Japanese Men Spurn “Carnivorous” Women, Hunt Virgins
- Categories: Japan, News
- Date: Aug 6, 2009 03:59 JST
- Tags: Dating, Feminism, Marriage, Otaku, Relationships, Statistics, Virginity
A survey of Japanese men reveals that most spurn sexually assertive women, with many thought instead to hanker after the mythical innocent and passive Japanese maidens of legend.
The survey, conducted by a marriage consultation agency, asked what men thought of “carnivorous” women, women who are prepared to take an active role in finding sexual partners, as opposed to the “herbivorous” men the Japanese mass media increasingly frets about.
The number one response was “depressing” with 27%. Next was “I’d like to socialise with one” with 22%. However, a meagre 3% wanted to marry one, 9% thought them “lascivious” and a further 6% found them irritating.
A variety of other responses were registered, and in total 53% of respondents held negative opinions of such assertive women.
A man surveyed explains that men seek “virginal” women, rather than ones who think often of men: “However old she is, unfortunately men just want an innocent woman.”
Via Dokujo Tsushin.
It might be hoped that the half of men willing to tolerate assertive women are the ever more common and ever less assertive “herbivorous” men, but the evidence seems not to support this…
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Carnivorous women FTW!
Woot woot!
Also, I doubt that the "herbivore" men are the ones doing things like going nuts over Kannagi.
Otaku =/= girlyman.
2ch otaku can be some of the biggest misogynists around. And just look what they said about men in dresses!
For some reason, I kept misreading the title as "Japanese Men Spurn Cavernous Women, Hunt Virgins" @_@ I still see it now...
Ewwwww, virgins.
Assertive women are fine as long as they have self control and have class. I don't get why being a quite a pushover must instantly mean you're innocent and being assertive means you're a ho.
Men, be careful whom you try to date. Many "carnivores" can parade themselves as "herbivores."
you can generally tell just by listening to a females voice and/or looking into to her eyes whether she has been around or not..its a dead give away..
I don't see any problem on assertive women in fact I'm kind like it somehow.
And thats why many men never get any, lol
O.O Give'm to me then! Sheesh. AbsoLUTELY nothing wrong with a "Carnivorous" woman.
Everybody wants a Tsugumi(the other girl)
Wow, these were not the sort of answers I was expecting.
This is something new?
Newsflash: men have preferred virgins in nearly every culture since ever!
Due to how universal the idolization of female virginity is, it's not far fetched to assume the reason to be genetic.
Also, the "men go for virgins because they are unconfident" is utter bullshit invented by women to vilify men because they can't accept the truth.
I am aware that this can come across as a value-judgment towards non-virginal women, but it's not like that at all. I just think people need to see the facts here.
Be wild and have fun if you wish, but realize that if you're looking for a serious relationship, having "been around the block" is going to be considered a flaw by many men. Fingerpointing and claiming that "you just can't handle a real woman!" is just going to make a fool of yourself.
For every action there is a consequence, like it or not.
Evolutionarily, the men who sought out young mates tended to get more viable offspring.
Yes, the desire for virgins has a physiological basis.
Check out the neurochemistry of oxytocin sometime.
I don't think that there is a preference for virgins when it comes to men desiring younger partners. Your reference was a little hard to understand as well. Women's fertility peaks at the age of twenty two declines after the age of thirty. A women most likely would not be a virgin by this time. Maybe it was different then, but I'm sure that virginity wasn't a major factor in primitive humans's decisions. It wasn't until religion came into the picture that people started worshiping hymens.
Slam Dunk of Truth(tm)!
I want a virgin. If I had a girl that was too sex hungry then I wouldn't have enough energy to fap to hentai.
If you where with a girl who was sex hungry you would'nt NEED hentai.
You underestimate the greatness of hentai!
That comment is why you're single. Do you see the pattern now?
I'm happy with the virgin i bought from the Philippines. after a couple months she has become more carnivorous yet i still see her as innocent.
