Full Metal Alchemist Ratings Collapse
- Categories: Anime, News
- Date: Sep 1, 2009 18:27 JST
- Tags: Full Metal Alchemist, Production Controversy, Remakes, TBS, TV
Mustachio anime Full Metal Alchemist’s remake has attracted much unwelcome attention with the release of TV ratings which show a collapse in ratings, especially compared to the much loved but totally divergent original:
The original maintained an average of 6% throughout its 50 episodes. The remake on the other hand manages an average of a mere 3.3%, and falling fast, less than half way through.
There are rumours of the show being moved to a more favourable timeslot, not that there is any real indication that this would rescue it…
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Poor rating has nothing to do with the story but more with the time slot. Code Geass R2 flopped. Gundam 00 S2 also flopped. Sunday 5pm slot is just not good for anime. There is just much more other things to do outdoors at that time slot than stay home and watch anime. I am not sure why TBS think it would work in the first place. Switch it back to midnight and the ratings should rise again. I followed the manga very closely. And I actually thought the first show was brilliant the way it deviates from the manga(except that they killed Scar...). The second show has a lot more going on but sometimes I find the humors take away the seriousness of the show. Other than that I like how they stay true to the manga plot so far. And they got Miyano Mamoru to voice Ling Yao. I just hope the ending won't disappoint.
gundam s2 and code geass r2 didn't flop due to the timeslot. their plots sucked because the producers were too money-minded and just wanted to make more model kits.
code geass 1 was epic. the first few episodes of r2 was good, and then it flopped.
gundam 00 started of epic, then became decent and started failing the moment the 3 new gundams were introduced.
gundam s2 and code geass r2 didn't flop due to the timeslot. their plots sucked because the producers were too money-minded and just wanted to make more model kits.
code geass 1 was epic. the first few episodes of r2 was good, and then it flopped.
gundam 00 started off epic, then became decent and started failing the moment the 3 new gundams were introduced.
This is actually good news! When ratings slip, studios find new ways to cram in fan service. Now they have a chance to make up for the lousy job they did with Lust.
first few episodes were extremly similar but has changed and is much better. i seen the first one as well. it is almost entirley different and better plot as well
wait for it, guis. this is gonna be worth it in the long wrong. fans of the manga at attention!
I liek this one much more, its stays true to the manga and i just think its much better than the other anime.
I just hope this won't reduce the number of episodes planned, at least it has results which can be compared to other popular animes.
This version is soo much better than the first series, the plot in the manga is much more interesting, well developed and more original, while in the first series there were several moments that I may say that I hate ( like equivalent trade is completely false and the energy come from another dimension ).
I won't say those who prefer the first series are stupid but I just can't understand them, maybe once they see all the episodes from this series or the manga they may change their idea.
I don't get it. Hagaren did very well and this new one is just as good if not better and it has poor ratings? It must be the timeslot.
And to those bitching about the first dozen episodes being similar:
I guess none of you should bother watching the vastly superior Hellsing Ultimate since the first few episodes of the old TV series are so similar to the first couple of OVAs.
...you people make me sick.
The original FMA had moments of pure awesome (mostly the shocker moments where somethign goes horribly wrong for the sake or irony), but the majority of the series was dull and repetitive at its best and unwatchable shit at its worst. I got through the entirety of the series, somehow, but I could never stomach the repeats, especially after having seen the shocker moments once before and knowing they are coming. The idea of doing it all again with subtle variations is my idea of torture, and even if the series goes a different direction at the tail end, that will be as uninteresting as the rest of the series and the series it was remade from.
Jasper yet again:
It's already veered off very, VERY differently from the first anime and there's not a lick of similarity between the two at even the halfway point.
Look at it this way: The first series was boring, meaninglessly angsty schlock disguised in the trappings of the Dramatic genre. The second series is a no-holds-barred adventure where the stakes get high and the action with it, mixed in with a bit of politics and espionage for the State Military side of the story.
In the first series, nothing really happens and everything returns to a rather drab status quo. Most of those "shockers" either came from the manga or were pulled out of thin air due to a lack of ideas on the writers' part. In the second series, the heroes secretly organize a rebellion to overthrow the corrupt State government and fight to save the entire nation-state of Amestris from a fate worse than death (much worse, in fact). The shocker? Unlike the first anime, they actually make it happen. And the Rebellion Arc is hands down the most badass story the entire FMA franchise has ever told.
"Subtle variations" my ass, this what Fullmetal Alchemist is supposed to be.
A super deformed kiddy show with unfunny comedic moments, shit pacing, and less interesting story structure? Yeah that's right
Jasper again:
Well the comedic timing in the manga's spot on, and all I can say is that Bones ought to polish up on that.
