Kadokawa Admits Impending Endless Eight Sales Disaster
- Categories: Anime, News
- Date: Sep 9, 2009 05:25 JST
- Tags: Haruhi, Kadokawa, Kyoto Animation, Marketing, Production Controversy
When confronted about its mockery of the remaining Haruhi fanbase with the four disc Endless Eight DVD release, even Kadokawa itself can only say “it would be nice if they sell.”
Their animation department responds to enquiries thus:
“Even in the company hardly anyone knows why it took eight repeated episodes spread across 4 DVDs with two episodes each in order to unravel the mystery thoroughly. We are aware of the fan reaction, but…”
When asked directly about whether they think these tactics will result in sales at the level of the first season, even Kadokawa is less than enthusiastic:
“Well… All that can be said is that it would be nice if they sell, wouldn’t it?”
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this too, is a troll. they're trying to make otaku feel sorry for them, pitifully saying "It would be nice if they'd sell". the question is, who's dumb enough to fall for it?
positive or negative, publicity is publicity. how many of you "watched" all 8 episodes. i'm not talking about from second 1 to second n, i'm talking about skipping, fast forwarding(que?), or whatever you do with anime episodes. people talk about it, peole talk to people who talk about it(includes all means of communication). how many people you know actually quit watching haruhi s2 after endlesslesslesslessless88888888 and never come back? it "is" a ballsy move, haruhi now is also known as the anime with exactly(or not really) same episodes in addition to what other reputation it has. in the future if any other anime series tries to do the same thing(showing same story/episode multiple times) people will say haruhi/kyoto animation has done it.
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tldr version: it is working
ugh... Haruhi was just not made for a S2. first season was nice and all, but this is just bleh. ~.~
Eat your words. S2 has not yet end.
Correction, S2 has not started yet.
Well, I pity you for US governments ripping you off with tax money spend on Farm and Drug subsidies that you'll never use. As well as a whole slew of pork barrel money wasted
What I'm afraid of is, that they are not making many new episodes in se2. Season 1 hat just 13 episodes. We are now at ep 13, I hope they will at least make 20 episodes to compensate damn endless 8, to have at least 13 new episodes.
The Gold Mine Has Collapsed !
You need more gold !
I think as a symbolic gesture. 8 copies of Endless 8 to celebrate the Endless h8.
when will this gold mine explode ???
According to my Mediafire download statistics, the Endless Eight episodes are much more popular than Sighs.
Take that as you will.
There are quite a lot of reasons for that;
1. People were just curious to watch them.
2. Just download/collecting episodes..
3. Die hard fans.
4. Haruhists.
5. Sighs have just started 2-3 weeks ago while EE..
6. Sure they're not counting the whole 8 eps of EE as one?
7. People already lost faith on the show after EE.
8. 8x3 alternate Swimsuits.
By the comments from Kadokawa, it sounds as if the whole "Endless Eight" thing was due to internal politics, and that at least _some_ people in the companies were clueful, yet powerless (or chose not to put their careers on the line over the issue).
I will not download that piece of shit.
Haruist are like furrys, a mental disorder.
NO SHIT, SHERLOCK
It would be nice if spineless otaku DIDN't buy them, but their fandom allows them to waste their money on stupid shit. They'll probably still buy all this crap letting the assholes know that yes, they can pull bullshit like endless eight and the fucking tard Otaku will eat it up anyway.
I'm sure if the otakus don't buy them, KyoAni and Co. will be more serious and will put more efforts doing Haruhi future series. Belive me.
No wonder about sales
probably someone buy 132,456 copy
Kadokawa jancok..
and kadokawa will troll again when the DVD sells like cookies
Here, I sell turds.
It would be nice if they sell, wouldn't it?
$5 then I'll consider.
I don't know what most people have against this season.
Sure EE is a ripoff but if you scrap 5 of the 8 epsiodes it's still a pretty good arc.
If they add the the dissap. arc at the end it would even have a bombastic climax, though i don't think that will happen.
I wonder if search and fast-forwarding is disabled, like when we watched it on TV. (oh and the DVD player would have to have a value in its RAM from the first disk ending in order to start disk 2)
I wonder if Wendee and Bandai are gonna get the second season. Cause Oversea sales do matter.
“Well… All that can be said is that it would be nice if they sell, wouldn’t it?”
what? O.o
Haha, it's great that he trolled the haruhi fan's. What's even funnier is that the mother fuckers still watched it, and the idiots will still buy them..
Hahahha..
Oops people accidentally 11,000 copies of the first two DVDs
Endless Eight is just so awsomely stupid.
People who buy this stuff really gave up their brain.
seriously..I enjoyed watching endless 8 because this is the first time I experienced watching almost the same episodes for several weeks..But I doubt I will buy the DVDs..Hey maybe just maybe we can Expect the season 2 may be much more better..XD
Why not just buy the 4th one, then if you're really desperate to see it, watch one episode 7 times, then watch the conluding one? If you're gonna torture yourself by watching it again, at least do it the cheap way.. but I dunno why you would, once was enough for me -_-"
Step 1 - Create content which fans worship
Step 2 - Test how much crap you can sell
Step 3 - repeat and sell as much crap as the previous test showed accepable.
