The head of UNICEF has condemned Japan for failing to pass tougher anti-loli laws, dismissing concerns about human rights out of hand: “If it causes harm to children, freedom of expression should be restricted.”
UNICEF’s Executive Director Ann Veneman, an American career bureaucrat, made the remarks in a press conference, saying that Japan’s failure to pass more draconian laws was “a violation of the rights of children” and that it “allowed access to people in other countries,” apparently ignoring the fact that distributing pornography involving minors online or otherwise is already quite illegal in Japan.
Japan already rigourously enforces bans on the making and distribution of pornography featuring participants under the age of 18, and the efforts of the LDP to secure an even more wide reaching ban on “simple possession” were widely castigated as being unnecessary and likely to be abused; in the end the bill was defeated.
It should be noted that the UNICEF in question is the “real” UNICEF, and part of the UN proper, whereas Agnes Chan’s UNICEF Japan is actually an independent Japanese organisation which merely uses the UNICEF name (with permission) to give itself an aura of legitimacy and encourage donations; UNICEF Japan has nothing to do with the UN.
Via Asahi.
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If freedom of expression should be restricted then UNICEF it self should be restricted for expressing it's freedom of expression
Surely "Restricting the Freedom of Expression" won't have any unentended consequences....
Nor will recognising fictional (non-exhistant) characters as having rights, do anything harmful to other media...
No siree!
that makes total sense.
Japan is one of the biggest donators for UNICEF. This money is not only wasted, it's used to damage them. If they have any brains left they should stop payment...
Here's MY FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION:
1.UNICEF Japan is a bunch of Idiots so FUCK YOU!
2.AGNESchan is butt ugly,so FUCK YOU TOO!
3.EqualityNow......FUCK YOU UNTIL KINGDOM COME!!!!
amen
Yes, I agree. This is all just getting REALLY stupid. Do they have ANY idea what the consequences will be if they begin banning all the regular stuff that they show. This is nothing more then a plan to contain and destroy individuality.
In The Distant Future...
There will be Millions of People, blowing their brains out....
Just cause people like this win.
People wouldn't be blowing their own brains out they would do what humans are well known to do reject and start a new revolution.
have you seen 'Demolation Man'? the future will be like that only without Tocobell and the seashells. and yes it would be illegal to cuse in public
But they will privately stockpile explosives crafted from everyday tools (you will be surprised just how many ordinary items can be turned into a bomb) until they have enough. Then they will disregard the law and start bombing the heck out of the government with their makeshift bombs.
When has a revolt ever follow legalities anyway?
Has there been a rule for revolts?
That's some twisted logic, but at least their intentions are made clear.
Interesting to learn that it has nothing to do with UNICEF Japan. I totally missed that info.
M.
are they trying to take away my loli ? T~T
that's what my art teacher said, he showed us a painting of cupid, rendered as a naked boy, pee pee and all. a nice painting made by a well known artist at the time.
then he said... never do this or you will be smacked down by lawyers, feminists, etc. to "protect" the children. and i just sat back and went WTF, nothing wrong with that painting..
just like when some rulers went around and chiseled the pee pees off the statues.. puritanical bastards! Leave Us Alone!
Yes UNICEF FTW Thats the way ....~ Muhaha
I´m for UniCEF and Xbox 360
UNICEF and UN are only politicians and diplomats that assemble meetings every other day just to talk about the same bullshit again and again. Would you please mind to apply pressure on countries with bigger problems, instead of criticizing and trying to ban 2d?
Everyone spread the word about boycotting UNICEF, fuck them. I almost want to steal those collection boxes they spread around on Halloween, fucking propaganda shouldn't be in our public educations system.
when did fucking a loli is a crime?
this doesnt apply to me, but alot of people might just think "if I cant get the animated version, I'll get the real version"...
isnt that....far more dangerous ? ._.
yep,
bastards!!!
"If it causes harm to children, freedom of expression should be restricted.”
Presumably, she's talking about drawings (whether stills or animated, whether created purely by hand or with a computer) and text.
That would include maintenance, use, and safety manuals for all military hardware, and things which could be used against people ('children' is a sub-set of 'people').
That would include maintenance, use, and safety manuals for non-military-intended explosives.
That would include MDDS (Material Data Safety Sheets) on all potentially toxic compounds.
The way she words it every thing with possible application of harming a kid should be banned. So Hamburger is harmful to children isn't it? KFC make kids fat, a kid can fall of a chair, kid get burn by oven, microwave gives off radiation...Cars might hit children, a children can accidentally cut themselves with scissors.
so why aren't we banning these too ????
back to the topic..how do they know what constitute as loli? just because I don't want the manga or anime I watched have women who look like they are 20 years above retirement age like in american...MUSCLE IS KING cartoon...
