Sega has accidentally leaked a confidential document which suggests the PS3 could be gaining full PS2 emulator capabilities after all, along with the ability to play Dreamcast titles.
The document can be viewed below:
(it apparently somehow found its way onto a Sega public FTP)
SCEA Meeting Aug 5th Notes
Aug 6 2009 ? DRAFT FOR COMMENTSSony PS3
・SCEA reiterated plans to sell 13 million PS3s this year
・Big announcement back half of year they can’t talk about (potentially price cut of PS3 to reach hardware goals)
Motion Controller
・Spring 2010 launch (March in JP)
Yakuza
・Could put Japanese games directly on PSN for download in a special Japanese Import section (pricing $9.99 to $39.99 for full game).
Valkyria 1937
・Could bundle with PSP as well.
Sonic Anniversary
・Could put out collectors edition with all old sonic games on one BD disc.
PS2 emulator for PS3 (confidential)
・SCEA wants to sell all PS2 titles on PSN (GTA Vice City/Sonic/etc)
・For co Marketing money show PS3 controller on TV ads ? similar to EA Madden Spots, NCAA, etc…
DC Digital Titles
・If we provide a list of DC titles SCEA will let us know which ones they’re interested in having exclusively.
PSP Titles
・For SKU differentiation it’s best to offer features that are slightly different from PS3 version.
・Titles that are coming up on PSP are Assassin’s Creed II, GTA China Wars, Resident Evil, Little Big Planet ? all massive franchises.
Sony is of course on the record as emphatically stating that there is no chance of PS2 emulation on the PS3, ever; though considering their denials of the PS3 Slim it does appear that they are not worth taking seriously as a source on their own products…
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I can see them [Sony] pulling a Funimation (E.g. One Piece leak.) and saying "Hey, you guys fucked up, and now we're never going to add BC for PS2 or support for Dreamcast games."
"PS2 emulator for PS3 (confidential)"
Should have added "don't include it in the file that's post on the public FTP server".
Lol. Those who are into Sonic and SEGA-related news know very well that these guys shouldn't be trusted with supposedly confidential info, what with the generalized leaks and everything.
Not that Sony themselves were able to keep the PSP Go! and the Chinese knock-off PS3 model under wraps, lol.
IT'S OVER, RRoD 360 IS FINISHED.
Yeah, keep telling yourself that after I play a remake of perfect dark on XBLA and you play an emulation of a ps2 game for 30 bucks.
Dreamcast emulation on my PS3 ? Instant Cum !
Japanese import store is victory for us and
japanese devs
If they recreate Jet Grind Radio in 720p+, I'll be all over this.
Looks like a lot of maybes in there. The PS3 doesn't have an equivalent of the memory in the PS2's GS chip, so it's unlikely that it'll ever be able to emulate it in software.
Nice to see that it'll still all about trying to get exclusivity deals where Sony is concerned though. As opposed to just making money by releasing games that people want, on hardware they have.
This was SO written from the beginning...
You could sense already 6 months ago that theyr were going to sell PS2 games on the PSN store...
Holy fuck, playing Sword of the Berserk on the PS3?
FUCK YEAH
This is bull, why would SEGA have a SCEA document anyway & talking about other companies games, but if this is true FUCK YEAH (you guys are gonna waste a lot of money buying shit that everybody has on previous/original consoles, but same thing happens on XBOX though, fuck these guys r retarded)
They don't have Sony's document. It's a note composed of upon meeting with Sony.
I see no evidence of a Dreamcast emulator. It only states they want to sell digital copies i.e. ports.
Good to see I'm not the only one to see the resurrection on the Dreamcast in the Xbox 360. And the original Xbox was the equivalent of the Saturn.
Now excuse me while I go play Jet Set Radio Future and Panzer Dragoon Orta on my 360.
... PT, I think I love you.