The roles have changed,before men were the hunters preying after women.
Now women are the hunters preying after men. XD
Well that was me,posting up there.
I blame society,limiting and controling men too much,also the chemicals in the food.
True men are being lost.
They're being "lost" in place of having more true women.
Let them prey upon me all they want, for as hard as they try, only I will have the final say if I want to marry them!
And it will take a great deal of effort to impress me (which is why I'm ready to stay single if none of these women were my ideal type).
Dudes want romance too!
Assertiveness does not rule out romance.
Romance is dead. Didn't you get the memo?
Nope. Couldn't read it with all the bloodstains on the memo.
japanese men being more in touch with their feminit side?
I'll take your assertive women.
Don't diss the 'herbivores'. Some herbivores are nastier than carnivores. For example, the hippotamus (known for chasing and mauling humans into a bloody mess), the rhinoceros (also known to maul people), the elephants (maul and trample), the bulls (more mauling) and the horses (and their bone-breaking kicks!).
Uh, we're talking about men/women in a "figurative" light, amirite?
I think they were just trying to make a point: sometimes herbivores make the carnivores look tame.
Hmm nearly all anime girls are assertive due to useless male lead. It may not be popular with general men but asertive women is definitely popular within Otakus.
I don't think the reason behind this thinking is "Men want virgins because they lack confidence." More like "A man wants a woman to belong to him and ONLY him."
A woman losing her virginity to you doesn't mean she belongs to you FFS.
i can think of 3 good reasons why us guys seek virgins
1. we dont like woman he give themselves up to every boyfriend she gets (sluts)
2. three words: sexually-transmitted-diseases!
3. morals, if we have them then our partner should also
that man who was surveyed was trying to virgins are a safer pick than non-virgins they cant compare you to your ex and they are less likely to cheat on you or carry an STD or worse
ah how lovely, in my country most girls are virgin, MOST of them..than that means a LOT of beautiful virgins here...well i am looking for japanese tough, but getting one of those beautiful virgin is fine too
the jap man, lacks balls, The giant Americans Took it away when we nuked them, twice. No guns in jap, no knives, and no agression. I hope china attempts to invade to force the jap males balls to drop once again...
know seriously i dont get it...in animes u rarely find a strong male lead sometimes...soo what its liek y'all putting down ur own standards..
Can't really blame those poor guys, they can be intimidating and look slutty if they go out trying to hunt only meat all the time.
If they're going to be like that they should at least take up athletics and MMA and become bisexuals to increase the appeal to compensate.
This begs the question. Lynch me all you want; but this is the question that has been oh so verily overdue.
"What the hell is it you f***ing women want?"
And as a follow up to just about any common or lame-ass answer.
"We already did that, and either you didn't answer, didn't give a damn, or rejected it/us."
Give it to us f***ing straight.
I've been paying much attention to (wo)mankind, and all I have to say is: CUT THE BULLSHIT!!! The world is miserable enough as it is anyway, and nobody's doing a damn thing to improve it in any way. For better or worse, nothing's going to improve; but it doesn't mean you have to be a complete bastard/bitch about it.
To get your way at the cost of another's own free will; it's almost 2010, and society hasn't changed one bit.
...Ah, screw it. I probably figured it out anyway. Oh, do I pity the world. :nods head in shame:
Hey, the world was shit at all times and will be. Do we need any improvement? I dont think its even possible to improve anything. It's a world where a man (woman or not) can do anything he/she pleases, and if you got hurt by someone, well it's just your fault. You shouldnt rely on society in the first place, all they tell you is bullshit. What do woman want? They want you to think they are gods, and you are trash. Dont let no woman screw you.
You've got to be kidding. You think women want to be thought of as gods, and men treated like trash? Fuck, do you pay attention to human society at all? What the hell do you call all of this brain dead patriarchy and insidious theme of misogyny placed all over the god damn planet?
