Christian Fundamentalists Behind Japan’s Loli Ban

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Investigation reveals that most demands for bans on adult manga and anime are coming from radical evangelical Christian groups within Japan, yet less than 1% of Japan’s population is Christian.

Some of the groups involved in supporting UNICEF Japan go so far as to publically decry pre-marital sex and homosexuality as moral degeneracy, to say nothing of their opposition to pornography as a whole, a far cry from the pro-child women’s rights agenda they would have the world believe they espouse.

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UNICEF Japan (independent from, but endorsed by, the UN’s UNICEF) itself admits it receives support from a host of religious extremists, in addition to a variety of feminist groups who perhaps would be aghast at the agenda espoused by some of these mostly evangelical protestant groups:

Japan Christian Women’s Organization (日本キリスト教婦人矯風会)

“The growth in pre-marital sex, adultery, divorce, homosexuality and sex crime threatens to destroy healthy family life and create social chaos.”

Committee to Tackle Prostitution Issues (売買春問題ととりくむ会)

A group formed to ban “sexual exploitation,” whose membership overlaps with the above.

ECPAT / End Child Prostitution in Asian Tourism

A network of groups formed to stop the “sexual exploitation” of children, with much of its support and membership coming from churches. The Japanese arm lists the Japan Christian Women’s Organization as one of their supporters.

YMCA Japan / YWCA Japan

“The Young Men’s Christian Associations seek to unite those young men who, regarding Jesus Christ as their Saviour, and Son of GOD, according to the Holy Scriptures, desire to be his disciples in their faith and in their life and to associate their efforts for the extension of His Kingdom amongst young men.”

World Vision Japan

“[Our objective is] to follow our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ in working with the poor and oppressed to promote human transformation, seek justice and bear witness to the good news of the Kingdom of God.”

Soka Gakkai Women’s Peace Committee (創価学会女性平和委員会)

The Soka Gakkai, a large Buddhist cult, notoriously interferes with Japanese politics through its “independent” political party the Koumeito, Japan’s third largest, and generally supports highly moralistic policies.

Big business also likes to support UNICEF Japan for the favourable PR it can yield; conspicuous in the list of supporters are Microsoft and Yahoo, presumably unaware that they are supporting an organisation opposed to freedom of expression together with groups which consider gay rights and even sex out of wedlock to be an abomination…

Of course, the anti-freedom of expression camp’s literal poster child Agnes Chan is herself a Chinese Catholic who now badgers Japan’s elected politicians into abrogating the Japanese constitution to appease extremist churches.

Some of the groups listed possess an extremely radical agenda; for example the 130 year old Japan Christian Women’s Organization (in Japanese they call themselves a “moral reform” organisation) boasts about being behind Japan’s 1956 Prostitution Prevention Law.

However, this group is a radical Christian moralist group as one of their own published proclamations clearly demonstrates:

A Statement on the Morals of Sex and Marriage:

The growth in pre-marital sex, adultery, divorce, homosexuality and sex crime threatens to destroy healthy family life and create social chaos.

We are aghast at this, particularly with regards to pre-marital sex. We wish for a healthy Japanese society.

Evidently, for many of these groups a ban on “loli” is merely a way of attacking the softest available target.

Their real objective is nothing less than Christian theocracy, with bans on pre-marital sex, prostitution, pornography and homosexuality all fantasised about even as they exploit the credulity of politicians and the mass media about threats to children.

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  • im glad that christianity FAILED in Japan.

    a country who would not blame GOD or religion about their criminal action, as happened enough in Europe.

    i also think, people make religions as the main ideals of religion is forgotten

  • I hate christians, anyone following a god of that caliber cant say crap to anyone. Hes condoned child rape in the bible and worse. Might as well follow satan, if they wernt soo afraid to seek gods rath. Well heres a tip, NEITHER EXIST STUPID! STOP BELIEVING IN FAIRY TALES!

  • “The state must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the people. As long as the government is perceived as working for the benefit of the children, the people will happily endure almost any curtailment of liberty and almost any deprivation.”

    -Mein Kampf, Adolf Hitler, Publ. Houghton Miflin, 1943, Page 403
    R

    • *BEEP-BEEP-BI-DEEP* Reductio Ad Hitlerum.

      Hitler breathed oxygen. Since you breathe oxygen, are you as bad as Hitler?

      (Not attacking you as a person, but when you think about that statement…)

  • pedophile is A CRIME.

    that’s ABOVE any religious faith, any political belief, any dogma.

    homosexuality is a simple sexual perversion, not a crime, not an offense to common sexual behaviour.
    but neither can be a basis to build a social structure on.

    the rest is common administration of mankind since its creation.

    think about it.
    and stop blame religions and useless social groups like they are a serious menace to your freedom of masturbation and gay sex.

  • For fuck’s sake This is why the internet pisses me off. All the myriad flavors of stupidity.

    Okay these are about the only facts here.

    Ever human, hell every LIVING THING dies. PERIOD. Whether or not there’s something after that or some sort of soul recycling cannot be proven in any way shape or from.

    Doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen but it’s like the start of the universe. There’s no way any living being will EVER know. It’s a metric fuckton of guessing.

    Also what’s true is that people are stupid. Some are more stupid than others but there is no human that has never been stupid in their life. Some just are at a 99% or so stupid rate and some it’s like maybe 15% or so.

    People are stupid and people die. That’s about the only obviously true things to be said about this matter in this topic. Everything else is pretty much troll and flame bait and a waste of fucking time.

  • Since when homosexuality destroys a family? O_o Oh, I forgot: if your parents are people of the church and you are homophile they forget about love and throw you out of the house.

    Seems the motto “love the others as they are” is a huge lie.

  • NeonShadows says:

    Anonymous said:
    Really, science is not a faith, it is logic.
    Christianity inversely, is faith, not logic.
    Logic doesn't clash with faith, because logic is what can be seen and proven true or false, and faith is what cannot be seen, but is believed.

    You completely misunderstand what logic is.
    An incorrect statement can be logical.

  • Wow this article isnt biased at all >_> Even if you want to label them “extremists” Whats wrong with waiting until your married to have sex, being against porn we all look but we all know it isn’t good, and supporting heterosexual relationships, take the religion out of it and just look at the male and female body and you can tell man was make for woman. Bottom line people always use the line “right to freedom” to give an excuse to do whatever wrong or perverted things they want to do. If your the type to want to be free to look at underage girls naked then of course you’ll have a problem with “christian extremists”. When a real extremists comes around to murder loli supporters if he claims “right to freedom” then you can’t argue without being a hypocrite. Irony…

    • “Even if you want to label them “extremists” Whats wrong with waiting until your married to have sex,”

      Nothing wrong with choosing to wait until marriage (I find it a bit foolish: sex life is supposed to be an important part of a marriage, so should there is a problem or an incompatibility I’d prefer to discover it BEFORE getting hitched. It is always better to have all the facts before you make an important decision, wouldn’t you agree? I’d also imagine that a wedding night between two people with zero experience would be more awkward than romantic. But to each his own…); trying to get your beliefs/prejudices legislated, OTOH…

      “being against porn we all look but we all know it isn’t good”

      We KNOW no such thing; once again, you’re perfectly free to BELIEVE it, but that’s just you.

      “supporting heterosexual relationships”

      Uh, you do realize that heteros make up about 90% of the population, don’t you? Heterosexuality isn’t going away anytime soon.

      “take the religion out of it and just look at the male and female body and you can tell man was make for woman.”

      Human reproduction requires a man and a woman? No shit, Sherlock! This may surprize you, but reproduction isn’t the be all and end all of sex.

      And be careful about using anatomy to justify your positions, it can bite you in the butt: for example,e looking at the prostate clearly shows that it is made to be stimulated by a hard dick up the ass 😛

      “Bottom line people always use the line “right to freedom” to give an excuse to do whatever wrong or perverted things they want to do.”

      And as long as all the people involved are consenting adults, there is no reason they shouldn’t be able to do whatever they want without any busybody interfering. You’re perfectly free to consider said things wrong or disgusting or whatever, but unless you can demonstrate that they cause actual harm this is your opinion, nothing more (and quite frankly an opinion that the people you disapprove of are most probably sick and tired of hearing)

      “If your the type to want to be free to look at underage girls naked then of course you’ll have a problem with “christian extremists”.”

      May I suggest looking up “ad hominem attack” and “strawman argument”? I don’t remember anyone advocating being allowed to get actual 3D kiddy porn, and quite a few actually expressed a personal lack of taste for/dislike of 2D lolicon. The issue here is that as long as no one is harmed, the law has no business forcing the beliefs of puritan fundies upon everybody.