The first series also had shit pacing with a second half that bored people to tears while simultaneously reducing the entire plot and all potential character development to irrelevance.
If having a "less interesting story structure" means having a more interesting actual story then so be it. There's nothing wrong with being straightfoward in one's storytelling if the alternative is meaningless emo-babble.
This is very disappointing, this one is not perfect but it's still a thousand times better than the first, cracktastic one. I hope the ratings are enough to avoid getting cancelled, but even if they cut it short, the manga sells really well and it's fucking awesome and that's more than enough to make me happy.
The remake is good.
It's just that everybody is stupid not to watch it.You just need to know which episode to start watching from.
It's clear that everybody who said they like the 1st better are morons who have never compared the first series with the original source material.I have and the original is way better.Ignorance is not an excuse for FAIL.
Because it's more true to the manga, it doesn't mean it's actually better.
Manga and anime are two seperate things, I guess the director of the first series realized this more then this one.
Wait till we hit the 40s or late 30s in the episode count and I can almost gurantee alot of people complaing are going to be shutting up.
So everyone who liked the first seies better is an idiot for not liking Brotherhood? Kid how old are you? Last time I checked people have different tastes in mind and ALOT was juts put off by ALOT of aspects in Brotherhood.
FMA was probably the only time I ever fell asleep reading a manga. Of course, it doesn't fall into my particular vein of interest (see shounen action), and I was coerced into reading it by a preternaturally meddlesome friend.
I'm enjoying it, on episode 21 already. I loved the 1st one and im not at all bored with the second one. Geat show IMO
narrow headed people -_-
appreciate it, its the original.
Narrowheaded person,
appreciate the first series, it was better.
Better than this anime, maybe. Better than the manga? no fucking way.
In the last few episodes Brotherhood became better than the old one. Japanese viewers are idiots.
Gotta keep up with the series before judging it.
Brotherhood follows the manga much more closely than the first series.
That means that the story is much different.
It's tiresome seeing people view the last one as the original. Because it is NOT. The manga IS the original and it aint the same story too. (Again with the same explanation. Ugh)
And if the story's so predictable, then I dare someone who hasn't read the manga to tell me who the main villain really is and what he's planning.
If you get it wrong
You=EPIC FAIL.
I wonder why the ratings are so poor? The remake is really good, and i really enjoy it than the previous one.
At least they didn't drag the story this time round, the anime is moving at a really fast phase!
its the same shit like endless eight.
the same story all over again.
and its inferior to the original one.
This is the original one.
Imo it really gets better when it starts to run on it's own, storywise and animation wise but that doesn't happen till around episode 13+
There's a reason the first Opening song is called Again.
Kid friendly involves cute ishvalan little girls getting shot in the head and baddass characters get cut in half.
Kid friendly and sunshiney happy, huh?
Riiiiiight.
Manga>Brotherhood>FMA1.
BELIEVE IT.
ja i dont know how you have those grafic, but i think taht its flase because FMa shintetsu is the best anime of the world... stupids!!
If you've read the manga, you know what to expect storywise.
i mean the character Mei, she just pops up, no explanation on how she got there, or Yoki. They just both APPEARED in the story and the show expects the audience to know that.
Awesome fight scenes like Lan Fan fighting Envy and kicking his ass was left out
now i know the flashback episodes were left out cause as fans we should know what happened, but they put a couple in anyway, but it just seems more of another mess of an anime than a remake, thought it does follow the manga more closely than the first series
But the first series had a charm to it and a very deep and emotional plot. In the new series, we don't feel that cause we KNOW WHAT HAPPENS.
Every scene is like the reboot trying to tell the fan "Hey remember this in the manga?!"
the new anime is actually very good and the story line is just as good as the original but i just dont like the drawings it ruins the show drastically, it makes it too kid friendly and such
Shit series from the start glad people realize it by now.
Well it's shounen, what did you expect?
what are you guys talking about? it has been different than the first series since like episode 10. you guys are crazy. it has been great.
"what are you guys talking about? it has been different than the first series since like episode 10. you guys are crazy. it has been great."
You have NO memory !
Overall, the hearing on Gundam 00 tb was not good ... as compared to the Gundam Seed for example was much lower than expected (Even Sunrise investing more in Gundam 00). Of G00 was just a little more about the Code Geass that tb had poor ratings (but incredible sales of DVD / BD), what happens in reality is that this time it came on TBS is suffering from falls ... But in fact the same as valley is the sales of DVD / BD, where Otakus will buy their favorite animals to stay in the collection (and incredibly some buy more than 1 copy oyarzunsergio).
