Microsoft Funds PS3 Game Development

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Responding to the complaints of Xbox 360 Tales of Vesperia beta testers, a developer has laid bare the not so shocking truth of just how Namco was paid off by Microsoft to secure an “exclusive” release, but instead merely used the Xbox subsidy to reduce development costs on the PS3 version, which it expected to sell better.

However, Sony intervened and blackmailed them into adding massive amounts of new content if they wanted to be allowed to go ahead with the PS3 release at all…

He goes into considerable detail on his blog:

“First off, it was easier developing for the Xbox 360. This is to do with the games I was involved with, but basically if you sign an exclusive contract with Microsoft (you won’t release it on other hardware for a year or similar), they will give you a lot of cash for development.

Their support is also very fast and complete in these cases.

SCE don’t really give much cash out (any at all perhaps). Their support is confused and unreliable. When I was doing it at least, the 360 was easier to develop for, which lowers costs.

As a result, first you develop for the Xbox, reducing development costs. But the Xbox version won’t sell [in Japan], you can’t recoup even those lowered costs at all.

So they ported to the PS3, it’s cheaper as you already have the game done, but then Sony came back and told them ‘We won’t recognise it if it’s the same as the Xbox 360 version. Make sure you put in a lot of extra stuff!’

If we didn’t then they wouldn’t have let us pass their check…”

He claims that the developers all wished to produce the best possible game with this opportunity, and had no intention of deliberately putting out an incomplete game; they were instead keen to produce a version that “even Xbox 360 players could enjoy again.”

He also claims traces of later additions found in the Xbox code merely fell victim to pressures of scheduling…

He goes on to pour cold water on the notion of a DLC Xbox 360 version, saying that it could take another year to convert all the development resources back onto the Xbox, making it impossible in practical terms.

This news seems to suggest that Microsoft has been cunningly funding the development of PS3 games by allowing developers to develop cheaply on its platform, accompanied by a huge grant paid for each “exclusive” release, with the developers then cheaply porting onto the PS3, with additional features as required…


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    Comment by Anonymous
    08:43 16/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Thats why 360 sucks shame FAIL

    Comment by Anonymous
    08:41 16/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    LOL!

    I love this line "‘We won’t recognise it if it’s the same as the Xbox 360 version. Make sure you put in a lot of extra stuff!’" the ff makes it good:P
    makes it sound like you're greddy

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    Comment by Fonzer
    08:53 16/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    well yes 1 year of waiting time and they got their development money from m$ so they could add content to the ps3 if they didn't want to accept it,m$ didn't plan this.And fuck m$ doesn't want lolis in their games.

    Comment by Anonymous
    08:45 16/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Who are whether MS is generous they suck at bribing game anyway.360 IS FAIL fuk halo never get enough of masked man? and now odst? fail

    Comment by Anonymous
    08:38 16/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    thankfully both consoles support mp3's, so you can just pump up motorhead, get drunk & get on with your lifes! cheers...

    Comment by Anonymous
    08:37 16/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    thankfully both consoles support mp3's, so you can just pump up motorhead, get drunk & get on with your life! cheers...

    Comment by Anonymous
    08:02 16/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    I'm not that worried, though it feels very crazy it just happened like that

    Comment by Anonymous
    08:34 16/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    m$ is so generous...

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    Comment by Fonzer
    08:35 16/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    OP pic?
    MOE flash damage?

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:30 16/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Now even star ocean 4 is coming to ps3, they so call exclusive games will soon be over

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:33 16/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    So that's two exclusives down, Over 9000 to go.

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    Comment by Fonzer
    09:27 16/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    i think he did mention it in a previous article.

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:30 16/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    This also helps explain why these games end up looking/running worse on the PS3. Devs too lazy to make good use (if any) of the Cell, since it would require major rewrites of the game's code. They end up relying mainly/exclusively on the PPE and RSX, which aren't as powerful as the 360's CPU and GPU. So the games end up being just quick ports with some extras thrown in. And it isn't just 360 -> PS3 either; Virtua Fighter 5, Unreal Tournament 3, Cross Edge, etc.

    One side gets the play the game a year early, and the other gets a year-late port with lots extras and performance issues (in most cases) at full price, while the original can be found for $30 or less by the time the port comes out.

    We're all losers here, folks.

    I say we boycott all 3rd party games that don't get a simultaneous multiplatform release.

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    Comment by g0dslay3r
    09:21 16/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    this is what should have happened to ff13.i dont some half assed game because of the 360

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    Comment by Spider20
    09:01 16/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    loli <3
    Patty <333

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:07 16/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    No, not really. Artefact's hiding quite a bit of facts in this post...

