Xbox Users Petition over Vesperia Beta: “It Isn’t Fair!”
- Categories: Games, News
- Date: Sep 7, 2009 03:42 JST
- Tags: Marketing, Namco Bandai, Otaku, Ports, PS3, Tales of Vesperia, Tales Series, Xbox 360
Xbox 360 users, stung by being the paying beta testers for Tales of Vesperia, a game touted as an Xbox exclusive and the sole reason many own their consoles, are launching a petition for redress from Bandai-Namco Games, who they accuse of “underhanded” and “unfair” tactics for daring to release the game on the PS3 in massively upgraded form.
Their petition lays out the following demands:
The games should not be dispersed across multiple platforms, they should be consolidated onto one platform [i.e. Xbox 360].
The games should be complete and properly made.
From now on, the porting of titles like Tales of Symphonia and Tales of Vesperia should be abolished.
An official apology should be made to Xbox 360 users for the abnormal number of additions made to Vesperia only a year after its Xbox 360 release.
The traces of the later additions found in the Xbox 360 edition should be explained.
Further bizarre product linkages should not be undertaken.
Elements of the Tales series [i.e. Patty Fleur] which cannot be enjoyed by all users should not be added.
Characters and the Tales universe should not be toyed with any more than necessary.
Certain platforms should not be favoured over others.
We wish to see user complaints acted upon.
We wish to see more consideration given to the effects of official actions on the fanbase.
The petition, launched on Japanese petition site Shomei.tv, has a closing date of January by which to amass 1,000 signatures, but looks set to easily meet this deadline, having already accumulated 560 signatures.
Distressed Xbox 360 users can join the bellyaching rabble here.
The game itself is nearing release; Tales fans have no choice but to buy it.
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who the hell cares, it's not like the game is coming over to US
a lot of Tales games don't get a US port, I played most of the Tales games in Japanese, it's annoying as hell.
look at it this way theres the sony-checked censorship while 360 doesnt which makes 360 the best console when it comes to fan service games namely agarest senki and dream c club while for PS3 is more on well lets say "eye-friendly" game which tales of symphonia was quite famous with costumes as titles gameplay... heck i wont be surprised if this(ToV) will get bashed when the release copies have already been brought <_<
Distracted by hentai, didn't bother with petition
Look at all these fanboi hard cunts spouting internet arguments at each other.
You guys are all so cool.
Yeah! i'm surprised that all comments are that remarkably long enough to begin with. This is war of the fanboys! Epic nerds haha!
is the first pic a scene from a blowjob?
Go fuck yourself and stay in your shit-hole with the DVD and 360's capabilities. Switch to the PS3 and quit complaining about this shit. You honestly think they'd want to waste more money on the 360 version? It's cake and bake then release it. PS3 gets the real treat. Thanks for the test drive, ladies.
... Fanboy nerds..
what a bunch a fucking cry babies, how many good exclusive from sony you guys got? and still crying over one game? i dont even know what this game is about but for the love of god you xbots get dc like GT4 etc, this game looks like it might be good for a couple of weeks then dry up and yall got the balls to do a petition? wow keep this game
Well, it's their fault to be so stingy. Who asked them to get a cheap RROD console in the first place?
You know, I own a 360 and Vesperia, and I absolutely love it. Not every 360 fan like myself is getting butt hurt about like these guys are, but I will say this: if it was already in the game before hand, then why not make it DLC? Think about: not only will you get the revenue from PS3 sales, but also the people who bought it on the 360 (and seeing as how the 360 sold out in Japan because of this game that is quite a bit of profit). Besides, if anything, I more anxious about Tales of Graces; God I hope that comes out in the US.
there's barely any good PS3 games out there how come most of the Xbox fan people are getting pissed about this.
Ps3 is more expensive and most of there games are in multiple consoles with xbox 360
when Xbox gets a good game all the fans start acting lame "oh yeah it came out just for this system its awesome"
Yeah, cos online petitions like, totally work.
I agree that they whine too much and that Xbox360 users and PS3 users are always fighting but I think they got a good reason here, Namco must release a patch for Xbox360 version or just rerelease it together with the PS3 version.
It isn't fair, Xbox360 users were supposed to buy not only a high quality product but a complete one, and then some months after they release a highly upgraded port for another console... I dare to call it fraud.
k-zumi
1000 signatures VS 10000 preorders... who will they listen to? Go figure.
omg its over 9000!!!! while the signatures is only over 900....