      “When a real extremists comes around to murder loli supporters if he claims “right to freedom” then you can’t argue without being a hypocrite.”

      When someone starts murdering people because of their opinions, you better believe I can and will argue! Once again, for the slow learners: liking 2D loli = no harm, murder = pretty much the definition of harm!

      On a side note, keep in mind that even should the victim of said extremist be actual real kiddy porn collectors/child molesters, the law has no love for vigilantism.

  • So just because someone’s Christain they automatically believe the earth to be flat? It doesn’t matter if they say otherwise, they’re a Christain so they MUST believe the earth to be flat, right?

  • whta are you fucking saing SAND-NIGER… all the lolis are to the cristiasn , im a crisitan catolic but i admit im otaku tooo , middle radical XDDD

    but the evangelicals y a sectarium group , they are not cristiansss… .. ò.ó!!!!

    the really crisians will stop this stupidy…

    lolis for all..

  • I’ve said this before in here, and i’m going to say it again:

    This is one of the reasons why religion, needs to DIE. (<-)Period! Religion, even though well-intended, does more harm than good in the long run. It rapes more than it rehabilitates.

    • Yea, good luck with that. Religion can’t “die”, as long as we exist as humans with a consciousness which allows us to think freely, there will always be religions. Stop spewing your naive nonsense here and go get educated.

  • Everyone in this entire topic is a moron.

    Idiocy and closed-mindedness are not the exclusive privilege of any religion or worldview. As long as you are arguing and religion and politics on the Internet and calling other people idiotic and closed-minded because you don’t agree with them, you are a closed-minded idiot, no exceptions.

    I speak for myself as well; I’m a moron for even commenting in this thread. I’ll happily proclaim myself self-aware, though.

    • There is a difference between being closed-minded and naive, I’m sorry but I wont just believe something just because some people claims it exists and has never been able to prove it. I guess people who don’t believe in santa are closed-minded, easter bunny etc, right?

      Your only a moron if you fail to contribute something useful, so no, not everyone here is a moron.

      • Are you really that stupid? Read what that guy wrote again. Being open-minded doesn’t mean that you believe in everything, it means that you tolerate opinions that are different from yours, regardless of whether you agree or not.

        If you’re going to attempt to sound smart, at least read through someone’s post completely without jumping to conclusions. By your own definition, you’re a moron for contributing nothing.

  • All right I could care less if you fap to LOLI hentai but I have a serious problem with IRL LOLI it damages children (I know victims of sex crimes both adults and children it fucks people up ) child prostitution is a big issue in japan (and the rest of the world) that needs to be stopped. I personally HATE All LOLI I find it disgusting and creepy but a 2d image is not a person and when you have real 3d LOLI girls texting in code to meet up with salary men for paid sex I doubt Azusa (and every LOLI girl with creepy fans and hentai ) should be top priorty OMG HEZ FAPPIN TO 2d LOLIZ STOPZ HIMZ (while across the street a 12 year old japanese girl is giving a bj to a 43 year old father and husband) SHEZ LIKE 3D WE DONT CAREZ

  • lol @ all those christians going “LOL NOT EVERY CHRISTIAN IS A NUT”. Yeah right, this sankaku post just proved what I’ve been saying for the past years: christians are the reason we have most sex-related taboos.

    • -_-
      Look, even without christianity, or religion in general, people still have their morals. It’s just part of being human I guess. If we had no sex-related taboos, or just taboos in general, the world would be pretty damn chaotic. Of course, I’m against a lot of the “taboos” that we have in general, as some are just the result of being close-minded. But things like murder and rape seem like common sense to be against our morals, regardless of religion….

      Oh btw I’m an aetheist myself. Buddhism’s really starting to sound appealing though :/

  • I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again:
    God told the Israelites to murder their enemies and take their daughters for rape when they entered the promised land. DO NOT claim that the bible has ANY moral value. It is a how-to manual for genocide, torture and world conquest.

  • The stupid, it burns!

    I hate to say it, but some of these comments are classic. Some of this shit I’d expect to find posted by hardcore trolls named billy-bob in the debunking creationism board on richarddawkins.net. Where do you guys pull up this crap, answersingenesis.org? lol

  • if those guy really care about the world., instead starting useless campaign against some drawing they should use the resource they got and save the dam ppl in africa from hunger and disease!!!!!!!!! they just use it as excuse to secure their job and seek political power! dam u! greedy bitchs!!!

    • Like all groups, some people just give really bad names to the majority. Christians, and other religious organizations, have done many good for needy countries.

      I agree with your post, however. I don’t get why people in general waste time arguing over stupid stuff like this, which is comparable to what UNICEF is doing, when we can instead devote our energy into doing something else. Hypocrisy, much?

  • I’m a Christian, and I believe that premarital sex and homosexuality are wrong. I also enjoy yuri and shota. Hentai does not involve actual people. Drawings have no soul. Attacking something like loli only redirects a valid concern onto an issue which has no ostensible connections to actual instances of immorality.

    On a side note, a theocracy would be extraordinarily bad for Christianity. Sure, the list of nominal adherents would rise, but when you make religion the state, the state becomes the religion. Soon, you lose sight of what you originally believed in.

    • So let me get this straight, you are against homosexuality but enjoy yuri? Homosexuality contains males AND females, incase you didn’t know.

      And no, they are not real people isn’t a valid argument.

      I’ll never understand these people…

      • Yes, I am fully aware of what homosexuality entails. If I had the choice, homosexuality would not exist. It does, however, and I enjoy yuri hentai. Hentai, however, has no immortal soul. It is not created in the image of God.

        • That’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard. If something isn’t created in the image of God, then what is it created out of? Seriously, it’s pretty obvious, even for non-Christians, that you live a pretty contradictory life.

    • My brother, you have fallen to lust and sin. Yuri and Shota, even as ideas, defile the name and sanctity of God. Do you think God is forgiving to our imaginations? If so, he would forgive Atheists and heathens for simply “thinking” in a different way. I hope and pray that you will come to your senses and return to the true path.

      ….wow that almost sounded authentic there, kind of scary O_o

      • Nada .. Rab Yeshua was/is a Jew in a Jewish context speaking that which all Jews around Him related to. Essentially all women less than 12 on up were married in the Levant. So not only were almost all sexually functionable females any eye encountered already someone’s wife (not like the 95% phony “wives/marriages” Today); but He was informing them the Apocrypha story of the 2 man setting up someone’s wife for Adultery by lecherously stalking her were already guilty in heart. Rab Yeshua was only talking about real being looking (if you could commit adultery with her you would) on someone else’s REAL Wife based on the Apocrypha story/Talmud. Not an Image of anyone seperate from that sentient being

        • The Bible mentions lust, which applies to hentai. Basically, you’re taking the easy way out by perverting the origin of your own belief.

          Either believe it all or believe nothing. Don’t think you can just stay in the middle and hope you get something out of it, unless you want to be a coward.

      • You may have been joking, but you carry an element of truth. I do believe that I sin in thought, but I think it is more dangerous to be imagining such things with actual women than with drawings. I consider hentai my catharsis for the natural propensities I have as a man.

    • And Lucifer, a Roman deity of reason and enlightenment was demonized by the early Church to further pave the way for ‘the progress of civilization’.

      Because, let’s face it… anyone with a message that we should think for ourselves and have respect for our fellow’s opinions even if we disagree with them HAS to be EVIL.

  • Haaaay, there are more pressing issues aside from meddling with Japan’s culture notwithstanding having the lowest sex-related crimes in the world.

    Why not focus on other countries?

    I say, these meddlers have ulterior motives to sabotage the otaku culture because it keeps Japan’s economy and creativity afloat.

    I just hate it when the Catholics get dragged to issues outside of Christian teachings.

    Hello Radical groups!? Why not combat divorce and abortion being legalized in the US? Afraid of other Christian/Protestant/Atheist factions that have a stronger voice and influence in the West?

    The Knights of Columbus are way better identifying what moral issues need focusing [and they like Japan].

    • if atheists are involved call the asylum, After all, they are really the ones who have any kind of vendetta against christians.

      You leave us alone, we will leave you alone….unless you ask.

    • In bible, God had ever said to Adam to “become many and fill the world” or something like that…

      Now, think.
      To be able to become many and fill the world, we need to do sex to produce children.

