culture which created modern japan everything modern in japan is either foreign or heavily influenced by foreign originals. Your music, your games, your anime, your manga, your peace sign, your figures, your body pillow STARTED FOREIGN STFU japan didn't create these they altered them.

I LOL'D

24-10-2009 05:17>

We are well aware of the factions within our own country however we are also well aware of the factions providing them a propulsive power from outside.

The issue in this case however is entirely different. Foreign access is a privilege not a right and the contempt shown by various foreigners with their insulting behaviour towards Japanese eroge creators and players creates hate towards you and your creed.
Especially when the majority of foreigners are pirating our culture.

The initial banning of IPs was a means to an end. It was your side that started insulting us when you should have been supporting of the cause. Proxy is easily used. You must remember this was merely 'official stance?' 建前 to create allusion of 'taking measures'.

However, Navel site becomes access-denial for half-day? to foreign IP and suddenly fabrication about 'Navel is hypocrite to foreigners' / eroge company and players are coward! sentiment instantly appears. Yet still you point the finger at us not even realising the source of discontent lies in your attitude itself.

So you're saying japan has never done that? If they want to bitch and moan about gaijin pirating they should stop nihonjin pirating first right? You know the intended market. However stopping pirating is impossible. Please don't get me started about how everything is rip off of something either. They are just using gaijin as a scapegoat blaming it on foreigners not the people inside japan. I want to know how an american pirating a game they wouldn't otherwise have access to hurts them they are only looking for japanese sales to begin with. Not to mention said games are all rip offs of each other with low production costs they break even from the japanese players not the 100's of people they're not selling the game to so fuck them.

This once again exemplifies the xenophobia and arrogance of the Japanese, and how they treat foreigners as if they are less than humans.

If you want to quote statistics, please cite a source instead of pulling that out of your ass.

"I want to know how an american pirating a game they wouldn't otherwise have access to hurts them they are only looking for japanese sales to begin with."

Then there should be no problem whatsoever if you can't access the website.
Since such people are not even customers this whole eroge industry bashing is merely an attitude of self-conceited arrogance.

On another note however, your observation on piracy is mostly accurate. Though, the rebuttal still remains:
Your ratio of pirates to purchasers regarding eroge is phenomenally high in comparison to that of Japan (probably something ridiculous like 99.9% piracy). No access? Bullshit. There is this thing called importing. You obviously understand piracy so don't even bother trying to gloss this over with such sophism. We all know people who don't buy won't buy and it has no effect whatsoever financially on companies if these people pirate.
So what does this boil down to? When it comes to eroge, foreign markets are full of don't-buyers. Simple as that.
Thus, it's not surprising that you are not even considered as a target market.

Anyways, you should feel honoured to have even been used as sacrificial pawns. Yet what do you do? You start complaining that the eroge industry is a bunch of hypocrites?

ε- (´ー`*)ふっ、笑わせるな・・・お前ら最初から眼中にないや。

Now apply that logic to the eroge industry and all their actions become justified.
Afterall, everything obviously boils down to 'jealousy and envy' right?

wow. I just started reading this post because I was curious about its blatant hypocrisy and I realized that there are alot of close minded people out there. Why do so many people hate the US. Ive read 'arguments' (for the lack of a better word) that we, as Americans, live in splendor and prestige and love making all the other 'pure and innocent' countries in the world suffer a much as possible. For those that bring up the past of the US let me remind you that no country is perfect. Why don't you dust off your own countries history books for proof of stupidity.

Also Ive heard that we as Americans believe anything that our propaganda tells us to and that were shallow. How can you put 300,000,000 people in one category and discriminate against an entire nation some of you probably never have been in. The only way youre getting that negative information is probably from the PROPAGANDA THAT YOUR OWN RESPECTIVE COUNTRY IS PROVIDING; and you call us shallow.

The United States of America is not perfect by no means (and I should know since I do live here) but it is by far the most diverse etnically and religiously than any other nation and it took all of us to make it one of the most powerful nations in the world. A great deal of people in these posts (and I am not talking about everyone here because there are some actual logical posts here) bash the US for sticking our fingers in other peoples 'pies' but you didn't realize that the US wouldn't have gone to war if we were not attacked first (9/11, Pearl Harbor, etc). Besides we are not the only country with troops in other countries or have their fingers in other countries pies; unless you guys just omit that fact when talking about us.

Take a good look at you own country before you bash another. Take a look at your own history before you trash another. And take a damn good look at your own upbringing before you talk about someone else because all I here is jealousy and envy.