You want to know why exactly you guys nary a clue as to the desires of women? That's because you created a fantabulous societal structure that produces mind boggling gender roles. The contradictions in these roles are enough to actually cause people, man or woman, to not know what they want, nor how to tell when they've got what they want. Seriously, you guys want sex, but you want non-sexed partners. Then you proceed to spew bull about how you want awesome sex and prostitutes. THEN you accuse your partner of being a cheater.
Jeez, you males must have the worst self-confidence and case of unfounded paranoia ever documented if you think you have to protect yourselves from the sex the created you. Oh, and to answer your elusive question: women want equality. And that'll happen when this whole "virgin morality" has become null and void.
tl;dr You're butthurt, I'm butthurt, the world is butthurt. And we're all butthurt because of our hurting butts. The End
Well put, Anonymous. As you can see in these comments that several people are misguided. Someday women and men won't be scorned for their actions, but that will probably never happen.
People, please listen to reason. It has to start somewhere.
Woman, shut the hell up. You honestly believe this is all one-sided? There is just as much misandry in this world as misogyny. You women put such ridiculous expectations on men as men do on women. So save your crap.
And no, men don't have the worst case of self-confidence and paranoia. Maybe you women do, but not us. And no, women didn't create us. BOTH men and women did. Funny how you don't like the idea of women being treated as gods, but then you spout crap like you created us out of thin air.
More Japanese ladies for us gaijin then.
Prepare to be used like a toy then dumped out like trash.
but she'll still say that us gaijin are way better than those japanese cowards
Wooh-fucking-hoo.
Kohaku said it best...
The only women in Japan who are virgins are those under 5 and very unattractive ones.
And even still they gotta run faster than their uncles.
you do knownyour just setting up for Icee don't ya.
As Madarame said, Saki would be moe if she was still a virgin
hellooooooooooooo!! earths calling!!!
WTH!! No wonder they are labeled as slowpokes u.u
not that i totally disagree but they were like, totally generalizing >.<
I like my women dominant.
It's hot...
Rawr~
I don't mind assertive women, but I think they might be prone to cheating, and I'd hate to be cheated on.
(un-assertive woman - your wife - approached by a pick-up artist):
Pickup Artist: "Hey, baby..."
Your Wife: "Ehhh?"
PA: "Check this out..." (gestures to new sports car parked at curb, gently ushers her in that direction)
YW: (politely) "Yes, that's a nice car."
PA: "Here." (opens passenger door) "Sit here and check out the feel of the genuine Corinithian leather seats."
YW: "Haaaa..." (slowly sits down into passenger seat)
PA: (closes passenger door, walks to driver's side and gets in) "Another great thing is the feel and sound of the engine." (drops car into neutral, starts engine, blips the gas pedal a couple times) "Like the sound of that?"
YW: "Un..."
PA: "There's nothing like the wild feel of the wind in your hair," (flips open soft-top) "and the feel of hitting the curves hard."
....
After a fast cruise up the old coast road, and some time spent in a love hotel in another city, your 'un-assertive' wife is dropped off where she was picked up, and with a bit of blush, watches the guy drive away ....
And who says assertive women can't be, well, assertive about their husbands, eh?
Personally, I like to marry a woman whom I can trust, with, well, everything. Money, faith, children, anything at all. Even more so if she is a capable woman whom I can consider my equal.
After all, it has been said that behind every great man is a great woman. And I would like to add that behind every great man and a great woman is a great family. And I like a woman whom I can create a great family with.
But knowing society nowadays, leave that ideal in the gutter because it isn't going to come true.
Don't give up, man. You never know when it'll happen. Just tell society to screw off, and maybe even help those women who need to learn to do the same.
Well, Mexico is not exactly the kind of place I could find a woman among the rougly 30% who is not prone to cheat, but I got your point...
This sucks, I just wanna have a nice and loyal girlfriend.