      The NON-sin way to achieve this is through LOVE, right?

      and one of the many factors that can make us Love someone is their appearance right? So if even the desire itself is prohibited, then just how in the world we will be able to do love the right way…

  • microsoft might be a good one to contact on this – they just put a huge donation towards a pro-gay rights measure in washington state, and so they probably don’t want to be bedfellows with groups like those mentioned in the article.

    seriously, get a hold of microsoft pr and make it known they may be damaging some of the in roads with japanese otaku they are trying to make with an official mascot for win7 by supporting unicef japan, and they may also do damage for their gay rights work if they are found to be playing both sides of the aisle, even on accident.

  • Atheism isn't quite for me. Though I can certainly understand where anti-religious sentiments come from. They're right here in this article.
    I'm of the opinion that absolute Agnosticism is the most logical. And all too common is the "Hollywood Atheist" who feels all cool for hating and not believing in religion instead of the freethinker.
    I myself rejected Christianity on the inside of my heart many many years ago. One could also even argue that I was never a Christian. But I didn't fill it with either
    Not saying Atheism is bad. I think Atheism tends to be much more logical than any organized religion. I just think Agnosticism is the most logical and not only do I think that outright denying the possibility of a God is illogical, it's not something I'd be fond of doing either. It doesn't sit right with my heart, so to speak.
    What I've replaced Christianity with a blend of Animism, Pantheism, and a few elements of Buddhism.
    And yes, despite the fact I'm not an Atheist, I'm certainly on par with a lot what Atheists say, and support them, especially on the matter of what they say about Abrahamic religion.

    • Yeah, agnosticism is really the way to go. The universe is a pretty weird place, and who’s to say what exactly all the machinations are to it’s working. Better to hold off judgment than say “things are definitely this way” when it all boils down to the fact that we just don’t know.

  • I am Christian and I cannot see anything improper in admiring pictures and drawings depicting cute girls. Of course, the pictures should be decent and cover what should be covered.
    I like cute girls the same way somebody likes art, paintings or music. It ABSOLUTELY does not mean, that I could in reality (and even in my imagination) have any sexual activity with girls below legal age. This is ABSOLUTELY not cute. A flower is beautiful before we throw it to the mud. Not after.

    • So sex is something filthy, dirty and disgusting you save for that someone you love the most?

      Curious, in some places the age of consent for females is 21. Certainly you’re not inferring that marrying an underage girl of 20 and having sex with her is filthy, dirty and throwing her in the mud?

      • Use your imagination. You don’t walk around naked do you? Loli in and of itself isn’t wrong but it treads a thin line. An unhealthy fascination with little boys and girls and cuteness just makes you creepy. However when loli crosses that line into child pornography – when it appeals to base carnal desires and fantasies, that’s surely wrong. I don’t see how anyone can argue against that. The problem is loli crosses that line too often.

  • k said:
    Japan has Christian too?
    I thought they have their own religion like Thailand…
    Wee… I'll join their church when I get a chance to move to Japan 🙂

    Japan is majority atheist.
    Their own religion when they are religious tends to be a fusion of native non-Chinese Animism which I hypothesize as Altaic; and Chinese, mostly Buddhist influence.
    There is a small handful of Christians in Japan. And they are mostly Catholic. Christianity is much more common in Korea than Japan.

  • next time those mormons or jehovahs witnesses come knockin on my door, I ought to answer the door naked and holding a vibrator in one hand and say *oh hi……i was about to jack off on some kodomo no jikan pics wanna join me?”:P

  • what I am curious about is that what they are trying to ban is for all intensive purposes cartoons, drawings, no real people involved except the artist. so where is the problem? who cares what religon you are or are not. I enjoy anime of all sorts but draw the line at toddlers, drawings or not it is a little disturbing to me. but that is my preference. just for the records most wars were generally due to religious beliefs. they don’t worship as we do so we have to kill them. just look thru history and you find this to be true.

    • Because they believe if they don’t tell you what to think, single you out for not thinking like them, and then find a way of punishing you for not conforming to their worldview, they’ll be tortured for eternity.

      • And no, religion isn’t a reason for war.

        Religion is a tool for the elite to manipulate the masses to think that a war of conquest, plunder, and profit that would only benefit the societies elite is actually a good thing for the masses, a righteous thing, their calling in life that they can’t ignore.

        They use the other whatevers beliefs as an easy scapegoat to make their people hate the others, kill and torture them, massacre women and children, so the elite can make a profit off of the bloodshed.

        Religion was/is a tool to manipulate the gullible to keep the people on the side of the church and incite rebellions against kings that are sick of being robbed and told what to do by priests.

        • People with different religion easily despise each other, making drive them to war easier. In my country people some how kill each other just because they are from different village…Human seem to be a war like creature, have you ever see any creature kill it own kind as much as human ???

  • WiseRooster says:

    (just noticed gimmie hell i don’t care)Social Chaos?
    What Kind of bloody bullshit is this?! mean honestly this is ridculous

    then again greaaat radical christan’s are just as bad as anything else

    Can I get the Address of the nearest person with a head out of their ass in the center of the bible belt?!

    • Of course they would.

      They encourage creating brainless obedient sex slaves. I mean that’s the central point in 20-30% of hentai manga. Hell most hentai fans would want the japanese mormonism where every woman is forced to wear only traditional kimono and obey their husbands every whim.

      Now the mormonism down in bumfuck utah…where everyone’s a cousin and the woman are as attractive as a horses cancerous rectum…well that’s just a turnoff.

      But if I was encouraged to marry 12 japanese women…well…hell…who here would honestly dismiss that outright? FLDS encourages loli marriage…looks at warren jeffs psychotic ass. The jp mormon church should rename itself “Crazy western religion that lets you legally marry loli!” and watch 50% of the country convert.

      • To be fair, most Mormons who settle in my sinful corner of Texas seem like pretty decent people.

        Kind of obnoxious in an Andy Griffith kind of way, but not difficult to work around or have lunch with.

  • “And what about all the other bizarre things in the Bible? You know…bats are birds, whales are fish, pi is a round number, snakes can talk, etc.? You’re right about the Bible not saying anything about how old the Earth is.”

    You mean the modern concept of animal classification? And Pi, really? We’re talking about the days without a truly standard measurement system. Talking snakes is a totally different. There are good and evil forces in this world, I wouldn’t be surprised of them using something to that effect. You also have a talking bush that is on fire, most people throw that out first and proclaim Christians to be stupid.

    “Also, I’m sticking to the idea that taking the Bible literally like so many people do does in fact make you stupid. If you treat it as just a collection of stories, that’s great, but buying into any of it as “truth” flatly contradicts what we actually know about the universe and life in general.”

    “How does the the Bible explain the recent discovery of self replicating RNA forming spontaneously out of basic chemical building blocks? Was God watching the scientists and decided to plug the molecules together in just the right way to give them the false impression that they have come one step further to understanding Abiogenesis? Wouldn’t that be kind of evil on his part?”

    There are things left for man to find out. The Bible doesn’t explain everything. And yes, I do believe that God gives us knowledge when we’re ready. As for RNA, it is not something out of nothing. The parts were there, they were put together, it worked. No surprise to it. How to put them together is the gained knowledge given by God.

    When we start creating uniquely new life out man-made atom formations, give me a call. I’m not trying to be mean, but it’s not disproving God or a god when you take what makes life and put it together in the correct order. If anything, one could say that this is proof that someone has to be the creator for something to be created; nature can’t do it. *I’m not saying that, but it is an interesting point.*

    All in all, this has nothing to do with my post. You can believe that perfect singularity broke down, and I can believe that God is in control. I have no argument with you. I’ll listen to what you have to say and give my opinion. I can not answer everything because I’m not God and, unlike science, I do not believe everything can be explained. My original point was that this world is the way it is because of human nature and I believe I’m 100% correct. Even without a belief in a god, the world would still be in the same shape it is today.

    • Why has this comment shown up again if it’s already perfectly readable a few pages up? Are you spamming your post or something? Fine then, here’s my response again if you missed it the first time.

      Oh please… Saying that God gave us the knowledge because we were ready for it is a huge underestimation of human capability. God didn’t specifically help Americans land a man on the moon, they just set a lofty goal and science developed the tools to make it happen. God had nothing to do with it.
      Just to correct you on the RNA thing…The surprise is that no one put them together…they put themselves together into ribonucleotides, etc! The scientists did nothing more than dump the chemicals together, apply the appropriate environment, and then watch. That’s a gross oversimplification, but you get the idea.

      Of course it’s not something from nothing. We’re not talking about something from nothing(the whole idea of nothing is mathematically unstable, so the universe tends to something rather than nothing); we’re talking about life from non-life and how scientific research invalidates most of the horribly inaccurate “truth” in the bible, especially Genesis. Abiogenesis research will show the mechanics of life and perhaps life itself arising from NON LIVING organics. Once high-fidelity replication of coded information is achieved, then the process of Natural Selection can kick in. It’s only a matter of time before we can demonstrate how the entire process works, and you should know that.