    "He does not however mention the traces of later additions found in the Xbox code…"

    ...either that, or he's blind.

    *quote*
    360であったPS3版追加要素の痕跡は、単純に入れたかったけど間に合わなかったのが正解だろう。
    わざわざカットする理由が無い。
    優先度の低いモノからカットされるのだから、追加要素になったモノはカットされたモノの復活と考えるのが自然ではないだろうか。
    */quote*

    Rough translation:
    The traces of PS3 additional content found in 360, was most likely just simply that they wanted to put it in, but just didn't managed to make it in time.
    There is just no reason for cutting it out on purpose.
    To cut things(content) of low priority first, and to revive the cut content as additional content elements is just natural, isn't it?

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    Comment by Artefact
    11:51 16/09/2009 # ! Incandescent

    Fixed. A simple oversight on my part.

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    Comment by Myballz
    09:12 16/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Xbox 360 can make Add-on downloadable content for games if you can afford the points to buy the new content. Fallout 3 for example you can add new expansion which allows you to play more content which other Game Developers would proudly add more gamming content for the fans to play.

    And Yet Namco Game Developers making that excuse.

    Comment by Anonymous
    07:56 16/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Holy shit, I'm really getting tired of these fucking PS3 vs. 360 articles.

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    Comment by GodOfSpeed
    06:21 16/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Of course Sony would say that...they want more people to buy the PS3 version as well, it's helping Namco Bandai as well. ;)

    Comment by Anonymous
    06:24 16/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    ofc sony has to be complete douchebags and fucking bitch

    Comment by Anonymous
    06:25 16/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    I don't really see why people are getting so bent outa shape about this, it's been going on for years. If a game is only exclusive for a short time it makes sense that the second version would be improved/different as the company producing it would have more time to continue developing the software.

    One game that comes to mind is the first Onimusha which was a PS2 game that eventually got ported over to the Xbox as Genma Onimusha, the changes were so extensive it was basically a different game.

    So in closing, this isn't the first time that this has happened nor will it be the last. After all Business is Business and developers will do whatever they need to do to turn a profit. Be it improve a port, give exclusive DLC, or drive dump trucks full of cash up to each others doors to insure an edge.

    Comment by Anonymous
    06:09 16/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    It's over for Microsoft. No games left, just E74 errors and the Red Ring of Death. Now that the PS3 slim has been officially released and with an unstoppable lineup to boot, Sony will overcome and destroy the competition, just like they did the previous 2 generations.

    PlayStation 3. It only does everything.

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:31 16/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    So it plays my PS1/PS2 games?

    I thought so.

    It only does everything my ass.

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    Comment by InfiniteNine
    10:52 16/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Mine plays my PS1/PS2 games. ;)

    Also: All PS3s can play PS1 games.

    Comment by Anonymous
    06:28 16/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Well, if microsoft wants to pay for timed exclusives than that is what they get. It's ridiculous to think that a developer can't improve on their game to give it more value for money. To me its more irresponsible to deliver a game that you know has some problems when you can go ahead and fix them and make a better game for the customers. Heck people that own Tales of vesperia in an x box that also have a Ps3 might think of getting it also in the ps3. This breaths in new life to the game.

    Comment by Anonymous
    06:36 16/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    This is FUCKING epic lololololololol

    Comment by Anonymous
    07:01 16/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    God damn fanboyism is terrible. On a more related note, I believe this port will cause me to buy a PS3 too along with my sleek Xbox 360. And then later, a Wii.

    Comment by Anonymous
    06:58 16/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Yeah, and so was Enron, Haliburton, et cetera. In the end, a bribe is still a bribe, I mean at least Sony has standards...

    Comment by Anonymous
    07:03 16/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    "He goes on to pour cold water on the notion of a DLC Xbox 360 version, saying that it could take another year to convert all the development resources back onto the Xbox, making it impossible in practical terms."

    I'm going to laugh if we see DLC 360 version after the PS3 release (though I doubt it), as the above excuse is pure BS.

    Comment by Anonymous
    06:40 16/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    RRoD 360 FAGS STATUS: BUTTHURT & TOLD

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:42 17/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Tales of V. is Shit anyway the Ps3 can have it when they want HALO 3 FTW Fck Ps3

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    Comment by ScarredBushido
    02:55 17/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    halo 3 is sooo overrated

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    Comment by Fonzer
    19:37 17/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    kinda shitty shooter game sometimes.