For some reason this just doesn't surprise me. Japan has been becoming more and more feminist, and judging by previous surveys the men just seem to be passive and non-aggressive compared to the women. Just look at the separate cars and groping issues, where the men are nearly always taken as guilty, regardless of evidence. The dynamic between men and women as a whole has been changing, in some cases to the complete reverse. Not just in Japan either. This is happening in the US too, sometimes to the extent of reverse discrimination. Of course this is all possibly mis-informed speculation on my part, considering I don't live in Japan.
Anyways, I personally agree with them. I have always been attracted to the naive/shy type of woman, hence the appeal of anime, which nearly always has a character of that archetype.
Highly industrialized nations have always been feminist. How else can they pull off the mass enslavement of legions of salarymen who have no say at all in the corporation nor in the home, and they give all their salary to their wives as is the custom. Seems like people have had a wrong impression of patriarchy in their minds all along.
The NEET phenomenon today is a form of courageousness, as young people (mainly men) say "fuck this shit" to the whole grade school-to-salaryman enslave system, and prefer to leech off society instead of slaving away for it.
Here's a thought: The modern era is the triumph of Gathering culture over Hunting culture. Industrialization has merely served to spread the female pasttime of gathering (i.e. shopping malls... every citizen a mere consumer, instead of a producer). The only remnants of Hunting culture exist only in videogames, that's why many guys find solace and retreat in it.
That's an interesting thought, one I hadn't heard before. Glad I live in the US where I can still own a gun and go hunting. It's amazing how the world has changed so much in such a small period as 100 years.
What made men dominant in the past is largely their general physical/muscular superiority and aggression. With the immense improvements in the comforts in life, and processed food from farms (in many industrialized nations), there is no longer such a need in the general populace for physical strength and hunting. With the new reliance on mental capability, women are equal to men.
Then there is always the factor of women believing they need to sometimes oppressively exert their equality, almost as revenge for male dominance many years ago. Sort of like the current "pro-black" movements, along with affirmative action, in the US today.
I would like to see some proof that either Japan or the US is heading in a bad direction because of feminism, instead of speculation.
You both made some interesting points. If only the rest of the Internet could engage in such a conversation.
On the contrary, what you're describing isn't feminism at all. The woman in these "salary-man" scenarios aren't given a choice to work or make their own money. If the man feels trapped, maybe they should discuss the issue and the woman should go and find a job and they should work towards a more egalitarian marriage instead. THAT is the main idea of feminism, that men and women should be of equal standing. NOT to enslave men in this "system". Yes, I agree it's unfair to expect the man to do all the bread-winning and the woman to stay at home and raise the children. BOTH ends of the gender spectrum are fucked up and as an industrialized society we should recognize that bending these rules and views are necessary to form a better understanding of ourselves and a healthier lifestyles.
It's not going to happen in the US because American men are all assholes (in a good way) and would never tolerate this kind of bs. Japanese males are just too weak to handle feminists.
True; the American men, as in the general population, don't tend to tolerate that crap. But sadly, that is not true of the government. Just look at Sonia Sotomayor - she herself claims that she'll make a better Judge because she is female and hispanic. Public schools are the same way. And have you ever heard of P-Town in Massachusetts?
Like this is going to stop me from being wild.
Raaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawr!
I think you are just perfect the way you are now.
i want a "virginal" women.
And I did wonder why the number of all those plastic sugery, releated to gaining virginity again, increased that much in Japan this year...
Virgin means someone hasn't had sex. Virginal girl means someone who won't exactly be great in bed. Have fun with that.
I, for one, will kick ass and be proud of being "carnivorous". You babies can't handle a woman, good luck with your girls.
Haha damn you go anon, you're a role model for all women.
Men don't want a woman who's been around town... Yeah that's new :-/
Yuria 100 Shiki implied something to this effect--the forwardness of sentient, man-hungry love doll Lucy (made in the US, natch) was outright offensive to the Japanese dudes around her (never mind that she was probably topless). Well, their loss!
