Family Project ~Kazoku Keikaku~ “Fully Uncensored” Eroge

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    Comment by SnooSnoo
    10:59 21/07/2009 # ! Good (+0.6)

    "as fans love to play eroge in English"

    Somehow when translated into English the original feeling is lost so NO. "Fans" NEED it in English because they are too fucking lazy to learn Moonspeak. So much for being fans. Not HARDCORE enough.

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    Comment by Artefact
    11:19 21/07/2009 # ! Questionable

    Ludicrous elitism. By the same token 99% of anime fans are not "fans" at all, a ridiculous criterion if ever there were one.

    Comment by Anonymous

    Fully agree, I like anime and manga but I'm not good at learning languages and so I need to be more 'hardcore' f@#k off

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:37 21/07/2009 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    Misinformation and deceit. What's this nonsense about 1% or 100% uncensored? Its sounds as bad as it smells. Like that shop who sold me an "original" game title that later turned out to be a demo. When I went back he said it was an "Original Demo". Sure use obfuscation and equivocation but its still blatantly deceitful and your customers will remember.

    Glad I learnt Japanese so I won't have to put up with these fools.

    I recommend fans do the same. It applies to more then mere eroge. That fansub/R1 release you watch or that localised PS3 title, they could be lying through their teeth and you'll never know....

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    Comment by Artefact

    Even if you pirate the Japanese version, the games you are playing are still illegal "child pornography" in much of the world. No authorised translation is possible without these kinds of changes, so you are basically saying that no legal market for visual novels can exist outside Japan (which doesn't want domestic versions exported anyway).

    Comment by Anonymous
    04:58 24/07/2009 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Artefact, you're missing the point(s) here.

    1) Adding underwear didn't cross any legal line. JAST's censoring was elective, and while it's generally understandable for a business to err on the side of caution, porn isn't exactly an industry where excessive caution is rewarded.

    In other words, the game could've been released in a true uncensored form that just didn't specify the character's numerical age, and it would've involved minimal risk.

    2) You yourself concede (rather ahead of anyone else's comments, in fact...) that some of this censoring isn't even logical; that's more of a quality control issue than anything else. Is that not giving the customer a valid reason to choose another product?

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:09 24/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    damn it, I think the length of my post broke something, it's posting all crazy like... ignore this one, full post somewhere up there ^

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:53 21/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    You got me there. I wasn't that clear but yes, I'm saying that you should pick up the language and either buy/steal your eroge/anime/manga/etc from Japan.

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    Comment by GHS
    21:09 21/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    You must really hate communists, hahaha.

    Comment by Anonymous
    18:37 21/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Just buy it and play it from Japan if you want. It may not be sold outside Japan but if you relocate or import from various sources you'll still get your hands on it.

    I have never ever heard of anyone being charged for purchasing a Japanese game title when they don't reside there by Japan's legal system

    No political content here, move along Capitalists.

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    Comment by Miroku74
    06:23 22/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    That's his catchphrase. XD

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    Comment by Artefact

    Then get out of here you dirty communist.

    Comment by Anonymous
    22:30 21/07/2009 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    This is NOT an eroge anymore!!!

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    Comment by Anonymous
    10:46 21/07/2009 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    At which address may we contact JAST USA for some rage at them?

    Comment by ShibariComplex
    07:48 21/07/2009 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    wtf i hate when they charge stuff for a international release. i might have gotten this game but unless there is a patch, i will not buy it

    Comment by Anonymous
    06:53 23/07/2009 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    This wouldn't bother me at all if anyone had actually forced JAST's hand; you do what you gotta do. But in this case they clearly CHOSE to censor their game (adding underwear is censorship, it's not somehow magically distinct "editing"). As someone pointed out in response to Peter Payne's comment, there are plenty of loli releases in the US, so the "but you guys, we HADTA!" excuse is bullshit. The Supreme Court of the United States has weighed in on this, why isn't that good enough for JAST?

    It also doesn't help that I purchased a title from JAST that had the two youngest characters with mosaics intact (and this was well before the PROTECT Act, too). I emailed Peter Payne and basically got a response of "oh, that's weird, all our games are uncensored". Uh huh.

    Take note Mr. Payne: another potential customer who won't be purchasing any unnecessarily censored titles from your company.