And that's right, we've already seen Saturn (a fifth generation console) emulation on both the PlayStation 2 and the original Xbox (both sixth generation consoles) in the form of the original Panzer Dragoon, plus some SEGA AGES 2500 Series titles (Dynamite Deka, Virtual On), so it's only logical to see Dreamcast emulation/ ports on seventh generation systems (infact, you can check out two NAOMI-based titles right now, Marvel vs. Capcom 2 and the badass, absurdly fast and Xbox 360 exclusive Virtual On: Oratorio Tangram).
So there.
Lol, people ask for Backwards compatability back and Sony just gives you a turd.
Really, the only awesome thing here is Dreamcast games on PSN. But I'd much prefer playing the PS2 games I ALREADY OWN, on a PS3 instead of having to rebuy them on a downloadable service. And crappy thing with the PSN, if you delete it you have to rebuy it. Not with Live. Who's greedier there?
Fuck that shit, backwards compatability for all versions of PS3 NOA!
Even better idea, Anon: play your PS2 games on a PS2, wait for the PS3 to go all the way down to $100. At this pace it won't be more than two years from now, you won't regret it one bit.
Fail idea.
That's a good idea. How may PS3 owners have PS2 available. I think almost all because they are the fanbase that Sony already have since PS1/PS2. Buying the same games for the PS3 means that you've paid twice to get that game that you might already have. Now, that is a fail plan by Sony for gamers who have these games. Who got shitted on for buying the same game twice?
Butthurt fanboy can't take a hint. PS3 is going to take over from now on. Let M$ make shitty Wii ripoffs for all I care, I'll be playing real games.
PS3 is going to take over from now? Is that because they are actually yapping this year because they actually have a fanbase? Cmon, your still 8 million sales behind, if you dont catch up by 2011, that only means M$ wins.
And 360 has more highly rated exclusives than PS3. Not only that but 360 has more games in generaL, in almost every genre, FPS, TPS, Adventure, RTS, RPG, JRPG, your mom, simulation. Only Wii have more family/party games, but that console is for fags.
PS3 ripped off Wii too with your fucking logic since motion controls were on Wii first then suddenly came on PS3 with sixaxis. Now trhey getting a motion controller just like Wii. At least M$ has Natal, an innovative idea into the gaming market. Avatars are a ripoff of Mii's but PS3 has copied more off Wii than 360 faggot.
Go fuck yurself and enjoy watching your "4D" porn on PS3.
Actually, you only have to re-buy any videos you download. PSN keeps track of any game purchases you made. I didn't have to pay for 1943 or SF2 Turbo when I sold my 40GB and got a Slim. Nor did I have to pay for the World at War DLC I had.
best news ever dreamcast had so many excellent games. now to go find a copy of shenmue and makken X
"Sony is of course on the record as emphatically stating that there is no chance of PS2 emulation on the PS3, ever; though considering their denials of the PS3 Slim it does appear that they are not worth taking seriously as a source on their own products…"
If Sony didn't keep to the "we don't comment on rumors or speculation" line like most smart companies do, they really should.
Hope for SF3: Third strike to finally arrive on PS3? ;_;
Hmm...import PS2 titles on PS3...can I make one request? Ahem...
Ohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohplease make Darkstalkers Collection one of the lucky titles!!
I'm already sold... Fuck yeah!
I think there's something interesting here that most people seem to be missing..
No where was true backwards compatibility mentioned in that memo.
I could honestly see this turning into a case of having to buy all of your old PS2/Dreamcast games all over again from the PSN, rather than just being able to insert the original disc into the drive and play.
I would laugh.
You know... If people have all these ps2/DC games, then I would assume they have a dreamcast or PS2. So what's the fucking point in playing it on the PS3, especially if you have to buy it as download content anyways.
It was the same with FF7. Sony didn't do shit to make it worth purchasing again, and instead of a full on port it's an emulation of all the consoles.
My PC can do anything PSN can do for free.
