Tales of Betrayal? Namco Recruiting Beta Testers!
- Categories: Games, News
- Date: Oct 11, 2009 13:01 JST
- Tags: Marketing, Namco Bandai, Ports, PS3, RPG, Tales of Graces, Tales Series, Wii
The latest Tales “mothership” title Tales of Graces is due for release just in time to be slaughtered by Final Fantasy XIII, but with the announcement of a Tales of Graces Wii bundle some have begun wondering if this might not signal a (PS3) port is in the offing even now…
Some observers can’t help but notice that each time a Tales game gets bundled with a console the game turns up a year later in a “complete” edition on another platform:
In 2003, Tales of Symphonia was released bundled with the GameCube, only to be released on the PS2 a year later…
And notoriously in 2008 the Xbox 360 received an “exclusive” release of Tales of Vesperia, also bundled, which found its way onto the PS3 a year later amidst much acrimony.
Now Tales of Graces is set to be packaged with the Wii. Might it not be released in “perfect” form before 2010 is out?
The real question may be why Namco feels obliged to keep recycling Tales games into complete editions rather than make multi-platform releases, although the answer may be obvious…
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This won't be ported....
I hate Namco so much.
I think they're just testing the waters...
It is an awful thing to deceive its customers, especially when the implication (correct or not) is that they are getting inferior products. In reality, I think the practical difference is little. Taking Tales of Vesperia as an example. Sure, the PS3 version had a lot of new content but the overall story and mechanics are the same. At the end of the day, it's the same experience.
At some level, I am actually sympathetic to Namco's position. They don't make the best RPGs and I don't think they have ever claimed to reinvent the genre. Yet with most RPGs these days, there is always an expectation that a new game is going to be a classic that will be talked about years from now. A battle to protect its "integrity" to consumers is going to be a losing battle.
But hey, maybe we are just so desperate for a quality RPG that we would take anything we can get to fill in that growing gap.
As long as they're going to release a(nother) new loli, i'll be fine with that..
tales is fail
ff13 will crush this loli anime crap
I don't get it.
Why not like BOTH games?
Not like buying one brands you as a hater of the others and all stores in the world will forbid you from buying them for all eternity.
Too bad FF is an old tired franchise that should have tied long, long ago. I know I won't be buying a copy.
Yeah, and they have to switch to action RPG for 13 Versus as to test the water since they already knew that turn-based is more and more like crap as time passed...
So who can explain to me what's the fun in seeing your characters and the monsters taking turns to get fucked?
Oh my, not another "FF7 is the best and first RPG ever made" fanboy again..
Why not have the games beta tested before they are sold on any platform?
"Beta test" in this case is really a red herring created to fuel the pointless console war. The Tales "beta" versions are all retail versions, bug-tested and quite playable.
For Namco, the "complete" or "ultimate" versions are the real challenges, given that they have to be beefed up in content in order to justify people buying them a year or longer from the earlier release.
Their strategy is really good for their income, but is it good for the fans? Not like THEY care anyway.
Sweet. Graces is on the wii. I better keep my PS3 in tip top shape for next Christmas.
Huh, if S*ny fanbois don't mind getting inferior (Wii level graphics) game after a year (= even more inferior)...
Oh, wait, PS3 games suck so badly that no one will notice the difference anyway ;P
But Tales have remade all of their games......seriously they really have remade all of there games.......All the mothership titles except Eternai have been remade......2 of them have sequals...
Actually, Abyss/Legendia/Hearts/Innocence weren't remade and all of them are Mothership titles.
Destiny 2/Rebirth/Phantasia/Eternia saw PSP ports with little to no extras (Phantasia was just given new sprites and a full voice over like Vesperia PS3 while I forget what little Destiny 2 got). However, the difference between them and their original counterparts are so little that they can't be considered remade.
Destiny is the one Tales game I consider TRULY remade. It got new everything and the DC version even lets you play Leon's side of the story, offering another take on the storyline.
Vesperia PS3 has enough content for it to be considered a remake but it still isn't quite there. Patty already had her role in the story but I just think that it wasn't possible to include the entirety of that game on the 360.
I've got Graces and I think this whole beta issue is stupid. Missing data or bugs simply mean that either the game was rushed or Quality Assurance didn't do their job all the way. In Vesperia PS3's case, there are numerous reasons (most of them speculated) as to why PS3 got a "complete" edition. I didn't even expect Vesperia to come to PS3. I was hoping for a new Tales game but I'm not complaining.