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:08 21/07/2009 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    I wasn't going to play this game anyway but I hope that someone makes a patch for the people that did want to play it. It's unfair to the fans when this shit happens and just asking the fans to understand why they had to do this doesn't justify it. Pointless censorship takes away from the enjoyment of the game and I don't see how they expected fans to still want to buy it.

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    Comment by Artefact

    Except it isn't really pointless when it is all that allows the game to be marketed in many countries.

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:12 16/06/2016 # ! Neutral (0)

    No, there should be no reason to censor it just for that. People won't bother buying because of that you know. smh

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:50 21/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    It seems pretty pointless to me. I haven't played the game but it sounds like there aren't any sex scenes with her until the girl turns 18 so that means there's no child pornography in the game. I don't see anything wrong if she has nude scenes when she's still underage. I could be wrong but if she's just naked and not having sex then it isn't illegal.

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:02 21/07/2009 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    "She" is a drawing, so I doubt it could be illegal in ANY case...

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    Comment by Artefact

    In could be illegal in many places. And saying "it is art" is unlikely to wash when anyone can see much of the game is pornographic in intent.

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    Comment by ManaYagami
    09:57 21/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    So, all the other JAST titles with dubious aged flat-chested lolis (Sagara Family being the most obvious one) can't be marketed in those same countries even though they are sold all around the world through several JAST partners?

    If that was true, JAST would have to pull a Hot Coffee on all of those titles.

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    Comment by Icy-nee-san
    23:00 21/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    The eroge's power is already over 9000!

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    Comment by GHS
    21:14 21/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Family Project eh... Well, I've certainly heard some good things about it, but wonder if the art style is a bit too old for me.

    Comment by Anonymous
    21:30 21/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    What to you expect from people who crew up with the fake tits of Pamela Anderson.
    When they see anything smaller than that they think is underage and not sexy.

    Comment by Fonzer
    21:40 21/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    So why do they need to censor a game that is made for adults?(i mean adding panties and bra)

    Aren't adults allowed to see bewbs and cameltoes anymore?

    Or is this game allowed for people under the age of 18.

    I truly don't understand these needless stupid censor needs.
    When it comes to adult you should give them stuff fully uncensored

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    Comment by Shuu
    21:56 21/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    The issue here is that not even adults are allowed to view "child pornography".

    Comment by Fonzer
    22:20 21/07/2009 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    there is no child pornography in there,since it's drawn and fiction and all ages are over 18 though age doesn't exist here.

    Comment by Anonymous
    22:52 21/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Some people would be inclined to disagree with you. (not me, but I think we all know a few people who would)

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:14 16/06/2016 # ! Neutral (0)

    Fuck the over the age of 18 crap, no! Fans or consumers or what have you don't want a censored product at all

    Comment by Fonzer
    00:06 22/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    those people must get their thinking changed since they are wrong.And they support victimless crime and other strange things nobody needs,so they are the sickos.

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    Comment by Shuu
    23:39 21/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    That's why I put it in quotation marks.

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    Comment by fxc2
    18:12 21/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Fight the power! Be a man Peter! Do the right thing!!!

    Comment by Anonymous
    16:29 21/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    I could forgive being forced to censor by the evil bigots who hold so much sway over our police and criminal justice systems nowadays. Sometimes, you can't just beat them all by yourself.

    What I cannot forgive is the false advertising. There is no excuse for then going on to describe the product as 'uncensored', instead of disclosing the nature of the edits so that customers can make an informed decision.

    One thing the internet allows me to do with respect to media is to support only reputable companies.

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:20 22/07/2009 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    No, you shouldn't forgive them for censoring the scenes. The only ones that made the decision behind licensing the title, localizing it and censoring the CGs was JAST USA and JAST USA only. It was ultimately their choice to make it, and were never coerced by anyone.

    If you've bought it, I highly recommend you take advantage of the fact that refunds are being offered without question.

    Comment by Anonymous
    15:55 21/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    ... Am I the only one who plays these games for the story? :(

    Also, is Peter Payne the brother of Max Payne? :D

    Comment by NotAnonymous
    16:00 21/07/2009 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    I play them for the story too. However, lying to customers TWICE is unacceptable, and saying it's 'okay' to put small edits in KK can eventually lead to more edits. More images will start being edited; paths will start being altered; entire portions of games getting cut. Censorship is never okay.