I still think XBLA is better, considering they port the games with enhancements. i.e Banjo Kazooie, Banjo Tooie, Perfect Dark, etc. Not to mention a better community of indie developers, simply because of XNA. Compared to XBLA, there's no chance of PSN would ever be as successful.
Smart move, if can't compete with 360 with the exclusives they have and their "better" online functions (sujective, haven't tried it), then think backwards to the strength Sony had - PS2 ! With so many people who still have tons of PS2 game disc, PS3 will be a more multi-function console: Blu-Ray, PS1+2+3 ! Woo, that's PS6 shall we call it ? Even if the PS2 games are just PSN DLCs, still good news to me coz I have missed out a lot good games like ICO and Persona4.
Ya dun goofed!
LOL PS3 FTW
IT'S ABOUT TIME! If they make it so that ALL PS2 and Dreamcast games are compatible with the PS3, I will buy one IMMEDIATELY.
That was the main reason why I passed up the PS3, besides that it was too expensive.
Maybe now I won't have to sell my Dreamcast games and my PS2 games that aren't full compatible on my PS3. And maybe I won't need to get a new PS2 after all.
Nobody said the discs would work. You have to buy it on PSN again. Original DC games will never work on ps3 controllers.
As for PS2, you're better off keeping a PS2. Or go buy one for 30 dollars. No point paying full price for games that are emulated.
I want to play SHENMUE!
But of course I'm not buying a dreamcast
If this is true, I'm buying a PS3.
ALL PS2 games???
OMG!!
OMG, Dreamcast games...what the hell was on that system that was good that the Ps2 didn't have?
Lot's of good arcade perfect games. Sure after the Dreamcast "died" a lot of games found their way to the PS2 but a bunch of classics Dreamcast games never got a proper port, like Jet Grind Radio, Shenmu or multiple doujin STGs (shmups) that came out after the 'death' of the dreamcast. The dreamcast is still regarded by many as one of the best consoles of all time for it's wide range of games and low ratio of shovelware crap.
Alright, the ps3 isn't that bad,it contains blue ray, stronger disc's, access to psn, internet, the ability to play dvd/cd and has hd quality, although it would have been better if it had full ps2 compatibility, it and the games were cheaper, and what ever other problem you have with it, but if you ignore those few things the ps3 is a great system, they've already decreased the price a bit, and most psn games will be cheaper than the actual disc (mostly)
The current rumour according to industry magazine MCV is that Sony will put the whole PS2 back-catalogue on PSN for payed download rather than allowing the use of existing hard-copies. It'd explain the removal of the previous backwards compatibility (which was already software based in some regions), claimed at the time to be a cost-saving measure.
But it's all rumour at the moment.
Sony + Sega is a winning combination.
I'm really glad about PS2 PSN games in the future since I totally skipped that generation (Yeah, I wasn't part of the 150 million buyers of the PS2, so what?)
But I am a proud owner of one of the 10 million Dreamcasts, goes to show that I care about good systems and good games.
The Xbox is the spiritual successor of the Dreamcast, since Microsoft paid money to Sega to learn its tech and ease its transition out of hardware manufacturing. That is why the Xbox and Xbox 360 feel very similar to a Dreamcast. (Although of course, the DC was way more reliable than the 360)
Man, now I'm itching to play Record of Lodoss War and Berserk again ^_^.
"The Xbox is the spiritual successor of the Dreamcast"
My breakfast is now splattered on my keyboard you twit.
Yet its true look at the DC and the Xbox controller. Then look at how many Sega games came out that are classics on DC that came out for the Xbox.
No it's true. Dreamcast was pushing the internet idea and the Xbox took it one step further. There is alot of stuff that the Xbox adopted from the Dreamcast and improved it. I mean even the idea of the memory card going into the controller was taken from the Dreamcast.
Yeah, except the Dreamcast did it better because nobody is ever allowed to like Microsoft. EVER.