On the cover of Nevermind is a naked baby showing his pee pee and people were offended by it.
Kurt Cobain said, "If your offended by this, you must be a closet paedophile."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/personal-view/3559912/Baby-photos-that-fall-foul-of-the-PC-police.html
I don't see the point of banning loli. If we can't get it through the interwebz, we can just draw our own. Then share it with our lolicon friends.
Damn, people and their inability to accept Art nowadays...
That is their intention. The closet-lolicons in UNICEF has had a lack of lolis. Therefore they will force all us lolicons to draw loli awesomeness, and then get a hold of it through any way possible.
UNICEF is overreacting to loli.
While some loli-cons like CP and child molestation, There are many of us who find this kind of 3D behavior disgusting.
I'd be lying if i said loli didn't promote some sort of pedo mentality, but on the other side it helps sate the inner immoral desires of some.
Honestly, id rather people pulling their dicks or mashing their clams to something drawn rather than something in which an innocent was hurt/abused.
I agree with you on that fanstaies should be kepted as fantasies. meanwhile 'real children' in Africa are starving and dying. what about them.
Real children are starving in Africa, real women are being raped in Africa, and real people are dying in Africa. Instead people like Ann Veneman, Agnes Chan and Equality Now are only concerned on spending large number of funds on complaining about fictional characters.
Meanwhile I can guarantee you Ann Veneman, Agnes Chan and Equality Now heads are living excessively in expensive homes and feasting voraciously on expensive meals that they funnel from the actual funds that were supposed to go to the people who desperately needs it. There's no way they can reach to the top status without being corrupted like them nowadays.
What exactly are the statistics for child rape of 3d children around the world? I promise that it cant be nearly as high as 2d rape, since it is perfectly legal to rape 2d children 2d children are raped by the millions! There are very few imaginary children in anime tha have NOT been raped (thank you very much rule 34). If 3d children where raped as opften, it would be considered the biggest crisis in history! Something NEEDS to be done!
Fighting fictional drawings that cant fight back is better than going against REAL rape which can get Agnes and *feminazi idiots fucked by the mafia & others real promoters of loli and the like.
Bunch of hypocrites.
Ah yes, UNICEF, home to Feminists & Islamists.
Where Evidence is ignored and appeals to emotion rule supreme.
Why they just rip themselve appart and stop trying to make live miserable for everyone else.
They seem to be overly obsessed with non existent enities like drawn lolis and alah.
DURKA DURKA silly zionist. DURKA DURKA warriors of Allah will never allow women to become exposed meat. DURKA DURKA we dress women in funny curtains, and we might just do so with this dreaded infidel you call Agnes Chan.
Wait.
Don't lump us (Islamists) together with the Feminists!
We seek complete domination of men, so they are our natural enemies! We will help you, weeaboos, to destroy these heathens!
/sarcasm
So has anyone read The Brave New World or 1984? >_> and so it begins...
I can see the connection to 1984 with the restriction of individual guarantees and government censorship(Miniluv fuck yeah!!) and totalitarianism and whatnot but... "brave new world"? I fail to see the connection. Care to elaborate?
Lolz win coment
My settlements exactly.
Not to be an asshole or anything, but i think you mean sentiments :)
I think he meant sediments, actually.
"Likely to be abused" is RIGHT when it comes to enforcing simple possession. There have been several cases of people getting arrested in the U.S. after getting photos developed with their kids in bathtubs.
I'm surprised the "Actual" UNICEF is wasting so much time while children in Africa are dying of Diarrhea(Polluted Water)and children are getting forced into marriage in some Muslim Countries.
The new Prime minister should pass a Loli Bailout bill.
actully the law is being abused in the US and real children in third world countiries don't matter.
I find what they are doing is b.s. and should just let it go.
They'd do Africa a favor by using all those sleeping nukes around the world and end their misery. Fund other real organizations that the world can benefit from. Not backwards civilization that the only contribution they gave the world is AIDS and disease.
They never thought that usually 2D lolis look NOTHING LIKE their 3d counterparts. Hell, 2D lolis are more often miniature adults (Jigoku Sensei Nube anyone? Kodomo no Chi... i mean, Jikan, anyone?)!
I agree with your 2d vs 3d...
however as a fellow 2d loli-con, you are lying to yourself if you believe that 2d loli isn't predominantly about 2d 'minors'.
While i agree that 2d and 3d lolis look nothing alike and quite a few of us don't find minors IRL sexually attractive at all.