(Enjoy K-On concert from all 5+some audience perspectives in 8+ episodes soon)
"Well… All that can be said is, that it would be nice, if the ones responsible for this issue were to get sacked, and folks were put in charge, who actually gave a damn about the franchise and its fans, wouldn’t it?"
:P
Hey KyoAni, you want to sell that shit? (Yeah right! ¬.¬ ROFL) you made your move with the Endless Eight arc, completely ruin this season and now you want to sell it? I say "it would be nice if they sell, wouldn’t it?”
Like I said before, now they are playing the nice guy and basically telling us "we don't know how this happened lol PLEASE BUY HARUHI DVDs PLEEASE WE ARE NOT GUILTY IN THIS LOL".
So, yeah.
so the fans can wait endless 8 years for the next season...
(nah, probably forever)
i think you only need one dvd of this, the one with the ending, wait probably the first one too, but the other 2 dvds are just a stupid buy
I think kyoani won't be at much lost as people think, since the production value of all this 5-6 eps are cut by half and usually the DVD sales determine whether the anime will have another season or not so. But for once I wish the buyer will troll on the seller by not buy at all
take that anime fans! FKD again!!!
We wouldn't have anime if the Japanese had common sense.
It's funny in an odd way, but I watched each Endless Eight episode, and I wasn't all that bothered by the repetition. I am fully aware and agree with everyone else that this arc didn't need to be even half as long as it was, but I just can't view it as the complete fiasco so many others see it as. In my mind, Endless Eight wasn't much different from watching Groundhog Day, or any movie multiple times, or playing a JRPG and level grinding, or playing an endless video game where you aim for a high score because there is no end except running out of extra men. At least the animation was different throughout, and you can't tell me that watching Asahina get a ball kicked in her face at more than 6 different angles isn't entertaining.
Now the DVD release IS a fiasco. An anime DVD should NEVER have fewer than 4 episodes. There should be no less than 2 hours of data on a disc. The only anime I have ever bought and do not regret buying with only 2 episodes per disc was FLCL, and it was pushing its luck with that tactic, despite how godly FLCL is and was.
+1
if all people think like you then Kadokawa will never success with this plan. No mater Endless Eight got 4-8 episodes peoples will still complain or support it.
I self think the sales will be not lesser then the previous volume because if they already starting buy it most of them will still going for completing of it.
The Japanese market of Anime sell will not change the system of 2-4 episodes each volume the niche market is not big enough for the hug profits.
I myself don't really care that they made it 8 episodes.
What really bothered me was that this "new season" is only 13 episodes or so long, and EE cut into that whole amount of the season which could have been new content.
Heck. If this new season was 25-30 episodes long, I'd say bring on Endless Eight. At least it's not like.. only 5 new episodes.
No wonder the Japanese economy is fucked, if this is how they run their businesses.
Lol, then who was the one who decided this in the first place? :o
Kadokawa?
I'll be really surprised if each dvd breaks 500 copies.
I don't think anyone would be willing to buy 4 dvds worth of the same episode.
There are at least 500 diehard Haruhi fans who buy two each, 500 diehard fans who buy one each and 500 idiots who buy one each, so it'll reach about 1,5k per episode, with about 2,5k for the first and last.
Behold the power of a dying Giant.
Actually I think it'll break 500 and even a thousand, but 1,500 is a bit much, maybe even 1000. I sure as heck know I'm not anything, and most people who'd buy the first and last won't just to punish them.
So 1250 for the first and last and 500 for the rest?
The DVD sales problem could have been solved easily by not labeling the disks or the cover inserts so you would buy a pair of episodes at random. That way the whole thing would have been turned into a trading card game. The other, less manly, way of solving it would be to put all 8 episodes on a single DVD, and every time you play it, the DVD player randomly selects one of the episodes.
Yes, I think you've got the Kadokawa marketing doctrine down pat. ^^
Fuck you anon,stop giving Kyo-ani more stupid ideas to troll people.
It'll be nice if money fell from the sky as well.
Brilliant!
"All that can be said is that it would be nice if endless-eight goes AWAY, wouldn’t it?”
The discs shall rot in the shelves! Rot, I tell you, like the shit they are! Hahahaaah...
Seeing how it is just the same episode eight times over they should have put all eight in one disc especialy see how they are aware that they will do terrible in the sales.
On second thought fuck it go on Nico Douga or Youtube and just watch the video that put all eight episodes in one if you have to watch it again.
DVDs cost about $60-$80 in Japan, right? Over $250 for basicly one fukkin episode. The Japanese really get shafted in the value department.
Throw all eight episodes on one DVD would cut production cost and might actually sell some.
well if endless eight was in the first season i wonder how many peoples are still fan of it.
we didn't they put all the endless eight episodes on one disc ?? the totale value is only $ 10.00 ??
well if endless eight was in the first season i wonder how many peoples are still fan of it.
we didn't they put all the endless eight episodes on one disc ?? the total value is only $ 10.00 ??
serves them right
It's really quite simple.