"The games should not be dispersed across multiple platforms, they should be consolidated onto one platform"
What a selfish bastards.
I do not think that this game is so good (this game is copy of Tales of the Abyss with the worst story) that due to raise so much noise around the PS3 release. But this is good chance for PS3 owners to get acquainted with the game and spend 60$
Raven (AKA Shwann) stabs you in the back in the middle of the game, then saves you, dies, then later realized that he survives.
Why is it that the cool character in your party ends up being the enemy? Leon, Kratos and Raven. Though Raven is the first to actually be brought back soon.
if you haven't played any Tales games.
Try Tales of Symphonia if you can. That game is good.
Use the character Lloyd..Farking insane moves all the time!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brSs6naoChg
I haven't played this game, but combat looks slower than Symphonia. As long as they add Lloyd as downloadable character or unlockable character, I'll buy the game!
Seriously?
I played the game and finished it on the 360; im not one to get butthurt over a few extra's
have fun ps3 owners, i have other stuff to do now
So Xbox 360 owners never want to be given up, never want to be let down, or run around and deserted. Never gonna left to cry, and said goodbye to, never told a lie and hurted.
I played the game on the 360 and enjoyed it; throwing it into my "finished" rpg bin
end of story, minor stuff like this won't get me to play it again (unless it was an entire story rewrite)
Wow... that petition pretty much gets summed up this way:
"BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWW~!!! We don't want other console fanboys to have bragging rights! Only Xbox fanboys can have them!!! If we can't have our exclusives, NO ONE CAN!!! BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWW~!!!"
Seriously, what a bunch of crybabies, those petitioners...
The 360 community should BAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWW some moar. Delicious fanboy tears nourish me.
Why are they making such a big fuss about it? Do they think bandai-namco is really going to do what they say?
Thing is the contradict themselves in the list of demands.
"The games should not be dispersed across multiple platforms, they should be consolidated onto one platform [i.e. Xbox 360]"
And then go on to say:
"Certain platforms should not be favoured over others"
Now to me the first "demand" is favouring one system over others, thus making their second demand null and void.
Also demanding an official apology is just plain arrogant.
Wow. Fans went from excited to depressed to forcing? Quit wasting your breath.
Funny thing is, the ToV on the Xbox 360 isn't a beta. It's just incomplete. There's a huge difference.
I laugh at the complaining of sony fanbots in here.... hahaha
OMFG stop crying about a game, damn xboys
il be buying it.... for PS3!!!!!!
it's on the better console now.forget about the cheap 360 version and move on.hahahaha
lmao
Err... pretty broken English Anon, but I do concur with you.
Lol hay guys
If the Xbox version was sold as exclusive and wasn't even complete this is fraud. Returning the game for a full refund is the least owners should do.
I wish the game producer a big kick in the ass both on finances and reputation.
oh no, I have one, but trolling some loser like you to lie about his pathetic life is much more fun
WHere's the US version of ps3 vesperia???
Lolololol
What about PS3's "Exclusive" Cross Edge being ported to xbox with extra features?
Go have a cry xbox fanboys..
What a bunch of selfish people. At least they got this game 7 months earlier. I hope that this version gets localized.
Don't blame Bamco, blame M$.
Boohoohooo cry me a river xbots. rofl
So much hate here.
Estelle is so right...
calling the "complete" game a beta just means that you have no respect for the game whatsoever and geez who didn't see ToV getting ported to ps3? i mean really people. i don't know about you guys but i don't even think any Jrpg sold well at all on the Xbox in its lifetime.So how will the publishers get their investment back? well the answer was kinda obvious
omg i hope they don't apology to these pansy why should they they listen to people what original was on a ps1 PS2 if they cant take the heat then by a PS3 damn. if something happen to the PS3 version of it or any content lost to it i be piss off
ps3 was being screwed more than your 360, shut the hell up and stop being cryfaggots!!!
These 360 owners are such SORE LOSERS. Just play another game and shut the F360CK UP!!!