(As a fellow 2d loli-con) please don't try to delude yourself that a majority of 2d loli-con are about adults; because it's most definitely not.
You are in fact sexually peverse; meaning that what you sexually desire isn't quite the 'norm'(at least to a majority of the world).
The underlying fact is, that loli IS immoral and perverted but it ISN'T harmful to anyone; except for maybe for the guy excessively abusing his cock.
We are as much pedophiles, as people finding enjoyment of killing others in a video games, are killers.
People who have a problem separating fantasy from reality are the true problem.
Drop her in the middle of Iran and see what happens...
"Free speech comes with responsibility and limits when it comes to harming others, particularly children. If the police overextend their power, then it's up to the press to expose them."
Funny, freedom of speech and freedom of the press are fundamentally related. At once, UNICEF exec director Ann Veneman calls for the curtailment of free speech, but then dismisses the possibility of civil rights infringements on the basis of a free press. I sense a fatal contradiction here.
you may take our lives and your never get our 2d lolicons
Clearly, my crime is that i masturbate over perverted cartoons instead of sating my immoral desires in real life...
Our 'crime' is that we go against oppressive extremists who falsely accuse our interests of promoting child abuse. This is a fight worth standing up for, as we are not at fault.
oh jesus blahblah these people need to go back to feeding starving children and stop championing the rights of 2D characters that DO NOT ACTUALLY EXIST!
Instead of the "Freedom Tower" replacing the WTC, we should get public support to create a building that's horizontal that isn't used for offices or businesses...instead it's a horizontal train tunnel that rams a penis shaped train straight through the wall of the UN building that contains the security council to the room with the unicef and all of these fucker orgs gather in.
The train would transport members of the American Pirate party into the UN, where they can loot and pillage for 30 minutes before returning on the car to prepare the next assault...
"Pirate Party Penis Train penetrates UN from the rear."
^This. Is. an. AWESUM. Idea! +9000
Looks like its time for Japan to consider pulling out on their part of the UN funding.
I think the UN out lived it's usefulness when the Warsaw pack was dissolved.
Now it just wastes money it did not prevent the War in Bosnia nor prevented a certain US president from starting a very illegal war in Iraq.
Afghanistan was justified but there was no reason for the second Iraq war.
It seems all they do now is make taxes in the EU really high.
Ok, what the hell? Is this what these groups have degenerated to; attacking art? These are nothing more than comics or drawn pictures. The law states that a minor should not be depicted. A minor is a living human under the age of 18. These characters are FICTIONAL; meaning NOT REAL. Therefore, by logical standards, they have no age because they do not exist in live form. There are always going to be people who are attracted to this and you cannot stop it, it is an inevitability.
As long as humans have imagination and curiosity, art shall always exist even if illegal due to the absence of a fair system of law.
BTW, I just looked up her bio in Wikipedia! Veneman's a REPUBLICAN! She served under "Dubya"!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ann_Veneman
A "Moral Crusader", a former secretary under George W. Bush, a "Republican", and was ranked 46# most powerful woman under Forbes.
Wow, I'm surprised her moralfaegottry didn't rub off on him. XD
Plus, it's easy to go after her and defeat her: flood the biznatches with the truth; cram it down their throats if you have to.
How in the world are we or the Japanese to beat her(and UNICEF, Equality NOW)? :(
Easy, cry religious rights. Japan is not christian, thus western ideals hold less value. Western common laws are based of biblical ideals. Though the westerners reshaped their govn't at the end of wwii, their system is not a replublic or parlaiment. I seem to remember them kicking out gaijin for a few hundred years because they saw right through them trying to gain power. Too bad they don't have the balls to place embargoes on the US. It would be interesting to see them side more with china and less with US over #@$% like this.
I suppose if they feel this way they'll need to go after Anne Geddes next LOL:
http://images.google.com/images?q=anne%20geddes [http://images.google.com/images?q=anne geddes]
They'll probably need to change a few other Japanese laws to be able to ban what westerners view as under age material. Most people probably do not realize that the age of consent for sexual activity in Japan is 13 years old:
http://www.interpol.int/public/Children/SexualAbuse/NationalLaws/csaJapan.asp
I hate how western ideals are forced upon non-christian nations. There was good reason Japan closed it's borders and kicked gaijin out for a few hundred years. Why is the UNICEF spending their time on stuff like this rather than passing out condoms and rice in Africa? Wait, they're politicians who get money from lobbyists. These are probably the same people that tried to ban the Japanese magazine Goth Loli in the USA thinking it is underage material before realizing awhile later it's nothing but a fashion magazine...
HAHA Anne Geddes!