They just need to put out an ad that says there's new content with the latest episodes or something.
No geral, a audiência de Gundam 00 tb não foi boa… se comparar com a de Gundam Seed por exemplo ficou muito abaixo do esperado (Mesmo a Sunrise investindo mais em Gundam 00). De G00 foi apenas um pouco melhor da de Code Geass que tb tinha audiência baixa (mas vendas incríveis de DVD/BD), o que acontece na real é que nesse horário na TBS veio mesmo é sofrendo de quedas… Mas na verdade mesmo o que vale é as vendas de DVD/BD, onde os Otakus vão comprar os seus animes preferidos para ficar na coleção (E inacreditavelmente alguns compram mais de 1 cópia o_Ox).
Actually, the episodes after Greed's death are completely different. It's a new story for me..and its really good.
I think the new one is better, try watching it around greed's death..its different. It's not just a remake, it has a new storyline.
the viewers probably got tired of the first few episodes because its pretty much the same as the old one.
Is only natural, this shit is just a complete REPRISE !
False statement, nothing to see here folks.
waitwhat,, brotherhood is awsome compared to the old one!
It IS new, after episode 12
btw, nice pic!
Was it promotion poster of starting the new season?
I blame the torrent!!
the first series did have that "what the fuck" ending...
Funny, I've been enjoying the show more as it goes on.
But what was with the spike on episode 9?
Maybe something like:
"Did you hear? There is a new FMA anime come one let's watch it tonight"
After episode 9 it went like this:
"New FMA? MEH?"
the left figure is percentage, the below is number of episodes......??
Not enough Schezka, that's why! >:0
But yea, i actually like FMAB better, it's more interesting, less emo and the storyline makes more sense.. The only stuffs that i have to say nicely done in the first one were the Chimera episode and Hugh's incident.
Everyone's already said it but it's due to people expecting a whole new experience, and then being treated to the same content for around 12 eps. Going on the ratings, alot of people gave up before the new material even started.
Also, the ratings aren't exactly terrible since the likes of Naruto Shippuden and Bleach hover around 3-4%.
Move the series to a better time slot and start a big commercial push for the new content and I'm sure people will return.
Brotherhood is better than the first series(I don't consider it to be the 'original' since it's just an animation studio remake of the manga, they rarely turn out well). I was wholly unimpressed with the first series, except for the fight scene between Ed and Greed, that was fun to watch.
In terms of story and animation; yes.
In terms of seiyuu I say nigh impossible to reach the epicness of the first series.
The recap episodes I hated, felt like they were going too quick and the whole chibi shit was annoying.
Then the new material came and it felt it got serious. Now it's awesome, I don't see what there is to complain about.
The pacing of the recap episodes was way too fast. They were trying too hard to get to the new stuff, not that I can really blame them for it. But they did reduce the meaning of Hughes death because most of the things he helped Ed and Al on were completely removed altogether.
Overall though, the new material way surpasses the first series.
THIS. I forgot why I liked Hughes.
2nded
3rded
The story is finally catching on, but I still don't like the chibi stuff. Didn't read the manga but indeed, the stuff going on is sooo predictable.
The original series had some very chilling moments, but in the new series they all look shallow. And it's not because we know what's going to happen, because I still enjoy watching the first series without getting bored... Ok the movie sucks a bit.
eg. Lust was more interesting with the backstory she got from the first series, now she's just a villain (a very cute one, but still...)
4th'd
Lower ratings => lower budget => lower quality => less happiness => even lower ratings => even lower budget => ... => cancellation
paradox of not watching anime
more like, "paradox of film production?"
Maybe because a lot of people already know what's going to happen? It is faithful to the manga so far (for the most part)
-imhgtsukishiro(http://n3grp.multiply.com)
I don't think that's the main reason since many anime also taken from ongoing/finished manga and still attracts people though they know what'll happen eventually (assuming the anime is faithful to the manga)
I like it because it follows closely to the manga. They miss a lot of the good stuff out though.
Whats wrong with the series, although I don't watch my friends are generally pleased with it.
Same here. I don't really see what's wrong with it. The pace and all that seems fine. Animation is not bad as well.
The problem is what previous posters already said: There has been lots of stuff that we have already seen from the previous series.
So this made many people to stop watching it after a few episodes, hence the decline on the ratings.
Nopw, the only way for the ratings to come back up, would be to have a great word of mouth going on to make people interested again. I don't know what's the current timeslot it is in, but it might actually help being in a more friendly timeslot, as far as it doesn't make them censure some episodes.