ID be fine with vesperia being on the PS3 as long as bandai namco puts all new content into a DL pach on xbox live and ofcors the pach shud be ether free or no mor then 800 pounts to make up for deseving us 360 owners
LOL this is perfect. All game companies should do this. Put the crapbox 420 in its place.
really I could care, i've been abused by my 360's so much i threw out the broken ones (5 outa 6 [purchashed over 3 years]) and sold the 6th one (which was RRoDing every other time I turned it on) and 13 games for 400 bucks.
Still got my 60 gig launch ps3, still no problems with it. Imo from my experience, the 360 is about as useful as a paper weight.
but nyway, 360 fan boys, go suck Bill Gate's **** to comfort yourselves, no one from namco gives a flying **** about your protests.
meanwhile, us ps3 owners and fans will be enjoying your free beta testing on our now bug-free games while we drink tea and laugh our asses off as you pass a kidney stone at for releasing improved games for the ps3 :P
Whoever's doing this petition are a bunch of hypocrites. Nobody had a problem when the PS3 was getting shafted out of DLC, lost FFXIII and especially Tekken 6 but when it comes to this, you're crying wolf?
Go cry me a fucking river.
Actually, I think the main complaint here doesn't infact come from Xbox 360 fanboys, but from mere Tales of fans who bough a 360 exclusively to play this game... and now they (I repeat, the Tales of fans) got technically shafted by NBGI.
As I said, a Xbox LIVE download is the only real, peaceful solution, but Japanese companies don't work that way... I'm actually more concerned about Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2's stuff.
Probably it was timed exclusive for the xbox. And now after (a year?) it can be released on PS3 too.
Also keep in mind, that a year of developent gives a lot of advancements in the game. Extra content (probably due to 25GB on single layer BD vs 7GB dual layer DVD on xbox), bug fixes, more balanced gameplay features...
Yes you can fix bugs by releasing updates/patches (they should do that for the xbox version), but maybe the extra content was not in the timed exclusive contract for the xbox release?
Xbox fans should not complain. They got the game a year ago, and all the extras for the PS3 are due to the extra year of developent.
The guy who wrote this petition doesn't have to worry about that anymore:
"From now on, the porting of titles like Tales of Symphonia and Tales of Vesperia should be abolished."
Namco Bandai already said that the Mothership Tales of-Games will ONLY be on Wii from now on, so...
OK i render 99% of comments here useless with this one post:
It's a japanese survey, set up by japanese 360 owners. Since MS are concentrating on the Otaku market in Japan (see Idolmaster, dream c, Strike witches and a fucking lot of JRPGs), these Otakus are the driving force.
And now the truth, why Sonyfans should calm down:
YOU WONDER WHY OTAKUS ARE BUTTHURT?
OTAKU - BUTTHURT - OTAKU - BUTTHURT. You get it ? It's their number 1 attribute regarding EVERYTHING.
Damn those petitioners...Why so serious about Vesperia being launched in PS3 ? It's not your lucky day, just that ! Do you know that XBOX have a lot of good games rather than PS3 ? Why bothering all these fuss over Vesperia ?
Don't worry guys, the PS3 is a blu-ray player that also plays games. People are buying the slim but these guys don't even play their own exclusives, that's why with 24 million base their games sales are limp much like their god Sony's dicks.
how about they stfu and buy a ps3
Nothing good has come out of the Xbox, so why fight it. And no, being popular doesn't make it good.
X360 people complaining about unfairness with multiplat games?
Think about all that DLC that you got that other systems didn't. How did you feel about that?
Sadly this petition will probably come to naught...
F*K XBOX, F*K PS3, and F*K WII! and lastly F*K TALES OF gayseria!!
Cry Moar xbox fanboys.
What are they talking about fair? C'mon. If it's released together on the same date, i can understand.
But it's already been a year of release. They need a reason to get PS3 owners or existing players that had played this game to buy this version.
Since most people will had bought the 360 version (or a 360) if they wanna play this game, they need to do something to make more people buy the PS3 version, and what's that? Add more stuffs ^^
Like, serious overreaction... remakes are always better, DEAL WITH IT, also reading ht eabove demands, is like reading the backlog of a child's temper tantrum... ugh...
"Certain platforms should not be favoured over others."
Yeah tell that to Valve.
All games should be open source and run on Linux.
PS3, Xbox, Wii, consoles are just fancy DRM shit.
Companies make business of this whole "which form of DRM should I make my game run on" which essentially comes down to the most popular form of DRM, unless the DRM manufacturer pays for exclusives.