If you consider Tanigawa the word of god, you will have a well-written show.
If you decide to get cute, and improvise, said show will suffer.
NT did endless eight in 70-some pages. He ran the sequence of events ONCE.
I like the kimono scenes as much as the next guy, but c'mon.
Thanks for the correction Anon. Is grammar appreciated in comments on sankaku?
i'll buy the english dub releases. WHATEVER GETS ME MORE HARUHI
no one will want to dub endless eight. NO ONE.
Why not? Easiest job ever.
Except for whoever has to edit the sound. He'll end up confused as fuck.
Wendy Lee in E8?
Do want.
That's Amy Jo Johnson. What you kids know bout them Power Rangers?
Pink Ranger FTW.
I will dub endless eight!
Who wouldn't want to buy and archive the greatest troll in anime history?
Tis true! I want to own the greatest troll in anime history ^_^. It is awesome, the episodes weren't fun for me, but I have to respect the balls it took to do it.
Wants ^_^
And I want to show it to my kids, so that they can watch through it as I say, "Watch it, It builds character" lol :-P
Personally, I think the anime industry needs a major downsizing - a culling or purge, if you will. With a more selective, discerning audience and budget/sponsorship levels that are more of an ultimatum for you to "not fuck up" and produce some quality instead of delving into the latest moe blob trend, Kadokawa wouldn't be able to pull off shit like this.
The DVDs will probably sell. Anime fanatics are godless, philistine spendthrifts who are also obsessive/compulsive completists, and our numbers are legion.
but what the above anon is referring to is that doesn't get rid of "delving into the latest moe blob trend".
in the sense of tastes may change, but replace "moe blob" with any other subject and the trend behavior will still exist.
and the problem with your idea is culling the herd usually results in the opposite. It doesn't spur range and innovation, instead it tends to spur digging of heels and product focus on what is commercially viable. thus further, even more focused, delving into the latest [insert] trend
Actually, that would make things go even more towards trends. Trend-exploiting equals sales a lot more often than not doing it does. Trends are trends for a reason. You might ask for people to be more "discerning" but at the core of things the lowest common denominator likes things that are very base. Same reason that everything else that goes towards the interests of the common folk works better and sells better than that aimed toward a boutique crowd.
I don't know. They churn out anime these days like Nintendo shovelware. I'm really talking about just annihilating half of every animation studio which in may effect a change in an audience's tastes. We've seen instances where changing what is provided to a group can affect its preferences (see westernization and the history of television broadcasting). You know, supply-side theory. It may not work well in economics, but it has its applications.
Hardly. A larger pool means that competitors will focus on the latest trends in a sort of moe race to gain more profits than the next guy. An environment without too much promise for wealth, but respected as a form of expression may get better quality. Let's say anime was viewed with as much mysticism and respect as oil painting. You won't get nearly as many anime out as we have now, but I'm pretty sure you'd get better percentage of thoughtfully crafted shows. Animators are making slave wages right now, so it won't be any big deal for them if they want to continue in the business. The fat cats in places like Kadokawa are what's stifling creativity in the industry. Get the cutthroat moneymaking potential out of the market and you may see more Shinkai Makotos in a small-scale environment than a few Sunrises.
We're both discussing in theories, so we can't be certain which is better. But the scenario you're describing is the one going on right now, with K-On! making record sales and TV anime riding the censorship line. The term "tsundere" didn't exist when the industry was smaller. Twintails weren't a staple that plagued half of every female character. Vanguard Princess would not have existed just ten years ago. I firmly believe in a golden age of anime, and it happened prior to this millennium.
Only for that would reason alone would I EVER buy an endless 8 dvd.
You Sir are made of win.
Experimentation in the anime medium is good, but experiments will not always be successful, especially if they're ridiculously stupid.
Let Endless Eight be the flag that warns the industry never to do this again, since apparently common sense is less common than I would like to have believed.
It would be NICE if Haruhi & Mikuru were 'Real' and sucked my dick...but...Geez, that guy has no clue about "The Impossible".
wtf r u saying? Mikuru is sucking my dick right now.
That skank!
In the future, Mikuru has sucked everyone's dick. Even Mikuru's dick that one time- it's a long story.
She is also a galactic overlord... coincidentally, of course.
YUKI'Z A FIRIN HER LAZOR!
Yuki's vagina has lasers that'll melt your dick
Yes more Kyonko for me
Yuki is pure. Muahaha. But you'd never fuck an alien, wouldn't you?
Thank God Yuki is pure!
Yuki pure? Little do you know Anon...little do you know...
lmao, freakin' kadokawa trolls, hope it won't sell a bit. ^_^
kadokawa????
fap fap fap fap fap......
I'll buy 40 sets of each.
I would too
DIE 40x on each DVD !
I c wat you did thar.
LOL wut??
*sings "Crawling", from Linkin Park*
TROOOOOLLING IIIIIN MY SKIIIIIN~!! XD
I'll buy 88..each.
lolz you are a noob xD
who would buy 88 is a GTFO
but 30 are ok after all
It would be epic if they are waiting endlessly for one to sell.
wouldn't it be more epic if they are sold out instead?