(Agrees with you in truth.)
But the Dreamcast wasn't infested with shooters and EA-published crapware. Instead of "spiritual successor," how about "corporate usurper?"
I'd say this is a missinterpretation.
The PS3 used to have backwardscompability already and Sony took it out completely over time. Why would they add it back in? Simply because they'll offer PS2 and appearently Dreamcast games as Downloads via PSN you have to pay for.
Simple as that.
So the fact that it states "・SCEA wants to sell all PS2 titles on PSN (GTA Vice City/Sonic/etc)" means we have to buy games that we already own? :S
Zone of the enders 2nd runner will obviously be a first download for me but i already have it? :S So how will this work?
Dreamcast Emulation seems pretty fail since it's library pales in comparison to the PS1
May you slowly burn in hell and while there you should educate yourself.
Sure it can't compete to PS but that doesn't mean it has any good games
it didn't have any good games(should have slept first)
you, my dear Anon, seems like never played any dreamcast game, especially Shenmue...
*spits in the face of this anon*
Tbh the only game I would actually want regarding DC Emulation would be PSO
ps3 is slowly coming back up there, glad to hear it =)
Have fun buying your PS2 collection again, since it will overwhelmingly likely be specific titles that have been quickly ported to the PS3 and sold on PSN.
This.
Seriously. Sony fucked themselves up this gen. But then again, it's to be expected since they ARE charging us for those uslesss moving wallpspers known as "Dynamic Themes".
yay far worse than paying for an inferior p2p online service without dedicated servers and charging for valuable stuff like clothes for a damn Mii imitation...
Yay! DC emulation if its true. xD
YAY For a psp!
The only worth while games on the Dream Cast are badass Capcom Games and some JAP games which are not translated.
Note There is is BERSERK game on the Dream Cast.
Actually the good thing about having relatively small libraries in the DC and PS3 case is that it's easy to keep abreast of all the games. I managed for example, to buy every single translated Japanese game and not break a bank. Couldn't do that with the PS2.
PSP can already play a few dreamcast games, lol i remember the PSP being the rage of the handheld console with not so many great games back then.
Everyone pushed the psp to the limit
Wow, I hope that "Valkyria 1937" note refers to the Valkyria Chronicles sequel. I'm pretty much sold on getting the PSP sometime in the future to be able to play it, but for Sony to put it out in a game+PSP bundle makes things a lot easier. :D
That'd be fucking awesome.
They would sell better if PS3 could emulate ps2 games, i would love to play my ps2 games on ps3, since i don't want to take out my ps2 from the closet everytime i want to play them, and can have both conected T_T and the posibility of downloading ps2 titles from PSN would be AWESOME
The only downside would be having to buy the games you already own to be able to play them on the PS3.
What does Yakuza Stand for?
Might refer to the game franchise of the same name, but I'm actually not sure in this case.
Yakuza is refering to SEGA's series Ryu Ga Gotoku(wich should actually translate to "Like a Dragon". this would be talk of the 3rd one(I guess 4th if you count spin off). this 3rd game is the second best selling game on ps3 next to MGS4 in japan. Just recenlty there was a comfirmation on translation of Ryu ga Gotoku 3.
Amazing game series and by far my fav game on PS3 bar none. Think River city Ransom but nowadays with a deep set of stories.
Actually considering the price they are probably talking about the first Yakuza game (which was made for PS1/PS2 and it makes sense they port it to PSN). Yakuza 3 is on a Blu-Ray disc so it's not possible physically to upload it to PSN (who would donwload a 50 gig PS3 game?). Yakuza 3 will be released next year in the US, in normal BD form.
Does it actually take up a dull dual layer blu-ray.
Aksys is releasing both battle fantasia and Agarest on psn. Agarest I beleive was 15 gigs.
Who knows, they might actually do a full BD download since it is a "Japanese Import" section on the PSN.