I personally don't like reading doujinshi etc where the characters appear too childish, but that is my personal taste and think everyone is entitled to their own.
Does UNICEF have any data to prove that more molestation etc occurs because of this? I doubt it, just politics influenced by lobbyists as you said. What a waste of taxes! If the material sells, let it; the world economy needs to get back on track.
hmm well if it really gets banned its a good thing i know how to draw and i havent drawn in a while maybe this will inspire me to.
if anything else, these articles that are posted are stimulating me and making me want to fap to my loli collection of manga.
UNICEF is using the same logic that anti-video game pundits use, like Jack Thompson. The basic conceit of their fallacious statement is that "Its bad and will make other people bad".
Grand Theft Auto didnt kill millions of people, drawn porn wont turn normal people into pedophiles. Its a simple fact, and one that prevents grandstanding by clueless bureaucrats and washed-out media whores.
For a moment there, I thought that header said:
UNICEF Should Be Restricted.
The electromagnetic waves produced by televisions which display anything created through the use of Freedom of Expression cause children to DIE! We must immediately ban free thought so that we can bring about our own destruction!
Can somone put down this bullhonkey crap and we all live in peace?
or that askin too much?
Has Mrs Veneman ever read "Mein Kampf"?
The first UNICEF Trick or Treater thaty comes to my door will get what Charlie Brown always get when he's trick or treating-- rocks!
It should be noted that the UNICEF in question is the “real” UNICEF, and part of the UN proper, whereas Agnes Chan’s UNICEF Japan is actually an independent Japanese organisation which merely uses the UNICEF name (with permission) to give itself an aura of legitimacy and encourage donations; UNICEF Japan has nothing to do with the UN.
Would have been nice to know the first time a post about UNICEF and Agnes Chan was posted...
That explains a lot. The UNICEF I knew was dedicated to fight against child labor, starvation and just plain slavery. I was not a bunch of feminazi activist obsessed with censoring manga.
I now regret trick or treating for unicef now ~_~
You and me both. -_- Although in my case it's been about 20-25 years since I last did that.
We should tell the UN to tear their building down in New York.
Ask people living in New York city if they like the UN meetings...the people that love it are people that love ****ing gridlock.
We foot the bill for that unholy abomination of ineffectual nuttery.
They didn't have the ****ing balls to enforce their own 10 minute limit to the Qaddaffi speech...he took 1 hr 47 minutes for a 10 minute speech.
If they can't even enforce their own rules in their own building against a guy who's only worldwide acclaim is having oil, then what use is that organization in solving real disputes like Darfur, Kashmir, Israelistine, Egypts dictator, American Contractors, or anything of world value.
It's like the world's largest monument to futility, it replaced the worlds largest scale replica of a flaccid penis.
Can we sanction that batshit crazy country that makes roannupur look like a tropical paradise, North Korea? Yea, but we don't have permission to board ships that enter north korean territory and enforce those sanctions!
Iran's nukes? Well before we sanction them we have to check the economic data to see the effect of all proposed potential sanctions for negative repercussions to the children of the country then select the proper sanction to keep................10 minutes later....after 3 months it goes to the Security council and is then killed by china and russia.
Can they fix Darfur? Sudan? Iran? North Korea? It's easier to bitch to japan for an easy victory so they can flex their muscles and get a 1 cm chubby.
The UN makes you realize that the penis can be seen also as nothing more than an inverted vagina.
I haven't lived in NYC in years, but I can recall when I first learned the meaning of the terms 'Dead Wood' and 'Useless'. In Webster's Dictionary under those words, you'll probably see the UN featured as one of many prime examples.
The reason why the terrorists didn't target the UN buildings on the East River but instead went after the World Trade Center towers? The WTC was a bastion of strength, morale-wise. The UN was just another piece of East River wasted development space... hell, destroying it would IMPOVE the area. XD
No they can't that's why their doing this
Mrs. Veneman should marry one of Kim Jong-Il's sons!
THE GOOD COMMENTS KEEP ON COMING
As long there's no pornography involving children (which is strictly illegal even if it's a doujinshi) i'm personally not aware of any law demanding you not to keep nude images with drawn characters that my signify an age below 18.
google Mike Diana.
Wait what...? In what way are the children being harmed by freedom of expression now again?
I agree, mainly every culture let old geezers marry young girls...But I wouldn't call THAT lolicon, because :
1. lolicon is always combined with obsession for cuteness...The higher the cawaii factor, the more are lolicon into a person or character...
I never saw any woman/character being center of lolicon attention and not being cute/moé at the same time...We only have to look at the seiyuu casts, were on photoshoots they desperatly try to gain some moé level by cute posing or catears...etc...