Aww, and here I thought the new season was gonna be good. Humanity fails again, thanks for getting my hopes up...
If these fags who don't like it because it actually stays true to the manga end up getting it canceled, there will be blood.
I will help you.
the problem is, it isn't really a new season (as it is a remake anyway) since most of the story arc were identical (feels like watching endless eight in FMA version). Thus most people who already watch the first anime will feel bored (me for example)....
moreover, I personally believe the old seiyuu for Mustang is better than this one....but that's my personal taste though...
When are they getting to the divergent episodes?
Since over six episodes ago (15). although there are some major plot differences in all episodes nearly. Much less filler.
I agree, the old seiyuu is much better.
This gives me a mild sigh of relief. Hopefully all the Emo-Hot Topic kids won't get an English version of this show after all?
I really don't want a resurgence of this series to hit the USA.
Its actually free on the funimation site.
http://www4.funimation.com/video/?page=show&b=280 [http://www4.funimation.com/video/?page=show&b=280]
Better than paying for it on Xboxlive.
There's only one problem with that.
The 360 Marketplace has, for some time, been releasing subtitled episodes of the series (I myself have become quite addicted), and they're already on the 19th or so episode. I haven't checked lately.
While we don't necessarily have to worry about it while it's at this stage, the sheer fact that there IS an English dub and that it IS available for purchase as such would indicate that an English transition is probably not far off.
While i feel what you say, i wouldnt mind it, as the vampires-hot topic thing is getting old.
YOUR MOMMA IS ENDLESS8
He's right. She only lasted about an hour. Hardly "endless". :/
u cant prove it
just wait till it diverges just like endless eight
The new season is a shit!!!
same, they just repeat the whole story... make more money out of 1 idea = sucks.
The original series was made when the manga wasn't very far in the works, so the story was rewritten to have an ending.
This version follows the manga, shortening as much as possible the parts that are similar to the first version, and now going into full swing with the manga plot.
Both I and my girlfriend are enjoying the show, our favorite so far this season.
This is a remake but will follow the manga i think
SO it will not be the same as the 1st season
You guys are idiots, it is not the same as the first one o_O... and yes humanity fails again.
-100 Human vs +100 points for FMA: Brotherhood
Yeah, I'll admit that the first 13 episodes were similiar to the first 13 episodes to the old fullmetal alchemist, but they were clearly different from the original for I have watched the original show on DVD multiple of times.
Reason I think people are pissed off, because alot of 'those' people don't like reading the manga or they don't like reading manga period.
And yeah I know they skipped quite a few stuff from the manga, but they had no choice to do it that way and hoping that people can understand why they had to rush the first 13 episodes which I thought was a good choice on their part to do so.
For those that decided to stop watching it, you've missed some really good episodes of 18-20. If you haven't read the manga.
I don't know, maybe it is the economy that's making these people feel like show is shit, but I don't think it's shit seriously. It's no wonder that good in depth shows always gets axed because people have short attention spans and again humanity fails and goes the way of the dinosaurs.
just what the anon above me says, watch it past ep14 before you open your mouth and rage
yeah totally not same as season1
ur can watch ep 21 fma and ep21fma brotherh00d
the difference is far like shit!
i have watch fma but i still enjoy fma brotherhood! ^^
And i was hoping for a better story development on this one... *sigh*
It's already gotten to new material over a month ago, so most complaints come from people who didn't like the first "recap" arc.
Judging by the length of the material and the prospective episode count, over three-quarters of the series will cover material from the original manga that the first series didn't.
Therefore the ratings problem would be a case of a poor first impression.
This is sad because the second half of the first series, compared to the manga, was utter shit.
Well, let's just say that they created a whole new villain just for the sake of the first season of the anime. And they stripped a main character of the manga from 3/4th of his reason to be in the story.
the difference is quite huge.... the difference becomes apparent after greed dies, not in the hands of the hero but of the enemy from there the story is way different, also the presentation of the story... the presentation of the story is better in the old one be it a different story altogether...
I'm just wondering...how far is the difference between the first anime and manga actually? I only watch the first and a bit of the second but didn't read the manga...If the difference gap was too huge, people who already watch the first will be confused and then lost interest to the series (due to their ignorance that the second is actually the "right" story)
... if you want to know how different the two arcs are, just pick up the manga. You'll note that the only common things end at the death of Greed. Probably the end of the original manga series will be "agreeably similar" to the reformulated anime, since the connection to the movie woud make sense.
Yes, after the 'death' of Greed, the story in manga format is 100% different from the 2003 Anime. I like both, but in my opinion, its almost a stretch to name both Full Metal Alchemist, as the difference in story is like night and day.