Since they can cut the localization costs of printing and distributing BD, it might actually be that cheap. And it would be great for people who play and import Japanese games in the first place.
It's not like the game weight the maximum capacity of a blu-ray and if it does, damn they should learn compression..
and this is some great news
since I maybe going to buy new PS3 lol
nice... Shenmue...
You sir just won my sencere approval of your tastes.
Shenmue.... oh my dear Shenmue..
I shat tha brix for Shenmue.
LOL! PS3 for the lulz.. They want to take all the market
so remind me again
does this make sony a filthy company for making exclusive deals, or does that still only apply to microsoft?
1,000,000 COMBO BREAKER!!!!!
SOLD!!!!!!!!!!! LMFAO
*has tons of DC games*
Muahahahahahahahahah
Show some rage, console fags!!
Hey if they actually put that backwards compatibility WITH dreamcast emulation as well, I'm getting a PS3. I mean crap. It'll go nicely with my wii and 360.
Wow, them making all/most ps2 games into psn dlc titles would really help the sells in the psn , most likely another way to sell the psp go, if they were able to make it good quality, and able to run in the psp go without any major freezing then it might just take over the psp/ps2 industry... Since they decided to ship a few Japanese ps2 games to be psn exclusive, if the chose kh:fm and kh2:fm It's VERY LIKELY it will sell good in the north american markets, although if they did, I'd wish they would import evangelion too (since the english dubbed movie just came out)... In retrospect this all is very exciting, and mostly uncertain, I just hope no one ask playstation about this since if they found out, sega may lose it's connection with them and they might get angry and not even do it...
lol I was signed in too
I, for one, welcome over tsundere PS3 overlords.
Tsundere overlords?!
I just because a PS3 fan
STEP ON ME LOUISE-SAMA!!!!
bahahaha, i loled, tsundere warlords :D
tsundere PS3 overlords?
Yes please.
i would much prefer Yandere overlords, i mean they just don't give up and will keep coming back till they win
Brooklyn Rage!
PS2 games on PSN, I can't wait! This could really be a driving factor in the PS3's popularity increase.
BTW, without Microsoft's bribe money, You know who the developers want.
Unless you're a fucking idiot. Nobody would pay for PS2 games as downloadable. There's a difference between emulation and port.
If you played PS2 games on PS3 with the disc, it will lag and glitch on some games. Because its an emulation. Metal Gear Solid 3 did this often on large maps or near fire.
Microsoft at least ports games from consoles such as n64 and UPGRADES them. Sony hasn't done shit, especially with FF7. It still looks like shit after all these years, what a scam.
Guess what, you can emulate these games for free on a PC. You'd be a fucking moron for buying them full price.
Microsoft dos NOT port any game. the game developers program the game for specific operating systems and distribute them out.
yeah, and you'd be a fuckin moron for thinkin that they'd actually upgrade ancient games.....I mean c'mon, who does that?! Micro$hit? I don't give a fuck, as long as I can play quality games on a console that doesn't break, then that's fine.
Guess what, you can also emulate the games on a PSP.....so ha! More portable and much easier to do.
And yeah, not everyone can emulate games, so yeah, Sony's being nice to those gamers who don't know stuff like emulating. Stop complaining and go play with your dildo, fanboy
YAKUZAAAAA!!... and at 39.99$? It will be a sucess!
Yeah, more excited about PSN will have a Japanese Import section.
39,99$?! What a rip off...
lol wat?
Wasn't the ps fault that the dreamcast failed?
Anyway im surprised if this is true from sega.
...and then 2010 Sega releases a new console that's as powerful as the PS3 and emulates all old Sega machines... ^_^
A diskette-compatible PS3?! [http://www.computercloset.org/SegaGenesis1CD.jpg] Do want!.. for teh lulz. (´∀`)
That would be great indeed, though hopefully if that does happen it should be more powerfull then the PS3 at that time.