Besides, for their first real 3-D entry, Team Destiny still did an amazing job. If Tales remakes or so-called "betas" are bothering you, then stop paying attention to them. Tales games appearing across multiple platforms means that MORE users have access to that game, especially the PSP re-releases since that means portability and those games can be played anywhere.
Reason will be money of course ;)
Exclusive doesn't mean anything in video games nowadays. Except for 1st party games.
Logical thinking might be similar to this.
But this isn't.
No way in hell I am even thinking about buying this for at least a year after that fucking stunt they pulled with Vesperia.
Yeah, bitchers just wait for your supposed PS3 version.
I'll go get the Wii version in just 2 months while you can wait.
What I'm trying to say is: getting a game a year earlier (and its own way, complete) is also a good thing.
And them adding so much new stuff is apprecicated too. I'd also buy Vesperia PS3 (despite already having the Xbox version) if they release it in the west. If they just had done a straight port, I wouldn't.
Like this, I can enjoy a good game twice.
Resident Evil 4, Viewtiful Joe and Killer 7 were the huge Capcom "exclusives" for Gamecube. And it was supposed that Resident Evil later games would be exclusive for the Nintendo system. Not a long time later these three games were released for PS2. And not only that but it released a sequel of Viewtiful Joe as well.
"Exclusive" my ass! The only exclusives that are actually exclusives are Rareware games and DOA francise.
It was Capcom Five precisely, with PN 03 and Deadh Phoenix (and the first remain an exclusive title).
Btw this article is crap.
wtf is ruri doing in there
Question: Is Namco and Bandai the same company? Because I hear of Bandai Namco, but in some games it says Bandai, and in some it says Namco, so I'm confused....also, Namco are indeed not nice for backstabbing like that all the time, but I can't hate them if they are Bandai....they gave me the Narutimate Naruto games for the PS2.
if Graces goes PS3 I might finally go out and get one
screw the Wii I don't want one anymore anyways
Vesperia wasn't enough?
That would be perfect...too good a game for a shitty console like the wii.
Wii is a great console. But ic lacks in third-party games, and graphics. PS3 is also a good console. XBox 360 fails for ruining your disc if you bump it even a little bit while it's running, and for notoriously breaking down so much (red ring of death). I'l probably still get one though....I wanna play Gears of War 2, and the non-crappy version of Bayonetta.
GC/PS2 and 360/PS3 were similar in capabilities. A Wii -> PS3 port would suck unless they completely redid it, which doesn't seem like something they would do.
The only commenter with logic.
Actually RE5 producer said JP devs are happy
with up coming PS3 remote to fold console
with Wii ports so It make sense in japan
ah but if it sells extremely well then that may change. Remember what they did with the remake of Tales of Destiny. You just never know until about 3months after a work's release
If the developers have PS3 in mind in the first place, they could just dump down the quality to make a Wii release. Many games these days have PS2/PS3 parallel release with PS2 version being a stripped down PS3 original. I wouldn't rule out the possibility of that.
Why not port to 360 too?
Because there's too few 360s in GLORIOUS NIPPON.
Also interesting is that neither of those Playstation versions made it to NA.
Inversely, however, the US release of Abyss was more complete than the Japanese version and featured additional Hi-Ougi's and character cut-ins, though the voice acting for skits was left out.
as long as its a mothership tales game, its worth its price, tales games are famous for being so complete in content and gameplay.
...so what platform is Tales of Betrayal going to be on?
i c what ya did there, +9000!!!
Dream Cast
Doesn't affect me. Wii version will be out waaaaaaaaaaaay before I get a PS3.
Be happy, cuz you won't be playing any other games for the next year anyway.
the thing is that those tales games were all made on non-sony systems.if they were made on a sony system i doubt they would be remade
If they were made on the PS3 first, they'd have to downgrade the graphics to port it.
Sure, just like FF13 is being downgraded...other than square enix saying it'll be the exact same. Or how Bayonetta was...oh.
Hasn't stopped them in the past. Graphically the PS2 version of Symphonia was inferior to the Gamecube ver, as was the PS3 version of Vesperia compared to the 360.
This is why Namco is the worst game company on the face of the earth (next to Data Design Interactive).
Namco Tales Studios to be exact. Katsuhiro Harada's division loves their foreign fanbase and goes out of their way to try and please everybody (even if they don't work sometimes).
If you think namco is a bad game company, then cannot be over 10 years old.
You fail at every possible level.
Honestly. I tell you this as a full time game developer. If you were trying to work in the game industry, don't. Just don't even try.
If you think namco is a bad game company, then cannot be over 10 years old.