2. In contrary, Western culturess never idealized cuteness to the extent Japan did and does...Men rather choose ideal women for their feminim features and NOT for their cuteness...
Also I've seen hundred times women like Beyoncé or Rihanna being tagged as 'cute' by Western ppl...Western cultures tend to make difference between 'child-like cuteness' and 'adult cuteness' and men usually feel attraction for the second...
By lolicon however we can't talk about different kind of cuteness...Kawaii is kawaii should it be a child or an adult( which is to be the result of the childish appearence of Japanese beauties I mentioned in my former post )...And a high procent of Japanese men - mostly between the age of the demography 'seinen' - are almost obsessively captured by this cuteness...And that is the true lolita complex of Japan...
Western lolicon have a rather 'japanized' taste in my point of view...Though I know quiet a few guys who are still into non-cute women but tend to prefer Asian/Japanese 3D and 2D loli...
I can't really understand why child welfare organizations are so high on banning lolicon material...Even if I put myself in their position, it is a pointless action...
If truly the worst is to come, lolicon will still not vanish...It will rather go from 'slightly mainstream' to underground...the difference is that underground material is less to be controlled ---> child pornograpy could even increase...
Also those pedophiles who could manage to restrict their sick desires to 2D lolicon material - well, even 3D by photobooks and DVDs - will now have no 'legal' availability ---> I wonder how much that will increase the number of abuse and harassment victims...
( Oh, I just realized my last words were already written by Anon XD Well, good I'm not alone with my thoughts :P )
It's the problem with the moral people.
There's a difference between saying "I believe you shouldn't eat meat because we can get all of the nutrients we need without killing animals." And "It is now illegal to eat meat, if you eat it you go to prison, stop eating meat, only bad people eat meat."
Or "Porn is a vice, so as moral people against vice we should ban all porn and not expect negative repercussions."
"Video games are evil because violence didn't exist before video games.
I can respect concerned people saying "You might not want to ____ for health reasons." And "THOU SHAAALLLT NOOOTTTT!
I think it's people that never experienced different kinds of pleasure telling people that since they never "needed" that pleasure or release, then noone else should have it because everyone should be as "morally upright" as them.
Of course moral faggotry ends when the pastor against gays gets caught doing meth off of a male hookers chest.
Some people believe that if they don't push their agenda on people who don't believe in what they believe then THEIR soul is destined for hell. So they'll go through contortions to force you to behave in a way acceptable to them.
United Nations is pure, undiluted evil.
End of story.
"freedom of expression should be restricted".
I totally agree with this.
And we should start shutting up UNICEF and that feminazi group (Idiocy now or something like that, don't remember exactly)
"And that day will come, when the feminists come out of their central top secret worldwide feminist headquarters, and say 'It's on now motherfuckers!'"
there trying to make japan most hatted by this bullshit like usa is. usa sucks balls when it comes to shit like this i fully soport japs all togeather. fuck usa exsply since they voted in a fucking retarted
then again (edited.)
Damn those red UNICEF bastards. Damn communists
Any representative of a so-called "charitable organisation" who says someting like that...
he or she has become an ENEMY OF FREEDOM itself.
Like the Communists, the Nazis, the Taliban and Al-Qaeda!
what a bunch of nazi's i mean this is how communism starts
Fuck UNICEF go help some real people in the world then waste money on this stupid ban.
There are many people suffering in this world.
They need great help right now and by doing this you are wasting money on valuable time and more people will die in this world.
You know, that she uses the name with permission, that's still endorsement by the UN in my eyes. They're still guilty.
"UNICEF’s Executive Director Ann Veneman, an American career bureaucrat"
As an American [USA FTW!!] I regard "Career Bureaucrats" as lower then pedophiles; lower even than USA politicians. Bureaucrats aren't elected, so there's no voting the vermin out.
To be completely fucking honest, id much rather fap to a perfect loli without any hitches in body or face, and who has the abbility to do whatever like grow boobs or whatnot.
Then an ugly 4 year old that snots all over you and has no clue what sex is, then only to tell about it later on.
Yep, loli is best, fucking politician retards thinking about useless shit.
Soon we cannot even ejaculate.
Grr!
Does anyone see any difference between fake uniself and the real uniself ?
Fake one was funnier
Yah right and all those women can have they're yaoi and shota's on the air and magazine. Pretty much BULL to me.
With the world-wide child-slave market, the child-soldier situations throughout Africa, South America, & the Middle East, & the mormon men in Utah marrying 2 or more little girls in addition to their already having one or more adult wives, where does UNICEF get the time & money to worry about anime, manga, and video games?