      Let me ask you this then… The visible universe is some 80 billion plus light years across (and getting larger all the time due to accelerated expansion), roughly 13.7 billion years old, and absolutely packed with billions of galaxies, trillions of stars, planets, and an even larger amount of simple organic building blocks. Why did God wait nearly 10 billion years after he created the universe to command gravity to collapse the expelled remains of dead stars into a stellar disk to form our solar system, and ultimately us? Seems like an awful waste of material and space to me, seeing most of it is only viewable with the most powerful scientific instruments…and even then most of the mass in the universe doesn’t emit light in visible wavelengths. If he went through all that trouble and undoubtedly tried countless times, why did he do such a half-assed job on us? The recurrent laryngeal nerve is a good example of how shitty we’re built. Another would be the fact that the our optical nerves and blood vessels block quite a lot of the light collecting area of the retina because they spread out on the inside, say nothing of the massive blind spot we all have because of it. What a shit design…
      If it were me I’d ask for a re-do.

    • Well, here’s my idea. It doesn’t make any sense, but it keeps me happy. I believe, if there’s anything that happens that defies the laws of logic (the burning bush), ignore the illogic. God just creates his own form of logic. That explains what created him. He just…is.

      Besides, if the universe can just be, why not God?

      My two cents, probably not as developed. I’m no expert, ya know.

    • When God GIVES us knowledge?

      GIVES!?

      I’m sorry but it insults scientists when people say that the knowledge was dropped in their laps.

      People discover things on their own.

      There’s a difference between scientists discovering germs, dna, rna, creating complex tools and devoloping technology and some mystical sky king deeming us worthy of knowing what rna is and us finding out on the fly.

      With that kind of thinking, mankind could just stick to tilling fields, going to church, and praying, while waiting for god to tell us how to build spaceships and uploading a complete understanding of quantum physics into our brain.

      What I like about ignoring that superstition is that mankind got to where it is on it’s own. The good parts of the world and the bad parts are all works of man. Scientific breakthroughs, great works of literature, man’s brilliance created all of it. A reason for the race to continue is to try to improve on the world and leave it in a better condition than before we were born into it.

      If mankind just keeps killing other humans, preying on the weak, and crapping on the planet while praying for salvation, the world will never improve and will slide into worse and worse states of decay until it’s a rotten dead husk.

  • “The growth in pre-marital sex, adultery, divorce, homosexuality and sex crime threatens to destroy healthy family life and create social chaos.

    We are aghast at this, particularly with regards to pre-marital sex. We wish for a healthy Japanese society.”

    This implies the person who wrote the quoted material believes pre-marital sex is worse than rape (a sex crime).

  • There’s a reason why the people should avoid the Bible like the plague.

    I saw a documentary on early christianity, and in the Early Church, Sadness was a sin. it was one of the worst, but was adressed in the 700s. A Church Legal Council declared that you could be sad and still go into heaven as long as you don’t curse god in your sadness or kill yourself.

    Yes…a bunch of priests got together and vetoed “the word of gooooooooodddddddd” Until then being sad “Blinded people from the joy of the world that the lord god created, leading them off the path of sal…blahblahblah burn in hell for eternity.” -_-

    Thinking about anyone/thing in a sexual way was supposed to be a sin equal to coveting a neighbors wife. So thinking “Hey that woman’s sexy,” is equal to fucking her on the punishment chart.

    Biblical law forbids desire. Without desire what is there to live for? According to the Bible you live to prepare yourself for the life after death…if you desire to enjoy your life you perform a multitude of sins that you have to beg forgiveness for.

    And about forgiveness…people who rape murder and massacre people can convert to christ 1 year before they go to old sparky to be sent to hell. If they convert, they go to heaven. If an atheist cures cancer, builds homeless shelters, adopted 10 orphans, is a kind loving family man and donated millions to charity dies…he goes to hell…but the rapist goes to heaven. Seriously…

    If you ask anyone if that’s just, then they have to say the kind loving atheist deserves hell and christian converts worse than bundy, the nightstalker, and gasey combined deserves to go to heaven for being genuinely “sorry” and converting to christ, then they would go to hell for saying that isn’t right and disagreeing with god’s will.

    Has anyone seen Mao Dante/Demon Lord Dante? It’s a Go Nagai anime where Demons are bad, but God’s an evil dick who just wants mortal slaves.

  • You know why you should ALL hate christianity:

    In the middle ages one of the mortal sins was sadness. Not depression. Being SAD was a sin against god. There was a religious council that decided to ease the penalty on being sad and changing the sin of sadness to suicide. So as a Christian you are allowed to be sad and be safe from going to hell just don’t off yourself. you have a guy in the 700’s or 1300s to thank for that.

    If you lust after a woman that’s a deadly sin and makes you hellworthy. Seriously…entertaining the idea of being with anyone not your wife is hellworthy…THINKING about it is as bad as boinking someone.

    If an atheist is a nice kind familyman who cures cancer and wins a nobel peace prize for building homeless shelters curing cancer and helping victims of violent crime he would burn in hell, but a child rapist cannibal who found christianity in his 10th year of incarceration that apologized had a priest do a ritual and embraced god gets jesus beamed into heaven.

    Listen, Christianity demonizes all human desire. Buddhism advises against human desire and telling their followers that they can have desire but not to fall prey to overindulgence. Christians that experience desire and don’t beg to Jesus for forgiveness go to hell…WTF!?

    Someone should show the Japanese people life in Afghanistan before the us invasion. It had a group of people in power with fundamentalist views, extreme punishments for those who broke religious law, and enforced the holyness of it’s people as the nations moral obligation…was that place the shining place of religious paradise? FUCKKKKKK NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

    Please for the love of WHATEVER don’t let fundies brainwash japan, the last place from their evil influence.

    On a side note…has anyone seen Mao Dante? Demon Lord Dante in english? It’s a “Demons are bad, but God’s a dick” anime persona style…DONE BY GO NAGAIIII!

    In an Irish reform school there was a sex abuse investigation that found out that the school raped thousands of young boys and got away with it because the police were “godfearing men.”

    If God is a God of love, why does he massacre torture and destroy anyone who disagrees with him? Is it love like the way a husband loves a wife until she disagrees, then he busts her lip and loves her when she apologizes for stepping out of line?

    • From personal experience, it’s pretty safe to say that the Japanese are very unlikely to start adopting any sort of religion in the near or even distant future. Their natural understanding is steeped in empirical observation and science, and they’re much more likely to see most religions as strange fairy tales spun wildly out of control to monstrous proportions, than as anything remotely resembling truth. They just won’t say that to your face, is all.

    • I agreed how CP (Child Pr0n) is bad, BUT (I repeat, BUT!!) does 2D characters exist???

      Can they have a spirit? Go to heaven? Hell? Protected by God??

      You’re a sick fuck if you really want to so-called protect 2D characters’ “rights” or other fucking thing.

      Get back to reality, fags. especially the hypocrite Christians that need to clean their brain off stupidness

      • What’s your point? Oh, 2D characters don’t have ‘spirits’ or ‘rights’ Well no shit, you fucktard.

        Who’s to say the 2D loli character isn’t traced, redrawn and stylized from a real-life image? We seen plenty of examples on this website. Like I said, a thin line.

        Utimately a depiction is based on the author’s experiences and invokes a visceral response only if it represents an acceptable, if idealized reality to the viewer. The problem with sexually charged loli is it’s drawn to look like children and that is just too close to child pornography.

    • Treads a thin line? I wasn’t aware that a drawing could be a real child, with real feelings, and real pain. I guess we should stop making violent media. All them dead, imaginary people… so tragic…

      • Boohoo, the “a drawing is not real” counter. Stylized violent media has become quite acceptable to civilized society. The day when stylized child pornography becomes acceptable to this society is when loli stops treading that thin line. Not seeing that happen anytime soon but that’s just me.

        • How can you have child pornography without a child? Like I said, I wasn’t aware a drawing could be a real child. All you have to do is put a “All characters are 18 years or older” disclaimer on the cover and your argument falls apart.

      • Apply his/her theory to religion/not-religion OR religions themselves, and you have a statement that possibly the both of us can agree upon. Therefore, I don’t believe it was such an idiotic comment so as to be rightfully subject to such exaggerated criticism.

        I say sarcasm beats elitism in class and taste any day.

        • Yeah seriously, why we can’t have respect for other people’s way of thinking is beyond me. Now, not having respect for someone’s ACTIONS I can understand, because that’s when people’s beliefs clash in physical form. We’re protected by Free Speech until it invades someone else’s personal space, and that’s when we really need to get together and figure out what we collectively agree on, whether religious or non-religious.