    Comment by Simon Cowell of Eroge
    16:36 21/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Well depends. There are ヤリゲー out there that are all about the sex and CG. If you take those away, there is nothing left of the game. On the other end you have games like 家族計画 which is story-driven. The plot and the cast really shines in those games that the CG are essentially added bonus.

    Comment by ultraannon
    16:16 21/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    they censored the one that matters?

    Comment by NotAnonymous
    16:29 21/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Yeah. They had to screw up what could have been the breakthrough for eroge in English-speaking countries...

    Comment by Riiku
    19:33 21/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    "you eventually do see her breasts here, so there’s no excuse for this one"

    There's no point in sexual censorship at all. I had wathced porn since 8 years old.

    Comment by Riiku
    19:36 21/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    And I forgot to mention that included child pornography at it's best.

    Comment by kenjiharima
    03:09 22/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Well they said the characters needed to be 18. Sheesh...just cheat the age. Rules, FUCK THE RULES!!!

    But they do have a good alibi. "We're RUSHING the game."

    Comment by Anonymous
    13:54 03/08/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    So they don't wanna be attacked by insane govt activists, no problem here.

    Comment by Kayu
    13:42 07/08/2009 # ! Neutral (0) they add bras and shit to the smaller bodied one even after claiming all characters are 18 in order to appease the American prudes because an anime chick with small boob may just look a bit young. Fuck them. I have an a-cup and I don't appreciate the thought that just because they have small boobs then they must be underage.

    Comment by Anonymous
    15:13 24/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    My god, are you honestly bringing the bill of rights up in a discussion about a porn game? LOL!

    Comment by Anonymous
    15:11 24/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    The underwear thing kinda sucks. At least they could have gone without adding the bra.

    Comment by Enigma
    14:53 24/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Just wanted to point out, your statement, "Censorship is insidious and yes, it IS always wrong unless there’s a good reason for it." is a contradiction. It is either always wrong or wrong unless there is a good reason.

    Who is to determine what a good reason is? Mr. Payne made the decision because of the somewhat unique circumstances of the storyline of this particular game. Either 4 graphics get edited with minor changes to the script, or the story line is edited which can result in more work and more editing.

    It's Peter Payne's company. He is doing what he feels is best for his company. It's his call. If it comes down to making a tiny change to a game or risking potential backlash for what could be interpreted by the uninformed as a potential cartoon representation of child porn, he is going to do what is best for his company. I've been playing the game. The scenes are brief and relatively insignificant in the grand scheme of the game. As I said before, it is unfortunate that they had to do it, but unfortunate at most. If this article had never been posted or if you hadn't played the original Japanese version, you never would have known anyway.

    The point I was making with the film editing reference was more that, in most cases, you have no idea how much editing goes on before the product is finished. Just look at the deleted scenes, alternate endings, etc. in movies. You don't even know about them until they are included in a DVD or BluRay release.

    The harsh reality is that censorship occurs every day, everywhere. The waiter who takes a deep breath and says, "I'm sorry, sir. I'll fix it right away." to a customer who is complaining about an overcooked steak instead of "Tough shit! Eat it or starve!" is censoring themself. Censorship is a part of life. Censorship is a part of life. Without it, full disclosure applies to everything. Everyone knows everything about everyone and everything else. It's unrealistic.

    For those who say that they will no longer buy/download any of the games, we will see how long that lasts. The next time they come out with a game you want, you will buy/download it anyway.

    Bottom line, It's just a game. Some of the comments make it sound like some of you feel so strong that you think you should march on it and appeal it to the supreme court. Again, it's just a game.

    Comment by Anonymous
    15:09 24/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    "...don’t try to call it something else to slip it by people."

    You're making it sound like it's some big conspiracy to screw over the fans. Like Billy Club said, it's too bad that they had to do it, but apparently they had a reason that they felt was justified. It's their company so they can do what ever the hell they want. Yeah, they may offend some people, but losing the business of a small amount of people based on censoring one game vs. pleasing the vast majority who aren't really bothered that much by it probably isn't much of a concern in the grand scheme of the business.

    I've played several games from these guys and they have the occasional typos in the text, the one or two missed graphics that still have a mosaic, and I get a little disappointed but I accept that shit happens.

    On another note, that enemy power over 9000 thing was kinda dumb but, as they said, it was supposed to be an inside joke kind of thing and they just forgot to edit it out. No biggie.

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