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    Comment by ScarredBushido
    02:58 17/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    the only reason im pissed off is cause of the extra content there getting and with hearing star ocean 4 being released on ps3 im happy cuz my mate can play it but i hope with Star ocean they give xbox 360 at least the chance to download the language pack

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    Comment by ScarredBushido
    03:03 17/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    the only thing im pissed off about is the fact that there getting extra content other then that im happy now my friend can play it thats the same with star ocean 4 i just want the langague pack so hopefully DLC

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    Comment by Kamigod
    05:30 17/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    dreams eh, nothing wrong with havin them

    Comment by Anonymous
    22:24 16/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Everyone who wanted it on the 360 already bought it. If you liked the game you liked it. Who cares if another version with some added bonuses came out over year later. Nobody will ever see me run to get Ninja Gaiden Sigma or Eternal Sonata. I have both systems too. I treat things like this like metal gear solid 3 subsistence. If you have never played it get the new version. If you have played it before stick with the original.

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    Comment by onitake
    22:05 16/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    truth be spoken!
    ... at least about why development for 360 is cheaper or "easier" than for the ps3.
    considering how expensive it has become to develop high-profile games, it's hardly surprising how the business works. developers/publishers take any incentive they can get, and the console manufacturers butter serious money in titles that are expected to sell, so they can collect big licensing $$$ later on.
    microsoft has at least recognized the potential of indie studios (you have to start somewhere, right?), while sony and nintendo still sit on their precious hardware like hawks.
    the gp32 has shown well that a purely open platform isn't the best way to go, as it's difficult to get publishers port their high-profile titles without much incentive. console and game sales go hand in hand. good marketing alone can't save you the day...

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:22 16/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Shut the heck up man.

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:19 16/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    ok thats officially the stupidest most miss interpreting heading for a article i have ever seen.
    now i know why bull was the first thought into my head when i saw it.
    ive lost all respect for asian developers.
    they have completely sold themselves down the river, they use to be about quality now all there worried about is $$$$$$$$$$.
    capcom, square enix, namco bandi have all recently turned to crap.
    congrats guys you have sold your soul to the devil, i hope it was worth it.
    what happened to the good ol days where developers were worried about quality?
    they just wanted to go down in the books of history.
    now all their worried about is $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
    who cares if our game sucks donkey balls as long as it brings in the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
    ala halo or guitar hero.

    Comment by Anonymous
    18:39 16/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Other websites posting this story have posted updates, saying the blogger featured in this article never worked on ToV, he worked on Vampire Rain. Apparently, it had a similar situation, being ported from 360 to ps3 after a year, but I doubt the guy is in any position to talk about the ToV code or if DLC is possible. Not to mention his crappy vampire game has a metacritic ranking of 38, and it makes me wonder how much his experience as a shovelware maker would differ from a developer that actually made good games.

    But if this is merely another troll 360 owners post, then carry on Artefact, carry on.

    Comment by Anonymous
    20:15 16/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Something I noticed in the bonus Mysterious Unison dungeon in Eternal Sonata, on the final floor before the dungeon boss it had two empty rooms in the Xbox 360 version while in the PS3 version they were filled with weapons for the PS3 exclusive playable Crescendo and Serenade characters. So that there is proof that they were planning on releasing on a console besides the Xbox360 from the start.

    Comment by Anonymous
    21:54 20/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Just wanted to thank every XBox360 owners for beta testing, you guys make sure the game will be great, or lets say better when it's released for the PS3. We need guinea pigs to ensure quality, and I dont mind if they use Microsoft fanboys as labour rats.

    Comment by Anonymous
    12:16 20/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    NAMCO BANDAI removed charactors from 360 version for selling PS3 version.

    Tales of Vesperia had benn released by NAMCO BANDAI one year ago on xbox 360,and was released on Playstaion3.
    We have benn claiming that they removed several elements,and then,we find one of the evidence.
    Look at this image:

    http://www.dotup.org/uploda/www.dotup.org160606.jpg

    If it were added charactors,there isn't bank holes.So it is clear to be removed.
    They were planning to cause who bought 360 ver to buy PS3 version.
    Maybe They regard gamars as useful machine paying money.

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    Comment by jr2nd
    07:57 10/03/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    ps3 didnt get vesp. so up yours sony!

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:13 16/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Yeah Last I remember they Do Sony IP's only

    I am open to correction.

    Comment by Anonymous
    16:41 16/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Well, that sucks...

    Comment by Anonymous
    13:08 16/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Um, that guy's not actually a Namco dev, guys. He's a dev from another company talking about his own experiences.

    Comment by Anonymous
    13:00 16/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    snape kills dumbledore! seriously before the game is release, there will be spoilers. and rpg strongest point is story.

    Comment by Anonymous
    11:04 16/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Japanese hypocresy at it maximum level...







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