  • Just as long as nothing happens i don’t really care what agnes chan thinks..but if something does happen that should monumentally destroy all forms of anime in japan..i would personally kill agnes

  • Christians should in fact,
    support loli and hentai.

    Because hentai helps us men in fapping.
    And fapping helps men get rid of their
    crave for sexual pleasure~

    If hentai and loli are to be tolerated
    ,cases of harassment and rape will decrease,
    especially for lolicons.

    • darkfalcone says:

      well technically all religon is is a belief system that people of like mind share. even atheist have a belief system. and that is also why no two religons are alike. they started out with a general belief but because they were not completly happy with that general belief they boke away and formed their own version. so you see it is not just religon. Hitler had his beliefs and got a whole country to follow him. ghandi has his beliefs, martin luther king had his beliefs, ect ect ect. everybody believes in something.

  • It’s sad to see people attacking Christians and wishing harm on them. The whole point to the modern Atheist movement is that they are somehow above what makes Christians, and other groups which they do not pick fights with. It’s how about how religion is horrible, causes deaths, and degrades all. Can we finally agree that this has nothing to do with religion and has everything to do with human nature?

    Humans will use anything, bad or good, to get their way. It doesn’t matter who it harms, what is destroys, or whom it eliminates. Just because you clam to have no belief system, which is very laughable, doesn’t make you above this. Anyone and everyone can fall victim to it.

    If there were no religion, we would currently be bitching about how the secondary ruling party of Neo-Japan wants to eliminate the Vedacian* Political Overseers from the galactic union because they support loli.

    What am I saying, no one cares. Everyone wants a monster to fight and, currently, religion fits the bill. After that is over, it will be Goverment. After goverment, it will be the lack of Goverment. Then it will be Freespeechers; so on and so on.

    *Vedacian’s are the alternate timeline version of our Italians… that breed with aliens from Mars.

    • I don’t wish harm on anyone, but I do wish harm on any organization that promotes a belief that generally makes people stupid. How the fuck can people still believe the Earth is only 6,000 years old in the 21st century? It boggles the mind how stupid religion can make people.

      • Not all Christians believe that and, fact is, the Bible gives no age to the earth. There is no reason for the 6000 years thing. We have no real record between the time of Adam and more modern writings in the Bible, so it would be hard to put ANY age to the Earth.

        Christianity doesn’t make you stupid, believing what any fool feeds you makes you stupid. That goes for everyone.

        • This is the problem with trying to talk to an Atheist, you all want answers to everything. Christians do not have all the answers nor does the bible. God did not give man all the answers. There is mystery left in this world and that is where science comes in. A lot of good Christian people are scientist because they believe that it is the answer to how God made the world. Just because the vocal majority, whom are actually the minority among us, tend to be less-than intelligible doesn’t mean we all are. You people really, REALLY need to drop the idiotic notions that were put in your head by your parents, bitter “ex-Christians”, and hate-filled teachers. God is not an old man in the sky, he is a spirit. It’s a spirit that lives in us all. You may scoff and laugh, but that is my belief. I’m respectful to you when you speak of yours, I expect you be respectful to me. I do wish that Atheist would at least TRY to understand how modern Christians think instead of reverting to passed down knowledge that was considered old in the 1800’s.

          On the subject of RNA, it is no surprise to me. If God designed it to work in this environment, then it should work. It should do whatever job it needs to do. Life from non-life isn’t suprising to me at all, either. God made man from the dirt of the earth, correct? I think we call all agree that our genetic makeup is formed from stuff here on this earth. To think that God poofed man into existence, when even the Bible says he didn’t, is absurd. The method, wholely created vs. evolved vs. alternative views, is a totally other subject and one I will not partake in because, frankly, it’s unimportant to me and only causes grief to both sides. I have my views on it that I do not wish to share. Someone else can take that debate.

          About that “half-assed” job, who knows. I believe a lot of our current problems came with the fall of man. Everyone likes to blame God and ask why-oh-why. Ever think about the other side of the coin? You have evil forces at work in this world too, but no one picks that subject. It’s easier to attack a figure people look up to than one they condemn.

          Like I said, you and other Atheist need to be respectful and take a look at a real Christians beliefs and not these yahoos that just walked out of the documentary “Jesus Camp”. But if you’ll looking for all the answers, we don’t have them. That is why you have good Christian people in science.

        • Anonymous 14:37:

          “There are things left for man to find out. The Bible doesn’t explain everything. And yes, I do believe that God gives us knowledge when we’re ready. As for RNA, it is not something out of nothing. The parts were there, they were put together, it worked. No surprise to it. How to put them together is the gained knowledge given by God.

          When we start creating uniquely new life out man-made atom formations, give me a call. I’m not trying to be mean, but it’s not disproving God or a god when you take what makes life and put it together in the correct order. If anything, one could say that this is proof that someone has to be the creator for something to be created; nature can’t do it. *I’m not saying that, but it is an interesting point.*”

          Oh please… Saying that God gave us the knowledge because we were ready for it is a huge underestimation of human capability. God didn’t specifically help Americans land a man on the moon, they just set a lofty goal and science developed the tools to make it happen. God had nothing to do with it.
          Just to correct you on the RNA thing…The surprise is that no one put them together…they put themselves together into ribonucleotides, etc! The scientists did nothing more than dump the chemicals together, apply the appropriate environment, and then watch. That’s a gross oversimplification, but you get the idea.

          Of course it’s not something from nothing. We’re not talking about something from nothing(the whole idea of nothing is mathematically unstable, so the universe tends to something rather than nothing); we’re talking about life from non-life and how scientific research invalidates most of the “truth” in the bible, especially Genesis. Abiogenesis research will show the mechanics of life and perhaps life itself arising from NON LIVING organics. Once high-fidelity replication of coded information is achieved, then the process of Natural Selection can kick in. It’s only a matter of time before we can demonstrate how the entire process works, and you should know that.

          Let me ask you this then… The visible universe is some 80 billion plus light years across (and getting larger all the time due to accelerated expansion), roughly 13.7 billion years old, and absolutely packed with billions of galaxies, trillions of stars, planets, and an even larger amount of simple organic building blocks. Why did God wait nearly 10 billion years after he created the universe to command gravity to collapse the expelled remains of dead stars into a stellar disk to form our solar system, and ultimately us? Seems like an awful waste of material and space to me, seeing most of it is only viewable by the most powerful scientific instruments…and even then most of the mass in the universe doesn’t emit light in visible wavelengths. If he went through all that trouble and undoubtedly tried countless times, why did he do such a half-assed job on us? The recurrent laryngeal nerve is a good example of how shitty we’re built. Another would be the fact that the our optical nerves and blood vessels block quite a lot of the light collecting area of the retina, say nothing of the massive blind spot we all have because of it. What a shit design…
          If it were me I’d ask for a re-do.

        • The bible doesn’t make you stupid, per se: Evangelism does.

          When you’re giving the short version of your beliefs to some slack-jawed yokels in a farflung corner of the world, through a language barrier, there’s no way they’re going to possess the intellect to see the proper context.

        • “And what about all the other bizarre things in the Bible? You know…bats are birds, whales are fish, pi is a round number, snakes can talk, etc.? You’re right about the Bible not saying anything about how old the Earth is.”

          You mean the modern concept of animal classification? And Pi, really? We’re talking about the days without a truly standard measurement system. Talking snakes is a totally different. There are good and evil forces in this world, I wouldn’t be surprised of them using something to that effect. You also have a talking bush that is on fire, most people throw that out first and proclaim Christians to be stupid.

          “Also, I’m sticking to the idea that taking the Bible literally like so many people do does in fact make you stupid. If you treat it as just a collection of stories, that’s great, but buying into any of it as “truth” flatly contradicts what we actually know about the universe and life in general.”

          “How does the the Bible explain the recent discovery of self replicating RNA forming spontaneously out of basic chemical building blocks? Was God watching the scientists and decided to plug the molecules together in just the right way to give them the false impression that they have come one step further to understanding Abiogenesis? Wouldn’t that be kind of evil on his part?”

          There are things left for man to find out. The Bible doesn’t explain everything. And yes, I do believe that God gives us knowledge when we’re ready. As for RNA, it is not something out of nothing. The parts were there, they were put together, it worked. No surprise to it. How to put them together is the gained knowledge given by God.