Actually it's more like the "Yeah, baby, go, go, cowboy!" expression of hers that's a big turn-off.
I actually floated the idea of being pursued by assertive women versus being the pursuer, but women warned me that aggressive women may "have an agenda". Case in point some distant relative whose wife was more aggressive during the courtship and now that they're married she treats her husband like shit, so he always finds excuses to stay in hotels. He's filthy rich, btw.
Yeah i read that,hilarious story.
Also how she reffers to not being mosaiced XD
HAHAH Japanese men have become punks.
They have become girlie men.
You mean they look like those guy in FF7:AC or whatever ??? It can't be, Japan can't become a second Thailand, can it???
Japanese men are just afraid of assertive women, because they have never been assertive in their lives
Lol doesn't matter to me, I find them or they come find me.
Japanese men complain too much no wonder their women act the way they do.
What's the problem with a girl that wants to fuck? Those wacky japanese...
'What's the problem with a girl that wants to fuck?'
Genital warts. Herpes. Sometimes syph, chlamydia, gono, and HIV.
Also their personalities are usually repulsive.
If you want to associate STDs to a certain behavior, make it not wearing condoms instead of promiscuity.
A girl who has fucked 50 guys and always used protection is less likely to get infected than a girl who has fucked 2 guys au natural.
Also, no use being a goody-two-shoes if your man's a whore.
First of all, condoms do not protect against every STD. So, really, you shouldn't be trying to engage in casual sex in the first place outside of a partner you believe beyond the shadow of a doubt is clean and monogamous.
Second of all, you don't lower your standards on the basis of someone else not living up to yours. You basically turn into the very scum you despise. What's sad is that there are so many people like you who drop your emotional baggage unto innocent people's laps and then wonder why you see so many broken people who do not function within the scope of your ideals (wanting to deal with flesh and blood people at all, for one).
Condoms protect against every STD except for HPV, genital herpes, and genital sores. This is because these STDs may be transmitted through contact with infected regions.
That's because they never had a real virgin before. If they have had one, they wouldn't want to touch it with a 10-foot pole. One of those things that they don't get so they want it even more.
lol.... i could imagine that (i'm a girl and i think it good to be a little assertive nowadays)
Times are changing, women are becoming more assertive, though it adds variety into the wild :P
Japan is bass ackwards in the weirdest of ways.
OWNAGE!!!
Hahaha ^
Trolled.
I would take your opinion seriously, but you can't even use a slang word right, it's backasswards, as in back-ass-wards. If you can't use it, just type the normal word, nimwit. I'm not saying you're wrong, though, but to be honest I think you're pretty much wrong; it has nothing to do with the era-mentality of the Japanese.
PWND!
FUBAR'D
DONGCOPTER INTO MOUTH
Dongcopter? I appreciated that one.
You are absolutely correct - within the confines of your own dimwitted skull. If you have a hard time understanding that informal speech is amorphous, and that various iterations of the phrase "ass backwards" are now in common usage, maybe you should stop being such a flea-brained pedant. Also, you might want to do something about the fact that you're dumb enough to put contradictory clauses in the same sentence.
I'm not saying you're an idiot, though, but to be honest I think you're pretty much an idiot; it has nothing to do with how much of a waling egghead you are.
DQN'd!!!!!!!!!!
honestly that first guy was just pulling hairs over something un-important trying to look cool over the internet. I hate that : /.
FUCKING R-R-R-R-R-APED!!!
HEADSHOT!!
FATALITY!
*boom*
ULTRA! ULTRA! ULTRA! ULTRA!
D-D-D-D-DOUBLE KILL!!!
It seems to me that alot of these kinds of question depend on the wording. Although it's translated and I don't know the actual wording. If the feeling of the wording was more towards whore rather then some one willing to have sex with their partner. Then the outcome is obvious. Few men would like to setle down with a whore who will sleep around all the time and such.