メシウマｗｗｗ

I bet the South Koreans and the Chinese from the WW2 Generation would bring up touchy subjects about Japan then again who cares they might as well lable them as any outsider a Future Rapist that comes to there country even Americans.

Correction: Those Japanese otaku and 2chan-ers are pigs.

They just barged in and typed some shits in Japanese and accused US of a war that toppled a dictator, when they even don't know what their ancestors did in the past. I like to see what they have to say about what Japanese did in WWII.

And to the guy who said "メシウマwww", I want to fuck you in the ass until you die of hemorrhage.

I'm sure they are well aware of what happened and quite frankly don't care. Some compensation money was thrown around the globe, the emperor apologized a couple times and that was pretty much the end of that.

Understandably, people don't want to be harassed forever by the shadow of their ancestors. So for every time it gets flamed up, people are going to become resentful and start spitting venom (and subsequently others are going to troll them for drama and 'lulz').

In all likelihood, 2ch is what many Japanese really think anyways. (Befitting for a writhing cesspool of animosity.)
However, I personally happen to enjoy such depravity... (￣ー￣)ﾆﾔﾘ

youre just a nationalist pig....

It just blew my fuse how the "peace-loving" Japanese would talk about how bad the Americans are for starting the Iraq War, but they would be as silent as a dead guy when talking about their aggression back in WWII. And then all hell broke loose when they talked about how they got nuked. For the Axis powers, Germany did a much better job of educating their people of the mistakes they committed in the past, compared to Japan who just tried to hide everything and hope that it will be forgotten. They would go as far as to change the history textbooks to hide the truth. Of all countries, Japan, especially Japan, has no right to criticize US, when we fought to liberate the Iraqi people from Saddam Hussein, while as they terrorized the entire Asia and Pearl Harbor-ed us.

*cesspool

American are now trying to emerge as the "champion of justice" when they are still too ashamed to tell their young people what they did in the past and haven't apologized for the atrocities they committed. That's shameless for a country who talks about "honor" and "dignity" all the time. lol

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If the "atrocities" you are talking about is how we got dragged into 2 WWs, then yes, I am sorry that we prevented the Nazis and the Japs from taking over the world. The world would be a much better with them eradicating every minority and underprivileged like the Jews, the cripples, the gays, and the non-whites.

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If the "atrocities" you are talking about is how we got dragged out of national isolation and had extraterritoriality forced upon us like the rest of Asia, then yes, I am sorry that we prevented the colonization of the world by western imperialism. The world would be a much better with occidental aristocrats abusing their power and money while sitting as nobility on the top of caste systems in the every country found in Asia.

Congratulations, you have a null pointer exception.

You are right. I retract the clause on context.

I also agree that morality is indeed subjective and absolutes cause logic-failure so I'll just conclude with something vague and meaningless like:

Everyone is at fault for nothing.(￣ー+￣)ｷﾗｰﾝ

I agree that all countries have made mistakes and that the US is no exception, but disagree that context is only relevant when justifying actions.

As this thread amply demonstrates, morality is subjective. If you want to mix morality with facts, particularly when studying history you have to look at why people did what they did, not just what happened. Use cannibalism as an example. What may be morally acceptable in a life boat may not be at a dinner party. The difference? Context.

The question as to whether or not all or a specific instance of US intervention was absolutaly uncalled for is dabatable, but not answerable in any definative way. That's like asking whether US intervention absolutlay was called for in any instance where the US didn't intervene. Aside from the the obvious pointlessness of dealing in absolutes, attempting to make moral judgements with the bennefit of hindsight while ignoring the reasons people do what they do could just as easily be used to justify anything as it could be to condemn anything.

The challenge was:
"If you could, please name one instance that US intervention was absolutely uncalled for."

True, it is one sided and simplified. It was intended to be. Was merely pointing out to 25-10-2009 14:29 that the US is not the bastion of justice they so glamorise it to be.

Context is only important when you want to justify something (like killing people), I am sure Hitler had his reasons for killing the Jews too.
If it was done it was done.
The point however is, if you do it, be prepared to be hated for it regardless of whether you felt 'implied' to do it or not due to some misguided perversion of the 'white mans burden'.

Also, this is no university thesis. Wikipedia is MORE than enough to make a point. If you want primary sources then go read some declassified US documents or something.

Regardless, the flow of this branch of replies was merely pointing out that EVERYONE is in the wrong INCLUDING the US (it just seems to take more persuasion and shoving of facts in the face when telling that to patriots <as it for obvious reasons should).