          When we start creating uniquely new life out man-made atom formations, give me a call. I’m not trying to be mean, but it’s not disproving God or a god when you take what makes life and put it together in the correct order. If anything, one could say that this is proof that someone has to be the creator for something to be created; nature can’t do it. *I’m not saying that, but it is an interesting point.*

          All in all, this has nothing to do with my post. You can believe that perfect singularity broke down, and I can believe that God is in control. I have no argument with you. I’ll listen to what you have to say and give my opinion. I can not answer everything because I’m not God and, unlike science, I do not believe everything can be explained. My original point was that this world is the way it is because of human nature and I believe I’m 100% correct. Even without a belief in a god, the world would still be in the same shape it is today.

          I see the world as a glorious creation and want to know how it works too. Just that I believe in God, you believe in nature.

        • And what about all the other bizarre things in the Bible? You know…bats are birds, whales are fish, pi is a round number, snakes can talk, etc.? You’re right about the Bible not saying anything about how old the Earth is.

          Also, I’m sticking to the idea that taking the Bible literally like so many people do does in fact make you stupid. If you treat it as just a collection of stories, that’s great, but buying into any of it as “truth” flatly contradicts what we actually know about the universe and life in general. How does the the Bible explain the recent discovery of self replicating RNA forming spontaneously out of basic chemical building blocks? Was God watching the scientists and decided to plug the molecules together in just the right way to give them the false impression that they have come one step further to understanding Abiogenesis? Wouldn’t that be kind of evil on his part?

    • Although what you say it’s correct religion gives fanatic and stupid people the perfect motive to spread distraction. Wars, killings and even censorship wouldn’t stop with out religion but they would certainly be decreased.

      I didn’t know atheist had a movement. How can they? They don’t believe anything. And i think the best argument atheist have is that all existing religions define logic as much as Santa Claus does.

      • Uh, just because atheists don’t believe in god and an afterlife doesn’t mean they don’t believe in anything. There are plenty of worthy things to believe in in this world.

        Hell, if anything, knowing you only get one life to live makes it that much more important to do it right.

        It’s true that there are some disenfranchised atheists who are just pissed that they have to live in a hateful, ignorant world, but most of them are new atheists who haven’t yet decided to suck it up and make something of their life anyway. That’s to be expected when you suddenly have to find an entirely new direction in life and don’t have much support from a predominantly religious community.

        At the very least, who doesn’t want to be happy? Who doesn’t want to put an end to world suffering? Finding happiness and avoiding suffering are biological imperatives that even atheists have, and as social creatures we want the same for others.

      • That is false. You have political affiliations, other ideologies, and interest groups. You have skin tone, eye color, and hair color. You have states, continents, and countries. Pick one, all of them can be miss-used and rallied behind. My skin tone makes me superior to you. My love of loli makes me superior to you. It doesn’t matter if you love loli too, mine is better and there for makes me superior to you.

        It’s idealistic to think that somehow religion is the cause of everyone’s woes, it is not. It is pure human nature.

        • But I will give you credit, though–The liberals in this country are in fact, stupid and contributing to the destruction of this country.

          However, the liberals aren’t stupid or destructive based for their fundimental beliefs, they’re stupid/destructive because they’d rather be trampled by their oppressors like mindless masochists and let them fuck over the country instead of actually rising up and getting their way for once in their pathetic lives.

        • Oh and by the way, I suggest you make sure you watch your back and maybe build a bomb shelter like the ‘survivalist facist’ you should be, because Osama will be sending his armed forces to vaporize you sorry-ass liberals real soon.

          I am looking fowards to seeing how your peace ideals and your bumper-stickers will protect you from an invasion force of suicide bombers blowing up everything that’a a target. If you’re still alive, I’d love to see how you escape the conventional military’s subsequent attack on the countless subequent attack on the countless helpless refugees (soldiers tanks, APCs, bombers), seeing as how all transportation, medical facilities, supplies, and communication will be either destroyed are taken over. If you’re a rich, high-profile ultralib trying to help a foreign country while still nonetheless fucking up ours, well guess what? The Taliban won’t be the only ones paying a visit to you and your family real soon.

          One of us is going to run out of energy, pig. I wonder which one it will be.

        • Oh and by the way, I suggest you make sure you watch your back and maybe build a bomb shelter like the survivalist facist you are, because Obama will be sending our armed forces to vaporize you sorry-ass conservatives real soon.

          I am looking forwards to seeing how your 2nd amendment and your bunker-buster will protect you from a B-61 Mod 11 bunker-busting thermonuke dropped from an F-16. If you’re still alive, I’d love to see how you escape the conventional military’s subequent attack on the countless helpless refugees (soldiers tanks, APCs, bombers), seeing as how all transportation, medical facilities, supplies, and communication will be rendered useless after the blasts subside. If you’re a rich, high-profile neocon staying in a foreign country but still nonetheless fucking up ours, well guess what? The SEALs, Rangers, Marine Force Recon and Delta Force will be paying a visit to you and your family real soon.

        • Don’t blame me if you’re stupid enough to act all butthurt and compelled to be an internet tough guy to the point where you’re parakeeting a guy you don’t know of.

          It’s actually quite hilarious, to be honest.

        • Well then, I say the only thing the conservative deserve is a slapping for not rising up and sending every fucking liberal to the gullotine. It’s time for conservatives to stop being so obsessed with media bias and start doing something about it–They should have realized that the liberals are using the cons “doggedness” to their advantage and stepping all over them without fear of repercussion.

          Don’t hate–Retaliate.

          I do this all day, brute.

        • No, the only thing the liberals deserve is a slapping for not rising up and sending every fucking conservative to the gullotine. It’s time for liberals to stop being so obsessed with parasitic pacifism and start kicking some ass–They should have realized that the conservatives are using the libs’ “peacefulness” to their advantage and stepping all over them without fear of repercussion.

          Don’t hate–Retaliate.

  • The irony here is, if they actually MANAGE to push forward with their egregious agenda, the Japanese population would actually collapse FASTER, Christian or not. XD

    Srsly, though…. someone needs to put a boot up the ass of these people and remind them of their status in their country of origin: that of tolerated neighbors. The more intolerable they become, the less *friendly* their neighbors will become… until it all blows up in their (the Christian fundies’) faces.

  • Man, am I glad that I was raised without religion. These kinda religious nuts always bother me; just a bunch of wakos trying to push their morals on others.

    On a side note I found this kinda funny:
    ECPAT / End Child Prostitution in Asian Tourism

    A network of groups formed to stop the “sexual exploitation” of children, with much of its support and membership coming from churches. The Japanese arm lists the Japan Christian Women’s Organization as one of their supporters.

    I love how they want to stop the “Sexual Exploitation” of children when nine outa ten times it’s the kids who decide to be prostitutes in order to get a lil pocket money. Besides until Japan starts prosecuting the prostitutes as well as the ones who procure their services they will never be able to curb prostitution. Cause if there is no penalty for the prostitute then there is no reason not to do it. Just sayin.

    • Well, based on the name it sounds like the are/originally were more worried about 1st world pedos going to Thailand of Cambodia to visit the kiddy brothels than about Japanese teens selling their asses so they can buy a gucci purse, but yeah.

  • …sigh. The worst part about all this is that these extremists give us normal christains a bad name. I mean, I don’t advocate CP, but I still love the lolis.

    To anyone who thinks that all christains are like this and should die…*BEEP-BEEP-BI-DEEP* Strawman.

  • I myself will never back religion probably.
    But have to keep a open mind to learn even if I only pick and choose religious aspects but this is too much.
    Well alot is to much but thats besides the issue!

  • I believe in Polytheism. Few of the entities i believe are:
    Ayanami Rei
    Yomi Isayama
    Revy
    Senjougahara
    Mio
    Biri Biri(Mikoto)
    Kusanaki Motoko
    Kallen
    Holo
    Tsumura Tokiko
    Otonashi Saya
    Rin
    Rider
    Ein
    Yin
    and many more.
    This Christians should stop messing with my religion.

  • The best part is that if they ever do get this ban its probably going to be the same as it is elsewhere in the world (UK and Canada I know for sure) and the same laws that render 2D loli illegal will also, technically, make possession of the Bible illegal.

  • “YMCA Japan” – say wut?

    It’s interesting how those organizations that are allegedly working to “save Japan” have proposals that would actually cause Japan to get screwed up even further.

    I mean, really, against pre-marital sex? What are they trying to do, completely wipe out the japanese ethnics?

    Furthermore yeah, they should be thrown back to the dark ages. But that’s the thing about moralists… they would all end up burnt in stakes.

    What worries me the most really isn’t the fact that these people exists, fortunately a vast minority.