Stupid DRM fanboys trying to alleviate their guilt in having been suckered in purchasing DRM.
That said, Tales is a shit franchise, even if it were to run DRM-free on linux I would still not bother to download it.
Instead of whining and spewing dumb shit about not releasing the game on PS3 or removing the extras, they should be asking NBGI to make all that stuff available through Xbox LIVE as a "game patch" or something of the sort.
Oh, and it's still Japanese only, so the PS3 version still is a moot point for ~99.999% of the gaijins visiting this website since JRPGs aren't import-friendly (unlike, say, the awesome Xbox 360 console-exclusive Cave STGs and some other stuff already released stateside, like Senko no Ronde). :D
Question, i have both systems, and are PS3 owners complaining yet about how FF13 is being downgraded because of the 360? I played Tales on the 360 and im goin to buy it for the ps3, its just a game, grow up 360 owners :\
Where did anyone say that FFXIII is going to be downgraded because of the Xbox 360 port? It's important for you to know that the original game, the original code, has been developed for a long time with only the PS3 in mind, so the 360 port has nothing to do with the PS3 release's actual quality... oh, and besides the PS3 is technically slighly inferior to the 360, just FYI.
Come on, 360 has enjoyed more exclusives than PS3 from day one, Dead of Alive, Dead Rising, and even multi-platform games have more DLCs like Fallout3 and GTA4. If a game is re-released 2yrs later, it should be updated/upgraded with more content, like RE4 went to Wii, I bought it too and has never replayed my PS2 version ever since, the Wii version is just better. And not like all 360 owners are still playing this game daily, bet most are just sitting on the desk collecting dust now.
I guess I should feel the same way about FF XIII going to the 360? Nothing *has* to be an exclusive. I have Tales of Vesperia for my 360.... it's a complete game. Get those panties out of a bunch and enjoy what you have.
for god shakes man. It a damm game. Even I am a XBOX 360 fan. So what is going to PS3. But to make things fair. Why make it DLC for XBOX 360 version. For a prices. And PS3 version comes with it. Then both side will be happy as nune when she meets god. And I also think. If goes to more gamers out there. It only gives power to developer to reach new highs.
What they never mention are the games that were originally exclusive for PS3 and then got bought by MS.
even as a 360 fag the self destructing would be hysterical
Cool console wars, bro. You're really making both sides of the argument look really good here.
As far as I'm concerned, I'm just glad that everyone's getting a chance to play Vesperia. Isn't that all that really matters?
you'd think that wouldn't you? i cant see why everyone's getting their undercrackers in a twist over this, sure they said it was a 360 exclusive but the same thing was said about more than a few ps3 games that are now on 360.
i am confused about one thing though, these petitioners are quite obviously passionate about what console they choose to play on, so why arent they playing newer games that they haven't had ample time to finish instead of throwing up futile petitions.
just a thought
This games isn't going to sale....... Tales of Graces looks 40x's better.
You mean the Wii-exclusive installment?
I recommend you go pay a visit to your nearest ophthalmologist, dude.
how comes xbox fans or the most foolish out of all the fan boys. There tripping over the ps3 game getting what maybe a hour of extra content. But when both gta4 expansion came out all they did was talk shit though i haven't heard sony fans getting this pissed over new content. so why are the xbox fans so pissed i mean u beat the game already a i know a lot have if not the game must suck if know one has beat it yet. o and dont forget xbox fans you owe us i mean you got them to fuck up final fantasy 13 and metal gear raiden. just so you could play. everyone knows that multiplatform games don't do as good as single platform. seeing how they cant go the full potential.
PS3 fans got outrageously pissed at NBGI developing Ace Combat 6 exclusively for Xbox 360, mind you...
Who cares if its Japan only? There will be fansubs for the cutscenes and a translation walkthrough in like a month after this is released, guaranteed. No real Tales of fan is going to let the language barrier stop him from playing this game.
Not that there are many of those outside Japan, anyways...
stop complayning x-bots. 80% of games on ps3 have been suffering this shit for 2 years
Wow...
Many customers of the 360 are really idiot for doing this.
Seriously, they have the game 1 year before us and they cry for some add-ons ?
What a pathetic story ...
it's like selling a car, you sell the budget model to the college student. You sell the model with all the bells and whistles to the exec who can afford it.