Wow...a short, oversimplified and one sided account of history devoid of context thrown together by a wikischolar.

I'm not sure if I should be more amused or depressed.

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So you are saying that it's OK to just sit and watch a country abusing its people? US intervenes because we believe that men are created equal. And we take it upon ourselves to prevent injustice and conflicts, be it Chinese's human right violation, how women are being mistreated in the Middle East, or how North Korea threaten to nuke its neighbors. If you could, please name one instance that US intervention was absolutely uncalled for.

Where do I even start...
The massacre of Native Americans in general was uncalled for. (Assuming you are a US citizen, you should know all about that though... Right?)
So was Gunboat diplomacy [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunboat_diplomacy], Unequal Treaties [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unequal_treaty] and abuse of extraterritoriality [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraterritoriality] in the mid 1800s.

Or should I just mention things like:

1887-1893 - Hawaii : Bayonet Constitution [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1887_Constitution_of_the_Kingdom_of_Hawaii]. Independent kingdom of Hawaii overthrown and annexed [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overthrow_of_the_Kingdom_of_Hawaii]. Quite uncalled for.

1899-1902 - Philippines : Philippine War of Independence. US Annexation of the Philippines. In the end, no different from the colonial Spanish they 'liberated' the Philippines from. The Genocide was uncalled for too.

1912-1933 - Nicaragua : US Occupation intervening in politics followed by usual creation of a military dictatorship loyal to US interests.

1941-1945 - WW2 : A-bomb without any prior demonstration as a warning was totally uncalled for.

War against Communism and Cold War : Epic fail. (everything done by the main players was uncalled for)
1950-1953 - Korea : Indiscriminate mass murder of civilians by everyone. +Uncalled for [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Gun_Ri_massacre].
1960-1975 - Indochina : Intervention only made things worse. +Uncalled for [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War_Crimes_Working_Group_Files].
1961-76 - Cuba : Bay of Pigs [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bay_of_Pigs_Invasion], reaction to the Cuban Missile Crisis [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_Missile_Crisis], Terrorist attacks against Cuba... were these called for? Some perhaps?
But considering the installation of US loyal dictatorships in Iran, Chile, Guatemala, Indonesia, and other such countries... From Cuba's point of view, I think not.
Training the teleban wasn't the greatest of ideas afterall was it? Proxy wars are totally uncalled for.

1982 - Lebanon : Neutral "Peacekeeping" operation that was anything but neutral and peaceful. The raining of shells onto civilians by the US navy was a bit uncalled for don't you think?

1980-1988: Iran-Iraq war. Need anyone even explain why supportful intervention was let alone uncalled for but a really stupid idea?

1990s onwards - Iraq, Somalia, Bosnia, Kosovo, Afghanistan, Sudan, etc etc...
"freedom" and "democracy" says the people who were defending dictatorships run by US loyal elites and capitalism/economic agendas=oil...
"humanitarian intervention" says the people who leave behind massive civilian collateral damage in their wake. 'humanitarian intervention' indeed...
If you ask me, more like "uncalled for intervention".
You may think yourself the second coming of Jesus, but US military intervention is counter productive, inflammatory, it further destabilises countries and quite frankly, in the majority of cases, is not welcome AND ABSOLUTELY UNCALLED FOR.

Side reply 1: Perhaps if China was treated better 1800-1950 they would care about 'human rights'. But right now, they obviously want to catch up and have their sweet revenge on all the nations that fucked them over (Japan being first of course.) Again, intervention will only make things worse... (in this case however, for you).
Side reply 2: From your point of view, sure women are being mistreated. But forcing ideology down peoples throat at gun point isn't going to win you any points. It'll just get you fanatical counter-ideology, exploding people, exploding cars, exploding this, exploding that and planes flying into towers. Equality of the sexes didn't happen overnight in your society and it sure as hell didn't happen at gun point, so less judgemental and more pragmatism.
Side reply 3: Guess who [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA] North Korea learned the art of showing off and threatening people with nukes from.
(1945 Japan / 1946 Iran / 1946 Yugoslavia / 1947 Uruguay / 1948 Germany / 1951-1953 Korea / 1954 Vietnam, Guatemala / 1956 Egypt / 1958 Iraq, China / 1961 Germany / 1962 Cuba / l968-l969 Vietnam / 1973 Mideast / 1980 Iran)

Was there anything in there that made you think twice about US intervention? I hope so...

Indeed, history is nothing more than a tableau of crimes and misfortunes.