    What worries me is that people listen to them.
    Because they feed on the exact same content so called “terrorists” comes from. Yet some politicians are willing to use their arguments to kill the freedom of choice and speech so many people died for us to have.

    • Agreed.

      It’s also unfortunate that the majority is often put in a bad place due to the angst of the minority. They’re small in number but make the loudest noise. People end up getting the wrong idea and further widen the gap in understanding by falling for such misconceptions.

      Most people here are jumping the gun and grouping all Christians onto a single bandwagon despite Artefact making it clear the ones behind this are radical.

      • True.

        As an old saying says, “An empty barrel makes the loudest noise”

        And… they’re minority yet endangering the majority while even themselves have no proof that they’re right… these Christians are faggots.

        … Do they really SURE they will go to heaven by doing this? I hope their hypocrisy don’t bring them to hell instead…

  • Talk about quick on the trigger.

    Did anyone else read Artefact’s clear distinction that these are RADICAL evangelists.

    Don’t be so quick to hate and group everyone onto a bus o.o

    Just like otaku, you got the crazy ones, the modest ones and the ones who barely are into it.

  • As a Christian, I am constantly embarrassed by fundamentalism. I’m pretty sure Catholicism started out as “love one another”. I still can’t understand how it suddenly became, “anyone who doesn’t follow us will burn in hell”.

    Fundamentalists in any form suck period. Whether it be atheist, Christian, or even Islam. They’re just stupid, blind and intolerant. And its difficult to take them seriously too.

      • Atheism has changed over the years. To get Fundamental Atheism, all you have to do is fallow the fundamental teachings of Atheism and not this new-wave “DEATH TO RELIGION!” stuff.

        The more you know!

        • What term define these?

          How about if you do not have belief in any kind gods or anything else? Opposite of believing. For example if there is light the opposite must be dark.

          How about if you only belief in yourself either belief you are a god with the same powers as any other gods and can demonstrate malevolence?

        • http://www.fstdt.net/FAQ.aspx

          What’s a ‘Fundie’?

          Fundie

          1. A usually religious person or entity characterized by one or more of the following: an extreme lack of rationality, fondness of logical fallacies, repeated use of emotional appeals, rigid adherence to Bronze Age mythology, endorsement of pseudoscientific nonsense, opposition to the First Amendment, bigotry and discriminatory attitudes towards minority groups, belief that certain children’s media is the work of Satan, and propensity to post Bible verses instead of valid argument.

          It should be noted that one can be religious–even a fundamentalist–but not actually attain the vaunted status of “fundie,” which needs that special touch only people fitting stereotypical caricatures can provide. Additionally, religion is technically not even a pre-requisite for this, although blind adherence to its ideologies (and those of politics) is perhaps the #1 source of fundies in the universe. Rigid, arrogant, “know-it-all-and-confidently-force-it-on-everyone-else” authoritarian strains of both amplify the propensity to fundyism, while more moderate, “this-seems-like-a-good-idea-but-might-be-wrong, so-let’s-not-be-total-jackasses-about-it” varieties can keep it in check or even undermine it.

          So yeah, narrow-minded dogmatic atheists can qualify as fundies.

        • A – Without/No
          Theism – Gods

          Atheism is the BELIEF that God/s do not exist.

          Agnosticism is the BELIEF that the existence or non-existence of God/s is unknown.

          When it comes right down to it, EVERYTHING you profess to “know” boils down to some level of “belief”, including all information you might deem to be factual from your senses (case in point, the Matrix movies).

        • Atheism is a belief in there being no gods moron. Having no belief is not the same as disbelieving, as disbelieving is believing the oposite. You’re talking about agnosticism, or are just shit at english.

        • What the HELL are you talking about? Ther ARE NO TEACHINGS of atheism AT ALL let alone “fundamental teachings”. Why? Because atheism isn’t a belief or anything like a belief – it’s a LACK of belief in any gods thus there are no teachings.

          Astaroth~

          P.S. you don’t give the word atheism a cap unless it’s the beginning of a sentence

      • Well, current branches of Christianism are all offshoots of Catholicism, since early Catholicism did its best to wipe out competing Christian sects (the Gnostics, for example), so from an historical point of view the original Anon is correct, the poison entered through the common trunk and the branches inherited the madness.

        That said, it is good to see a Protestant admitting that Cath’licks are Christians: there are quite a few fundy nutjobs who deny it vehemently, when they don’t actually accuse Cath’licks of being covert Satanists ::facepalm::

  • Applauding Artefact for not generalizing and making it clear RADICAL evangelists are at the forefront of this crusade.

    Wish I could say the same for some of the Anonymous commentators… O.o And they think religious folk are all narrow-minded and illogical. Irony.

    • all religious folk are narrow minded and illogical. Truth. All Anons may also be narrow-minded and illogical, but this does not mean the first is not a truth. All humans are naturally narrow-minded and illogical, unless you are not human you too fit this bill, as do I. Also learn the meaning of Irony, ‘cos you’re doing wrong.

  • I don’t understand. Can we just take all these people and put them in a classroom that teaches common sense. I would fund that any day because that seems to be what the world is lacking now.

    • “The only thing needed for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing.”

      What is “evil” and what is “good” is relative, and thus you have shenanigans depending on your viewpoint, however skewed it may potentially be.

  • I got 3 words for ya, No S Sherlock! Good lord, Christians (the one whom want to politicize the faith) LOVE this ban stuff. It’s sad that there’s a lot of christians whom believe this stuff. That’s not to say there are sane ones in the asylum here. There’s a thing called the “Skeptic’s Annotated Bible” that would turn a lot of christians athiest REAL QUICK if they read.

    http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/ <—- check it out!

    Man, if this is going on even in Japan (where Christianity is not a big factor there as here), goodness gracious. Thank you Chris Columbus and Commander Perry! Ugh…

    —Kevin Grussing (twitter.com/NewBernsKevinG)

    • P.S.: I apologize if I seem anti-christian. It’s not that I HATE ALL Christian folks. It’s just the ones who lie, manipulate, rape children (they do do it, trust me), steal, kill, and politicize. They’ve literally destroyed this country. Thank the Gods that it’s a BIG-A minority there. If Christianity was a popular thing and if the early post-Perry administrations hadn’t done anything possible to shut Christianity out As Much As Possible, I’d bet you Japan’d be destroyed too!

      —Kevin Grussing (twitter.com/NewBernsKevinG)

  • now that christianity is involved this party is just only going to get more and more crazier >=D and alot more flaming ZOMG ONOZ ITS GOD! (sorry if anyone here actually is christian.. doubt it though!)

    • That’s wrong actually. Most of the Japanese population are spiritual (more than 80%). They practice differently in that they integrate and practice various aspects of more than one religion or system of beliefs, mainly Buddhism and Shinto. It’s known as syncretism,

      • That’s kind of true. When asked, most Japanese will say they don’t have a religion they follow. They follow some religious traditions without really thinking necessarily that they’re religious, more like going through the motions because of social custom.

        They ARE spiritual in a sense that they wonder and sometimes believe in ghosts and spirits, but to me it’s always seemed more like a spooky “maybe” than a “definite-yes.” Their focus and application of science and mathematics is excellent.

    • The Sokka Gakkai cult is not even close to Buddhism. They’re more Christian than anything else. They completely defected from the original teachings of Buddhism and created their own rules and laws. The Sokka Gakkai is actually a demented cult with an odd pro-American agenda, which is why they’re constantly trying to disrupt the Japanese culture.

      If you have read articles in Japan, the Sokka Gakkai’s cult leader is actually a rapist, and the cult has been linked to several murders against anyone who spoke against them. They even have elite members controlling law enforcement in Japan, so their crimes can easily be erased or tampered with.

      First thing you should ask, why would a real Buddhist sect even participate in laws or attempt to control other people’s lives?

        • In my opinion, they’re much more worse than Scientologists. They’re an actual murderous cult and they’re growing, especially since it has been revealed they have millions, probably billions in funding. They even have Hollywood celebrities supporting them, and they’re probably funneling funds from UNICEF, which is why I won’t ever donate a single cent to UNICEF ever again. Remember this for Halloween, each time you see a UNICEF logo asking for donations, it’s a cult member taking money from the mouths of hungry people.

    • that’s why didn’t choose to be in this extrimist groups…. they always say that my so called knowledge will help they’re cause, but i’d rather be called a hypocrite than to be one…

    • Same here. I mean, seriously… To solve a problem, it’s best to nip it in the bud. And the main cause is due to globalisation and cultures worldwide becoming more homogeneous. Western influences which is generally more open mixes with Japanese culture, just like how Japanese culure mixes in and influences other countries. Imo, it’s completely impossible and ridiculous to call for a ban that results from something that most of the world is undergoing – globalisation.