You fail at every possible level.
Honestly. I tell you this as a full time game developer. If you were trying to work in the game industry, don't. Just don't even try.>>>>>>>>>
Why do you say that?
Namco, continually screws over there non japanese fans with the Tales series and also xenosaga series.
Making games in XNA doesn't count.
They're turning the Katamari series into a Dynasty Warrior-esque "Minor Upgrade for $60" deal, Soul Calibur 4 was notoriously broken and lacking in content, and they continuously waffle on exclusitivity, whether it be Tales of Vesperia going to the PS3, or Tekken 6 going to the Xbox 360.
Worst? Yeah, I suppose that's a bit harsh. However, I can certainly see how many people would be disappointed with them lately.
Prove it.
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Ichigo is not amused
just cause TWO games are remaked does not meand all games are this and the two games are shit anyway
XBOX FTW HAlo3 and lots of cool GAMES!
XBoX FTW XBox is better than PS3
lol ps3 is bad look the games bwahaha
Namco is telling tales to the customers... ^_^
I kind of find it funny too how the tales series LOVES Playstation.. Even I got a chuckle.
So pretty much the first release is on the polyanna console and gets used there before it's released on a hot sexy model console. Put the PS3, despite it's hawt sexy graphics.. is now the hot and sexy super nerd nazi virgin that takes all the yummy games and ruins the ecchi content to make it blah like she'll turn out to be. Depsite the hot body.
Bwahahaha, Fag-Box dude doesn't know how to write, bwahahahaha... "ps3 is bad look the games "... Bwahahaha.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
BURA!!!!! @_@
Don't really give a shit. Vesperia was still good on the 360 and Graces will be good on the Wii.
keep telling yourself that
Keep telling yourself buying a PS3 was a good idea.
Keep telling yourself your a fanboy
ok! easy enough thing to admit.
what they add next? a loli ninja?
Loli priestess.
We need a new gothloli~! Poor Arietta didn't make out the addition to be a main character..
*audition
Do want a loli nurse o_o
Just use the "Nurse" spell in any Tales game that features it...
It wasn't about spells or the like...
Just the mere existence of characters featuring nurse costumes (and nurse as in "mainhealer" ;))
*ahem*
Tales of Phantasia already has that down with Fujibayashi Suzu. Though, the Tales series already had two loli pirates. So why not with a second loli ninja?
you already have a loli ninja in tales of phantasia
i want a loli Ranger
no we need a loli monk
It's not like they do a "complete" edition of every single Tales. Ratatosk is still Wii-only, you know.
Ratatosk isn't a mothership.
Graces and Vesperia are.
It's still a spinoff to a Mothership title. It's definitely not a stand-alone stand-alone spinoff like Tempest.
fail
God Dammit Don't wash rinse repeat make it clean and cut
Should've stuck Wii dammit
meh.
The only tales of game I ever enjoyed (replayed for about 8 times) is tales of phantasia
It was released again on the PSX after 3 years (with a new character) but I doubt that it was intentional.
compared to what they are doing now, its very obvious it is made intentionally.
by popular demand.
So we're picking two examples, one of which NEVER got a NTSC-U release (PS2 Tales of Symphonia) and using it to try and make a rule to predict the outcome? The sentence "Some observers can’t help but notice that each time a Tales game gets bundled with a console the game turns up a year later in a “complete” edition on another platform" is completely misleading, makes an idiotic point and every single sentence after that is conceived to spite users.
Putting this moronic prediction aside, and as someone already said, there's GC-PS2 and 360-PS3 being similar. The Wii? It's got completely different hardware and output from the other two consoles. Doesn't invalidate the possibility, but makes it most unlikely.
Err Vesperia hasn't been announced for NA/EU either so hes full of fail in this "article"
Honestly he was bored as shit and just wanted to troll.
NTSC-U PS3 Vesperia still come out, however, which is why I didn't mention it never got any. It just didn't until now.
"What are you babbling about? Who even mentioned the non-Japanese releases?"
Apparently too deep of a remark.
It's the fact that this only happened with two games AND not even in all regions.
Speculation with little to no basis is simple masturbation.
trolling =/= speculation
Apparently "speculation" is lost on idiots.
True dat.
What are you babbling about? Who even mentioned the non-Japanese releases?
THAZ rock !!!!! Hope PS 3 ver . kufufufufufu. btw , why nintendo don't realize about the symphonia case ?
Bandai Namco is a company that I would describe as "morally bankrupt", along with M$ and S*ny.
Who cares.
Namco-Bandai's marketing strategy is good.