Just port the ps3 version on to the 360 and call it 'Tales of Vesperia +Plus' or somthing... problem solved
This would be the best idea, sales-wise. Just wait a few months and let some of the people give up and buy the PS3 version, and then announce a new 360 version. You'd literally get everyone buying the game twice.
Or maybe you dipshits should stop playing this shitty JRPGs and play real games instead.
Like Halo? Fuck off retard.
Well, I agree with him.. JRPGs are getting horrible nowadays, it's always the same shit, seriously..
Look at Fable2 and Fallout 3.. they're more innovative than a lot of JRPGs in the market..
The only one that I have high hopes is FFXIII..
Oh, so tell me, how in the bloody hell can you control simultaneoulsy more than 1 character in a real-time action RPG? In that case, I'm afraid to say that your brain isn't malnourished, but rather "broken", my friend. Shouldnt you get a check-up at Arkham Asylum already?
Well, It's MY opnion, of course they're pretty much different.. Also, we're discussing in SC, so it's obvious that most people here prefers JRPGs..
My point is.. It seems like all JRPGs have the same setup.. Get party members, kill some sub bosses, cliche tragedy scene, kill the final boss and save the world.. Of course you can say i'm being biased but that's prety much in 90% of JRPGs and it's something that no one can deny..
Oh yeah? Just because you don't have the brain to control your characters in a real-time action and instead relying on a buncha turn-based commands to have time for your malnourished brain to think, that doesn't mean others will be brain-less like you.
BTW, Fable & Fallout 3 are just mediocre, especially Fallout 3, never get why it fucking got the "RPG of the year" prize... And sorry to say this but most RPG(s) are from the Japs, so of course you will find those lame WRPG(s) "innovative" cuz there's not a buch of 'em out there.
Fable 2 (not better than the predeccessor and this one was only mediocre at best) and Falllout 3 (Oblivion with guns, no remindable characters, no story, shitty ending) aren't really good games btw Gothic 1 + 2, Baldurs Gate 1 + 2, Planescape Torment or Fallout 1 + 2 are far better than this games
or maybe your malnourished brain can't think enough to control more than 1 character at a time with simplified controls designed to cater purely to focus around singular gameplay concepts of shooting things. strategy for multiple characters tends to require far more thinking than twitch shooting.
and no, they weren't innovative, and no they weren't the best wrpgs have to offer, except to this annoying new breed of 360 wrpg fanboys that have never played the wrpg series (that have been around for longer than jrpgs HAVE BLOODY EXISTED) that were the origins of the stuff you are just now experiencing.
As a gamer who loves all game genre's I feel I'm qualified to say, "Screw You. Judge a game on the game not the genre."
Besides, in 10 years people are gonna forget about halo and Gears (which I do love), but they'll still be releasing final fantasy and probably Tales games
Ha..."Characters and the Tales universe should not be toyed with any more than necessary.
Certain platforms should not be favoured over others."
Xbox owners are forgetting GTA IV and how PS3 owners got a massive slap in tha face as PS3 will never see the new DLC for it...and they moan about Vesperia?..
To be fair, it was announced a long time in advance that the 360 version of GTAIV would have DLC and the PS3 wouldn't. These changes to ToV didn't appear for months after the 360's release. People didn't even know the PS3 version would exist at the launch date, let alone the improvements.
Yeah! We sure didn't! Because we all know Sonyfans never whine! Those things you see all over the internet? Lies. All of it lies.
360 pussy's damn they need 2 accept it that the ps3 gets new content. We didn't wine about the GTA 4 DLC for the 360 or Virtua Fighter 5 got on-line.
Yeah, I agree. They are acting like it has never happened to the PS3 before.
Virtua Fighter 5 is a prime example as you mentioned and GTAIV.
XBOX360 fans need to understand that these types of games have always been on Playstation Consoles.
All I can say about this crap ass Petition is sucked in 360 owners,
the JRPG's are returning to there rightful home, bigger and better than ever.
PLAYSTATION3
This "we didn't whine when..." is getting annoying.
YES YOU DID.
Any time there is a difference in content for multiplatform games, there is whining. PS3 fans did it for GTA, they did it for Fallout, etc.
I'm taking sides, this goes for Xbox as well. It's ridiculous for any PS360 fanboys to say "we didn't whine" when they constantly whine all of the fucking time.
*not taking sides