      Besides, I always like to bring up this point. Japan is such a small country (compared to the other places like America, Europe and so on). Those countries have so much more “morally wrong” materials online. Namely pornography, which – logically speaking – is a lot more “damaging” than fictional products. Girls are getting raped everyday in more places than one. REAL children are being sold and exploited. Instead of increasing their proficiency to waste time, these feminists, as well as Christian extremists should seriously consider doing something to help REAL children.

      I bet half the kids exploited in Africa or somewhere would rather kill themselves than wait for aid when they read Sankaku and find out that the world prioritises FICTIONAL GIRLS, instead of them who are REAL, 100% organic, with flesh and blood, and more importantly, emotions and rights.

      • Agreed, really…

        That’s why I said these Christians are hypocrites and want to look 4 trouble. They attack the “easy target” first, for FAME. Damn them.

        Thank God not all Christians are hypocrite and as fool as these ones…

    • As a former Christian turned atheist-Buddhist-Taoist myself, I completely understand how aggravating this would be for Christians with any amount of common sense and brotherhood with humanity.

    • There’s a reason why the US put a division between Church & State in their Constitution: To prevent moralfag fucktards like THESE from getting us into yet ANOTHER Dark Age or three….

      I’d go get shit-faced right now, but my liver couldn’t take it. >_<

    • Same here, I felt really disappointed…

      These faggots did NOT do it for God. They’re just so desperate for attention, fame, and to start they “for great justice”, they attack the weak targets first…

      So lame… I feel really sad now… Stupid things… Fools…

    • If you were an atheist, at least you’d be on the winning side for a change. Face facts, Christianity is a death cult–nothing new happens, nothing can be added to the Bible, you are just circling the drain and waiting to die. There is no future to look forward to under Christianity, just an inevitable march to death with nothing in-between of value to be added to anyone’s lives.

      Really, it’s best to walk away and look at it without the eyes of the dead.

        • If you are an athiest, you believe that reality is what an individual makes of it, and that it is not controlled by supernatural factors.

          Thus, if a person defines his reality by having a God, then God exists in his reality, until the moment of his death, when his mind is unable to function.
          Even if it is his personal reality, science says, “I think, therefore I exist.” So if your existence is defined by your thought, then logically to someone who believes in God He is as real as anything, because the world is an illusion generated by the mind.

          God existing for him is as true as God not existing for you. In the end, 80 years is too short for anyone to prove anything. Whether you believe in God or nothing, you still die, so what makes Athiests so superior?

          If you are happy while alive is what matters. Being a happy Christian beats a sulky Athiest anyday.

          And Christian =/= Disbelief in Science. Your statements make it seem that all Athiests have a PhD or something.

          Really, science is not a faith, it is logic.
          Christianity inversely, is faith, not logic.
          Logic doesn’t clash with faith, because logic is what can be seen and proven true or false, and faith is what cannot be seen, but is believed.

        • Except that atheism follows the idea that observable and provable evidence is far more likely to hold true than a 2000 years old book that has been rewritten time after time during the early history of Christianity.

          We have mathematics, physics, biology, chemistry, archeology, paleontology and a lot more. What makes your holy book more creditable?

          Even if science has it’s holes, scientists make claims based on prior knowledge. There is no single fact in science that isn’t based on something that was previously proven. There are some ridiculous theories (hello, dark matter), but so far, the scientific method gave us electricity, atomic energy, flight, polymers, medicine, computers etc…

          The bottom line, is that there is no difference between blind belief and delusion, unless you have the proof.

        • I just know bullshit when I see it. Atheism is the same old shit that extremist have been offer, but packaged for today’s idealistic and materialistic youth.

          Idiots like 11:12 up there preach their hate-filled spew, then get all uppity and holy when a theist says two words to them about their beliefs.

      • Did you drink something to make you that retarded or were your born that way? Eyes of the dead? Oh yes, because Atheism is all about hope and promise for things to come.

        Enjoy your life after death and 70 virgins. Opps! My bad, that is Islam. I meant, I hope your rotting body feeds many worms and your passing is slow. Life is nothing but an accident and there is nothing after it.

        • It’s not that Occam’s Razor is wrong – people just keep applying it incorrectly.

          Occam’s Razor doesn’t say that “the simpler of two theories is usually correct.” That’s a misconception a lot of atheists go by.

          What it says is more along the lines of “the simpler of two competing and observably correct theories is preferable.”

          There’s a huge difference there, the two theories have to be already known to be correct and usually they’re observably similar in description. What Occam’s Razor really tries to do is to reduce the number of assumptions in an explanation to it’s simplest form, NOT to say that the simplest explanation is the correct one (especially when the simplest explanation is observably NOT correct).

        • Occam’s Razor is a joke. The simplest explanations for things throughout history have almost always been wrong – “the sun revolves around the earth”, “the heart controls the body”, etc. Some things just inherently have COMPLEX explanations to them, including evolution, genetics, biology, quantum physics, etc.

          Why people ever bring up Occam’s Razor just baffle’s me.

        • @Kortaku, 12:52

          This is where Occam’s Razor comes in. Generally, the most straightforward explanation is the most likely. In this case, that when people appear to die and rot, that they actually /do/ die and rot. If you want to introduce hideously more complex/complicated explanations involving conspiracy-theory-esque secretive superintelligences and a whole invisible kingdom of an afterlife filled with human minds, the burden of proof/significant evidence for that is on _you_.

          If nothing else, observation of the effects of brain damage (to various parts of the human brain with the respective results) on the human mind is support enough for the perception that the human mind is damaged, ages and dies along with the brain[ it runs on].

        • Why 72 though? Bit much right? Maybe it’s just ‘cuz I’m a romanticist… Also do they have at least intelectual knowledge of sex? are they women? It be pretty nasty to get to heaven to find 72 inexperienced guys waiting for you… not only are they male but they don’t know crap about anything.

        • So is it proven that there is no afterlife? So just because there is a movement of modern science that is somewhat tending to be against religion, you will blindly follow it? Is that really different from religion? Is modern science infallible? Ah…foolish atheists who criticize religion and foolish religion theists who criticize atheism. Believe what you want, dont be an ass about it.

          Lol, if you really think theres nothing after this life, damn,thats a pretty bleak existence…..

          Study religion for a few good decades in its entirety and then choose your beliefs and/or atheism. Too many < 25 year olds who know nothing of what they dont believe in…ZzZ

        • So do you believe in Christianity just because heaven sounds better than nothingness? Seems awfully naive to accept a belief on the basis of its appeal, rather than its actual merit.

          I mean, just because you believe you’ll go to heaven doesn’t mean you’re not also going to be worm food. The atheist just isn’t in denial about it.

    • You don’t need to be embarrassed to be christian. She’s not speaking for all christian, whatever people can tell. I will never accept somebody, except for the Pope, to be speaking for all christian.

        • No, don’t go nuking them. Remember the last time we nuked something? We got Japan – driving economic and scientific force in the new world as well as a cultural influence that makes the Civilization games seem a little too realistic.

          If a tiny nation of small yellow people who were too poor to afford bullets and had to use fucking swords, then imagine what it would do to Christianity? I don’t look forward to the next crusade.

        • The pope and his minions are all hypocritical refuse of the Earth. I would not be surprised if it was found out they worship Satan when their day’s work of destroying people’s lives are done.

          Not a single one of those “religious leaders” practice anything they espouse. They tell everyone to live in frugality and pray for forgiveness on their knees from their palaces and mansions. The archbishop of Canterbury has two palaces, no less.

          Then you have the issue with condoms where contraceptives are forbidden to the point where people’s lives are put into danger from diseases like HIV. A stance the church refuses to change even when contraceptives are not addressed at all by the Bible. At this point it’s pure pride at the expense of the lives of men, women and children.

          To drive the point further home, anywhere from 25% to 50% of pregnacies never make it to live birth, ending in miscarriages. So whatever the church claims about the “evils” of contraception, god takes it one step further.

          Lastly, the pedophilia scandal… ex-prez Bush giving the pop immunity from molestation charges. I think that pretty much sums up the whole thing.

          Damn, so much more I could go on… Yeah, so you Catholics better listen to the pope or you may end up as a moral, civil human being. This pretty much also applies to any form of organized religion.

    • You should be embarrassed to be a Christian regardless. So when’s the last time you put rams blood on the tips of your ears, your right thumb, and right big toe to praise your god? Oh? You haven’t done that lately? Well, you’re not a Christian then. When’s the last time you killed some witches and stoned wizards? Never? Well, again I guess you’re not a Christian.